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Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the tenth of July. I'm zara, i'm emma. On Monday

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Speaker 2: local time, Russia launched a missile attack on Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Earth shattering blasts during the morning rush hour.

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Speaker 2: Really distressing scenes coming from Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: This is being called the worst missile attack since the

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Speaker 2: At the time of recording, the Russian strikes have killed

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Speaker 2: at least thirty six civilians, with many more injured. The

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Speaker 2: Russia has denied targeting civilian infrastructure. In today's deep dive,

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Speaker 2: we're going to explain the latest in this year's long

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Speaker 1: The federal government has appointed lawyer Gillian Siegel as Australia's

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Speaker 1: Alberizi said Seagull's role is designed to help Jewish Australians

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Speaker 1: the Israel Hamas War began. Albanizi flagged the government would

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Speaker 1: also announce a special envoy for Islamophobia quote.

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Speaker 2: Shortly, a twenty one year old climate activist has been

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Speaker 2: This week, Laura Davey was convicted over her involvement in

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Speaker 2: In today's good News deforestation in Colombia has fallen to

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Speaker 2: Monday local time, Russian strikes in Ukraine killed at least

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Speaker 2: The missile strikes hit five cities in Ukraine. The strikes

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Speaker 1: Does that have more to do with kind of Russia's

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Speaker 1: So these missiles hit multiple Ukrainian cities, but a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that hospital in Kiev has been the focus

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Speaker 2: shortly after the attack, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski said, we

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Speaker 1: So some very strong language from Ukrainian officials, Zelenski strongly

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Speaker 2: So we had what I would call a fairly swift

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