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Speaker 1: Black cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledge that this always was Aboriginal

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail.

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Speaker 1: Hello you, mob, and thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: me for another deadly episode of the one and only

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Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast. We are on YouTube, so if

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased that you finally found me. There are so

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Speaker 1: many episodes you can go back to three years ago

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Speaker 1: when we first launched the Black Magic Woman Podcast, but anyways,

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Speaker 1: here we are right now on Beautiful war Jack Nungar

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Speaker 1: Country in Bulu, also known as Perth, Western Australia, is

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Speaker 1: literally on the other side of the country from where

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Speaker 1: I live in Queensland. On Kabbycabbe Country for people that

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Speaker 1: are joining us from all around the world. I just

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the Trish owners here. I want to acknowledge the

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Speaker 1: fact that I have been welcomed onto country and thank

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Speaker 1: Oral Maguire for spending the last two days with me

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Speaker 1: here on his beautiful country. It's so important, especially as

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Speaker 1: or positive relationships. So I thought I'd take the opportunity

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Speaker 1: and record some amazing Aboriginal Black Fellows, Nungas, all different

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Speaker 1: mob that are living here on Wadjack nong Our country.

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Speaker 1: So your in for an absolute treat. I've got a

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Speaker 1: people to hear you know obviously your.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into it, my sister, can you

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Speaker 1: please introduce yourself to my listeners and also viewers on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You know your name, your mob, and a little bit

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Speaker 1: about your family where you grew up. And I always

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Speaker 3: So over to you, kaya wan dju nija nunga, Hello,

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Speaker 3: and welcome to our country, sister girl. And it was

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Speaker 3: a blessing to meet you yesterday. My name is Lorraine

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Speaker 3: Pryor and I am a Wadjak Nounga York with ancestry

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Speaker 3: ties to Belladong on my grandmother's side and to Nada

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Speaker 3: Kala Buja on my grandmother's side. I am a mother,

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Speaker 3: I'm a grandmother.

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Speaker 2: How many grannies?

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Speaker 3: I got ten grannies and they aged from age from

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Speaker 2: One month?

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Speaker 3: Well congratulations, Yeah he was born on the first of January.

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Speaker 3: First baby born in the hospital in Fiona stan Lee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too, deadly, Cissia, look like you got ten grannies.

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Speaker 2: You look after yourself. We try to do your.

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Speaker 3: I look like a young grandmother. And then you know

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Speaker 2: And that's special bonde.

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Speaker 3: Definitely that we have with our grandmothers. Yes, because I

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Speaker 2: Yes, because there's many grandmothers. Yes.

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Speaker 1: In our Aboriginal culture and kinship, we don't have to.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not a grandmother, right, but I'm bibina and

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what's missing from your own lived experience.

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Speaker 3: So at the moment, it's a struggle. I am. I

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Speaker 2: Put the two together.

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Speaker 1: You've taken a job to be able to help set

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Speaker 3: And I have to put you know, build this platform

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Speaker 1: And the reason why they're reoffending because they're coming out

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Speaker 2: But you're sleeping.

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Speaker 3: So I've actually connected up with a group called Karna Communities,

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Speaker 3: So I will mentor them ladies when they get out

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Speaker 3: If they need to go to appointments, I'll go and

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Speaker 3: pick them up and take them. I'm also connecting up

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Speaker 3: with employment for the ladies. Also, you know, I've created

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Speaker 3: a ten week prison and it's ten.

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Speaker 3: So it's called warburn in Jorga, which is healing women

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Speaker 3: in Longam and it's a ten week program that addresses

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Speaker 3: But I will have facilitators facilitate it from an Aboriginal lens,

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Speaker 1: They might be the ones that can actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, my organization is a non for profit organization. So

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Speaker 3: And that's what all our children should be doing, feeling safe.

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Speaker 1: We'll let them know that there's people that care for

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Speaker 2: You know, how do we support each other.

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Speaker 1: How do we make sure that your organization is thriving, right,

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Speaker 1: We need to build capacity and capability amongst Aboriginal organizations,

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Speaker 1: You know, I just sometimes I feel for a mob

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Speaker 1: What if our people had generational wealth that they could

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Speaker 3: As you just said wealth. Yes, you know, we are strong,

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Speaker 2: And that's, you know, so important.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say that that we've got to make

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Speaker 2: Because I'm one of them as well.

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Speaker 1: I always love to know what other black women do

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Speaker 1: to look after them their selves.

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Speaker 3: I am a water girl, so going to the beach,

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Speaker 3: putting my feet in that sand, you know, is that

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Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite things, is grounding myself in

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Speaker 3: that water on the beach, you know, just swimming, cleansing

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Speaker 3: myself in that water. That is number one priority that

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Speaker 3: I do whenever I get the opportunity to go back

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Speaker 3: to bush, especially with the elders. I love sitting with

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Speaker 3: my elders and just embracing and absorbing all their knowledge

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Speaker 3: because it makes my heart so happy and my cup

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Speaker 3: so full. That my culture is more important than anything

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Speaker 3: in this whole world, you know, and the connection to it.

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Speaker 3: You know, we are such a strong, knowledgeable, sustainable culture.

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Speaker 3: We are the sustainable culture because we always you know,

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Speaker 3: we know how to regrow things in this land. Invented

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Speaker 3: term sustainability, that's our word, how to actually implement it exactly,

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Speaker 3: you know, So our culture without it, we are lost,

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Speaker 3: so we need to keep you know, keeping it alive.

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Speaker 3: We need to keep it alive for our next generation,

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Speaker 3: the next generation.

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Speaker 2: And find that's where we find our strength.

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Speaker 1: We draw strength from our culture, yep, because without my culture,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be walking the way I

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Speaker 1: walk now in this land. Prayer, confident black woman exactly,

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Speaker 1: whether you being incarcerated or not, nothing's.

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Speaker 3: Going to hold this sister, dad, exactly. And I got

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Speaker 3: all my sisters there on the side of me. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know, my ancestors are all around me, you know.

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Speaker 3: And it's amazing the spiritual connection that us Black mob

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Speaker 3: have with this earth. It's unexplainable.

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Speaker 1: Well, how many thousands right of our old people are

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Speaker 1: now our.

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Speaker 3: Ancestors exactly, So we're right. I know, we're always going

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Speaker 3: to be right, but we're always.

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Speaker 1: Going to be If you could leave us, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be, you know, words of wisdom. But a

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Speaker 1: message for our sisters that are listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to them while they're sitting in

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Speaker 1: there and even at times when they're feeling that they

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Speaker 1: can't get out of bed or they don't see the

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Speaker 1: light at the end of the time, they can't see

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Speaker 1: it because of where they're at with their mental health

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Speaker 1: or whatever's going on in their life. What would you

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Speaker 1: say to some of our sisters that are sitting in prison,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure that they will have access to listening

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Speaker 1: to podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Well, my sisters, you just really made my heart really heavy.

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Speaker 3: Then when you said all that, I was like starting

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Speaker 3: to choke me up and bring tears to my eyes.

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Speaker 3: You know, our sister girls, you know we are strong.

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Speaker 3: Our ancestors created pathways for us. We must continue creating

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Speaker 3: them pathways because we need to for our children. We

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Speaker 3: have obligations in this world as cultural women too. You know,

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Speaker 3: stay strong, stay deadly, and reach out because there's always

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Speaker 3: a sister that's going through exactly what you've gone through

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Speaker 3: through that's going to help you. You know, if you

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Speaker 3: ever want to reach out to me Voice of Hope,

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Speaker 3: I would never ever judge anybody. I'm there to help

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Speaker 3: guide and support you on this journey because we need

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Speaker 3: to help each other. You're not alone in this world.

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Speaker 3: We will do a three sixty spin on this.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bounce back stronger and deadlier and blacker

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Speaker 1: and louder and prouder and prouder. And you know our

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Speaker 1: children are when you think about it, like they're a

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Speaker 1: product of our environment. We've got to create that environment

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Speaker 1: as black women, as matriarchs of nurturers, as givers of life,

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Speaker 1: as backbones of our families, keeping our families together.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot on our shoulders.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, Sis, it's been so deadly

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Speaker 1: to just sit on the couch and yarn. I know

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Speaker 1: we could be and all day and we'll have another

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Speaker 1: opportunity even when we jump on the phone. We're talking

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Speaker 1: just in the foyer with Nioka Sister Naoka Morgan another episode.

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Speaker 1: Go listen to how us black women can just get

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Speaker 1: together and support each other even on a team's call. Yes, So,

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Speaker 1: if you are one of those deadly black women out

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Speaker 1: there and you want to start connecting, engaging and yarning

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Speaker 1: or meeting up with other black women, we don't have

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Speaker 1: to all live in the same suburb.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let's make use of Facebook and social media and online zooming.

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Speaker 2: Let's make use of it.

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Speaker 1: Let's use technology to our advantage and not think about

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Speaker 1: the time or distance between us.

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Speaker 3: Let's have that platform go all around Australia with our

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Speaker 3: black sister girls.

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Speaker 1: All right, well you heard it here on the Black

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Speaker 1: Magic Women podcast again, my sister, I love the work

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Speaker 1: that you're doing. Big shout out to your beautiful mom

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Speaker 1: Anni Maari, thank you so much for coming and supporting me.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, no, thank you for you filled my mother's cup

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Speaker 3: up yesterday and she was like so blessed yesterday for

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Speaker 3: meeting you. Thank you for giving us that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to work with and.

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Speaker 1: See how I could support you, fellas with the work

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Speaker 1: that you're doing with all of the networks and clients

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Speaker 1: and people that I engage with. This yarn had to

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Speaker 1: happen and we've got to get voice of hope out.

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Speaker 2: There to the broader community.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you've enjoyed this yarn, and I know

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Speaker 1: for some Mob it may have been a little bit triggering.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of emotions because it's just too close

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Speaker 1: to home. So thank you very much for joining me

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Speaker 1: for another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, five fin out.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit

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Speaker 1: our show notes in the episode description. A big shout

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Speaker 1: out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue

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Speaker 1: to listen, watch, and support our podcast. Your feedback means

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Speaker 1: the world. You can rate and review the podcast on

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Speaker 1: Apple and Spotify, or even head to our socials and

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel and drop us a line.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.