WEBVTT - REGGIE, TARAS & JOHNSON DISCUSS WHO WILL WIN? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.000 TV Reload the podcast last week a night. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:05.920 Welcome back to TV Reload. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.960 My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast I go 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.920 behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. Each 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.840 episode you will get a front row seat with content 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:21.160 makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and casting agents, plus 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.720 the talent that we see on our screens. TV Reload 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.200 reloads the shows that you are currently watching and gives 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.640 you a better insight at our television industry and streaming 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.360 services today. On the podcast, I have the three final 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.400 housemates from Big Brother twenty twenty two. The entire season 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.800 has been a massive ride for all housemates, and while 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.360 Channel seven gears up from mega finale Tuesday night at 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:51.440 seven point thirty, I have og superstar Reggie Byrd, Superfan Johnson, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.480 and Strategic rat Bag Terras ready to unpack their road 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.440 to glory. Who will win you decide? Details on how 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.720 to vote become available on the Channel seven website and 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.280 Facebook page. Make sure you vote so your winner doesn't 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.040 fall over at the finish line. Two hundred and fifty 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.679 thousand dollars is a lot at stake, and these housemates 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.080 need you more than ever. This year we saw Head 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.240 of House a power twist, second Chance, Challengers, themed tweaks, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.240 housemate nominations and secret missions all shake up the house 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.959 as returning favorites went up against a brand new breed 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.800 of housemates. Endemol Shine Australia picked seven of the most 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.479 memorable housemates to return to the house, and from Tully 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.280 and Drew to Tim Laylor and Estelle even earlier season 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.760 superstars Reggie, Trevor and Farmer Dave. The celebration of twenty 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.960 one years since Big Brother launched has been epic. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.680 The Ogs versus Newbies. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.120 Was how the game started, but as the numbers dwindled 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.880 and alliance has crumbled, all that was left was Reggie, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.160 Johnson and Terras set to face the public vote. We 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.160 will talk why they should win, what they think of 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.800 each other. However, let's get started. I'd like to welcome 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.280 Reggie to Ras and Johnson to TV Reload. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.600 It must have been a root shop to the Ogs. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.480 We've been through a lot together, haven't we. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.880 You're saying I'm fake. I'm faking my eye disease. She's 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:25.560 not blind. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.080 This year, it's my twenty first birthday. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.840 I didn't lie or anything. I told her. I was like, Hey, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.480 you've got to tell me because I can't keep doing this, and. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:45.400 I've invited housemates both new and legendary. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.520 Why do I want to stand next to Red Because 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.240 I want to. I want to go up against the bet. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.840 Will experience be enough to take on the next generation 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.079 of Housemaid's. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.359 Been asked to come back, and I don't expect to 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:00.560 be treated any differently. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.360 This is big brother. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.440 Hi Reggie, how are you? 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.960 Hey? Ben? Thank you for having me. I'm really good. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.640 I love it. Reg Tras, how are you, mate? 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.520 Ben? I'm doing all right. I'm still here. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:14.680 You're still in it. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:16.880 I guess that's got to be grateful for that. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.680 Hi John Jason, how are you, Ben? 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.040 I'm blown away. I just first of all, I'm so 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.600 humbled and blessed to be here to beat the end, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.359 to beat the finish line, There's one more hurdle, and 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.160 that's the big w Reg. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.440 You had been quite disappointed that you'd missed out on 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.960 being picked for VIP only the year before. Did they 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.120 ever give you an explanation as to why they didn't 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.640 end up using you for VIP, but then holding you 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.360 on for Big Brother Back to the Future. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.720 Yeah, I was really disappointed. I was so excited to 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.400 get axed to do VP, and I thought, oh my god, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.040 this is I've been dreaming of coming back for so 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.480 many years and then pretty much for at the last minute, 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.680 they said they know longer wanted me, and I'm like, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.680 oh what they what was it? They said they had 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.760 not better talent but along those lines like something I 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.520 guess better came along to me. So after seeing Caitlyn 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.920 Jennery there no wonder they didn't put me in there. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:23.840 But yeah, I was really really disappointed, and I thought, oh, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.480 that's it, that that was my chance of coming back. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.839 Well, I know what it's like to miss out, and 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.680 for years and years and years and being your friend, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.680 I've dreamt that we would get to do it together 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:35.640 and I've missed out. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.120 But I'm so happy for you. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.440 Oh Ben, it would have been awesome may to have 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.080 you in the house. We were talking about Wen's Ben 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.880 coming in? When's Ben coming in? And I really really 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.560 thought that you were going to come into the house. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.520 You missed out this time, But I think it's cross 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.960 We might cross paths somewhere else s down the line 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.640 in another house somewhere. 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.840 Canada, UK, there's plenty of Big Brother houses. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.840 Oh ma, contover into another country and doing it. It'd 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.719 be Oh my god, it'd be the best. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.760 It would be, it would be the best. I think 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.520 there'd be a long list of housemates from Australia trying 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.960 to get in there. Johnson, you are a super fan. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.760 Did you have a wish list of maybe former housemates 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.640 that you would have liked to have seen? I mean, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.720 once you started seeing people coming in, is there anyone 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.480 that didn't come in that you would have liked to 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:24.840 have seen. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.760 I thought Sky was going to come in, Sky and 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.400 Prayer from the season after Tims. I thought Terry was 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.240 coming in. I thought Terry was going to come in 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.840 and shake things up. That would have been That would 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.520 have been incredible. That would have been crazy, Tras. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.200 Did you know who all these ogs were? 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.040 Johnson's a super fan, Reggie's been there before, you know, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.839 did you did you know any of these people or 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.240 were they all knewbies to you? 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:51.679 Really? 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.200 My god, I was in love with Reggie when I 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.000 was like twelve. I was like, She's the most beautiful 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.760 woman in the world. I was always like, I want 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.160 Trevor to win his season. I want Trevor to win. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.920 I want Trevor, and he won. I was so stoked. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.560 I just knew how much love they had, and it 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.960 was just so interesting having them come in and be like, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.839 oh my god, especially Tim, who is just like such 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.320 a master at the game. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.280 My god, Reggie, what about even you? Is there anyone 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.080 from the two thousand and three series your series the 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.440 first time you took part on the show. Was there 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.680 anyone from that series that you think could have come 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.680 back for this iteration of Big Brother. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.080 Who would have been good in? 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:34.280 There? 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.320 Would have been my night, Ben Fat Bobby. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.680 Oh my god, I just realized who you mean. Ben 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.320 was the person who had that clash with Chrissy Swan 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:45.799 back in your series. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.320 Yes, I know you wanted. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:53.360 To do it. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.640 Why because I wanted to because someone up? 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:58.839 But it's not relevant. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:04.000 It doesn't have to be relevant to stir someone use relevant. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.640 How iconic he would have been this this Big Brother 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.920 would have been right up. He's ourly because he's such 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:18.520 a shit stir and strategic. This this would have seeded 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:19.400 him down to a tea. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.160 He's more appropriate, though, don't you think for this new 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.560 version of Big Brother than he was for the original one. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.800 Oh most definitely. Yeah, so he was in way before 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.760 his time. I wish he had to come in as well. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.680 He would have just stirred it right up. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.880 Well, Johnson, was your strategy to make sure everyone thought 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.480 that you were a super fan, because I mean, this 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:42.800 strategy is paying off for you. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.160 It wasn't really my strategy, to be honest, going into 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.480 the house. Nor wasn't my strategy in the house. My 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.040 strategy in the house was simple, play a big game 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.400 player bowl game, take out, you know, take out those 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.800 those middle range fish, because I like to see big 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.880 players go far. I mean, Ben, I was nominated nine times, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.640 Ben nine times, Terereas. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.640 I am a big fan of your time on the show. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.240 You have been on the biggest journey with how we 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.280 saw your time in the house. How much of that 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.960 was on purpose? Is this an evolved gameplay that you 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:19.840 sort of set out? 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.320 Yes, so look in a sense, yes, and no, there's 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.800 only so much you can prepare for. There's only so much. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.440 And I'm not cocky enough to be like, yeah, that 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.760 was my gameplay. But a few things like when I 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.360 did the interview to go to the house, I had 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.200 just come out of COVID, like we were just in lockdown. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.800 I had this crappy mustache, this crappy haircut. They're like, hey, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.120 you're in. I was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna go 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.959 get a haircut. They're like, no, no, no, you're going in. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.080 I want you to be like this. And I was like, damn, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.680 I look so dumb and ugly. And I was like, actually, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.800 that's probably good to look a bit weird like, And 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.240 so I went in. And I knew that my social 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.000 relationship game is good, Like I love people talking to people, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.480 I love getting to know people. I knew that if 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.800 I could last a week or two in the house, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.000 I would have built strong enough relationships that i'd probably 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.080 be okay for a bit. And that's exactly what happened. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.760 You know. I wasn't put up. I was It's not 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.200 like I faked any of those relationships. But I also knew, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.720 like it's a social game if you loved, if you liked, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.680 you're less likely to go up. I am also like 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.040 not the fittest, but I am relatively fit and strong 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.040 because like, I'm very vain, so I want to like 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.200 look good, and I did try hard in all those challenges, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.320 but I didn't I didn't have much to lose. I 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.400 felt like I was always felt like I was gonna 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.080 you never feel safe in there, but I was like, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.720 I knew that it wasn't like if I'd lose this, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.079 I'm definitely going home, which a lot of people had, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:48.880 so I didn't have to dig as deep. And then 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.000 halfway through, it was like all the challenge beasts had 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.040 sort of gone by the wayside, you know, Estelle and 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.079 JC were saying that they were challenge beasts, even though 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.280 I was doing quite well in challenges. I was like, Okay, cool, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.360 I'm just gonna let them take that mantle. I don't 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.320 need it, I don't want it. And from that point 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.760 on it was like, Okay, I think now's the time 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.520 that I can like power through and change the game plan. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.880 And it wasn't conscious. I wouldn't say it was conscious. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 It was just it was sort of necessary, I guess, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.960 and it could have failed at so many times, but 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.120 it worked out. So yeah, look, long story short, it's 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.240 not like I planned all that, but I didn't know 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.880 that I had quite good skills in a lot of situations. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.839 So reg you get in how different is Big Brother 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.280 now in twenty twenty two, almost twenty years later? Did 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.880 it live up to the expectations? And Yeah, how different 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.240 was it compared to the first time. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.120 Oh gosh, this was so chalk and cheese. It was this. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.920 This was brutal. The first Big Brother was a holiday, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.600 which I wanted. That's where I went into the show. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.720 I just wanted a holiday and had some fun. This 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.960 one was so hard been I don't know how I 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.079 did it, to be honest. It was super bad and 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.480 so different. Like when I say they were going to 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.680 bring back old with the new. Old, was expecting old 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.000 with the new and there was There wasn't much old 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.200 with the new at all. It was just all this 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.280 strategic and challenges. So it wasn't much laying by the pool, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:24.960 I must say. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.079 N that's a good point, Johnson. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.480 Do you feel like you missed out on having some 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.440 time lying by the pool compared to some of the 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:33.800 other earlier seasons. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.240 Hell, yeah, sometimes you just need to lay down bottle pool. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.320 But because I don't know any differently, Ben, it must 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.560 have been a root shock to the ogs. Because I 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.439 don't know any differently. This is the first time going 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.320 into the house I don't know any differently, So for me, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.440 I'm like, all right, this is it. Constant anxiety, constant pressure, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.800 going really dark, losing a lot of weight and losing 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.800 all my hair. Jeez, let me tell you if this 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.559 is what the old format was like, I don't know 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.200 if any of the other seasons would follow it do. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.160 I wish it was laying by the pool. The old format, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.160 you got to know people, and you got to draw 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.720 similarities and congruences with people because they're people. You got 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.280 to know their personalities. No one got to know the newbies. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.839 No one got to know me for me, but I 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.840 think it came out on screen, to be honest, I 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.400 think it came out that I was there to play 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.240 the game and that I was true to myself. And 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.320 I was nominated nine times, so I did have the 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.600 opportunity to send that a fiction chair and pitch, you know, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.080 and have the mic and Sonya and I became very 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.520 close because of the amount of times I was nominated. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.960 But you don't go through the experience not wanting to 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.199 be nominated and playing the game. And I think this 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.440 season it was particularly tough for the newbies because when 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.960 you were going to be on the back foot with 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.760 Australia anyway, being a super fan or not a good. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.480 Question to ask you boys? Why didn't you try and 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.960 get rid of Reggie? I mean, are you regretting that 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.600 decision now? I mean two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.839 is at stake and you have allowed the queen of 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.800 Big Brother to be sitting there next to you. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.000 What do you think? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:12:59.640 Yeah? 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.080 Great, Q I did. I got rid of Ice. She 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:08.760 came back, No standing next to reg To be the best, 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.560 you've got to beat the best. And I said that 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.160 I wanted to play a big game and I wanted 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.800 to make big moves. The hackers asked me a question, Ben, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:18.840 and it was who do you want to be standing 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.280 next to in the finale? And it was Leisha and Redge. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.520 Why do I? Why do I want to stand next 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.040 to Reg? Because I want to I want to go 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.200 up against the best. Do I regret it? No? I don't. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.959 I don't regret it. I don't have regrets. I've made 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.920 it this far because of the relationships that I made 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.400 in the house. And it was reg that swung from 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.800 five to four. I pitched to her and she knew 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.320 exactly what she needed to do, and that's why she 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.480 sent her Malsia because she knew how much this meant 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.319 to me. She knew how much our relationship, how close 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.480 we were. You know, Regie and I have such a 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.920 beautiful relationship. I don't want to say father's son. It's 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.920 more like stepmother, where you love to love and sometimes 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.480 you love to hate her. But I love Red, love, love, love, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.079 love reag. So do I have any regrets? No, no, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:01.520 I don't. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.800 Well, at the end of the movie step Mom, Susan 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.280 Sarandon dies and Julia Roberts comes out on top. Maybe 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.360 you are the Julia Roberts in the denomination here. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.040 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.920 But I want to ask Trask, what made of Stelle 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.240 your biggest nemesis. You know, if you knew the power 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.640 of her following, would you have played the relationship that 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.080 you had with Estelle that we saw differently? 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.160 No, I played it. I would play it exactly the same. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:32.120 So me and Estelle were so close for the first 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:36.280 half of the game, so close, like I just got 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.800 along with her so well. I loved her, underdog her 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.040 like me against the world vibe, Like I was like, yes, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.280 this is it. We were so bloody close and like 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.320 I then I think you saw it. In an early episode, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:51.680 Johnson comes to me, He's like, you got to put 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.720 a point on a Stelle. I'm like no, and like 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.360 I get angry at him. I'm like, no, I'm not 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.520 going to put a point in Estelle. She's my she's 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.080 one of my friends. I'm not going to do it. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.200 Like do whatever you guys need to do, but I'm 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.840 not going to do that. And it was constantly like that. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.440 I was always like, I'm not putting a point on 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.200 a Stelle to the detriment of my game with the 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.040 newbies really, because they're like, well, you're not working with 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.120 us with her, and she's after all of us. I 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.440 was like, it doesn't matter. I'm with the people I like. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.600 Then Drew came in and it was Estelle versed true, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:19.720 and I was like, well, I've got to get out 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.840 Drew because Estelle's my friend. So I was constantly like 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.240 doing stuff for Estelle. And then halfway through the game, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.600 I was like, Estelle, look, i know that i'm not 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.480 your number one person. I know that i'm not your 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.640 number two, and I'm pretty sure i'm not even your 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.800 number three. But I don't even know if I'm your 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.680 number six or seven. You've got to give me something. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.960 And she was like, I don't do hierarchies to us, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.880 like I don't do. And I'm like, but you do, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.560 because this is a game where hierarchies. If I'm up 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.960 there with Gabby and Dave, you're going to have to 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.440 put a point on one of us, and you know 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.880 who that is. You've just got to give me something. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.560 But she would never do it. And I was like, Estelle, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.640 I can't keep protecting you and holding you up and 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.120 doing things if I'm doing it for no reason, like 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.600 maybe you don't even care about me. And I'd say 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.880 that to her, like I didn't lie or anything. I 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.440 told her. I was like, hey, you've got to tell 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.440 me because I can't keep doing this. So that put 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.480 a thing in our relationship. And then when she voted 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.280 against me to save Drew, and Drew was my nemesis 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.480 because of her, I was like, what the hell is 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.320 going on? And I was I was. I was hurt, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.080 but I didn't get angry. I was like, what happened. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.880 She's like, look, I'm sorry, that was a big mistake. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.080 And sometimes I wonder I'm like I think she only 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.000 thinks it's a mistake because I survived, Like like I 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.960 didn't think she thinks I was. I was going to stay. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.400 And so from that point I was like, cause shed 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.320 she said, I have you, Torass, I've got you, and 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.240 I was like, well, in my head, I was like, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.200 well she lied to me. She took the first shot 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.040 and lied. So this is a game where you can lie, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.280 and so why the hell wouldn't I do it back 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.120 to her? Not maliciously, like at all, but to like, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.600 let's let's i've got to I've got to get forward. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.320 And like so I said to her, yeah, I've got you, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.760 I've got you, and I didn't, and I you know, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.040 the whole step off challenge thing happened, and I put 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.200 her up and I was She was so angry at me, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:13.840 and I was like I remember trying to talk to 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.960 me like a Stelle, like, but you did the same 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.919 to me. Why are you so angry that it happened 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.880 to you? Like don't you get it? She's like, well, 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.879 I didn't lie to you on purpose, like when I 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.000 told you I had you. I was like, yeah, but 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.919 I don't know if that's good enough, Like how do 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.560 I know that, so I think, yeah, that was the 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.240 That's the hard thing about It's such a complicated game, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.760 complicated relationships, but that's how it happened for me. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.120 And then Reggie, did you think that you would make 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.119 it this far into the competition, seeing as the competition 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.520 has evolved into being such a strategy, you know, based competition. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:49.080 No. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.679 I thought the minute I walked in that door, like 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.399 I'd have a big target on my back being a 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.240 previous winner, and I thought, jeez, I'm going to get 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.800 I'm going to go barely so to last and come 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.880 as far as I did. I'm really proud of myself 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:12.560 because those challenges were so hard and I was never 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.360 going to be a challenge beast threat, that's for sure. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.040 Oh god. You know, before every challenge, I'd come out 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.200 to the housemates and say, oh, I'm going to win 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.280 one today. I'm going to win this one today, and 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.479 they'd all go, yeah, Rag, yeah, you can do it, 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.880 you can do it. And it would have been good 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.879 to pull one off, but it didn't happen. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.680 Johnson, you really struggled with Arras putting you up for 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.639 nomination a few times. Do you think that he was 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.240 playing a smart game. Now that we all know. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.680 That you are the favorite newbie in the finale. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.320 Arras has a heart. And throughout the game, Terrata and 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.520 I got really close as friends, aside from allies as 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.320 friends been On day one, I actually went up to 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.560 him and in the bathroom we had a conversation and 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.600 I'm myself, I was so excited and Taras is this 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.480 very quiet introvert who when I went up to him, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.760 was just like, WHOA, this is a whole lot of person. 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.439 The second that I felt that from Taras, I knew 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.159 that we were going to be friends. He looked at 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.280 me and he said, I need to learn to speak 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:19.639 to you. And I said, I need to learn to 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.880 speak to you. And I think it was day six 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.040 them we laid by the pool, believe it or not, 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:29.320 and we spoke and we got into our lives and 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.400 our experiences and our families and our friends and our 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.480 loved ones, and it went from liking this person to 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.960