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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating

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Speaker 1: failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, all interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 2: Hello on the pod.

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Speaker 1: Today we have the very celebrated Aussie actor Gary Sweet.

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Speaker 1: He made his break in television in the eighties and

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Speaker 1: today is going gangbusters as an actor. He was in

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Speaker 1: that quintessential Aussie cop show called Police Rescue, which won

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Speaker 1: him three logis. He has done theater, He's done music

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Speaker 1: US loads and loads and loads of those kind of

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Speaker 1: policy cop shows. If you're a millennial like me, you

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Speaker 1: will remember him as the lead in Stingers, Good Old Stingers.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in la as I record this

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Speaker 1: intron and I'm like, ah, Hearing this pod makes me

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Speaker 1: love Australia and love that Aussie accent. Gary is so relaxed,

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Speaker 1: so chill and so calm, and to me, as somebody

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Speaker 1: that is studying acting, I tend to.

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Speaker 2: Hold on too tight. I'm very a type. I want

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Speaker 2: to show the work.

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Speaker 1: That has done, whereas he's like, nah, like just like

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Speaker 1: kind of let it go, go easy on yourself and

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Speaker 1: just let it flow.

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Speaker 2: So I found it really inspiring.

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Speaker 1: I hope this interview brings a spark of inspiration to

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Speaker 1: your day.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy, make a love.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Pod, Gary Sweets Mate. It's an honor

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Speaker 1: to have you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you are one of the quintessential Aussie is.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that thanks.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if maybe is there one now?

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Speaker 3: I mean, things have changed so much.

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Speaker 4: There are some good some greats.

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Speaker 2: He'd be in it like that's as I feel like

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Speaker 2: you were.

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Speaker 4: Just because I'm old. No, the director once said that

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Speaker 4: about me. A director of favorite director of mine, George Ogilby,

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Speaker 4: once said that I was extremely flattered, but I couldn't

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Speaker 4: really see the connection. But he's what he said was

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Speaker 4: that he thought I was like the Jimmy Stewart of

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Speaker 4: Stewart was in Liberty Balance with Lee Marvin. He's in

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Speaker 4: that great Christmas movie. What's a Christmas movie?

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Speaker 3: You missed it? I can't remember now.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, he's long, you know, curled his toes up. But okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: now you have to have a.

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Speaker 2: I will, I will, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're South Australian boy born in Melbourne, born in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: but then grew up adopted.

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Speaker 2: And grew up in South Australia sort of yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then correct.

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Speaker 1: Me please, like I don't care if I'm wrong, so

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Speaker 1: tell me school me.

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Speaker 4: No, it's it's a long and complicated story.

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Speaker 2: But grew up.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Adelaide, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: And then did you study to be a teacher?

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Speaker 4: I did? Yes.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure out where the acting like

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Speaker 1: you're quite like, so, yeah, you're hard.

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Speaker 2: I can't find it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've thought about this more recently.

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Speaker 4: Because I've always said I had no interest in acting

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Speaker 4: you know, the spiel I've gone with for many years.

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Speaker 1: So you so, how like after studying drama at UNI,

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Speaker 4: just went straight to Crawford.

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Speaker 2: Productions, straight to the production company.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I turned up there and have you seen

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Speaker 4: The King of Comedy by any chance with Robert Deanira?

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Speaker 3: This is this is kind of kind of like his story.

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Speaker 4: Really, but anyway, I turned up and I said, Hi,

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Speaker 4: my name's Gary Sweet from Adelaide, like to be an actor?

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Speaker 4: I said, well no. They said do you do you

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Speaker 4: have any experience? And I said no. They said they

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Speaker 4: said do you have an agent? I thought, they said

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Speaker 4: So they said, do you know what the day you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, we're all on holidays. Something happens till February.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you go home and you know we'll well,

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Speaker 4: And then finally someone was just so intrigued they came

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Speaker 3: And I said, right, here's the script, the one page script.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So we chatted away and she she said, oh,

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Speaker 4: So I went back to Adelaide and all my mates

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Speaker 4: said how'd you go it? And I said, they're going

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Speaker 4: But what happened from there was that I got it

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Speaker 4: get a job you had to get an interview. If

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Speaker 4: you didn't get an interview, you didn't get a job.

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Speaker 4: On only forty percent of graduates got really got an interview. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And then I was playing basketball, which is not my

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Speaker 4: And then I got a call on Sunday night before

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Speaker 3: And I said yeah. He said, well you'll be teaching.

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Speaker 3: From the casting director I saw, who was now.

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Speaker 4: I'll just keep calling you.

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Speaker 4: So the following day, which was the Wednesday, I went

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Speaker 4: You know? And so that was it.

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Speaker 3: I had one week of teaching.

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Speaker 4: A long and illustrious career.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is the most incredible startup story into acting

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Speaker 2: Literally, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was funny.

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Speaker 3: So I did this movie that was absolutely appalling. It

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Speaker 4: And the script was appalling, and I was appalling, and

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Speaker 4: when I want to see it, there was all this.

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Speaker 4: There were a number of sex scenes in the show

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Speaker 1: Okay, sure, so Police Rescue, Yeah, you won two logis

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Speaker 4: John Bradman Body Lines. So that was that was before that.

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Speaker 4: It's great because you know, you can do things that

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Speaker 4: Oh, I just yeah, that was a really seminal show,

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Speaker 4: I think, because it was it was a different cops show,

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Speaker 2: It's still meaty little plot lines and like.

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Speaker 4: You know, who thought it up? The props guy, no,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a great concept and was so cool

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, it was a stage where I thought,

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Speaker 2: I've heard you said that.

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Speaker 4: Right, I had to do it. Funnily enough, I'd never

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Speaker 4: People remember that I've done, you know, but more recently

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Speaker 4: a show called Blue Murder. Yeah, or I played a

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Speaker 3: Don't play the baddy. I said, I want to play.

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Speaker 4: And and when their reviews came out, they said, oh,

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Speaker 4: You know what happens when somebody sees you in a

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Speaker 1: I've heard actors say playing the villain means you often

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you've got to be against the hero,

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Speaker 4: David Williamson said after the opening night in adelet you

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Speaker 2: Take it as a compliment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what a dreadful character. But yeah, yeah, so do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you find that, because like, do you find

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Speaker 4: Yeahs. My most recent.

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Speaker 4: Look, everybody's classically trained, you know, beautiful voices, and I

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Speaker 4: So they wrote me an old rock and roll song

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Speaker 1: Do you find those like, because there's a saying that like,

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Speaker 4: No, No, I was just I've never done fifteen takes, but.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it all depends.

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Speaker 4: Always shoot me last. They always shoot me last. If

443
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Speaker 4: you're quick, if we're running out of time?

444
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Speaker 1: Really good, He'll get one take wonder how good? What

445
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: a good way to be though?

446
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: Is it?

447
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: Because like you seem so to me. You seem so

448
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: relaxed and comfortable within yourself. Although at the start of

449
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: this pot I was like, how are you feeling? You're like, like,

450
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to the dentist.

451
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 4: That's true.

452
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: How do you feel now though? Like it's just like

453
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: a chit chat celebrating you.

454
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 4: Like you didn't find any feelings or no.

455
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: Bad, no cavity is here. You're so.

456
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: As far as like theater versus like being on a

457
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: teally set, which I feel like tally set is what

458
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: you've done the like the bulk of your career. Is

459
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: that what feels most comfy to you?

460
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

461
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Or do you just love it all?

462
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: You're just like I'll take what comes my way and

463
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm just going to run it and provided the writing

464
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: is good and the characters good, I'm happy.

465
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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because in theater, apart from the removalless,

466
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: which is a kind of dark comedy, apart froment but

467
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 4: if apart from that, I've always only ever been cast

468
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: in comedies on stage, which is funny itself. Because I've

469
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: often wondered, you know, there's some you know, Shakespeare and

470
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff that I'd like to do,

471
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 4: but I wonder how it goes. I mean, because when

472
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 4: you're in a comedy on stage, you can gauge how

473
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 4: you're going, because if you're in drama, you have to

474
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 4: wait till the end of the show to find out

475
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Speaker 4: that if they Yeah.

476
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: Well, I saw Death of a Salesman here in Melbourne

477
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: at the end of last year, and that's a long,

478
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: heavy and is quite a dark at a moment's play,

479
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: and I just think, well, like the chops that you

480
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: must have to once sit in that energy for three

481
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Speaker 1: hours or have a long plus your prep or whatever

482
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: whatever time you've got to rock up and doing that

483
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Speaker 1: eight days a week. And then like, I don't know

484
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Speaker 1: how to think, Well, that's like that, But I could

485
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Speaker 1: see you in an Arthur Miller play.

486
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Speaker 3: Miller, Yeah, you know, all those kind of Tennessee.

487
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Speaker 2: Williams Tennessee is my Favorite's my.

488
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Speaker 3: Ultimate yeah, Albi yeah.

489
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: Sort of stuff.

490
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Speaker 1: But so, and obviously you've done feature films as well.

491
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Speaker 1: Are they fun because they're kind of like a more

492
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: like a more specific you're kind of like rock up

493
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: to set. You're there for a specific amount of time.

494
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: You're meeting a new gang and people, because it's not

495
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: like you've got the history of being on a TV

496
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: show with people and then it kind of wraps and

497
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: you don't see them again until it's released.

498
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: Like how do they feel like different beasts or am?

499
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Speaker 2: I Like?

500
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they do? Because I mean, I don't know whether

501
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: it's because I started kind of in television the way

502
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: I did, but I kind of I like the continuity

503
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: of keep of working, of doing you know, eleven minutes

504
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: in a studio or something in so you know six

505
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: or seven different scenes.

506
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Speaker 3: And you go and you do it, and you do

507
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: the next one. It's I like.

508
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: That like momentum.

509
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in feature films often you might own

510
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: did one scene one day, you know, two scenes in

511
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: a day, and then you might have a couple of

512
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: days after and you came in more scenes. You know.

513
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: I I I watched a feature I watched the trailer

514
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Speaker 4: will feature you in.

515
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Speaker 2: It was something christmasy and you have this like really thick.

516
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: It was like a comedy horror and you have this

517
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: really thing is your accent Rasian In that one German German.

518
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Speaker 4: Which one. I don't know.

519
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: There's one I've seen with you do German. Maybe it

520
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: was that one, but I.

521
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: Think called Two Heads Creek, Two Heads Greet. That's a

522
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: horror that one comedy horror.

523
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, and like your accent, I was like,

524
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: oh my god. So like, do you have dialect coaches and.

525
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: Stuff or you're like no, I'm just gonna like like

526
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: par like watch content or listen to content and then

527
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: figure it out yourself.

528
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: I've easily heard someone else do it, you know, and

529
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: copy it. I imagine I've usually heard really yeah, some people. Look,

530
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Speaker 4: some of my friends call me rain Man because I

531
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: can't really work out where this something will trigger me.

532
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'll just hear that.

533
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh you are amazing.

534
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: I'm just weird, but I but I yeah, oh fe films.

535
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: I love doing feature films because of the amount of

536
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: time you get to work.

537
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: It out, to work out that cerebral jigsaw, you know.

538
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: I love working with Rolter here.

539
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

540
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: I did another Christmas maybe.

541
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Speaker 4: Last year with an up and coming director called Madeline

542
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: Dwyer and dire sorry, and she is an amazing talent,

543
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: really fabulous and it was great to work with somebody

544
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: bounce ideas off and you know, I.

545
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Speaker 1: Think that's what I watched a clip of as well,

546
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: and I think, and you're sitting on the Christmas table.

547
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a story about a dysfunctional family at Christmas lunch.

548
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: Are you coming asking for twenty K? Is that right?

549
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: Well? I think one of the one of the kids

550
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Speaker 4: is it in you know, gambler and he he owes

551
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Speaker 4: me money. Yeah.

552
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Speaker 1: But see, so I watched that and I was like,

553
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: you're winning every You know, when you watch a TV scene,

554
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: it can happen on TV and on I guess I

555
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: can come in theater too. But you see it in

556
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: the theater sometimes as an actor that wins the scene

557
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: and you win.

558
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: Wow.

559
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah sometimes no, but I mean you win it as

560
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: an actor, not necessarily whatever character is. Like you, the

561
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: audience's viewers just like boom on you like, what is

562
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: that trick? That is obviously your rain man?

563
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: Man?

564
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Speaker 4: No, I really think there are Look when I when

565
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm really engaged, I can't remember what I've done.

566
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm really engaged, Oh yeah.

567
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: You know I have No. I really can't tell you

568
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: how it's gone or.

569
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: Anything, because you're so like in the moment.

570
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean that's sometimes you have a

571
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: little win.

572
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think you've had so many. Another show

573
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: that I love watching one was House Husbands.

574
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: Was a bit of fun.

575
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and completely like quite different. Australia is so

576
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: used to watching you on tally and it just seemed

577
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: like even the concept of the show, the concept of

578
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: the messaging, but like the camaraderie was so fun. To Julia,

579
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean, to be with a great so interesting. I

580
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: know this about Julia, but she'd been in La training

581
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: at this amazing acting school in La and then which

582
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Speaker 1: is where I trained in La, and it was off

583
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: that acting school. She then booked this self pape and

584
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: booked the job and then came home.

585
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: Well the original, the original I think premise for that

586
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: story was that I played this SOLDI guy with a

587
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: much younger wife.

588
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: You know. Ah.

589
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 4: And then I said, hoove you cast and they said

590
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: Julie Morris. And I really liked Julie, you know, but

591
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: I thought it was an unusual piece of casting. And

592
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: I said, why did you cast her? And they said

593
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: because she was the best, and well, yeah, there you go.

594
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: And she want you to to was.

595
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: And what it's so so you've had such a colorful career.

596
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Are there any like moments?

597
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: Yes, you wont a bunch of awards, not to but

598
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: quite a couple of like you know what I mean,

599
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Like there's been like the logis afi is all that

600
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Like other than that, like there've been

601
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: like career moments. It might have even been like the

602
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: guy pierced stuff where you're just like, hey, how's it?

603
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Like this is pretty down awesome.

604
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

605
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: As opposed to like the glitz and glam. More so

606
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: like moments on set or moments where you're like, oh

607
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: no this is and you've you've shot all over Australia

608
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: like cool locations, you know.

609
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a moment where you're like, yeah,

610
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: this is pretty the couple.

611
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: There's a couple of things springing mind. One is with

612
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Speaker 4: with ralphter here right, rather never liked me, you never

613
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: ever liked before we work together. Yeah, he thought I

614
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: was a smart ass and two irreverent for him and

615
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: basically you thought I was a pain in the ass.

616
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: I used to see him ocasionally when I was at

617
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 4: the Sales Stralian Film Court anyway, I was there doing

618
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: a kids show and doing a kids show called The

619
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: Adventure The Adventures of Chuck Finn, and I think I was.

620
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: I was in it twice. I was either playing a

621
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: ghost or I was playing Big Gaza Ring the Scrap

622
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: Metal King, where I played this scrap metal millionaire who

623
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 4: drove his own stretch because he wanted to impressed people. Anyway,

624
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 4: I used to, Yeah, I used to bound past Rolphs

625
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: because I found Roll to be so serious, you know.

626
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: So I go past his office story, Hey, Roppie, baby,

627
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: how's the going out?

628
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: You know?

629
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Speaker 4: And he just looked at me, you know. Anyway, we

630
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: used to smoke outside of his outside of the offices,

631
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 4: and I'd come up with a cigarette one day and

632
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: he must have caught me in a really pensive mood because.

633
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: I was aware of him staring at me, and he.

634
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: Ah. Some time later, when I was back on the

635
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: set of the kids show, I don't know what had happened.

636
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: I've been thrown out of some relationship and something I

637
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: don't know, or my own fault. And anyway, the guy

638
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: there was a strange guy on set, and he said,

639
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: could you come and see Ralph? And so went I

640
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: went to Ralph role for So I went to see

641
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: him and he said, look, I've had this movie bubbling

642
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: along for a while. I'd like you to read it,

643
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: and if you're interested, i'd like you to play this character,

644
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: you know, which was a film called The Tracker with

645
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: David Gobler, and we had a shoot in a place

646
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: called Arka Ruler, which is about ten hours north of Adelaide.

647
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be one point six billion years old,

648
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 4: the second oldest place on the planet. Absolutely breathtaking, you know,

649
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: at the top of the Flinders, you know.

650
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: Fifty degrees.

651
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

652
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 4: Just I rode my horse back and forth. It took

653
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: like it took an hour to get eight kilometers in

654
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 4: a four wheel drive. So I just I just ride

655
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: my horse there and rub my horse back.

656
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, that skill set to have handy.

657
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: I had a great teacher, Gillian Rolton, who won two

658
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: gold medals for Australia at the Olympics in question, who's

659
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: unfortunately now died. She taught me to ride really yeah,

660
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: she was at teachers College with me. Yeah, oh wow, yeah,

661
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: a little name dropped there. Anyway, working with Ralph and

662
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: David role when I discovered that while we present fairly differently.

663
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: It's more sedate than we have similar, you know, similar

664
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Speaker 4: ways of thinking about things like social justice and just

665
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: politics and all that sort of stuff. You know. So

666
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: that was a really big moment for me, you know,

667
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: and he wrote me a film after, which is quite

668
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: a bizarre film, but it was. Yeah, it was.

669
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Speaker 3: So I've done three films with him.

670
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Speaker 1: Wow, did you ever Because a lot of Australian actors

671
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: will get a bit of success and go I'm going

672
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: to try America?

673
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Did that ever? Cross film?

674
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: Yes? I went a couple of times, and it was

675
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: probably too mature to.

676
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: With fun times to.

677
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: Take the opportunity that I probably had there. Yeah. The

678
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 4: other thing though, that's different is that I went after

679
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: after we did a thing called The Pacific, I became

680
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: friends with a little known actor who went on to

681
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: win the Academy Award for playing Freddie Mercury in ye

682
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: used to say his place. Yeah yeah great mates. In fact,

683
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: when he came out and he took me to the premiere,

684
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: I saw it. I go, you know, he might he

685
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: might be not only nominally, he might he might win.

686
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: They audience, Gary.

687
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: Where was I going with that story? Oh? Yeah, I

688
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: went and stay with him but you know, we'd always

689
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: just play too much. You know, I played up like

690
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: a second hand lawnmower. But he's which is hilarious because

691
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: he's got a twin brother. He spends his life going

692
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: to bars getting drink cards saying he's RAMI, you know, amazing.

693
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Speaker 1: So okay, because I always say to people because I

694
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: live half in Los Angeles and LA is quite a beast.

695
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: No, no, it's quite brutal if.

696
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: Essentially be it's the world of rejection as an actor

697
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: because your cons are like, yes, you get to be

698
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: become so fit from an audition perspective because of self

699
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: taping all the time or doing voice auditions, whatever it is.

700
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: But like it's funny that fitness, isn't it. I'm not

701
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 3: very good.

702
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm very good at additions, but I've

703
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: become better the more you do.

704
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: Because also I think you get so out of your

705
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: head that it's like another one. Yeah, like let's just

706
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: don't hold onto it, let it go.

707
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: That's right.

708
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's it's fascinating because in LA it's not

709
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: like you don't if you get to know, you just

710
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: get nothing, and so you get so used to this,

711
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: like constant rejection over there, and it's like resilience is

712
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: such a key player to kind of like having a

713
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: win because you're just like, oh, just take another hit,

714
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: here we go. And so yeah, I was fascinated to

715
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: know if you went to LA because you've obviously got

716
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: the skills and you've got the such a beautiful body

717
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: of work behind you as well.

718
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I problem may have left it too late.

719
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 4: And the other thing is, I I think when I

720
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 4: was I went once when I was single and no children,

721
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: but then and that was great.

722
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Speaker 3: That was excessive, you might.

723
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Speaker 5: Say, yeah, but but when you've got kids in that

724
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 5: you just it's much more difficult, you know, to balance

725
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: being away and all that sort of stuff.

726
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: Especially like a movie. If you're not on a movie

727
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Speaker 1: in Canada or DAA.

728
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Speaker 3: Like it's yeah.

729
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: It's almost like you need an element of selfishness because.

730
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Speaker 4: Well you do. You have to, and I think probably

731
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Speaker 4: probably the industry. I mean that that's part of part

732
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Speaker 4: of being in the industry. I think it's a selfish

733
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 4: you know, basically occupation. But you have to be to succeed, yea,

734
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: I mean you have to sacrifice things to succeed. I

735
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think, you know what. I look back and

736
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: I think, shit, why I do that?

737
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 3: When I do that?

738
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: But it's that's history.

739
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Now, that's how you chose it.

740
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Speaker 4: You can, you can, you know, you can change your

741
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: behavior modified from now on.

742
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 6: But I mean, yeah, you've got to be You've got

743
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 6: to be really really focused on what your goal is

744
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 6: and that and that's kind of exclusive.

745
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: That means that you exclude everybody else. Yeah, And I

746
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 4: kind of tried it for a while and then I couldn't.

747
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I don't know.

748
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's conscience. I just think that's the

749
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: way you. I just I just couldn't do it. I

750
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 4: needed I need people around me them. I get very

751
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: bored with my own company.

752
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: So before I hit record, I was like, oh, I

753
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Speaker 1: might ask you a bit about your process, and you're

754
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: like beer and a city, Like what if you like?

755
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: What is your or do you have a process or

756
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: is it more your rain Man moment?

757
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: No? If process? Look, if it's a I try and

758
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: I look, I love. I spent too much time. I

759
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: just love trying to work. It's like a jigsaw, you know,

760
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 4: it's like a cerebral jigsaw. How do you fit into

761
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: this particular in a world what is what is your

762
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: position here? You know, so that I like, I like

763
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: to work that out. And but I if I'm doing

764
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 4: a you know, if I'm doing a real life character

765
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 4: like Bradman or something, I just research, research, research, research,

766
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: and then things just pop into my head, you know, things,

767
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: just the things I don't even remember, just pop you know.

768
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: So George Ogilvy, who directed that, is a fantastic director.

769
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Speaker 4: He's unfortunately died now. He's so funny, and so he

770
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: just encouraged me to do that. You know. So I

771
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: generally try and re search a character, even if it's not.

772
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: Like if it's fictional it's a fictional.

773
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 4: Character, I still research that type of character. I see,

774
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Speaker 4: might you know in the real world be somebody like that?

775
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so does anything like click in for you?

776
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Like I've interviewed Anthony Lapalia and he's like, the watch

777
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: that I wear is important for that character, and shoes

778
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: sometimes will like it once you've got the character's shoes on,

779
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: that can kind of click something in that ever have

780
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: an impact on it.

781
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think so, more so now than it did. Yeah,

782
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: I'd be too afraid to you know, upset you from

783
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 4: the warde department. You thought, we do you like it? Yeah?

784
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

785
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: Make sure I buy that when I leave now I'm yeah,

786
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: I just said in those little aspects in that in

787
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 4: the kind of minutia of a character.

788
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have fun with it deep dive if

789
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: you already love that deep dive of research, it's almost

790
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: just like a physical layer of that.

791
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 4: It's easier to if you're doing a comedy where you

792
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 4: can go a bit more outlandish, you know, Yeah, you

793
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: can be if if you're a bad guy gagster, you

794
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: can be gold Yeah, goal change. Love wearing stuff like that,

795
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: like I would never wear it. Yeah, how good is this?

796
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: You know?

797
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: How fun? And so I enjoy fair few actors on

798
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: this pod.

799
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: So like, sometimes younger actors are listening to this, what

800
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: advice would you have for like a younger actor that's

801
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: thinking about they might have gone to acting school trying

802
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: to get an agent and they're just kind of like

803
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: trying to find their fees. It's obviously really daunting, it is. Yeah,

804
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: I found like I think I'm like eight years into

805
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: acting training now there isn't a real bridge between being

806
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: in training and the business side of it, because there

807
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: is a real businesses, there is aside to it, and

808
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: it's like, I think that's where a lot of people like,

809
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: because there is no bridge, they just fall off and

810
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: end up doing something else. Like I guess for that

811
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: daunting period, they might have done the training. You're hungry,

812
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: you're ready to go, but you don't.

813
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: Really know what to do. What kind of advice would

814
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: you have?

815
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 7: It?

816
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Is it like stick it out and like be resilient,

817
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: like self submit like what obviously like what you did

818
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: is amazing, marching on down to the production, but you

819
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: can't it doesn't really you can't.

820
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 2: Really do that now they'd be like, bye, I'll be struggling.

821
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: But like I think, is there any advice Like a

822
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: young actor listening to this, it's kind of green that

823
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: wants to, Yeah, just make the most of their opportunity.

824
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: One of the things that I did when I wasn't

825
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: working is reading plays, just reading an interpreting plays, you know,

826
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 4: not necessarily noting them, but as I was reading, if

827
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 4: you read Shakespeare or read some of the great you know,

828
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 4: Arthur Miller or you know, you know, as I said before,

829
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: Edward alb Or Tennessee Williams or you know, just just

830
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: read the plays and well great Australian place, you know

831
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: Williamson and you know Jack Hibbard, and you know, just

832
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: just keep interpreting and broadening your experience with the script,

833
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 4: with the text, just to keep you like interested and involved.

834
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: And it's like a muscle too.

835
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so you can so that, yeah, and so

836
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: that when you get the opportunity, you know, you can

837
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 4: draw on those things you have experience from outside real life,

838
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: from inside the text, from different characters and all that

839
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: sort of thing. And the last thing is just be

840
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 4: be courageous. Just be courageous, don't Yeah, just jump, yeah,

841
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 4: just go for it, because you know you might be

842
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: the one that's caught the net. You know.

843
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a someone said just stay ready,

844
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: like stay ready, And I.

845
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: Think that's a really good because it's easy to.

846
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Get lazy with reading as well, like it plays, but

847
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: especially like fiction as well. Like I know you're a

848
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: crime fiction as am. I I love a bit of

849
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: crime fiction.

850
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: Have you read Nick Herron? No?

851
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: I haven't.

852
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: But even as I was writing down, has been researching,

853
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: I was writing down I like Candice Fox, such a quickie,

854
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: like she's a page turner author. But yeah, I like

855
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and fiction is something I've only got into really in

856
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: all honesty, like through this podcast and interviewing authors. And

857
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm like shit on mid thirties discovering fiction. You know,

858
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: and the more that you read, the like you have

859
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: better acts like lexicon, like better access to words. And

860
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: so I feel like if an audition does come your way,

861
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, well, hang on, it reminds me

862
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: bit of that character I read about or you know,

863
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: like it it's almost like you're building your skill just

864
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: by reading. And it's free essentially, like it's a thing

865
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: that you can do daily. And the thing that I

866
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: say to people now, like I've built a career on

867
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: wrinning nonfiction and it's so different to fiction because fiction

868
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: or plays like you get escapism, you get plot, you

869
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: get storyline, you get character development like light and shade.

870
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: Like it feels like being in a form of acting

871
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: school in a way. You can see why that is

872
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: like a huge free way to like keep that and

873
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: that creative juice.

874
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: Kind of flowing as well.

875
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: I feel, yeah, it's true, it's true.

876
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I've got like a ziggarette of books

877
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: next to it, of crime books and all that. But

878
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: can I just just tell you when I found the

879
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: first Mick Heron novel. It's called Slow Horses. It's a start.

880
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: It's about this bunch of loser spies that have in

881
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: some way made an enormous mistake and got shifted to

882
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: next door to this crummy old building, and they're all

883
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: run by this X spy and they just leave them

884
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: until they quit or get rid of them because they

885
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: can't fire them because you know they'll get the payout

886
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: all that, but they always cut. There's always some caper involved.

887
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: When I read the first one on my Instagram, which

888
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: I rarely ever do anything now, but about five years ago,

889
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: I reckon is when I first read the book and

890
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 4: I said, look to my, to my you know, help

891
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: many thousand followers, I said, you must read this book

892
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: and just put a photo Slow Horse of it. This

893
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 4: guy is good, And so then I checked anyone likes it.

894
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: It's like thirteen.

895
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: So I cracked it and put put a photo of

896
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 4: me and my undies onto the next place.

897
00:49:51,600 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 7: I got about you know eight, so funny, how't you

898
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 7: need it?

899
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: That's the.

900
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: I needed you. That's what I need you no love.

901
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I love that you're saying, like ree.

902
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: So it's just it's so mind blowing to me that

903
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: you almost kind of like fell into acting and it

904
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: just and then along the way you kind of fell

905
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: in love with it and loved that kind of like

906
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: it's so nice to it's so really refreshing to hear it.

907
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: But also I was like someone that's spent like eight

908
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: years in acting school and you're in school with like

909
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: people that would like blood sweat or tears want it

910
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: and they're never going to get like so many people

911
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: aren't going to like the success rates like what two

912
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: percent if we're lucky if that So it's so nice

913
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: here that it was just like, yeah, well it kind

914
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: of I tried this thing and I was going to

915
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: be a teacher, got my cast cut off, and just

916
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's limped in, but it sounds. It

917
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: sounds like do you feel like as you've like your

918
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: career is I guess progress, like have you found that

919
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: you trust yourself as an actor so much more?

920
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah I am yes, and no really yeah yes

921
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: and no, I'm well I did an audition recently which

922
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: I completely misinterpreted completely.

923
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: But I was, so, I was so clear on my

924
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: what I thought.

925
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: So I had you committed?

926
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: I committed?

927
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, ohheartedly?

928
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah.

929
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: And it was did they give you feedback?

930
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: No? No, they said it was American They said no, yeah, yeah.

931
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: So and when I thought about it, somebody, I think

932
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: my agent.

933
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: Said I I don't think that was.

934
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: I was just thinking, you know, you're way too serious

935
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 4: in that, and and I looked at it.

936
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't you know what, She's exactly right. She's exactly right.

937
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: At the time, I was so.

938
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: Focused on delivering this, but I mean, you know, you've

939
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 4: got to take those risks every now and again.

940
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: You've got it you otherwise, Yeah, yeah.

941
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: You don't learn, and you don't I could. I can't

942
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: do it half. I'm not half had no.

943
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean you will laugh.

944
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: My first ever audition in La god an agent, I

945
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, unset stupid naively thought that might I

946
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: say force first audition comes in and they're like Kristen

947
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Bell type.

948
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, okay, I can be funny.

949
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, I got the funny bones anyway, And I'm

950
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: reading this script is for a commercial ad. And as

951
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I read down the script, I'm like, oh, my god,

952
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: this is an ad for Vagina deodorant. My first audition,

953
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I had to barrel the camera. No, this is not

954
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: a lie, this is word for word, and I had

955
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: to say hello, I'm your fanny godmother. Then I had

956
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: to have a makeshift wand that I'd made, and I

957
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: had to go, this is a whole body deodoor and

958
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: I had to use the one to point and I'd

959
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: say safe to use on your pits, privates and feet

960
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: in what order? I have no idea. Anyway, it called

961
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: for an American accent. I was like, of course, I

962
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: did my general American and then I was like, this

963
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: is too funny not doing an ausy like proper Aussie accent,

964
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: and so I like fully committed Australian accent, like oh,

965
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm your fanny godmother, right and no response.

966
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 2: Was my first ever.

967
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: That was my first ever audition in LA and I

968
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: was like, Vagina deodoran there, but I know what you

969
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: mean about you really commit. You're like this is too

970
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: good not to just like run with and just have

971
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: fun with and laugh at later. But he had not

972
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: even got not even got a call back nothing.

973
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 4: Now dare they I don't know.

974
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: What they mean wild though, like, and I think that

975
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: that's what like I like to celebrate and those.

976
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: Parts of the story.

977
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, people see you, you know, celebrated LOGI winning actor,

978
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: like an incredible career that has spanned decades and decades,

979
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: but it's like you still did an audition recently that

980
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: you didn't get a callback for.

981
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 3: No, I completely absolutely stuffed it.

982
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that. I think it's part of it

983
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: as well.

984
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: And I think what people don't see as an actor,

985
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, there's all these you've done such incredible stuff,

986
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's been like misses along the way.

987
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or like.

988
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: You've really wanted this role and you've like put your

989
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: heart into it and you're like yes that, Like I

990
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: can see myself and it's like, well, no, we've cussed

991
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: someone else.

992
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: I think the way to deal with that, though, is

994
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: that is that because it's you know, I mean, what

995
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 4: other job you get so heavily critiqued.

996
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

997
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 4: I don't know whether this is just a trick that

998
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 4: I play on myself, but I'm genuinely convinced that there's

999
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: only one person for the role yea, and that in

1000
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 4: the end comes down to who they like, not necessarily

1001
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: who's the best actor?

1002
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's such a misnomer best actor or best actress.

1003
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes they're like do you need to be borne? No,

1004
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: you need to and you're like, well I'm out of

1005
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: that one, or.

1006
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not better, they're just different.

1007
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: So yeah, I console myself with that thought that that

1008
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: genuinely probably is only one actor for that role, you.

1009
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: Know, and if you're not it, and it's gone to

1010
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: whoever it is, so you just move on.

1011
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: Do you think that?

1012
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: And this is my final question? Do you think I

1013
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: was going to say, like, is there anything you live by?

1014
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: Because you seem quite relaxed and calm and quite kind

1015
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: of chill about it or in a good in a

1016
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: really good way. Is that kind of your not necessarily

1017
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: a method, but ethos around us that like, yeah, what's

1018
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: meant for me won't pass me?

1019
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1020
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still, you know, I still find the whole

1021
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: thing deeply exciting.

1022
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it seems like you're good at letting go,

1023
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: is what I Yeah, I think you're I don't want

1024
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: to be excited.

1025
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to kill the casting director that

1026
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: didn't cast Yeah, that's what I mean.

1027
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I feel like you're kind of like, well, what's you know,

1028
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that audition if I don't get it.

1029
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 4: Okay, It's more it's more likely that friends of mine

1030
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: will see something and I'll say, oh, auditioned for that

1031
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 4: part of something, you didn't get it, and they go, oh, yeah,

1032
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 4: where's me At the time they are.

1033
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: Onto the next And I think that's a good superpower

1034
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: to have.

1035
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it used to be unless laid

1036
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: back when I was you know, I used to you know,

1037
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 4: people finish its crying. That was so greatful, thinking what's next,

1038
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: you know, and that kind of that kind of razor

1039
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, razor blood existence is it's fun you know,

1040
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 4: if you if you if you've established I mentioned, if

1041
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: you're not, you know, it's very difficult. And also you know,

1042
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: the longer the time between jobs are less exciting. It is. Yeah,

1043
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 4: of course, the plunge into the unknown, you know.

1044
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just.

1045
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 4: I just I can't imagine doing anything else now. It's

1046
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: just like I don't have any skills for anything else.

1047
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: So really I got nothing.

1048
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: No, I got no, but I got you know, what

1049
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: was your favorite like obviously you were so iconic in

1050
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: all these and I know a lot of them, like

1051
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: detective and that kind of like you fit that archetype

1052
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: so people, and then like Stingers was like things.

1053
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: My favorite was my favorite cop role because I mean

1054
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: Jack in a series Jack, the one I did in

1055
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: Jack I ash, I loved, and the one I had

1056
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: a small part in The Clearing Yes that Matt Cameron wrote.

1057
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: For me, Scary. He wrote, do you write that for you?

1058
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 4: He wrote the part for me where I had a

1059
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: I know it's not a cop guessing, it's not much

1060
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: in it, but I'll write you a really good monologue,

1061
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 4: which he did, and it's probably one of my favorites.

1062
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Ah, that's on Disney right now. You can stream that

1063
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: right now.

1064
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: Still.

1065
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it involves a stapler and a younger detective who's

1066
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: made a big mistake.

1067
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: But Stingers, yes, is it's hard police rescue. It's different.

1068
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: You know, I can't it was, yeah, Seminal started at all,

1069
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 4: But Stingers was great because it's such a different character.

1070
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 4: It's such a his bipolar character. And I went and

1071
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: researched with a forensic psychi just psychologists, psychiatrist, physics, psychiatrists,

1072
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: I think, And I said for about four hours with

1073
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: him and just just walked out convinced I got it.

1074
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: And he said to me, I think all actors have

1075
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 4: a kind of bipolar light. Oh wow because of that, Yeah,

1076
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: you know.

1077
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: Oh how cool?

1078
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, stingers is like as soon as you said

1079
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: yes to this pot I was like.

1080
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's like my first that's where my brain

1081
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: went straight away. So yeah, so it's you have been

1082
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: wonderful to interview. Thank you so so much. Did you

1083
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: have fun? Was it better than the It was very.

1084
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 4: Much better than the dentist? Yes, very happy.

1085
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: You're the first guest I've ever had that's been like, yeah,

1086
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: so this feels like going to the dentist.

1087
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: But thank you. I'm glad you.

1088
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad you gave it a shot and jumped in.

1089
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: You nailed it.

1090
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Lola. Really great.

1091
00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1092
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

1093
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: on Instagram.

1094
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo, lollaberry.

1095
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

1096
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rape

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Speaker 1: and comment, and of course spread the love.