1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,719
Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now is Northern Territory

2
00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: Police Acting Commander for the Darwin Region, Tony Dutroum. Good

3
00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,600
Speaker 1: morning to you, Tony, Good morning Katie. Tony. Let's talk

4
00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,840
Speaker 1: through these crime stats that were released on Friday. I

5
00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,239
Speaker 1: know that they basically are that they are for the

6
00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,759
Speaker 1: year ending January twenty twenty one, So really we're looking

7
00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,560
Speaker 1: at a period of time that was last year during COVID.

8
00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,360
Speaker 1: Is that correct?

9
00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,120
Speaker 2: Probably just before, Katie, So January twenty twenty three to

10
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,840
Speaker 2: the end of January twenty one, just before COVID kicked

11
00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,479
Speaker 2: in proper across the territory and Australia. I guess so. Yes.

12
00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,879
Speaker 2: Some of those figures that we've got in relation to

13
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,600
Speaker 2: property crime, we've seen some significant decreases in properly crime

14
00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,440
Speaker 2: across the Northern Territory. So house break ins are down

15
00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,400
Speaker 2: eighteen percent, commercial break ins a down twenty six percent.

16
00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,360
Speaker 2: Across the territory. From a Darwent perspective, house break ins

17
00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,920
Speaker 2: a down thirty eight percent, commercial break ins are down

18
00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,600
Speaker 2: thirty nine percent, and from Palmston house breakings down eleven

19
00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,760
Speaker 2: percent and commercial breakings have decreased by nine percent. So

20
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,600
Speaker 2: from a property related perspective. Across the territory. We've seen

21
00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,440
Speaker 2: some significant decreases, which is promising. However, there are some

22
00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,119
Speaker 2: areas of concern and relation defense against the person.

23
00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks that way. I'm just taking a look

24
00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,399
Speaker 1: at the stats now before we go into those assaults

25
00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,160
Speaker 1: and crimes against the person. I know in Alice Springs,

26
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately they've bucked the trend and Alice Springs breakings were

27
00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,040
Speaker 1: up twenty five percent, weren't they.

28
00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, breakings up twenty five percent, and houses

29
00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,680
Speaker 2: by commercial breakings have seen a decrease by one percent.

30
00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,320
Speaker 2: And you know, as I've touched on previously, Cudie not

31
00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,560
Speaker 2: my area, but I can reaffirm that there is a

32
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,360
Speaker 2: significant body of work being undertaken in Alice Springs. Strike

33
00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,560
Speaker 2: Force VIPER supported by officers from around the territory. Nineteen

34
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,400
Speaker 2: officers are working tremendously hard, supported by the General Duties

35
00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,080
Speaker 2: Police there and they've seen some significant outcomes and hopefully

36
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,760
Speaker 2: those trends going forward in the following months, we'll see

37
00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,560
Speaker 2: some decreases and those two areas of concern.

38
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Tony, why do you reckon it is that at the moment,

39
00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, some people are going to be listening right

40
00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,359
Speaker 1: now and thinking, how on earth are some of these

41
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,840
Speaker 1: stats so low when crime seems to be a real

42
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,920
Speaker 1: issue for a lot of territories right now.

43
00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last time I spoke to Katie, if

44
00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,120
Speaker 2: you are a victim of crime, regardless of what the

45
00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,960
Speaker 2: stats are, if that's the front and center in your

46
00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,880
Speaker 2: mind from a recent experience, So the stats don't mean

47
00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,680
Speaker 2: too much. But you know, we stick to the stats.

48
00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,200
Speaker 2: The stats are what they are. Property crime has seen

49
00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,240
Speaker 2: significant decreases, and so we've got to be happy with

50
00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,360
Speaker 2: those decreases we've seen, but clearly in some areas is

51
00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,760
Speaker 2: some more work to be done.

52
00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I know that when we talk about some

53
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,320
Speaker 1: of these crime statistics, obviously there's a lot of focus

54
00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,000
Speaker 1: on whether it's youth committing crimes or whether it's adults

55
00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,239
Speaker 1: committing crimes. Is there a breakdown in those status to

56
00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,280
Speaker 1: reflect those you know, those two different groups.

57
00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,480
Speaker 2: No, those groups aren't distinguishing the crime stats that we

58
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,320
Speaker 2: see released on the monthly basis. Codie. I guess ultimately

59
00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,240
Speaker 2: there is a component of both the youth related crime

60
00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,919
Speaker 2: and adult related crime within those stats, but we don't

61
00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,240
Speaker 2: distinguish them with the monthly stats that we have out,

62
00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:20,799
Speaker 2: do you.

63
00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,560
Speaker 1: Reckon we should be?

64
00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,080
Speaker 2: Probably not a matter for me, Katy. I guess the

65
00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480
Speaker 2: rareity is youth related crimes topical at the moment throughout

66
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 2: the northern territory. It's a whole lot of throughout Olie

67
00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 2: Springs and Tanning Creek more recently on occasion up in

68
00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,160
Speaker 2: the top end. But what our focus has got to

69
00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,800
Speaker 2: be from a police perspective, We've got to look at

70
00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,040
Speaker 2: and we we're throwing this term around a little bit,

71
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,680
Speaker 2: but it's going to take some time to make those changes.

72
00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760
Speaker 2: But clearly there's some work to be done because what's

73
00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 2: leading these children out in about middle of the night.

74
00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 2: They are children. Not to excuse or support any of

75
00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,640
Speaker 2: their behaviors. Some it is quite horrific and horrendous. But

76
00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,200
Speaker 2: what's making these kids come out on the street and

77
00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,040
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. What does their household look

78
00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,600
Speaker 2: like after ours? Is it a safe place? Is our

79
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,880
Speaker 2: alcohol in there? Is their family dysfunction? Why are these

80
00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,320
Speaker 2: kids coming out in the street. Clearly there's a breakdown

81
00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,120
Speaker 2: within the family units. And we say this is going

82
00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,159
Speaker 2: to take some time, but over the territory constantly we

83
00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,320
Speaker 2: see these stories popping up, but we've got to take

84
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,000
Speaker 2: some dramatic action in relations to rectifying what's going on

85
00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520
Speaker 2: in those households, because if it's not a safe and

86
00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400
Speaker 2: nurturing and environment in the household, they're going to come

87
00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,400
Speaker 2: out into the CBD, they're going to come out into

88
00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 2: the suburbs, and they're going to get up to no good.

89
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,080
Speaker 2: So we need to address that.

90
00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Let's take a look at these

91
00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,400
Speaker 1: assault numbers, or certainly crimes against the person, as you said,

92
00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, in some locations, obviously it's not looking good.

93
00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,560
Speaker 1: Total assaults obviously up twenty two percent, alcohol related assaults

94
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,000
Speaker 1: up thirty one percent. This is across the territory. DV

95
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,279
Speaker 1: assaults upw and you know, then when you sort of

96
00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,200
Speaker 1: break those down in some of our different locations, the

97
00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,080
Speaker 1: numbers are pretty horrifying. Even when you look out in Palmerston,

98
00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,359
Speaker 1: some of those alcohol related assaults up sixty two percent.

99
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,200
Speaker 1: You know, this must be something that the territory police

100
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,000
Speaker 1: are going to be looking to focus on.

101
00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,599
Speaker 2: For sure. Okay, none of those stats are anything to

102
00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,000
Speaker 2: be proud of. The clear fact is that alcohol continues

103
00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,240
Speaker 2: to be a contributing factor to alcalorelated offending in the territory,

104
00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,080
Speaker 2: and it has a close correlation to domestic violence assaults

105
00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,320
Speaker 2: that is replicated into those households where these kids come

106
00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,680
Speaker 2: from that become involved in youthfulated crime. Clearly, access and

107
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,240
Speaker 2: consumption of alcohol continues to be a problem in the territory.

108
00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,720
Speaker 2: We've done a body of work government collectively, other agencies

109
00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,760
Speaker 2: including police, but there's more to be done. If we're

110
00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,320
Speaker 2: seeing these statistics here, we need to take stock and say, right,

111
00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,800
Speaker 2: what else can we do? Yeah, Northern Territory in December

112
00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,200
Speaker 2: alone saw for over five hundred and two thousand transactions

113
00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,560
Speaker 2: of alcohol through takeaway outlets in the Northern Territory. I mean,

114
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,360
Speaker 2: that's quite a horrific figure. There was five hundred and

115
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,440
Speaker 2: thirty five people that were knocked back through the band

116
00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,480
Speaker 2: drinkers register, but again over five hundred and two thousand

117
00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,760
Speaker 2: transactions of takeaway alcohol. So clearly this takeaway alcohol has

118
00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,000
Speaker 2: continued to impact on the safety and welfare of the

119
00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,040
Speaker 2: territory and we need to have a look at how

120
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,520
Speaker 2: we can tighten that up a bit further.

121
00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 1: Tony, there was obviously this alcohol blitz just a couple

122
00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,120
Speaker 1: of weeks ago you and I had spoken about a

123
00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. When you're in the studio. How did

124
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,080
Speaker 1: that blitz go and has it shown you that there

125
00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,400
Speaker 1: are different areas that need to be focused on. Yeah.

126
00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:50,159
Speaker 2: What it become clear to us which is probably already Yeah,

127
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,320
Speaker 2: front and center for us, Caddie. There's a number of

128
00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,320
Speaker 2: people in the Greater Daalen area that have come from

129
00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,600
Speaker 2: external communities, a number of people here that have issues

130
00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,839
Speaker 2: with alcohol. And what we've done with the Operation Extreme

131
00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 2: was a three day operation. Unfortunately, a number of people

132
00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,520
Speaker 2: were taken into custody. We saw around ninety nine people

133
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,120
Speaker 2: taken into custody for the period. We undertook one hundred

134
00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 2: and twenty nine referrals to support agencies, including those involved

135
00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 2: in some of this behavior. Two hundred and sixteen people

136
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,080
Speaker 2: were moved on. We had one hundred and thirty odd

137
00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:27,800
Speaker 2: leaders tipped out, and importantly, a number of point of

138
00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,480
Speaker 2: intervention strategies that we adopted was which are the posies

139
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480
Speaker 2: that are ordinarily seen in Catherine Tennecreek and Ella Springs.

140
00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,680
Speaker 2: We adopted on a temporary basis throughout the operation, and

141
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,560
Speaker 2: we had fifty people turned away. They were intending to

142
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,480
Speaker 2: make purchases of takeaway. So the fact that these people

143
00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640
Speaker 2: continue to come to the Greatadauan Area that have issues

144
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 2: with alcohol tells me that they're accessing alcohol within the territory,

145
00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,320
Speaker 2: within the Greatadayan Area rather. And we've got some emergency

146
00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,960
Speaker 2: powers in place which require people to satisfy legitimate address

147
00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,200
Speaker 2: in order to establish that takeaway transaction. But for me,

148
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's enough, Kadie. If we're going

149
00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,880
Speaker 2: to be honest with ourselves, we've got to say what

150
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,800
Speaker 2: is the draw card to do on People have got

151
00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,600
Speaker 2: a right to come to down on a whole day

152
00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,280
Speaker 2: or move around the territory as they see fit. But

153
00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,520
Speaker 2: if you're engaging in this behavior and you're accessing alcohol here,

154
00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,640
Speaker 2: then we need to have a look at some more measures.

155
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080
Speaker 1: Well what I mean, really, what can we be doing?

156
00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,040
Speaker 1: Do we need to look at allowing small amounts of

157
00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,840
Speaker 1: alcohol in some of those communities if it is community

158
00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,400
Speaker 1: led by you know, by our women, If our women

159
00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,880
Speaker 1: in those communities are okay with us, that's.

160
00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,720
Speaker 2: A broader discussion for the territory, Katie. But I think

161
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, when you look at those crimes that's alone

162
00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,319
Speaker 2: with alcohol, we've got to ask ourselves as a community,

163
00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,800
Speaker 2: is this satisfactory? And clearly it's not so all of

164
00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 2: the stakeholders, those that sell the takeaway alcohol, those that

165
00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,000
Speaker 2: are looking to make a safer place in the territory,

166
00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,720
Speaker 2: those that are targeted to look after families, sure kids

167
00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,800
Speaker 2: are going to school, police involved. Are we doing enough?

168
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,920
Speaker 2: Are we coming up with enough ideas out of the box,

169
00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,520
Speaker 2: because clearly the settings we've got at the moment aren't

170
00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,319
Speaker 2: getting the outcomes that we need in relation to alcohol

171
00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:20,120
Speaker 2: related harm in the territory. And unfortunately, sorry Katie, the

172
00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,760
Speaker 2: indigenous females in the territory continue to be the subject

173
00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,000
Speaker 2: of horrendous violence and often that's got a correlation to alcohol.

174
00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,719
Speaker 1: Which is some of it is absolutely horrific, Tony. Can

175
00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 1: I ask how many people were done for secondary supply

176
00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,560
Speaker 1: or was anybody done for secondary supply over that blitz period?

177
00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,600
Speaker 2: No, but there was no prosecutions in relation to that.

178
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,400
Speaker 2: It was a short, short, three day operation, Katie. But

179
00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,880
Speaker 2: importantly in relation to that a number of people have

180
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,920
Speaker 2: turned away. Some intelligence was gathered in relationship to those

181
00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,959
Speaker 2: persons that were seeking to make transactions and we were

182
00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,080
Speaker 2: able to submit six intelligence reports in relation to people

183
00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 2: that they have been seeking to undertake suspicious transactions and

184
00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,320
Speaker 2: including potential for our secondary supply.

185
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,480
Speaker 1: Now we are running out of time, but I do

186
00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,040
Speaker 1: want to ask you about an incident that he's being

187
00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,360
Speaker 1: reported over the weekend. The Anti Independent is reporting that

188
00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,680
Speaker 1: three male teenagers who were out on bail allegedly attempted

189
00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,920
Speaker 1: to rape a woman at Pinelands in January, but it

190
00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,199
Speaker 1: was only described as an aggravated assault in a media

191
00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,719
Speaker 1: release which went out, which police inside has said was

192
00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,520
Speaker 1: a deliberate measure to cover up sex crimes for the

193
00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,440
Speaker 1: Gunner government. Can I ask why are some of the

194
00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 1: details of these serious incidents not being made public?

195
00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,400
Speaker 2: Katie? There is and there will not be a cover

196
00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,480
Speaker 2: up by Northern Territory Police on behalf of anyone. Offenses,

197
00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:55,520
Speaker 2: including sexual assault, are very sensitive matter. Northern Territory Police

198
00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,720
Speaker 2: are governed by sexual assault evidence and procedures act in

199
00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,000
Speaker 2: relation to what we can really A media release was

200
00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,720
Speaker 2: provided in relation to an incident that occurred on the

201
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,080
Speaker 2: twelfth of January. That release went out on the thirteenth

202
00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,160
Speaker 2: of January. When that release went out, some of the

203
00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,120
Speaker 2: investigation progress was in its infancy. The information provided was

204
00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,280
Speaker 2: in relation to offending of aggravatus of what I can

205
00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,280
Speaker 2: say in relation to that matter, with that going into

206
00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,520
Speaker 2: too much detail, that there was a aspect of indecent

207
00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,440
Speaker 2: assault alleged in relation to that matter, We've got to

208
00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,160
Speaker 2: be very careful about what we provide at into the

209
00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,199
Speaker 2: public space. And bearing in mind that release came out

210
00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360
Speaker 2: while the investigation hadn't been progressed too far. So that

211
00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,720
Speaker 2: was the information that was available at that time. And

212
00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 2: the distinction is sometimes caudy in between public interest and

213
00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,760
Speaker 2: what the public might find interesting. We've got to be

214
00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:00,360
Speaker 2: careful about the victim's identity, the offender's identity, and large

215
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,080
Speaker 2: to fall within certain primeters legislation that exists in Northern Territory.

216
00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,320
Speaker 2: And that's what we've done, Tony.

217
00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I am going to have to leave it there. Unfortunately,

218
00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,920
Speaker 1: we've run out of time. I've got to play the

219
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 1: ads before we choof off to the national news. Appreciate

220
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,040
Speaker 1: your time today, and I understand you're going to be

221
00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,760
Speaker 1: heading off to Alice Springs.

222
00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,320
Speaker 2: Correct a change of scenery back to the center, Katie.

223
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720
Speaker 1: Good on you, and well, I'm sure we'll probably be

224
00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,959
Speaker 1: catching up with you while you're down there anyway, Tony,

225
00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,080
Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time.

226
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,840
Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, good morning.

227
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,800
Speaker 1: That's the Northern Territory Police Acting Commander there, Tony Doutram