1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: On today's show, Abby Chatfield slams the media as she 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: confirms breakup with Conrad Bin Stevens, the decision behind, Lauren 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Curtis downsizing her engagement ring, and Emma Clare's rogue bridesmaid. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and I think I've looked at every single 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: pink item of clothing the internet has to offer. I'm 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: currently looking for an outfit for my Barbie Hen's party 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: in a couple of months time. There's almost too much choice. 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torbert, and I want to give a little 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: tip to anyone else who's doing a bridesmaid's proposal at 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: the moment, So this is going to turn into a 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: wedding podcast. But I have found incredible boxes at this 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Japanese store called Dazo. It's at a lot of department stores. 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: They have a huge variety, and at the moment, I 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: don't want to give away what I'm doing for you guys, 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: but clear boxes are very in according to TikTok, and 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: they're quite cheap. So I'm kissing we're getting a clear box. 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I can't wait. This is in a month's time. I 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: think that we find only get these proposal boxes. I'm 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: counting down the days and I'm AMU Taubert and I'm 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: currently in hot water with my partner day or for 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: my actions in a dream. So I'm really feeling for 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: Martha Callifetitis right now because I don't know if you 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: guys heard on her partner Michael Brunelli's podcast, she had 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: a dream about her ex and it's really broken Michael's heart. 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you open up about this because if I've 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: ever had a dream about my ex, I never told 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: my part I would keep that in. It's not like 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: you can help her pops up in your dreams. I mean. 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: The thing is, she did say it wasn't a sexual dream, 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: so I feel like that probably would have changed things. 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: I could understand why your partner would be annoyed at 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: you in that case. I actually think this dream was 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: worse though, because she told Michael that in her dream, 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend kept leaving her in a place and 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: that she felt like she couldn't get to him, and 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: she thought to herself, why do I want to get 39 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: back to him. See, I feel like that's probably one 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: of the worst dreams you can have about your excess 41 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: so much that can be read into it, but I 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: think men would be more offended by a sex stream 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: to be apore. I see, this one's kind of bad 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: because you can read into a lot of the symbolism 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: of like why do I want him back? Well, Michael 46 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: did google this particular dream, and he said that it 47 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: just hurt his heart looking at the responses. He didn't 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: even want to read them out. So of course, nosy 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: me I googled it and apparently the ten reasons for 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: having this dream range from you have unresolved feelings towards 51 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: your ex to something in your life is making you unhappy. 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: So not a great response when you do jump on 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: the old Google. The thing that also makes it worse 54 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: is that this ex's name is actually tattooed on Martha. 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if she's actually got it removed yet, 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: but I think she was going through the process of 57 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: potentially removing it. I mean, the thing is, I can 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: kind of understand why she would have had a dream 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: with him in it, considering that his name is tattooed 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: on her, like she'd always be dreaming as a constant reminder. 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: It's actually pretty brave of Michael to put it out 62 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: there because there is the potential for the ex to 63 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: hear about said dream and maybe reach out to Martha. So, Kate, 64 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: have you had a dream about your ex? 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 66 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: To be honest, I was popped up in my dream, 67 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: and I think only not nothing. So I'd say that 68 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: he might listen to this and reach it, but only 69 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: because he recently keeps following me and unfollowing me on 70 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Instagram to make like I think he's trying to get 71 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: into my head. So what is your dreaming? 72 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: No? 73 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: No, he's literally just popped up in it, and like 74 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: because to him and you just no, not at all. 75 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: The thing is, I think it's because he'll randomly like 76 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: photos of mine really late at night. So sometimes I'll 77 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: get up to go to the toilet and I'll look 78 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: at my phone and it says so and so has 79 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: liked your photo, and it's like really late at night, 80 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: and then when you're like, why the fuck fuck off? 81 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: And then you know your mind's thinking about that person, 82 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: not in a good way when you fall asleep. I 83 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: used to always have a dream. This is regarding my 84 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend that he would cheat on me. But then 85 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: I'd have dreams that I'd cheat on him. So I 86 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that was when you were together. This 87 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: is when we were together. Yeah, I don't know if 88 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: that's a pretty toxic relationship. So Amy, what are you 89 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: in trouble for? In Dale's dream? What did you do? 90 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm on Love Island? Apparently, isn't that hilarious? I reckon 91 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: listeners will find that funny because all we do is 92 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: talk about Love Island. This has been so ingrained in him, 93 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: is even having nightmares about it. Let's tart to some audio, 94 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: because I actually captured him telling me about the dream. 95 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 96 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: It was just weird. It was like, I think I 97 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: was busy working so I couldn't see you, and then 98 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: you had told me that you were going onto Love 99 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: Island or something and you had to last two weeks. Obviously, 100 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea the concept of the show, 101 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: but yeah, and it was like everyone was. 102 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you know, that's all sweet, that's fine. 103 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: Even Mum was just like, oh that's so good. 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: Good. 105 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: And then so then we meant to catch up just 106 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: before you went in. But then I couldn't because I 107 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: was late or something, so I didn't even get to 108 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: see you. But I could still message you, or I'll 109 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: send you a letter or something. 110 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: It's weird good on Dale's mum. At least she was 111 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: supportive of you're going getting on Love Island. I mean, 112 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: you probably would have earnted millions of dollars off it. It 113 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: could have been good in the long run, because it's 114 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: quite a common thing where people do have partners and 115 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: just you know, for their career go on Love Island. 116 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: I do love that Dale apparently sent you a letter 117 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: in the dream as well. The funniest thing is Dale 118 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: has never seen an episode of Love Island, so for 119 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: him to be dreaming about it just blows my mic. 120 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: I've never grown up thinking, oh my god, what's my 121 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: wedding dress going to be? 122 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Like? 123 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: What kind of wedding am I going to have? Who 124 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: will I married my prince China? I have never ever 125 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: fantasized about that. 126 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: Lauren Curtis has revealed she's replacing her blingy engagement ring 127 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: with a simple diamond band amy What has caused her 128 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: to make this decision, Well, Lauren told her followers that 129 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: she just couldn't get used to the feeling of having 130 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: such a large rock on her finger. She said, it 131 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: just kept getting caught on everything. First world problem. So 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: I know, it just illustrates how bloody big this ring 133 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: is as well. And she said that she's just not 134 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: used to wearing jewelry and she didn't want to associate 135 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: the feeling of annoyance with the ring. So for those 136 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: who haven't seen it, it is a pretty big diamond, 137 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: and so why say diamond. It's actually mosernite. So it's 138 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: a mosernite rectangular rock as you would say. And I 139 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: think it's pretty interesting that she decided to choose mozzanite 140 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: and actually promote it so much, because I think we're 141 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: so used to influencers getting such large engagement rings but 142 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: not actually telling us whether they are diamond or if 143 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: it's a lab diamond. And there's a lot of snobbery 144 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: around it. Well, apparently her partner, Reese, was trying to 145 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: be a little bit snobby. He was like, no, no, 146 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: I want to get you an actual diamond, but she 147 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: was like, no, I do not want one over my 148 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: dead body. Are you getting me a diamond ring? Because 149 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: she said they're just such a waste of money, and 150 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: she wanted to put that money into her house. And 151 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: she also said I would just be happy if it 152 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: was Cubic Xeconian. She's not a big jewelry person at all. 153 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: That's actually quite rare to hear, but it is interesting. 154 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: I think people are moving away from the diamonds, maybe 155 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: into lab diamonds or mozernite rings. It's a great idea. 156 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: I was actually looking at wedding bands and I was 157 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: talking to the jeweler and asking, so, what are the 158 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: differences between a diamond and lab diamonds? And he was 159 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: saying how his boss had been very against bringing lab 160 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: diamonds in, but he actually said now they make up 161 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: probably fifty percent of engagement rings at a purchase. Because 162 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: I think it's all about Instagram, because he said, so 163 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: many people want the bigger diamond look. And the thing 164 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: with lab diamonds is I believe that you can only 165 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: tell the difference by actually testing the diamond. In terms 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: of look and the actual toughness of the diamond, there's 167 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: no difference. But don't you think it's something like a 168 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: guy just couldn't go out and buy a mos and 169 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: I or a lab diamond. I feel like the girl 170 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: needs to say, oh, no, I want one. Yeah. I 171 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: mean there would be an element of awkwardness if your 172 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: partner proposed to you with this massive rock and then 173 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: there was like that explanation of oh, actually it's moz 174 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: Andie or it's a lab diamond. Like I think that 175 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: their conversation needs to be open between the couple about 176 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: what would it be their preference. I don't necessarily think so, 177 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: because everyone knows what Most people do know their partner's 178 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: financial situation, sof they're pulling out a ring that looks 179 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: like it's worth a meal, you're sort of like that. 180 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: But that's what I mean because for some people it's like, 181 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: actually I would really like a very showy engagement ring, 182 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: where other people are much more traditional and would prefer 183 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: it to be a natural diamond. There is also the 184 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: ethics behind it, because lab diamonds are much more ethical. 185 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: See that's a good one. I'm just after an ethically 186 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: sauced ering. It was funny because when Brandon proposed to me, 187 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: when we were chatting about the ring after, he's like, oh, 188 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: I hope it's big enough. I just thought if it 189 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: was any bigger, it might be a bit ridiculous and 190 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: get caught on things. I just was thinking, I mean, 191 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I do actually have really small hands, so I don't know. 192 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Maybe people Lauren Curtis has small hands and this ring 193 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: is just over the top. I'm interested if she is 194 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: downsizing her engagement ring. Is she now getting a natural diamond? Well, 195 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: she's tossing up between whether to get diamonds or mos 196 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: and I and these will be little mosernie or little 197 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: diamonds around the ring. I'm I'm a fan of those bands. Yeah, 198 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: and she's actually getting her original ring made into another 199 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: piece of jewelry. Another one to catch on things. Yeah, 200 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: another one not to wear. But do you know what, Kate, 201 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: you were saying, how refreshing it is to hear an 202 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: influence to actually talk about not wanting to spend heaps 203 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: on a ring. She's also said that she is considering 204 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: hiring her wedding dress because she just thinks the whole 205 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: thing's a waste of money. Oh yeah, I saw that 206 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: she's not really into planning it either. Everyone's like, oh, 207 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: have you planned your wedding yet? I mean, maybe she's 208 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: a bit like you, Amy, Is that why you haven't 209 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: planned anything? Or is it No, I just haven't planned anything, 210 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: has just been doing stuff on my house, just priorities. Well, 211 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: I was listening to Life on Cut and Maddie Jay 212 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: is actually the one planning his wedding to Laura because 213 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: he used to work in events, which I completely forgot. 214 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: And Laura said, yeah, she's got no idea what's happening? 215 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: Mate? 216 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: Jay has been doing it all. That's refreshing. That refreshing 217 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: because literally, I think Reese's only job at the moment 218 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: is to organize his suits. And also we're getting like 219 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: a twelve seat of bus to take the groomsman down 220 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: to the venue. And do you think any of those 221 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: things have been locked in? It's like the last thing, 222 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: what are we going in? He's a one, but he 223 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: organizes weddings. Hey, what are we going into the wedding? 224 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: Look that is undecided. I cannot actually, I couldn't believe 225 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: how much wedding cars costs. They're like a couple of grands. 226 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I reckon, we're just going to drive in my keya. 227 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: It's a newspaper. I just said, drive to Ikea. I 228 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: was like, they're not going to show you. Oh my god. 229 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: I just thought for your hens party, and we've got 230 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: to organize a really gross, like hot pink hummer for 231 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: the Barbie Coore thing for my Hensburg. 232 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: There's been obviously a lot of speculation about my relationship 233 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: and a lot of articles and rumors and everything, and 234 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: I just, I guess wanted to confirm that, Yeah, comrade 235 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 4: and I are broken up. We've been broken up for 236 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: a couple of months now. 237 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: On Saturday night, Abby Chatfield confirmed what media have been 238 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: speculating for weeks now that she and Conrad Bim Stevens 239 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: had broken up. Abby slammed the media's obsession with her 240 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: breakup and open relationship, calling out a news dot Com 241 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: reporter saying she had no integrity and was a shit journalist. 242 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: So for the timing of this announcement coincided with Conrad 243 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: coming back online after a stint with TV show The Challenge. Yeah, 244 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: that's right. He did make a return to Instagram on 245 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, and then Abby made the announcement on Saturday night. So, 246 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: as you said, Kate, he has been out of the 247 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: country filming Channel ten's Reality showed The Challenge. And this 248 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: is where a lot of the rumors and speculations started 249 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: because sources were claiming that Conrad was hooking up with 250 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Megan Marx, who also appeared on The bachelotte One fantastic 251 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: advertising for this show. I saw the cast list drop 252 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram today across a lot of people that I follow, 253 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: and I will definitely be tuning in. I feel like, 254 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: is this going to be the new Bachelor? Because I 255 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: don't think anyone gives a shit. Well, it's apparently running 256 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: in place of The Bachelorette was a fantastic I did 257 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: by Channel ten. Now back to Conrad, so with him 258 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: back in the country, maybe they've had now a chance 259 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: to speak about how they'd like to break the news 260 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: or what I'm more leaning towards is Abby perhaps wanted 261 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: to get in before Conrad and turn the narrative towards 262 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: the media's treatment surrounding the breakup instead of the rumors 263 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: about why they broken up, because she didn't really give 264 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: too many details about what caused the breakup, and it 265 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: was unusual for them not to release a joint statement 266 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: because that's what a lot of reality stars and celebrities 267 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: do seem to do so at the time of recording, 268 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Conrad hasn't actually commented on the breakup at all. I 269 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: think Abbi was trying to play it down, though I 270 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: feel like if you release a joint statement, it's sort 271 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: of making it very very serious. Well, she said she 272 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to write something on her story and she 273 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: just wanted to say it quickly. But I feel like 274 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: by having a bit of a rant about the media 275 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: like she did, and I'm not saying she wasn't within 276 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: her right, that's obviously it's obviously a hard time for her. 277 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: As much as she's saying it was amquabal and it 278 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: was a few months ago. I think it's quite clear 279 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: from her response and the fact that she's human that 280 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: she's really hurting from this, as you would. But I 281 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: just think that she gave the media more to work with, 282 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: particularly by slamming them, because if you get slammed, you're 283 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: like fuck this. I mean, she might have thought if 284 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I just say something now, then they'll write all their 285 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: pieces and then they'll get over it. Well, she did 286 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: say that the timing was a bit out of the 287 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: blue and odd, but I actually think the timing makes 288 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: sense due to the fact that Conrad was back in 289 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: the country. So what she actually did say about the 290 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: breakup was that it happened a couple of months ago. 291 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: She said no one did anything bad or awful and 292 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: that there's no drama. She then addressed a lot of 293 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: that commentary surrounding the open relationship and that being a 294 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: cause for the breakup, and she said I had absolutely 295 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. I did find Abby's commentary 296 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: around the paparazzi pretty interesting in her Instagram stories because 297 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: she was saying a part of the reason she wanted 298 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: to confirm the breakup was she didn't want to be 299 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: caught out with someone else on a date and the 300 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: media run with that. And I do feel pretty sorry 301 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: for her because she does seem to have a lot 302 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: of paparazzis stalking her out. There seems to be pictures 303 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: of her looking sad, out and about, and it would 304 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: be really frustrating to have this narrative created off the 305 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: back of you just being photographed out. I mean, if 306 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: I was photographed during my breakup, God, I would just 307 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: look devastated the whole time, and I really wouldn't want 308 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: that published again, though, I can see the other point 309 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: of view that she has really put her relationship out 310 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: into the public as content on her podcast. Well, she 311 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: did talk a lot about the media's got your moment, 312 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: and that made me think, I wonder if the paparazzi 313 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: captured her out on what it was like in the day, 314 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: and maybe she was getting in because it seemed very 315 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: odd to put it out on Saturday Night, passed that 316 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: off as being in an open relationship because she spoke 317 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: about on her podcast how she had actually slept with 318 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: someone after the logis and it all seems to have 319 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: turned to shit in terms of her relationship since then. 320 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: So you know, it's hard not to speculate if you 321 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: think about it. They're airing, you know, the Daily Mail's 322 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: writing stories that Conrad is cheating on her with Megan 323 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Marx is painting her to be the victim. Maybe she 324 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to be painted as a victim anymore. And 325 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: I do feel for her with the fact, as you say, 326 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: so many paparazzi following her. There's so many opportunities for 327 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: this gotcha moment. That's why she came out when she 328 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: got off The Bachelor and said that she had had 329 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: an abortion, because she didn't want anyone to use that 330 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: information against her. That's why they also came out and 331 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: spoke about their open RelA relationship because she didn't want 332 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: the paparazi snapping photos. He's over it, though, but when 333 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: you do say, oh, yeah, she has put a relationship 334 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: out there. The main reason that she probably felt like 335 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: she had to talk about her open relationship was because 336 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: she didn't want the media publishing articles that Conrad or 337 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: she were cheating one that and I also think it 338 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: was quite an important conversation to have because it kind 339 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: of it's making open relationships not so taboo. I think 340 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: there's been so much interest in this relationship because from 341 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the get go it's been making headlines like if they 342 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: like it or not, the fact that they announced their 343 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: relationship the week of the Bachelor finale, and then the 344 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: feud that erupted between Brook and Abby. This relationship was 345 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: always going to have a lot written about it, particularly 346 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: because Abby decided to date Conrad, who was just fresh 347 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: off the Bachelor, like it was a high profile relationship 348 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: at the time. And I'm not saying I don't feel 349 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: for her, because it would be so shit having your 350 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: breakup splashed all over the media and people writing this 351 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: and about it. But again, unfortunately, I do think it's 352 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: part and parcel of being a celebrity, and you know, 353 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: as much as I would hate it if I was her, 354 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: it's just something I think that she's obviously going to 355 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: learn from, because she said she's not going to be 356 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: putting a relationship out Andy anymore. Yeah. Well, the thing 357 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: that I don't think she liked as well was the 358 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: fact that some people were sort of making their relationship 359 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: into a game, like they guessed correctly that they'd broken up, 360 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people were kind of 361 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: happy about it, which I think happens during high profile relationships. 362 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Conrad was quite sought after when he was 363 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, so I do feel for her in that. 364 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: So I just don't get it because I thought they 365 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: were so cute together. So my natural reaction was being 366 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: upset because I really enjoyed seeing them with Marco and 367 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: the way they supported each other through that. So yeah, 368 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I didn't get the people celebrating it. Well, she didn't 369 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: say that she didn't want any followers writing to her 370 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: that love is dead now and all that sort of shit, 371 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: because she said, look, we dated for ten months, it 372 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: ended in pretty normal circumstances. I don't want everyone roy 373 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: antasizing this relationship I think it's hard though, because from 374 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: someone who's listened to a lot of Abbie's podcasts before, 375 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: she spoke a lot about her ex boyfriend that she 376 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: loved and gave so much in depth details. Obviously, she 377 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: kept his identity a secret, but I think I feel 378 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of us have been on the ride 379 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: with her, and that's why we were so excited when 380 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: finally she had this boyfriend that was happy to take 381 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: her out and treat her well. And I think that's 382 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: why there is this huge interest in it, and it's 383 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: hard not to be interested because you feel like you've 384 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: been given all these little tidbits and you feel part 385 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: of the relationship, even though these people have nothing to 386 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: do with it. We were also part of her relationship 387 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: with Matt Agnew on The Bachelor, and I think that's 388 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: also why people are so invested in Abby, because she 389 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: does let you into her whole life. You feel like 390 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: you know everyone, and that's when things sort of start 391 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: to change when someone does become Because she probably is 392 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: one of Australia's biggest celebrities at the moment, and now 393 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: she's getting to the stage where she's got the fame, 394 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: she's probably got the money she's got, the brand is 395 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: that come with it. But now she's realizing that in 396 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: order to have those things, she loses a lot of privacy. 397 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, she's got people following her NonStop, so she's 398 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: now experiencing the shit side of fame. And now she's 399 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: probably going to retract a little bit from the public art. 400 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: But I wonder how that will go for her brand, 401 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: because her brand is somewhat oversharing and being really relatable. 402 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: So if she then decides next time she gets into 403 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: relationship not to share that, I wonder if she sort 404 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: of starts to become irrelevant. I think she will share, 405 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: but I think she'll do what she did with the 406 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend that she loves. She just won't name people. Well, 407 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: we've seen Alex Cooper do that very successfully. She appears 408 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: to be dating someone that is quite well known in 409 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: the US, and she has a code name for him. 410 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that's a great idea for Abby. 411 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: Next time the thing didn't quite sit well with me 412 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: was when Abby decided to single out and news dot 413 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: com reporter by the name of Mary Madigan, and she 414 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: had done this opinion piece which was entitled Messy Reason 415 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: Abbi Chatfield and Conrad b and Steven have likely split now. 416 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: Mary is a freelance writer and she also writes for 417 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: publications like Mama Mia and I had a look at 418 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: some of the content that she usually writes, and she 419 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: often speaks about stories from her own experience. So she's 420 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: talked about dating as a plus sized woman, fat phobia, 421 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: she's experienced some feminist topics, and also her own sex life. 422 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: Now in the article, Mary opened up and said that 423 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: she actually had experienced an open relationship herself, so she 424 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: was dating someone who was in an open relationship was 425 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: allowed to date others, and she said that she found 426 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: the experience to be really awkward and clunky, and she 427 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: said that if the rumors turn out to be accurate 428 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: about Conrad and Abby, she said that she wouldn't be 429 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: surprised because open relationships are really messy and complicated and 430 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: hard to sustain. So as part of the article, she 431 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: then included a quote from a relationship expert that said 432 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: that ninety two percent of open marriages end in divorce, 433 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: so it was quite obvious in the article that she 434 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: thought perhaps this open relationship had led to the split. However, 435 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't actually think that she was particularly nasty or mean, 436 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: or she made anything up. Yeah, she was basically using 437 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: this rumored breakup as a hook to talk about open 438 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: marriages and open relationships. And we've got to remember that 439 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: usually it's the editor that comes up with the headline. 440 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if Abby has just read the headline 441 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: and God on the defense, because it would be hard 442 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 1: with Abby knowing obviously what's gone on in her relationship 443 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: for people to be putting it out what they think. 444 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: So I understand that, But again, I think if you 445 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: are going to put your open relationship out there and 446 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: try to use it as an opportunity to educate people 447 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: on them, I think you need to understand that that's 448 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: going to create think pieces on open relationships, regardless of 449 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: whether you agree with the sentiment or not. I think 450 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: we've got to get into what Abbi said about this journalist. 451 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: For those who didn't actually listen to the full breakup statement, 452 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: here's what she said. 453 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 4: This whole situation, and the media have reported on it 454 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: and writing like twelve hundred word long opinion pieces on 455 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: why my relationship ended with the quote of Messi because 456 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: this person calls it Messi as though some there was 457 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 4: a source saying that it was messy. It wasn't messy, 458 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: had nothing to do with the open relationship. So if 459 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: you could just not write opinion pieces and put words 460 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: in my mouth and words in Conrad's mouth because you 461 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 4: want to have a clickbait article, or you yourself are 462 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: scared of open relationships, that would be great because I 463 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 4: will probably be in an open relationship again. So act 464 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 4: you know what, keep writing it, keep writing it. Have 465 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: you a sad little career. Also, this is the piece 466 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: I'm talking about by Mary Madigan. I'm sure who you are, 467 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: but you have no integrity and you're issue journalist because 468 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: you're just making things up and writing an article about 469 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 4: it and convincing yourself that open relationships to the devil 470 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: through me. 471 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: So it was a little bit patronizing, particularly because I 472 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: don't think Abby has actually looked into this woman's career, 473 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: because she does seem to be quite a good opinion 474 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: piece writer. It's so tricky because I obviously have been 475 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: through a breakup before, and I know when you're in 476 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: the midst of it, you feel really upset, and if 477 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: anyone speaks badly or says something that you don't agree 478 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: with even like say, for example, you've been broken up 479 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: with and people are like, oh, they were a shit 480 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: person and you're better off without them. That can piss 481 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: you off on a certain day. So I think, you know, 482 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: you have to be really careful when people have got 483 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: potentially a broken harder or going through something difficult. It 484 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: probably just boiled over because she has been having to 485 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: keep a tight lip over this for the past couple 486 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: of months. It would be hard not to explode in 487 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: rage when all these articles are coming out about you. 488 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: You're being followed on your daily walks. You know, everyone 489 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: has an opinion on it. Perhaps she was more pissed 490 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: off at some of the followers who constantly have been 491 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: bombarding her inbox the message over the fame game. To 492 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: be honest, I'm so excited for all the new dating 493 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: stories though to come out. I know she said that 494 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: she's not going to open up, you know, specifically put 495 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: their names out there, but I reckon she'll have a 496 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: lot more content to speak about now that she's single. 497 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just posted these photos on Instagram and the 498 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: Tumblr esthetic is coming back in full force. 499 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: The tumbler aesthetic is making a comeback with celebs and 500 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: influencers embracing the look across Instagram. In the early twenty tens, 501 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: teenagers flocked to the site, which allowed them to curate 502 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: their own customized blog. So what exactly is the Tumbler aesthetic? 503 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: Because I was never on Tumblr, Well, this sort of new, 504 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: refreshed twenty twenty two Tumblr esthetic. It's sort of being 505 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: described as the opposite of what Instagram has been for 506 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: the past ten years. So instead of being really curated 507 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: and having everyone face tuned, the Tumblr aesthetic is this 508 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: very effortless look. So basically it looks like you've rolled 509 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: out of bed, You've got tussled hair, you're wearing a 510 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: basic white tea, but you look great. Is that sort 511 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: of effortless vibe. And a big part of the look 512 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: is the quality of the photo on the pose. So 513 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: instead of looking like you've had a full blown professional 514 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: photo shoot like a lot of the influencers, look like, 515 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: the photos are more candid and in the moment. And also, 516 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: this cracked me up. You know the Mac photos back 517 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: in the day where you do like a photo booth, 518 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: photo shoot on your old Mac. This is the sort 519 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: of vibe that the photos are. They're very blurry look 520 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: like they've been taken on a mac I almost feel 521 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: like this is the no makeup makeup look. You know 522 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: how boys are like, oh, I love girls that don't 523 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: wear makeup, and it's actually no, they are wearing makeup, 524 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: but it's taken a lot of effort to look like 525 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: you're not wearing makeup. But feel there's a lot of 526 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: effort involved in looking effortless for this look. Yeah, definitely. 527 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: And one celeb who is leading the charge with this 528 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: trend is Gigi had did and she recently did this 529 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: sort of photo dump of Tumblr inspired photos dump anyway, 530 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: So in the photo she has like really messy hair, 531 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: it's all over her face. She's also lying in bed 532 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: and looking away from the camera and the photos are 533 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: so blurred. As I said, again, they've been taken on 534 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: a MacBook. So I do think it's really interesting how 535 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: we're all obsessed with the early naughties right now, and 536 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of us it's because we're 537 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: feeling really new nostalgic about those times. You sort of 538 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: look back and think, oh, wow, there were such simpler times, 539 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: but at the time they weren't that simple. At the time, 540 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: they were quite complex is it because everyone's realized how 541 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: shit they look on the new iPhone, Like it's just 542 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: it's just there's too much going on, Like it's a photo. 543 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: It's terrible. It shows up every pore everything you hate 544 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: about your skin. And also I have to say, at 545 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: the moment, I feel like the disposable cameras and the 546 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: sort of film cameras are very in I think for 547 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: that reason too, because the flash kind of blurs you 548 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: out a little bit, and I didn't realize so Sofa 549 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: Dofha was posting this TikTok video about her taking photos 550 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: on a film camera with their friends. They were all 551 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: out and about having fun. It was very nostalgic. Anyway, 552 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: someone wrote, how do you get those photos onto your feet? 553 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: So apparently like if you take into big w they 554 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: will send you an email of the links to the 555 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: photos so you can share them on Instagram. I just 556 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: assumed they were like scanning them on their phones. Yeah, 557 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: me too. I feel quite in vogue now because I 558 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: brought an old like flip camera to your house the 559 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, I felt like you were trying to 560 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: be a twenty year old blogger. 561 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 4: Little was it? 562 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: Panasonic camera? 563 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 564 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, I brought it because I thought I love going 565 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: and watching old family videos, you know that are just 566 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: like the camera just runs and all the yeah yeah, 567 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: So I thought i'd do that for Father's Day. Well, 568 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: I do think that one of the reasons we all 569 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: are looking back so much at this time as well, 570 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: is because it was the first time that we all 571 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: had a digital footprint, so we were all jumping online 572 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: for the first time, and it all felt very fresh. 573 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: So now it just feels old and overrated. I hate 574 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: everyone on there. In Tumblr, it was also that people 575 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: would share more, so people would repost stuff and you'd 576 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: read into it. You'd be like, oh, what's that. I 577 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: always wished I got around tumblet because I feel like 578 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was a big person on Tumblr and she'd 579 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: always find the Swifties on there and send them a 580 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Christmas presents and send them special messages. And I never 581 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: got it, Like I still don't get Tumblr, Like I 582 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: understand it's about you having a blog, but I felt 583 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: like I wasn't deep enough to have Tumblr. There was 584 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: so many way first we were too old to have 585 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: tumble Well. I think also with the rise in apps 586 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: like be Real, people are starting to gravitate more towards 587 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: this sort of effortless moment versus a curated one, because 588 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: I think it seems a bit cringey when someone has 589 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: spent all this time setting up a photo shoot or 590 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, in the past, we've seen influencers rock up 591 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: at mansions that aren't their own to capture this look, 592 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: and it kind of seems very try hard to have 593 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: those sort of pictures out there. Sorry, but the pictures 594 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: that they're clearly taking on their MacBooks are taking a 595 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: long time. Oh yeah, but it looks effortless and it's 596 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: funny because have you guys heard of this TikTok called 597 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Coco Moco. I actually have. She's been showing up in 598 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: my fe page on Tiicto. She's great, So she's sort 599 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: of put this prediction out there and she's really cool. 600 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: I definitely recommend going and following her. So she works 601 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: in the media and she's made a career off accurately 602 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: picking what the next trend is. So she has over 603 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: six hundred thousand followers, and she does seem to be 604 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: onto something because on TikTok, the hashtag twenty fourteen Tumblr 605 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: has been trending, and also the hashtag Tumblr esthetic. So 606 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: it's obvious that kids like Jen Zettas are really into 607 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: trying to recreate this look too. I really enjoy her feed, 608 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: but it cracks me up that you say I think 609 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: she's onto something because she does put out so many 610 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: videos that surely won out of you know, one hundred 611 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: would be correct and on the money. 612 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: So I had this friend once and we were super 613 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: super close. 614 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: We literally did everything together, and we also had a 615 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: podcast together as well. 616 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: We were literally like inseparable. 617 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Everyone knew us together. Influencer Emma Claire has revealed that 618 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: one of her bridesmaids allegedly stole money from her and 619 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: then did a runner. Emma made this revelation in a 620 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: TikTok that has been viewed over six hundred thousand times. Kate, 621 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: what apparently happened here? So we need to rewind back 622 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, those post pandemic days. So Emma said 623 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: that she was super super close with this friend at 624 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: the time, so much so that she made her her bridesmaid. Now, 625 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: this friend was put in charge of booking the accommodation 626 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: for m There's three day Hens weekend and two weeks 627 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: before the Hen's party, Emma received a message from this 628 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: friend starting drama with her. She then got this panicked 629 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: message from her bridesmaids that were all a part of 630 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: a group chat, saying that the same friend was trying 631 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: to create drama in there. All of a sudden, this 632 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: woman just went silent and all the girls started stressing 633 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: out because she wasn't replying to them, and they're thinking, shit, 634 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: she's the one that's meant to be planning the actual accommodation. 635 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: So the bride'smaid and Emma Clair's partner decided to ring 636 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: up the accommodation and change the name on the booking 637 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: just in case. But when they rang up, they found 638 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: out that there was no accommodation book There was actually 639 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: a family that were booked into stay at this place, 640 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: and so this girl had run off with five thousand 641 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: dollars worth of the bride'smaid's and Emma Claire's money, well 642 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: allegedly an you supportant to stay. Imagine having to relay 643 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: this to your friends, because sometimes when you do get 644 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: invited to a hen's party and then you see the 645 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: cost of it, sometimes when it's over one hundred bucks, 646 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 1: oh fuck you, Like this is ridiculous. But then, like 647 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: imagine the stress of having is like, sorry, everyone, your 648 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: money's gone. Yeah. Well, they were very stressed out, so 649 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: they decided to ring the friend's mother. Now this is 650 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: where things get interesting because without even flinching and with 651 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: no questions asked, the mother just transferred the five thousand 652 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: dollars to them. So yeah, and then Emma and her 653 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: bridesmaids worked out that the friend had blocked them on 654 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: everything and since then they have not heard from this woman. 655 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: This is so she's just this opportunist. That's just sorry. 656 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: So she's just this opportunist that's been trying to get 657 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: into a hen's party to control it, to steal the money. 658 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: That's I think I'd want to make a bit more 659 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: than five grand to have to pull off something like this. 660 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: That's how embarrassing. How long was she friends with them for? 661 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: This is where it gets interesting. So it's really awkward 662 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: because Emma hasn't named the friend, but she did drop 663 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: on TikTok that she used to host a podcast with 664 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: the said friend. To be fair, that's just as good 665 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: as now aiming her because everyone can go back and 666 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: have a look. Well, that's exactly what I've done because 667 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: Emma said that. She said everyone knew them as a 668 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: pair and like they were together, so a bit of 669 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: a timeline. So Emma made the unnamed friend a bridesmaid 670 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and the Hen's party was hurled in 671 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: early March twenty twenty, so unfortunately, Emma's wedding was subsequently 672 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: postponed due to the pandemic. And it's quite ironic she 673 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: actually ended up having a second Hens party anyway, So 674 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: back to this whole podcast thing. Emma currently hosts a 675 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: podcast called The Fuck It Diaries with her best friend Christie. 676 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: Now it is not Christie because this podcast launched in 677 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: May this year and is currently still airing. However, from 678 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: my digging, Emma also co hosted another podcast in twenty 679 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: nineteen called The Boss Moves Podcast with E squared. Now, 680 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Emma hosted this podcast with I believe the said rogue bridesmaid, 681 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: who we won't name. She's no longer in the public 682 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: eye and currently Emma's story is disint allegation, so I 683 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's a bit unfair if we name her. 684 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: But people can look into it themselves if they like, 685 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: because it's pretty easy to find. But I totally want 686 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: to go and listen to this podcast. Well, I have 687 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: listened to a bit, and the tagline of the podcast 688 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: is two women striving to live their best lives and 689 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: provide you with a chance to take a risk. Let's 690 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: make Boss Moves together. Was that a boss move? Totally 691 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: ripping off your friends, stealing money from them from well, 692 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: it's definitely a risk. Yeah. So the thing is, I mean, 693 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: we're quite certain that the person that allegedly did this 694 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: is the co host of Boss Moves, And I feel 695 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: like a lot of people are put two and two 696 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: together because the comments were disabled from the TikTok video. Now, 697 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: another influencer who came out with a pretty similar story 698 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: of betrayal from her friend this week was Chloe Morello. 699 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: So I found it really strange that these stories kind 700 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: of coincided. So Chloe has her own story. So her 701 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: friend allegedly stole makeup from her. This is absolutely wild. 702 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about Why would you steal make up from 703 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: a huge makeup influence that they usually have so much 704 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: they'd probably just give you exactly, So how much of 705 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: the makeup did she steal? Okay, So this is as 706 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: I said, wild, So in fact, will take you back 707 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen. So Chloe said that her friend from 708 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: the UK came over to stay with her, and they're 709 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: so close that this girl spent Christmas with Chloe and 710 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: her family, and Chloe began noticing that makeups were starting 711 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: to go like makeup products were starting to go missing, 712 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: and she was just hoping that maybe it was her 713 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: roommate's dog that was stealing or she mispating. She had 714 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: this wying, this gut feeling that it was this girl, 715 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: so she decided to wait until she went to the 716 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: UK to confirm her suspicion. So Chloe ended up staying 717 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: with this friend and she literally walked into this girl's 718 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: bedroom and all of the products that this girl had 719 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: stolen were on display, and there was like there were 720 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: like products that actually had Chloe's name on them. So 721 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: Chloe said, I knew they were mine because many were 722 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: rare and special editions or had OZ only labels, and 723 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: then in brackets, our SPF is different my shade and 724 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: hers was very different. And she also took a Chloe 725 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: EGP that was engraved with my name that was a 726 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: gift from a brand, Laugh Out Loud Psychotic it was 727 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: like they were almost trophies or something. And then why 728 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: would you not pack them away if you knew that 729 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: the girl was coming over, Like, it's not like she's 730 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: just popped in, She's actually flown over from Australia to 731 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: stay at your house. We do not feel bad if 732 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: you'd stolen from a friend as well, Like if I 733 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: stole something, I couldn't have it in my face all 734 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: day long in my bedroom, Like what bad karma? 735 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: I know. 736 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: Well, apparently Chloe just played it cool for the rest 737 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: of the afternoon and stayed the night, but at two 738 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: am she decided to get a cab and leave because 739 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: she was so freaked out that this girl had done it. 740 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: She said that she literally stolen kilos of products from her. 741 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: That is true, though you would get really freaked out 742 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: even with the girl who just disappeared with the five 743 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: grand You know, this whole friendship has been a complete lie. 744 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: But also like it's even more psychotic the fact that 745 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 1: she's got it all on display like that and hasn't 746 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: even you know, she has no care that Chloe's obviously 747 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: putting two and two together. Well, apparently a lot of 748 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: friends came out of the woodwork, we'll former friends of 749 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: this girl and shared some other crazy stories about what 750 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: this girl had done. What do you guys think about 751 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: Emma and Chloe calling out their former friends. I know 752 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: time has passed. I think that's the key. I think 753 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: that enough time has passed for them to open up 754 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: about it, at least in this situation. Chloe didn't give 755 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: hints as to who it was, but in saying that 756 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: if a friend totally betrayed my trust in the way 757 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: that these friends have, I probably would want to call 758 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: them out for their behavior. What about warning others as well? Yeah, 759 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: that's true. The thing is, I think where Emma Clare 760 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: went wrong was saying that she hosts a podcast with 761 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: this girl, because I think people wouldn't have been able 762 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: to put two and two together. So I feel like 763 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a deliberate dropping me 764 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: fast and maybe she's heard word that this girl's, you know, 765 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: doing similar stuff to other people and wants people. Maybe 766 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: we had a similar situation named this. I'm not going 767 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: to air all the details here, but it wasn't It 768 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: wasn't a friend, but it was someone who was kind 769 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: of wanting to be a friend, and she'll say she 770 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: didn't steal from us, but I was really freaked out 771 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: because this person came to my house. And then we 772 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: later found out that she was posing as a psychologist, 773 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: and I think that's enough set on that. No, but 774 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: do you know what, we got a strange vibe from her. 775 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: You can instantly tell something. Over one day, we were 776 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: meant to be recording the podcast and this woman would 777 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: not leave, and I was just like, why is she here? 778 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: That it was all tangled in with work stuff, and well, 779 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: thank goodness we have come to the end of the podcast. 780 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: Because we did get interrupted, i'd say four times from 781 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: some little girls on Amy Street who was selling lemonade. 782 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: It was very cute, the very entrepreneurial lemonade. So they came. 783 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: They first came asking if I wanted a cup of 784 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: lemonade for fifty cents. I gave them a dollar as 785 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: a tip. They then returned with the cup and they 786 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: said they would take the cupable I know. And then 787 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: they came in said that they were giving them money 788 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: to the Koala funds. So if Kate and I was 789 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: swearing and here the bloody kids are back again. I 790 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: just thought they were trying to make money. To get toys, 791 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: and they came back for a third or fourth time 792 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: to give a voucher that's written on cardboard, got one free. 793 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: But they saw that we were inside the window. We 794 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: had two angry voices swearing as that's so smart. But yeah, 795 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: probably don't need them knocking for I do we need 796 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: them to work for Hula Media amy some marketing A 797 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: Well it's so smart though, because the other day they 798 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: came around and they asked for eighteen dollars for some 799 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: cookies to raise the same It was the same thing. 800 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: You're a sucker. Your house is earmarked for cash. One 801 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: of those girls to them, though, Can you when I 802 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: would girl guide cookies coming? Because I'm actually quite hungry 803 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: the idea, I have no idea. Maybe follow the little 804 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: girls up now. 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