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Speaker 1: This is jem Nation, were jen Esy and on land

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Speaker 1: millions of people I've been tuning in every day to

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Speaker 1: watch this case. It's easy to forget there are two

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Speaker 1: flawed humans involved here, whose mental health, their lives, their careers,

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Speaker 1: all of that we're watching all play out, and everyone's

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Speaker 1: got an opinion on it. It seems that they're wrapping

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Speaker 1: up now that we've heard. Well, this is Johnny Depp's

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Speaker 1: attorney in the last days.

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Speaker 2: On May twenty seventh, twenty sixteen, Miss Hurd walked into

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Speaker 2: a courthouse in Los Angeles, California, to get a no

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Speaker 2: notice ex party restraining order against mister DApp, and in

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Speaker 2: doing so, ruined his life by falsely telling the world

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Speaker 2: that she was the survivor of domestic abuse at the

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Speaker 2: hands of mister DApp. Today, on May twenty seventh, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, exactly six years later, we ask you to

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Speaker 2: give mister Depp his life back by telling the world

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Speaker 2: that mister Death is not the abuser Miss Hurd said

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Speaker 2: he is, and hold miss Heard accountable for her life.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's Johnny dips it to me. And

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Speaker 1: here now is Amber Herd's attorney.

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Speaker 3: In her final words, mister Depp simply cannot prove to

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Speaker 3: you that he never once abused Amber. And if you

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Speaker 3: don't know, you have to return a verdict for miss Hurd.

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Speaker 3: A ruling against Amber here sends a message that no

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Speaker 3: matter what you do as an abuse victim, you always

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Speaker 3: have to do more. No matter what you document, you

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Speaker 3: always have to document more. No matter whom you tell,

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Speaker 3: you always have to tell more people. No matter how

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Speaker 3: honest you are about your own imperfections and your own

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Speaker 3: short companies in a relationship, you need to be perfect

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Speaker 3: in order for people to believe you. Don't send that message.

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Speaker 1: And that's what people are saying. I'm listening to a

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Speaker 1: woman who has represented victims of sexual offenses. She's saying,

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Speaker 1: clients don't often don't want their real names used in

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Speaker 1: public court filings. They have a fear that they will

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Speaker 1: be live stream. They have a fear that they'll be

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Speaker 1: public opinion about them. I saw a psychologist saying, actually,

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Speaker 1: she is a professor at Standford Law School. Allowing this

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Speaker 1: trial to be televised as a single worst decision I

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Speaker 1: can think of in the context of intimate partner violence

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Speaker 1: and sexual violence in recent history. This is the message

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Speaker 1: it's sending is people are having opinions on whether they

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Speaker 1: like Johnny Depp and whether they think she's lying, as

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Speaker 1: if we would know, as if we should be seeing

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Speaker 1: any of this, as if this should be our opinion

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Speaker 1: in any way. I saw that Sam Burgess's ex wife,

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Speaker 1: so Phoebe Burgers, she said that she got this comment

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Speaker 1: on the weekend. Get a new story, you absolute loser.

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Speaker 1: Your children all despise what you have done. Australia's very

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Speaker 1: own Amber heard. And that's the danger is that women

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Speaker 1: now who speak out are going to be vilified as

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Speaker 1: trying to ruin a man's life. Anecdotally, it seems to

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Speaker 1: me that a lot of women are on the side

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Speaker 1: of Johnny Depp and we shouldn't be seeing it. We

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be looking at how charming and funny he can

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Speaker 1: be and they're looking at her face and saying she's lying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should be seeing any of this.

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Speaker 1: This is not our business to see