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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam.

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Speaker 2: The pub test today. Surrogacy in Australia does it pass

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Speaker 2: the pub test? We had Lisa and Sarah on yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Sarah had Lisa's baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she carried a baby for Lisa, who was a

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Speaker 3: very good friend of hers. In Australia, you can only

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Speaker 3: do this in what's called altruistic surrogacy. No money changes hand,

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Speaker 3: an expensive process by the time you pay the medical fees,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. But you cannot pay a surrogate in America.

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Speaker 3: Their entire systems set up with all the background checks,

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Speaker 3: et cetera to make this possible. We do not have

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Speaker 3: that here in Australia. What do you think surrogacy, legal, surrogacy,

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Speaker 3: paid surrogacy in Australia does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 1: And my wife we've been training for kids for about

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. My wife's been for a lot of ivs

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Speaker 1: plus my wife had four miscarriages in as trying to

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Speaker 1: find a so good mum has been hard. Like my

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Speaker 1: wife's just given up on the whole idea of kids.

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Speaker 1: It should be legal in Australia. It has to float

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Speaker 1: to America to help people have a family.

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Speaker 4: Of course, it passes the pub set. It should be

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Speaker 4: happening in Australia. If you want to have a baby,

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Speaker 4: don't want to have a baby, doesn't matter how it happens.

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Speaker 5: Just do it.

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Speaker 4: Australia get on board at twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Personally no, because Slippers and the bothers from the Sorrow

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Speaker 5: Good Family years old, I think, Okay, do you love me?

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Speaker 5: Or does Washer loved me? Or so why did Washo

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Speaker 5: get similiand up to who can help me? It's just

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Speaker 5: through confusing.

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Speaker 6: I've called for the right subject because my mum was

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Speaker 6: a sarag At forty years ago and had twins for

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Speaker 6: a couple who could not have kids. I'm all for

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Speaker 6: it because the end result in my story was there.

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Speaker 6: My mom was the biological mother, their non biological mom

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Speaker 6: passed away and my mum has been with their dad

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Speaker 6: for the last twelve years. So I'm all for it.

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Speaker 6: It makes happy families and it creates new lives.

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Speaker 3: That's a story that See. The thing is, if it's

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Speaker 3: done altruistically in Australia, by and large, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be somebody you know. Therefore, you're going to get these

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Speaker 3: emotional attachments. Maybe in America you don't have to know

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Speaker 3: the people who are providing the egg or the surrogacy,

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Speaker 3: so I think the emotions might be easier. That sounds

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Speaker 3: like a story has ended up beautifully for that family.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes it is easier if you don't know to

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Speaker 3: handle all those emotions.

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Speaker 2: Sarah and Lisa's book is available by the way. It's

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Speaker 2: called The Power of Two