1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Now it is time for the week that was and 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning. We've got the 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: opposition leader, Leofanocchiaro, Good. 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Morning, good money. We've got Maddie Hepworth, our news director, good. 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: Morning, wanting Katy morning all and making. 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Her week that was debut. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: We've got the Attorney General of the Northern Territory and 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: also the Minister for Corrections and a couple of other things. 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: I believe Selena Rubo. 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 4: Good morning, wanting Katie. Good morning to your listeners. 11 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: Great to have you all in the studio with us 12 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: this morning. And I tell you what, it's always a 13 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: busy week, There's no doubt about it. I do just 14 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: want to go to some news which has broken this morning. 15 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Though we know that there's a serious crash that's occurred 16 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: on the Stuart Highway in Catherine. There are traffic diversions 17 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: in place, including southbound heavy vehicles being diverted along the 18 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Victoria Highway. Southbound light vehicles are being diverted via Lindsay 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Street onto Charmers Drive. Now all northbound traffic is being 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: diverted via bi Centennial Road, so if possible, please avoid 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: the area. The crash is currently under investigation and please 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: drive safe and to the conditions. 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: Maddie. You might have a little bit more detail for 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: us from this morning. 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, reporting on this a little bit earlier 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: this morning, a rather horrific incident where a car has 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: collided with a light pole. Now as I understand that 28 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: car has actually caught fire. After that's happened, police managed 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: to extract both the driver and the front passenger. Fieries 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: were then actually called to extract the two rear passengers. 31 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: They were flown to Darwin in a critical condition as well. 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: So that's the latest we have at this stage. If 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: any further information comes to hand, particularly on those two 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: critical passengers flown to Darwin, we'll bring that to. 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: You, Maddie. 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Do we have any idea at this stage from the 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: watch commander the ages of the people involved in that 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: crash or what you know, any further detail at all. 39 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: No, No, I did ask that this morning. I also 40 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: asked whether the vehicle was stolen or not police so 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: there was no reports of any stolen vehicles overnight. But 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: I know that major Crash unit from Darwin are actually 43 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: traveling down to Catherine to investigate that further. 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Today Selena. 45 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Obviously it's near your neck of the woods. Have you 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: heard much about this incident at this stage. 47 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 5: No, I haven't, Katie, but thank you for the update. 48 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 5: I'll make sure if i'd. My network's a bit concerned because. 49 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I live. 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 4: Absolutely we'll find some more information. 51 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's pretty pretty scary stuff and I believe 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: we are going to be catching up with the Northern 53 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: Territory Police, hopefully just after ten o'clock this morning, to 54 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: get an update on that situation. 55 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the. 56 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Police, we did catch up with them earlier in the week, 57 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: following on from a number of people being assaulted and 58 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: cars smashed, as well as shops damaged in a rock 59 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: throwing attack in Darwin City. Now, this incident happened at 60 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Woolworth's Darwin City around three on Tuesday afternoon. It comes 61 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: after a good samaritan attempted to intervene in the assault. 62 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: The offenders returned a short time later, then throwing rocks 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: at the man and innocent bystanders in that shopping center. 64 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: As I said, several car and shop windows were smashed 65 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and a seventeen year old male was arrested before being 66 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: released into the care of a family member, as I 67 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: understand that police are still searching for another two sixteen 68 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: year old offenders. Look, I think that this one took 69 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: everybody by surprise, given the fact that it happens so 70 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: like at three o'clock in the afternoon on a day 71 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: when you know, many of us go to that shopping 72 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: center and you know, whether you've got kids or you don't, 73 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: you go there at that time of the afternoon to 74 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: do your shopping. 75 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: And it seemed like a really brazen and terrible incident. 76 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 6: It was unbelievable, Katie. 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 7: I mean, someone sent it to me whilst I was 78 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 7: in estimates, and certainly I asked the Police Minister and 79 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 7: Police Commissioner about the incident on the Tuesday. But you know, 80 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 7: this type of offending, the severity and the violent nature 81 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 7: of the offending we're seeing is quite frankly scaring the 82 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 7: bejeepers out of people. 83 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 6: You know, Like we've gone from being worried. 84 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 7: About crime, worried about being broken into and generally taking 85 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 7: precautions for our own homes, to now seriously thinking twice 86 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 7: about leaving the house. I mean, it's out of control. 87 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 7: Our police have done a great job, but again, the 88 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 7: brazen nature of it. This happened in broad daylight a 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 7: few meters down the road from police headquarters. You know, 90 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 7: it's just this government has to start taking tougher measures 91 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 7: to act as as stronger deterrent so that people know 92 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 7: there are consequences if you do the wrong thing. 93 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: Well, look, it certainly doesn't you know, it doesn't bode 94 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: well when you you know, you put together some of 95 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: the incidents that we're seeing all around the Northern Territory 96 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: at the moment. I know, Alice Springs, well, the council's 97 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: actually calling on the government to consider the Alice Springs Well, 98 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: they've voted to call on the government to take further 99 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: steps to address the town's crime problems. 100 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: That's what's being reported in the NT news today. 101 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: We know, we've spoken for quite some time about the 102 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: issues being faced in Alice, but there's also been you know, 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: people in the rural area, we know in Karama as well, 104 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: and there is a real perception that it is youths 105 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: that are doing the wrong thing. I mean, Selena, do 106 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: we need to really take a look at the way 107 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with youths at the moment and try 108 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: to do things differently. 109 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 5: Absolutely, something that we're committed to in regards to the 110 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 5: reform and youth justice. We know that one crime is 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 5: one crime too many, and we don't want any territory 112 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 5: and to feel unsafe, whether it is in their own home, 113 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: whether it's out doing their daily business or in their workplace. 114 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 4: It's absolutely a borran behavior. 115 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 5: When we see incidents like the recent one that you've 116 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: just outlined, what I can say, we know that is 117 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 5: a whole of government approach, something that we need to take. 118 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: Responsibility of of government, which is what we're doing. 119 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 5: We have various agencies working across together because we want 120 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: the territory to be safe. We want people in the 121 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 5: territory to be safe, and particularly our visitors to the 122 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: territory to feel safe. So it is a big body 123 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 5: of work and it's something we're committed to. 124 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: Katie Le. 125 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: There was a lot of questions that you asked during 126 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: parliamentary estimates, specifically a lot of questions I think about 127 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: about you when they're on parole and you know some 128 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: of the concerns that members of the public have about 129 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: that parole well, you know the parole legislation. Did you 130 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: get many of the answers to the questions. 131 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 6: No, we didn't. 132 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 7: And just going back to Selena's point, No, the government 133 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 7: this week in estimates talked a lot about this interagency cooperation. 134 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 7: But when it came to the crunch when I asked, 135 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 7: you know, I asked you, Selena, a set of questions. 136 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 7: I asked the Police Minister of the same set of questions, 137 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 7: and we asked the Territory Families Minister the same set 138 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 7: of questions. They all pointed to each other as being 139 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 7: the ones who could answer the question. 140 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 5: Just correctingly that I did answer the two sections that 141 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: were related to my departure, yes, and directed you to 142 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 5: the correct that's right, but again the correct department. 143 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 7: The department you said is the correct one then said 144 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 7: it was yours. So you know, I really question and 145 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 7: challenge this concept of the interagency cooperation. Also it came 146 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 7: to like in me answering questions about how many youths 147 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 7: have been arrested, how many who were arrested were bailed, 148 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 7: how many have been convicted. A lot of the answers 149 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 7: I got from the three different ministers who were asked 150 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 7: talked about having to get manual data. Now this is 151 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 7: a real problem. It shows that the government isn't actually 152 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 7: tracking the meaningful data because they have to literally flip 153 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 7: through spreadsheets to try and work out who's repeat offending. 154 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: So do you mean that if there is if there 155 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: is a young person who's in the care of Territory Families, 156 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: let's say, and there is an offense committee, that there 157 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: is no way of them being able to track that. 158 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: The police, the Territory Families, the Justice Department of being 159 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: able to actually track that online. 160 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: It's all done manually. 161 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 6: No, it's not all done manually. 162 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 7: They obviously they collect a lot of data, but data 163 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 7: around repeat offending and so how many times someone's arrested 164 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 7: in one twenty four hour period, how many times someone reoffended, 165 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 7: or during a certain timeframe, how many people were successful 166 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 7: in their diversion or otherwise. A lot of that data 167 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 7: has to be manually cross checked across the system. 168 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 8: I mean. 169 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 7: One other thing that came to light, which I found 170 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 7: unbelievable is the fact that if there's a breach of 171 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 7: bail by someone in the you know, territory Families under 172 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 7: youth just looking after that person, they're contacted by the 173 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 7: electronic monitoring company and then they ring one three one 174 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 7: triple four to let police know about the breach of bail. Now, 175 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 7: that doesn't smack of agency cooperation to me, and I 176 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 7: found that really astonishing. That breach of bail is a 177 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 7: process where it's run through to the one three one 178 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 7: number and then left for police to action. So I 179 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 7: think there's a lot of work that still needs to 180 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 7: be done in this space. 181 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: It sounds like there needs to be some work in 182 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: that space. 183 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: Is absolutely Katie already years we know that we inherited 184 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 5: a dysfunctional youth justice system when we came to. 185 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: Government twenty sixteen. 186 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 5: Our Labor government's been working extremely hard to bring those 187 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 5: agencies together. 188 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: There was a very. 189 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 5: Concise and informative answer from our very hard working public 190 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 5: service about our statistic system and in terms of the 191 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 5: database and why it may take time. The questions that 192 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 5: were asked by the COLP opposition were quite specific, so 193 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 5: we want to make sure, of course we're answering the 194 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 5: correct information, which is why we it may take time 195 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 5: to answer those But there was a very concise explanation 196 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: for the reason why we put those codes in and 197 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 5: get that data. So I hope the opposition leader was listening, 198 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 5: because she wasn't in the room at the time. 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 6: Oh well, can I just be saying. 200 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 5: About information, because when we're asking specifics, we want to 201 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 5: be open and transparent and accountable for that. 202 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: But the database that we have we are improving. 203 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: We're also working out my agency across with police for 204 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 5: a new improve I think it's one hundred million dollars 205 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: in the new serve pro system which is being worked 206 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 5: through with three different agencies, so we can have that 207 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 5: data at hand and that it's it doesn't take a 208 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 5: lengthy time to access. 209 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 7: On the questions I asked, Katie, I asked these questions 210 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 7: in Parliament a month ago. I have been publicly on 211 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 7: the record in a number of forums, including in Parliament, 212 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 7: saying these are the questions I'm going to ask in estimates, 213 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 7: Bob Ready, I've asked a a witness, you know, I 214 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 7: asked them. I tried to ask the Chief Minister about crime. 215 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 7: He wouldn't answer a single question. I then asked the 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 7: Police Minister my question. She wasn't ready with the answer. 217 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 7: She had to take them on notice. I then asked you, Selena, 218 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 7: the questions you answered a couple. The rest were either 219 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 7: on notice or diverted to territory. Families we asked territory 220 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 7: families again and I think from memory they were all 221 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 7: taken on notice, including the question around how many youth 222 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 7: in the care of territory families have been arrested. So 223 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 7: if people aren't tracking this type of data, it shows 224 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 7: a complete lack of will to want to understand and 225 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 7: get to the bottom of the question. 226 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: Back, Katie, the data is being tracked. 227 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 5: The specifics of the questions that were asked in estimates 228 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: are the answers that are being taken on how. 229 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 6: Are you not ready? 230 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 7: How are you guys not ready for those five or 231 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 7: six questions I asked, I mean i'd asked them so. 232 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: To me, the skeptic in me thinks that it may 233 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: not be a situation where they're not ready, but it 234 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: may be a situation where it may be a feeling 235 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: for the government that the answers aren't overly palatable to 236 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: the public. 237 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 5: No, the data is there and the specifics will be answered. 238 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 5: So it takes a bit of time, as we mentioned, 239 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 5: because the systems aren't all aligned. 240 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 4: That's a bigger body of work that we're working on 241 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: in government. 242 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 7: I want to bet that the questions come out over 243 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 7: Christmas in New Years when the government thanks, everyone's too 244 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 7: busy having Christmas. 245 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 5: Partitions will come when the time and response deadline before 246 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 5: I'll be waiting. 247 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: Madie, what were you going to say? Mate? 248 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: We obviously report on crime and numbers and statistics every day. 249 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: It's part of the news cycle. And what I've noticed 250 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: over the last few years is you get probably every 251 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: six to twelve months, we get to a point where 252 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: things reach boiling point and the public get really frustrated 253 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: and they've had enough. And I think the rock throwing 254 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 3: incident in the middle of the day probably. 255 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: Reached the peak of that. 256 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: And I think what's been unfortunate for the government this 257 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: week is with a lack of answers around some of 258 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: those questions and estimates, that is now fueling more of 259 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: that anger at the moment. 260 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: And one of the big things that comes up very 261 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: regularly is parole and whether that does sorry bail, whether 262 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: there does need to be some change to those bail laws. 263 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: Now. 264 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: We did catch up with the Minister of a Territory 265 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Famili's Kate Warden, earlier in the week. Now she had 266 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: said that the police have wanted those bail changes in 267 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: place when they are implemented, but We then spoke with 268 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: the Police Association's Paul McHugh. 269 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: Take a listen to what he had to say. 270 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: Whilst you know the Minister's saying there was wholeheard support 271 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 5: for that, I'm not sure that's. 272 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: Actually the case. 273 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 9: And I know the feedback we're getting from members on 274 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 9: the ground is, you know, it needs to be looked 275 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 9: out again because it's just not working right now. 276 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: So is it time for us to be looking at 277 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: these bail laws again. I mean, I would think that 278 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: we need to try to make it as as helpful 279 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: as possible for the Northern Territory Police to be able 280 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: to do their jobs. We all understand that the response 281 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: when it comes to crime, any crime, but specifically youth 282 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: crime as we've been talking about, you know, I understand 283 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: that it does need a real whole of government, all 284 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: agency approach. I think we all understand that. But I 285 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: want to talk about the pointy end here. You know, 286 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: when we've got a situation where there are you know, 287 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: to use an example, the rock throwing incident in the city, 288 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: or if we've got a situation where there are you know, 289 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: youths have broken into two numerous homes and the public 290 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: is feeling really very upset and like there does need 291 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: to be a consequence to that, you know, do we 292 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: need to look at this bail legislation and maybe modify thanks. 293 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 5: This is something that has come up through the Abitual 294 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 5: Justice Agreement draft that we are finalizing. 295 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: It is an area that. 296 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 5: Has come up through over one hundred and fifty consultations 297 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: across the Northern Territory that it is a piece of 298 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 5: legislation that needs reviewing very much. Look forward to the 299 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 5: work that will continue in the in the justice space 300 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 5: next year and for the four years of this term 301 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 5: of government, but it is an area that we're looking 302 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 5: to reform. Anyway we can do business better in the 303 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 5: Northern Territory, that we can continue to make territories feel 304 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 5: safe and be safe in the territory will be a 305 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 5: priority of this label is. 306 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: That to potentially reform some of these bail laws at 307 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: the moment, because I believe they only came into effect 308 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: within the last six or twelve months. So are the 309 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: government openly looking at going you know what, potentially we 310 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: made the wrong decision here and that's something that we 311 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: could reverse. 312 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 5: This is something that we look for when we're consulting 313 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: with key stakeholders, particularly the legal profession, what's actually practical 314 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 5: and when something is implemented through legislation, there is a 315 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: review process often and then if things are working well, 316 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 5: of course it's great, but we're not afraid to look 317 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 5: at amendments if we do need reform in the space 318 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 5: to do things better. 319 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 7: What I want to see and which I asked Kate Wooden, 320 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 7: the Minister of a Territory Family's Use Justice yesterday is 321 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 7: a review of the prescribed and non prescribed defenses under 322 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 7: the Use Justice Act. So how it works is if 323 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 7: you charge with a non prescribed defense, then you have 324 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 7: a a presumption in favor of balt so Baylor's geared 325 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 7: towards the offender if they're charged with something in that list. Now, 326 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 7: the list of prescribed defenses is incredibly severe, and I 327 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 7: think more of the types of crimes that are on 328 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 7: the non prescribed list need to move across into the 329 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 7: prescribed list so that at the very minimum us are 330 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 7: only having a neutral presumption so they rock up to 331 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 7: court and it could go either way. So there's a 332 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 7: lot of work that needs to be done here. We 333 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 7: need to be supporting our police. I mean, something that 334 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 7: came out of estimates this week. Is that, of course, 335 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 7: police are that agency that can't say no. Everyone else 336 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 7: can sort of kick the can around and you know, 337 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 7: push things off and let another agency take the load. 338 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 7: But ultimately the people left carrying the can are our 339 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 7: hard working police who are stretched to the absolute limits 340 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 7: at the moment. Not only have they got anywhere up 341 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 7: to one hundred people on borders and providing COVID response, 342 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 7: but we've already got challenges in remote policing, challenges to 343 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 7: keep you know, the number of cars we need out 344 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,359 Speaker 7: on the road. Of course, we've got the Darwin Watchhouse 345 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 7: closed at the moment because of resourcing issues, so when 346 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 7: police make an arrest they've got to take them out 347 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 7: to the Palmerston Police station. We've seen all the challenges 348 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 7: in Alice Springs that are taking place, and so you know, 349 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 7: whilst the government talks about, you know, it's tackling these issues, 350 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 7: the evidence is just not on the ground. People don't 351 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 7: feel safe, people are seeing more and more terrible things happen, 352 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 7: and it's just an absolute lack of commitment on the 353 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 7: government's behalf. 354 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 6: To get this right. 355 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a very short break. You are, 356 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: of course listening to Mix one oh four point nine. 357 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: It is the week that was and in the studio 358 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: with us this morning, Leafanochiro, Selena Rubo and Maddi. 359 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 9: Hepworth three sixties the week that was thanks to Kalana 360 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 9: caring for the community from the top End to Tenant Creek. 361 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: It is Friday, and it is the week that was. 362 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning, Leofanochi Aro, Selena 363 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Rubo and Maddie Hepworth. And I tell you what, Selena Ubo, 364 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: you gave a few people. You made a few people 365 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: a bit wild this week with the announcement that the 366 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: government's controversial changes to the Residential Tenancies Act are set 367 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: to be implemented, meaning the presumption in favor of rental 368 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: tenants keeping pets unless landlords have reasonable grounds to refuse 369 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: tenants requests. Now, we caught up with Quentin Killian from 370 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: the Real Estate Institute of the Northern Territory yesterday. 371 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: He has stood very firmly. 372 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: Against these changes, saying that it's going to bring out 373 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: absolute chaos. 374 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: Maddie had a few good lines yesterday on the show, 375 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: didn't he. 376 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: Lama's in Mamas in lound rooms, turtles in toilets, and 377 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: I think there was a piece in the paper again 378 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: today that said there could be have camels in your 379 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: backyard camels that was the line possibilities. 380 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Well, and look, I guess that was the concern from 381 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners throughout the week. 382 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: They were worried, you know, And I think it really 383 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: came down to. 384 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: They feel as though the voice as homeowners, if they've 385 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: got a property that they rent, that the choice has 386 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: been taken away from them. And you know, there are 387 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot of property owners who would be more than 388 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: happy to rent their homes out or their units out 389 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: to people who. 390 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: Maybe do have a dog or a cat. 391 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: But again they felt as though that choice had been 392 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: taken from them. 393 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: Minister, why was this change implemented? 394 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: So this actually, this piece of legislation actually passed in 395 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 5: February of this year in the previous legislative assembly. The 396 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: enactment of it, the commencement of the act was delayed 397 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 5: because of COVID. We had urgent legislation which we had 398 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 5: to put through obviously because we're in a global pandemic. 399 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: So this was changes that were coming. 400 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 5: The amendments to this particular piece of legislation over eighteen 401 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 5: years old, so it hadn't been reviewed in over eighteen years. 402 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 5: It'll commence on the first of January. That section is 403 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: one section of the Tennessee Act, which is obviously the 404 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 5: high community interest in that area. 405 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 4: There's other part. 406 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 5: Arts of the Act which are also amended, which is 407 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 5: a big body of work. So I just want to 408 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 5: acknowledge that I know Quentin is a very strong advocate 409 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 5: for the stakeholders that he represents through his membership. Our 410 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 5: job of government is to represent all territories. 411 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: Was there a push from anybody to actually have this 412 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: change because it seemed to me like it's not broken, 413 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Why does it need to be fixed that particular part 414 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: of the Act. 415 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 5: What we're concentrated on, of course, is representing the whole 416 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 5: of community when we're doing anything that is in the books. 417 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: Like a group, was there a group that came forward 418 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: that said we really want this section of the Act changed. 419 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: What we've tried to do through the amendments of this 420 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 5: legislation is ensure that there is a balance that is 421 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 5: struck between tenants and landlords. We know the benefit of pets, 422 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 5: we know the social emotional wellbeing benefits which we've seen, 423 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 5: particularly through COVID. 424 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: I think that's been quite obvious. 425 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 5: What we've wanted to do is make sure that we 426 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 5: have tenants and landlords represented fairly through this. And this 427 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: is the balance that we've been out with. 428 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Tell you what, though, there's a lot of landlords who 429 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: would be thinking, well, this isn't fair for me. I'm 430 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: shouldering all the I'm shouldering all the risk, I'm shouldering 431 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: the responsibility in terms of obviously owning that home, paying 432 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: for the council rates, paying for everything else that's associated 433 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: to having that property. And now that choice has been 434 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: taken away from me. 435 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 5: And I just why you just want to clear this up, Katie. 436 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 5: It is still the choice of landlords of who rents. 437 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 6: Still properties Rummish. 438 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 5: The process of being able to go through those applications 439 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 5: is still at the other day, the choice your choice. 440 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: If somebody is living in your property and they decide, 441 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: all right, well, I want to get a pet. Now 442 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: I've been living here for three months and I actually 443 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: want to get a pet, is it the choice of 444 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: the landlord? 445 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 6: There no. 446 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 5: If the landlord feels that it is an unreasonable request, 447 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 5: they have the right to go through the process, the 448 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 5: mechanisms and take that. 449 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: But to see that's the whole thing, Like then you go, well, 450 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: then you've got a situation as a landlord where if 451 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: then your tenant goes and buys a pet, you then 452 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: you don't actually have a leg to stand on. 453 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: You've got to then go through that process. 454 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to get at is I don't 455 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: understand why it was changed. And that's the question that 456 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners are asking. And I think 457 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: that most responsible homeowners are more than happy to rent 458 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: their homes out to people with pets if that's their choice. 459 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: But you know what, if. 460 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: You're somebody who owns a home, you're away for a year, 461 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: you've decided to rent it out, you're severely allergic to animals, 462 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and somebody moves in who doesn't have a pet, then 463 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, three months later, they've got one, 464 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: and you don't have an option of getting rid of it. 465 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 5: There will still be conditions to those applications which will 466 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 5: go through to the landlords. They will have the ultimate say, 467 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: there's just a mechanism now in place to be able 468 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: to go through the process. 469 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: I can see Leah shaking her head. I'll let you, 470 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: I'll let you have a crown. 471 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 6: In and tell the truth about this. 472 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 7: What an absolute crop. Honestly, God, this is what the 473 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 7: situation is. The government pass this legislation in February under 474 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 7: the cover of COVID. It did not commence it into 475 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 7: law because it came under enormous pressure eight thousand signatories 476 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 7: to a petition, huge public backlash. So what happened coincidentally 477 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 7: between February and now an election. 478 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 6: That's why they buried this. 479 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 7: The election's over, they won, and it's read it's ugly 480 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 7: head again. What this law means is that a tenant 481 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 7: can have a pet in their home. If the landlord 482 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 7: does not want that pet, the landlord has to take 483 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 7: the matter to the nt CAT so to a tribunal, 484 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 7: to then wait their term, pay their fees, make their 485 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 7: submissions to the tribunal. The tenant also has to go along. 486 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 7: This adds red tape, cost, stress and struggle for everyone involved. 487 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 7: This is not just landlords who suffer. The tenant has 488 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 7: to then rock up. They both have to make their 489 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 7: case and ultimately the tribunal can decide whether or not 490 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 7: it's reasonable for that pet to be in the property. 491 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: Can you correct me? Can someone correct me if I'm 492 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 2: wrong here? 493 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: I thought that there was a scrutiny committee that recommended 494 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: that this not go through, and then it still went through. 495 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: So again I go back to I just can't understand 496 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: why the change was implemented. It seemed to me at 497 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: the time and I know that this was something that 498 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: was raised at the time. Is that it had happened 499 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: in Victoria. It seemed to be quite popular for Daniel Andrews, 500 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: the premiere down there, and it seemed as though the 501 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: government thought, all right, well, this is something that we 502 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: can do that's going to get the popular vote. 503 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: But it hasn't. I don't think in the territory. 504 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 5: It has gone through in similar jurisdictions, with Victoria and 505 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: the Australian Capital Territory a sixty similar jurisdictions. 506 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: Is that why we did it though, just to sort 507 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: of follow suits. 508 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 5: Not to follow and Dan There are progressive jurisdictions and 509 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 5: there hasn't been a decrease in regards to the rental 510 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 5: market in those jurisdictions since the passing of their legislation. 511 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 5: Northern Territory, we look at the Northern territories context. But 512 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 5: I do want to point out Katie the leader of 513 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: the opposition, did mention the petition of eight thousand of 514 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 5: signatory twenty percent with territory nineteen percent interstate addresses exact 515 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 5: sty one percent from overseas. So it's very disingenuous. 516 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 4: No, it's not. 517 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 7: This shows how incompetent your government represents. 518 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 6: Do you know where a lot of inns. 519 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 5: When over sixty one percent of those signatories to that 520 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 5: petition that was presented in a Northern territory parliament were 521 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 5: not from. 522 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 7: The your government has shown all idea. That's why business 523 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 7: confidence is in the toilet. That's where our economy is 524 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 7: in the toilet, and that's why our budgets in the toilet. 525 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 6: Investors come from everywhere, and you, your government, your government 526 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 6: is sending a message. 527 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 7: Your labor government is following your Maine chairman Dan in Victoria. 528 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 7: Investors come from everywhere. There are territory investors Mum and dad, 529 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 7: property investors who are now worried. 530 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 8: Territory are you talking are talking about talking about you 531 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 8: can bury your head in the German territory bucket that 532 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 8: you live in. The giants stand genu your head even 533 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 8: further down if you want, Can I just say, though 534 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 8: that petition then you guys didn't allow that petition though 535 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 8: to be presented in parliament, did you. That's right, they 536 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 8: blocked it and I had to bring it back on 537 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 8: another occasion. 538 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: But what I look from me, I don't really. 539 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 6: About what are you talking about this? 540 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: We're not from the territory. That's what I'm talking about. 541 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 7: I take a lot of nobody else invest in the 542 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 7: territory because. 543 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 6: I've got news for you. 544 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: You percent of territories with signatories that. 545 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: People tell me on this show, I will go on 546 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: what people tell me on this show, and I can 547 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: tell you yesterday we maybe had two people who called 548 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: that were supportive of this change. Everybody else was very 549 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: much wondering why on earth it had changed. Now, I 550 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: want to point out that I've got I've got investment properties, 551 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: not here in the territory, but in other states. I'm 552 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: more than happy for those people who rent, you know, 553 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: who rent those one of those homes to have a 554 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: pet don't have an issue with. 555 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: It at all. 556 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 6: But it's my choice, that's right. 557 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: And that's the thing that. 558 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 6: Isn't your choice. 559 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: That is a lie. 560 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 6: That is a lie. 561 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: It's not your Childregation acknowledge though that it can be 562 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult for that homeowner then to go through nt CASH. 563 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: If they do end up in a situation where somebody 564 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: moves into that home who didn't have a pitch, and 565 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: then they obviously get a pitch and the owner that's 566 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: maybe against the owner's wishes, it's going to be a 567 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: really cumbersome and difficult process then for them to go 568 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: through to be able to actually take any action. 569 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 5: The process is clear, it's straightforward. On the flip side, 570 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 5: what is the process? 571 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 4: Do you even know what tenants have been having to do? 572 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: So this is the flip side. So we've had this. 573 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: We have more tenants than we do landlords in the 574 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 5: Northern Territory, so this is striking a fair balance that 575 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: they now have this process very clearly. With the end 576 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 5: of the day, the decision is the landlord who rents 577 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: all is living and it's just not true. 578 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 4: There is a clear process. 579 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: So there's not going to be any you're not going 580 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: to relook at this. 581 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: You're going you're not going to sort of to our 582 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: listeners out there today that do own properties that are 583 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: really concerned about this. There's not going to be a review. 584 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: This is a done deal. It's going ahead on January one. 585 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 5: It passed in February, Katie, and it is being enacted 586 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: on the first of January, Katie. 587 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 6: Can I just say a couple of things. 588 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 7: Prior to this law, what the situation was is that 589 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 7: a tenant could negotiate freely with a landlord. So tenant 590 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 7: would go to landlord and say, oh, I've got a dog, 591 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 7: I've got a cat, I've got budgies, whatever it might be, 592 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 7: and it was then up to the landlord to say 593 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 7: yes or no. Now what has happened is that has 594 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 7: completely shifted. The tenant can have the pet and if 595 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 7: the landlord doesn't want it, they all have to trot 596 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 7: off to NTCT and a protracted, expensive and obviously you know, 597 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 7: adversarial situation. This has removed the rights of people to 598 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 7: engage in those negotiations, and of course it's government overreach 599 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 7: at its best. It's now going into the lives of 600 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 7: people who own investment properties. 601 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 6: And that is one huge part of it. 602 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 7: The second part, which the Attorney General clearly doesn't understand, 603 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 7: is about the message it sends about the territory being 604 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 7: an investment jurisdiction. Now, when you want money flows to 605 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 7: the path of least resistance, and when people are looking 606 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 7: at where they should park their money, we need the 607 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 7: territory to be a great place to invest. That means 608 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 7: less red tape, in which this increases red tape exponentially. 609 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 7: It means investor confidence and certainty. This does not create 610 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 7: certainty because of course, someone wanting to buy a property 611 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 7: here is now questioning what control they have. And this government, 612 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 7: in making these laws has not brought in any buffer 613 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 7: to support additional bonds, additional other processes which other jurisdictions 614 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 7: have to ensure that people can recoup more if there 615 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 7: is damage to their property from an animal. 616 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: Can I just. 617 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Ask minister, does this also include public housing? 618 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: Public housing already has the option to have pets. 619 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: So you can just have a pet. You don't have 620 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: it as. 621 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: Long as it adheres to the by laws of that 622 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: council or that municipality. 623 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: So you don't have to get any kind of approval 624 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: to be in public housing with a pitch, as. 625 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: Long as it's within the by laws of the council 626 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 4: or that public housing. 627 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: So on, yeah, I'll just jump here and as a 628 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: renter and say, look, I was surprised at it. Obviously 629 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: as a renter, it would favor me. But if I 630 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: looked at realistically where I live now, in a two 631 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: bedroom apartment on the tenth floor of a city apartment, 632 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: body corporate rules would override this legislation at the moment anyway, 633 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: But it would also be incredibly impractical for me to say, 634 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: then go and get a great day tomorrow. But the 635 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: legislation now would say, well, if you want that great 636 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: day and in your two. 637 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: Bedroom city apart got. 638 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: Assuming that you know there were no body corporate laws 639 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: in place to say that, that would just be incredibly impractical. 640 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there in lies the issue, or there 641 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: in lies the concerns that people have got. But look, 642 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: we're going to take a very short break. Still plenty 643 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: to cover off. We know it's been estimates this week, 644 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: and some interesting bits and pieces of information to come out. 645 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: Will take a very short break. You are listening to 646 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine's three sixty. 647 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 9: It is the week that was three sixties, the week 648 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 9: that was thanks to Kolana caring for the community. From 649 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 9: the top End to Tenant Creek. 650 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: It is just eighteen minutes away from ten o'clock and 651 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: the crews in here with me for the week that was. 652 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I tell you what, there's always plenty of interesting information 653 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: that comes out during estimates week and no shortage of questions. Lea, 654 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I tell you what, you could be a journalist, mate, 655 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: if you weren't a politician. What's a question say to us? 656 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 6: After? 657 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: And there was well, there was some really interesting bits 658 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: and pieces of info that came out. I was really 659 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: interested in the fact that the underground car park, obviously 660 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: next to Northern Territory Parliament, that it blew out by 661 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: more than seven million dollars. Look to me, I thought 662 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: that was a phenomenal amount of taxpayers dollars that we 663 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: weren't aware of. So essentially I was of the understanding 664 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: that it was going to cost nineteen point four million dollars. However, 665 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: it was revealed and the ABC ran this story. ABC 666 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: News ran this story earlier in the week. It was 667 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: revealed at that budget estimates on Tuesday evening that the 668 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: total cost of that car park ended up being twenty 669 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: six point seven million dollars. It was due to to asbestos, 670 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: as I understand it, but look, I you know, I 671 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: just wonder if there's ways that we can actually manage 672 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: tendering slightly differently. 673 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: So that we don't end up with this kind of blowout. 674 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if this was a private project, somebody would 675 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: be in a lot. 676 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 6: Of travel, Absolutely they would. 677 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 7: And this above ground underground car park has just been 678 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 7: I bet the government's regretting every. 679 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 6: Wanting to build it. 680 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 7: It has just been saga after saga, And of course 681 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 7: you know, we've asked the minister a number of times 682 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 7: and most recently and I think s the estimates. Just 683 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 7: before Parliament we asked Minister Lawla how much did this 684 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 7: thing cost? And she said nineteen million dollars in lo 685 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 7: and behold, just a couple of months later, it's now 686 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 7: twenty six million, a seven million dollar blowout. And I 687 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 7: don't know if it's as much to do with the 688 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 7: tendering as it is the government digging its heels in 689 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 7: and not wanting to have egg on its face. We 690 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 7: all saw this thing being built. We were all told 691 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 7: it was going to have flat grass on the top. 692 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 7: And then I remember Katie, I think we were on 693 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 7: week there was and we said started talking about, oh, 694 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 7: can you see structures coming out of the ground, And 695 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 7: then sure, enough the structures started being built. Then we 696 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 7: asked in Parliament, all what's going on with the car 697 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 7: park and we were told it was going to be 698 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 7: a sculpture garden and then it became a giant mountain. 699 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 7: And that's where seven million dollars gets you. 700 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: Well, look, it's just a huge blowout. I mean when 701 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: you look at things like that, that's seven million. 702 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: Dollars and like I said, it's taxpayers dollars. When I 703 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: know that they're different buckets of money. But for me, 704 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: I always go back to you know, earlier this week 705 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: we had people calling through who've had real issues getting 706 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: through the health system, trying to get to see the 707 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: pain management team because they're being told that it's understaffed. Now, 708 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: when you look at those different buckets of money, again, 709 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: I understand that they are different. But when you look 710 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: at the way that people are feeling at the moment 711 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: in terms of maybe not being able to get the 712 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: health care that they're chasing, and then you see that 713 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: seven million dollars has been blown out on a car park, 714 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: it makes people question priorities and you know, you think 715 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: to yourself, you want to make sure if you live 716 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: here in the territory that you're able to get that 717 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: health care and you're able to get whatever care you need, 718 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's for your children or whether it's fearself. 719 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: And it just seems like a misuse of fun. 720 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 7: It is and this is why we have eight point 721 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 7: four billion dollars dead, Katie, because something like a car 722 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 7: park can blow out by seven million dollars. We had 723 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 7: a bus stop being moved on cabin Igh Street. The 724 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 7: bus stop got moved to another spot and then moved 725 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 7: back to the same spot it started with and that 726 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 7: was nearly five hundred thousand dollars. 727 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 6: Of course, we've got the twelve million for the grand Stand. 728 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 6: The list goes on and on and on. 729 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 7: And this government talks about people having to do it tough, well, 730 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 7: they've got to be responsible about their spending too, and 731 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 7: that's when we talk about waste. This is exactly what 732 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 7: we're talking about. Seven million dollars is a waste that 733 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 7: is an a grade first class waste of money. 734 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 6: And this government doesn't care. 735 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 7: It's not changing its ways and that's why we've got 736 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 7: eight point four billion dollars debt. 737 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: Well, Minister, one of the areas where a lot of 738 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: people are wondering about cost is at the Darwin Correctional Center. 739 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 5: Now, can I just add to the under go for 740 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 5: a park just one underground above ground car park. Well, 741 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 5: actually it was advertised as one of the COLP points 742 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 5: for if you want to be an advisor for the 743 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 5: country Liberal here. 744 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 6: We go, now you're running. 745 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 5: You get an underground car park and the new government's 746 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 5: underground was undercover car park. 747 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 4: Thank you. Three front and sentention. 748 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 2: Diversion. 749 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 6: Where do you find a seven million? 750 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: The interest rate? 751 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 5: I want to point out to listeners close to three 752 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 5: million of that seven million dollars was unexpected costs in 753 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 5: regards to the removal of asbestos. We know the health 754 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 5: issues around asbestos. There are variations on projects. Unfortunately they 755 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 5: can be unforeseen. This is one area in particular. 756 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: It's a massive variation. 757 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 5: An important one to note that part of that in 758 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 5: terms of asbestos and the legacy that we have unfortunately 759 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 5: because of that major issue in that and that health 760 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 5: issue that comes with asbestos was the safe removal of 761 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 5: it from the site. 762 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: Is there close some kind of safeguard in place in 763 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: terms of the Miley Point playground that's being developed, because 764 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: I think the concern then is you know, you look 765 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: at Parliament House obviously you know you expect that there 766 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: is going to be a spestos in that area. I 767 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: think anybody expects when they build or when they do 768 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: any project in the Northern Territory that it's going to 769 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: be a fact. 770 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 2: But at point it's going to be a massive issue Boston. 771 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 5: Of course, that's why you estimate for a project. There 772 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 5: are variations for projects. Sometimes they're unforeseen and then it's 773 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 5: a matter of sometimes how deep something like that may go, 774 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 5: if it's to do with as bestos or another issues. 775 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 7: What was the other four mentions? So three million was 776 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 7: for best what was. 777 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 4: The other four million? You spent the time asking an estimate? 778 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 4: Was it No? 779 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 7: I know you don't want to answer questions, but what 780 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 7: was the other four million? Was it the mountain? Did 781 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 7: the mountain cost four million dollars? 782 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 4: Mountain? 783 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 6: Didn't cost the mountain? 784 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 5: This also is a big part of the Darwin Cities Deal, 785 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 5: which is. 786 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 4: Is supported by the federal government. 787 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 5: So the state Civic Square development and all of that 788 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 5: precinct which will add value to the territory. And more importantly, 789 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 5: Katie has provided territories with jobs during that work, So look, 790 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 5: what was that other four million or I won't I 791 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 5: don't have that detail. I'm not the infrastructure minister, and 792 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 5: I would hope that the opposition. 793 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: Leader look certainly not an expert in this space. But 794 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: was there no prior like geo technical work to actually 795 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: work out how much asbestos was there? Because I know 796 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: that like any project, especially of a huge nature like 797 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: digging into the ground like that, I would have thought 798 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: that there'd be some of that work done prior so 799 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: that you've got an idea whether there is going to 800 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: be a major blowouts. 801 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 5: But I wouldn't have the details because again I apologize it. 802 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 5: There is minister responsible for that particular technico, but it 803 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 5: is something that is looked at. And again the variations 804 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 5: to major projects, it does happen. 805 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 2: All right. 806 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: Let's move along to one which you certainly do have 807 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: the details on, and that is that repair work and 808 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: obviously the work at the Darwin Correctional Center following on 809 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: from that major riot that happened well quite a few 810 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: months ago, over six months ago. Now the cleanup course 811 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: have already hit two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. How 812 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: much is it going to cost to fix that Correctional Center. 813 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 5: So, Katie, this is an area that is under insurance 814 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 5: claim at the moment. 815 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 4: We did speak to this in estimates community. 816 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 5: I know that there is interest, of course in the 817 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 5: community to the damage that was called cause through that 818 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 5: major incident in May. The Corrections Commissioner did speak to 819 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 5: this this week that some works in terms of the 820 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 5: cleanup as underway, as you've pointed out, and the costings 821 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 5: there the overall costing for the particular infrastructure and the 822 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 5: site is under insurance claim, so we're hoping we'll have 823 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 5: more detail once that insurance claim goes through, but work 824 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 5: has already started to prepare for the rehabilitation of the infrastructure. 825 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 3: The government have any figures at all because at the moment, 826 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 3: the rumor mill and this happened in May, you know 827 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 3: when it was has been an overdrive from I've heard 828 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: fifteen million, twenty million, forty million, even even as high 829 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 3: as fifty million, and those figures have been reported across 830 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: different media outlets as well. Because we're not getting answers 831 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 3: from the government. So do the government, Yeah, a ballpark figure. 832 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 5: I'm not going to give a ballpark figure because again 833 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 5: it is under insurance claim. So it is working through 834 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 5: all the details. Just like any insurance claim. This happens 835 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 5: to be a much bigger and more complex and larger insurance. 836 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 6: Well, how much has been spent to day? 837 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 4: I thought you were asking questions and estimates. 838 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 6: You got this to estimates. You're in life rightio. People 839 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 6: are sitting there listening to you. 840 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 7: Your chance to well, if you haven't to say it, 841 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 7: you're already you're going to tell listeners. 842 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 6: To go and get answer. 843 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 4: We're asking about a ballpark figure, and I'm. 844 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 2: Not going to know. 845 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 4: I didn't. 846 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 6: I said how much has been spent to day? 847 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 5: I don't have that in front of me, and I'm 848 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 5: sure you'll get it to you after many hours the 849 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 5: same question. 850 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. 851 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: Though, we are talking about a facility which is essentially 852 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: owned by the territory tax payer. We must have an 853 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: idea about how much it's actually going to cost to 854 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: get it back up to scratch. I know that the 855 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: cleanup bill is obviously two hundred and fifty grand, which 856 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: is phenomenal amount of money. And then you know, when 857 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: you talk about how much damage is done, I've been 858 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: told that that damage is extensive. 859 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 2: Please correct me if I'm wrong. 860 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 5: I have seen the sight and there was extensive damage, 861 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 5: which is why the insurance claim is quite extensive. We're 862 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 5: to ensure that we have all the details that go 863 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 5: through it and that we are able to get as 864 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 5: much through that insurance claim covered as possible. 865 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 4: So I'm not going to give you a figure when. 866 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 2: You release the figure. 867 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 6: When you know the figure. 868 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 5: Of course, it's not something we're going to hide. It's 869 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 5: something that we want to make sure that that facility 870 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 5: has the infrastructure replaced that is needed so our corrections 871 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 5: officers can continue to do the job that they do 872 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 5: in protecting community and protecting the vulnerable population in the prison. 873 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: Now, just one other. 874 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: Thing that came out of estimates that a few in 875 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: the media are a bit interested in is apparently the 876 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: Health Minister mistakenly claimed that the Catherine Catherine does not 877 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: have a newspaper. Now, this is obviously your neck of 878 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: the woods, Selena. She clearly hasn't read the wonderful Catherine Times. 879 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 5: I think something that I would like to say that 880 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 5: Catherine Times they have moved a lot to online, which 881 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 5: is fantastic. 882 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 4: I know my dad, who. 883 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 5: Lives here in Darwin, is a subscriber to the Catherine Times. 884 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 5: He regularly reads their articles. I quite enjoy I know 885 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 5: a lot of the locals, not just in Catherine but 886 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 5: the surrounding Big Rivers region do enjoy the Catherine Times newspaper. 887 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 2: You may come to get one subscription. Scene comes out once. 888 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 5: A week, but I think a lot of people are 889 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 5: doing business online and Catherine Times is adjusted to that 890 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 5: as well, and they're doing a great job. 891 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 2: We are going to have to go to break. But Lea, 892 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: I just want to ask very quickly. 893 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: I know you asked quite a few questions or are 894 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: the colp asked quite a few questions about the Dan 895 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: Murphy's legislation. 896 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: Did you get very far? 897 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 7: We don't usually get very far in questioning labor ministers, Katie. 898 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 7: I'm sorry about that, Natasha Files. 899 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 6: She was blocking. She had her arms above her head 900 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 6: and across. 901 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 2: And saying no deal, no deal. 902 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 4: Friday. 903 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, small business minister is dealing with Dan's, Katie, 904 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 7: because Dan's is a small business and the alcohol Minister 905 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 7: wants nothing to do with this one. 906 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a very short break. 907 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 2: It is just seven minutes away from. 908 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 9: Ten o'clock three sixties. The week that was thanks to 909 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 9: Kolana caring for the community from the top end to 910 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 9: tenant Craig. 911 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: Well, that is just about it for the week that 912 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: was this morning. Of course, we've got Lea Finocchio, Selena 913 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: Rubo and Mattie Hepworth in the studio now, no, Leah, 914 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: you'll be back next Friday. For the week that was 915 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 1: all the year that was, it'll just about me. Selena, 916 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming in this morning making your debut. 917 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: Are you staying in the territory for your Christmas holidays? 918 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: I know the chiefs caused a bit of a stirb, 919 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: why not. 920 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 4: Most of it? I will, Katie. 921 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to having Christmas here in dal with 922 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 5: my family and some of my husband's family. Unfortunately, my 923 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 5: father in law is quite ill, so we're going to 924 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 5: visit him in South Australia for a week and then 925 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 5: I'll get to spend the next week after that in 926 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 5: beautiful Catherine. 927 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 2: Oh good stuff. 928 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: Exist Well, Maddie Hepworth will get the latest in local 929 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: news from you very shortly. But well, Leah and Selena, 930 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time this morning. We'll speak to 931 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: you both again very soon, you too, and you are 932 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four point nine's three Sixties. 933 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 2: Still plenty more coming your way after ten o'clock