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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stephenson. I'm a lawyer and health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife, and dogmam. On the Rise and

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Speaker 1: Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer Today.

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Speaker 1: On the Rise and Conquer Podcast, we are talking all

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Speaker 1: things health, nutrition and wellness, but without the BS. Today's

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Speaker 1: special guest is Nina. She is a qualified clinical nutritionness

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Speaker 1: and health and wellness blogger who shares informative, evidence based

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Speaker 1: and relatable posts about nutrition, eating disorder, recovery, making peace

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Speaker 1: with food and your body, self love, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: As well as having plenty of delicious and wholesome plant

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Speaker 1: based recipes. Nina keeps things hashtag real on her socials

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Speaker 1: and places a strong emphasis on evidence based, fad free

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Speaker 1: information and finding your version of balance, which is why

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Speaker 1: I am so excited to share her with you today.

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Speaker 1: We go into Nina's past of recovering from an eating

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Speaker 1: disorder and how she transformed her mindset around food and

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Speaker 1: her body. We also get into topics like diet culture,

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Speaker 1: the best foods to lose weight, how food affects your hormones,

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Speaker 1: how many calories a girl should really be eating. Nina's

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Speaker 1: opinion on this new trend of celery juice drinking pull

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Speaker 1: us so much more. I'm so excited to bring this

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Speaker 1: episode to you. It has filled with so much good value.

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Speaker 1: Let's get straight into it. Hi, Nina, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Rise and Conker Podcast. I'm so excited to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show today. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: So I want to get straight into it. I would

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Speaker 1: love for you to talk to the audience and just

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Speaker 1: tell them a little bit of a backstory, a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your story. I know that you had a

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Speaker 2: Sure, Well, okay, it's definitely a long story, and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to kind of cut it short a little bit,

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Speaker 2: just to a bit of a snapshot. Yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 2: I was born in Switzerland and there I lived there

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Speaker 2: till I was about six years old, and then my

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Speaker 2: family and me, which was my parents, my sister, and

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Speaker 2: I migrated to Australia. Yeah. Basically I was always a

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Speaker 2: And I've always been very close to my family because

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Speaker 2: of that. Like we have moved from Australia to Switzerland

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know what diabetes was at that time,

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Speaker 2: I think most people probably wouldn't know. So there's actually

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Speaker 2: two different forms of diabetes. There's type one and type two.

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Speaker 2: Type two is the one which ninety to ninety five

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Speaker 2: so one that can also be reversed and definitely managed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like you said, that is such a big

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Speaker 2: And so I have always been a perfectionist. I definitely

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it's really interesting to me that like that you're

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Speaker 1: It was more about control over your diabetes. Is that

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought I was being a good, good diabetic.

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Speaker 2: And then on top of that, I was doing triathlon

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Speaker 2: funny because you know, when people think of someone with

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Speaker 2: But I was actually eating quite a lot, I would say.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is I was just doing so much

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Speaker 2: Like I was training so so much, and then there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're probably very confused by the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was just really scared. I guess as

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Speaker 2: well that eating more would have a negative effect somehow,

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Speaker 2: touch with our own bodies and what we need. So

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Speaker 2: many people these days say, oh, I don't know how

439
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Speaker 2: to listen to my body and how to eat when

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Speaker 2: i'm hungry and stock when i'm full. Like that is

441
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Speaker 2: because we are just so out of touch with our

442
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Speaker 2: bodies and we're just always following these rules and these

443
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Speaker 2: diets and these things which we're not meant to be

444
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Speaker 2: following rules. We're meant to be in tune with ourselves.

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Speaker 2: And counting colories, like our energy needs differ every single day,

446
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Speaker 2: Like sometimes we're more active, sometimes we're less active. Our

447
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: brains use so much energy, and sometimes we use them more,

448
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: sometimes we use them less. And the accuracy of counting colories,

449
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: like our bodies burn and expend different amounts. And then

450
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Speaker 2: you know, who even said that this food had this

451
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Speaker 2: many colories? Like how do we even work that out?

452
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Speaker 2: We put food into this machine it's called a bomb colorimeter,

453
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Speaker 2: and we explode the food and then we measure how

454
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Speaker 2: much heat is expended from that explosion, like like that

455
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Speaker 2: we majed calories in that way.

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Speaker 1: That's so weird. Oh my god, thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 1: Now that you've said that, I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. Well. See, that's another thing. Is I always

459
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Speaker 1: found when I would get in when I was counting calories,

460
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Speaker 1: it would be I would it was like I was

461
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Speaker 1: at war with myself because I you know, one day

462
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Speaker 1: I could stick to it perfectly and I'd feel on

463
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Speaker 1: top of the world, and it was amazing. And then

464
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Speaker 1: another day I would be so hungry and then I'd

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Speaker 1: be so disappointed, like why can't I just stick to

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Speaker 1: my calories? And it just became this like bit of

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Speaker 1: a head game that and yeah, I was just so

468
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Speaker 1: out of tune with what my body actually needed. It

469
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Speaker 1: was just not right for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think a lot of people will

471
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Speaker 2: be able to relate to that so much. And it

472
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Speaker 2: also it just it puts that focus on those numbers

473
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Speaker 2: and kind of like counting calories. It has nothing to

474
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Speaker 2: do with health. It's all about, you know, control and

475
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Speaker 2: manipulating your body in some way, because health is just

476
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Speaker 2: so much more than the numbers. It's even so much

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Speaker 2: more than just the food. But if it were just

478
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Speaker 2: the food, then it would be you know, eating nourishing

479
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Speaker 2: food that's full of nutrients and makes you feel your best,

480
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Speaker 2: it makes you perform your best, and that you enjoy

481
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Speaker 2: eating as well, like eating food that you like and

482
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Speaker 2: that makes you happy. But then it also comes to

483
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Speaker 2: the other parts of health, which are like how do

484
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Speaker 2: you feel about food, how do you feel about your life,

485
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Speaker 2: how do you feel about yourself, how do you connect

486
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Speaker 2: to other people, how do you move your body? How

487
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Speaker 2: do you relax and unwinded, like all of these other

488
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Speaker 2: parts of health that calorie counting takes from us, because

489
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't go out to eat and enjoy

490
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Speaker 2: yourself if you're counting calories. Well maybe you can, but

491
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: it will cause you so much stress that you hate

492
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Speaker 2: yourself afterwards. And it's just such a so many people,

493
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: it's such a negative thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Like, I know some people

495
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Speaker 1: do it and they find almost like freedom and that

496
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Speaker 1: sort of thing, which I think great. I think everyone

497
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: is so different. I just think it would be silly

498
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Speaker 1: to think there's this one sort of numeric system and

499
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Speaker 1: then everyone should follow it, Like it just makes no

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Speaker 1: sense to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I agree so much.

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Speaker 1: So I want to just change the gears a tiny bit.

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Speaker 1: Something that I love about your content and why I

504
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: am a big consumer of your content is basically your

505
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: no BS approach to health and nutrition and just how

506
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Speaker 1: you really I guess like you look at food as

507
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Speaker 1: fuel rather than like you said, like numbers or anything

508
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Bit.

510
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Speaker 1: I love it because obviously you're nutrition is it's science

511
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: based and that sort of thing I would love for

512
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: you to talk about just maybe some I guess mind

513
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: shift sort of approaches and how you've come to realize

514
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Speaker 1: this sort of nobs approach.

515
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Speaker 2: So I think studying nutrition for me was a big thing.

516
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Speaker 2: I had a completely different idea of what health and

517
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Speaker 2: healthy eating was before I did my studies, and a

518
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Speaker 2: lot of it, A lot of what I learned that

519
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Speaker 2: really helped me. There was not even the nutritional information

520
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: as such itself, but more about how to interpret all

521
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Speaker 2: of the information that's out there and kind of you know,

522
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Speaker 2: dissect what is bs and what is actually real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like do you mean sort of me Like I

524
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Speaker 1: have this concept where I'm like everything I see in

525
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Speaker 1: social media I take with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

527
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Speaker 1: It was okay, Yeah, yeah, And it just.

528
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Speaker 2: Really learnt me to question things and actually go and

529
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Speaker 2: find out the truth, like do the reason and not

530
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Speaker 2: just believe everything that I see and read and hear,

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: because a lot of the time it's just not true.

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Speaker 2: Like some of the things these days, like I read

533
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Speaker 2: on social media and in the news and stuff on

534
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Speaker 2: the daily basis, and I just shake my head and

535
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: think that doesn't even make sense from a scientific viewpoint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's actually it's really sad though, because obviously

537
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there who don't go and

538
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Speaker 1: do the research. You just sort of and especially when

539
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Speaker 1: it comes from a source where you trust that person.

540
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Speaker 2: So we're with a big following. Yeah, and so people

541
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Speaker 2: make it seem really believable. Maybe they're putting like before

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Speaker 2: and after photos on there, or maybe they're quoting some study.

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Speaker 2: You know, even like studies can be so flawed, like

544
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Speaker 2: often if you look at the funding or like, for example,

545
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: I was reading this study the other day on intimate

546
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: fasting and how it like makes you live longer or something,

547
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: but it was done on worms, Like we're not worms,

548
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Speaker 2: So why are we applying this to ourselves? I know?

549
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Speaker 1: It's almost like we need to read the fine.

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Speaker 2: Print exactly exactly and also like put it into the

551
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Speaker 2: context of your own situation and your own goals. Like,

552
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Speaker 2: you know, advice for someone that is a healthy adult

553
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Speaker 2: person who might you know, just want to get like

554
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Speaker 2: a bit fitter and healthier, it's going to be something

555
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: completely different to someone that is struggling with eating disorder

556
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: and really needs to work on their relationship with food

557
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Speaker 2: and their health. Like it just really really depends on

558
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: you and your lifestyle, your background, what you want, what's

559
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Speaker 2: important to you.

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Speaker 1: That's actually something I was thinking about the other day

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Speaker 1: is I was, I won't name names or anything, but

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Speaker 1: I like, I follow a lot of girls who compete

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Speaker 1: in fitness competitions, and something that just really kills me is,

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Speaker 1: you know, they will express and tell you know, how

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Speaker 1: they eat and how they train and all this sort

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Speaker 1: of thing, And it just really kills me because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: so many people would look up to that information and

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Speaker 1: that sort of way of eating and training, but what

569
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Speaker 1: they don't realize is like that is specific for their sport,

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Speaker 1: Like that is a competition, and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: like when you really speak to them. I have a

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Speaker 1: couple of friends who've done it, they will say, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the cart the last couple of weeks towards

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Speaker 1: the competition, even like the last month or so, they say,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's like not something anyone should be doing

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Speaker 1: for tag health. So it's so true that like you

577
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Speaker 1: need to be thinking, like who is this information actually for?

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Speaker 1: Is it specifically for me, who's someone who's you know,

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Speaker 1: just trying to feel a bit better, feel good in

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Speaker 1: my own skin, or is it for someone who's like

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Speaker 1: about to step on stage sort of yeah think and exactly, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. And that's what it's hard though. I think

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Speaker 1: it's also like you said about having that sort of

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Speaker 1: self awareness to take this information with a grain of

585
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Speaker 1: sault rather than thinking you have to apply it straight

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Speaker 1: to your life.

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and knowing that you can be eating the exact

588
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: same thing and doing the exact same workouts and everything

589
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 2: as that person, you will not look like that person

590
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Speaker 2: because we all look completely different. How boring would it

591
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Speaker 2: be if we all look the same? Like that would

592
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Speaker 2: be so boring?

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, one hundred percent. That's That's something I

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00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: really struggled with for a long time. And I remember,

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I didn't realize this until I lived with

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Speaker 1: a really good friend and we lived together for like

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Speaker 1: two years, and we literally like eating like very similar.

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Speaker 1: I obviously saw exactly what she ate like very We

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Speaker 1: did the exact same workouts, and her body was just

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Speaker 1: so different to mine, and it just took me so

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Speaker 1: long to even comprehend that. But like, once you comprehend

602
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: that and you accept it, it's so freeing because you're like,

603
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't need to look a specific way or be

604
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Speaker 1: like a specific person like I am me exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're all unique, and we're all beautiful in our own ways,

606
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Speaker 2: and we all are perfectly imperfect, like we have our

607
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Speaker 2: imperfections and it what makes us interesting. It's what allows

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Speaker 2: us to connect with other people. Like, imagine if you

609
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Speaker 2: were this perfect person, like, no one could relate to

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Speaker 2: you exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love that. And something I want to

612
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Speaker 1: talk about this because this is something I swear. I

613
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: get DMS about something when you will talk about and

614
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: I already know your point of view and I love it.

615
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring it up. So why are

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Speaker 1: girls scared of cubs? And like should we be? Because

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Speaker 1: I must admit I was for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: I think it was imprinted in me because of social media,

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Speaker 1: and I realize a lot of people will probably be

620
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: going through the same thing or being through the same thing.

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Speaker 1: What's your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't actually know like where the fear

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Speaker 2: really stems from. I think it's just a lot of

624
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: bad and misinformation out there. You know, before it was

625
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: like loafat everything, and now all of a sudden, it's

626
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: not harb everything. It's like, you know, Okay, that was

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Speaker 2: boring we'll move on to the next thing. Let's demonize

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00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: calves now, yeah, and wow, it also it's just if

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Speaker 2: you think about it, like, it's such a misused term

630
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: because it doesn't say anything about that food except for

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Speaker 2: this one macro nutrient that that food contains, which as

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00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, it's actually the preferred fuel source

633
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: of our body and our brain. But also, like all

634
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: whole foods contain all the three macro nutrients, just in

635
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: varying amounts. So something like a piece of fruit might

636
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: be more carves, and something like you know, some beans

637
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: or something like that might be a little bit more protein,

638
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: and some nuts might be more fat, but they all

639
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: contain carbs and protein and fat. So but we don't

640
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: often remember that these foods don't just contain these macro nutrients.

641
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: They also contain all these micro nutrients, all these vitamins,

642
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: all these fiber, all these minerals, and so much health

643
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: benefits that our bodies get from these foods, like as

644
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: a package and the staple for like the healthiest populations

645
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: in the world were carves. There were rice, potatoes, beans, corn,

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: all of these foods which are carves, and they're the

647
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: staple foods for the healthiest populations, the longest living populations,

648
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: like even the Mediterranean diet, like the majority of what

649
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: they ate was carbs. Yeah, and people also forget that,

650
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, a carb isn't equal a carb, Like you

651
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: can have a kidney bean and you can have jelly

652
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: beans and they're both calves, but it's not it's not

653
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: you know, it's not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know you you don't discriminate.

655
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Speaker 2: I'm very passionate about this because I also used to

656
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: be very scared of carbs as a diabetic.

657
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's so true. And so I guess I

658
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: instead of looking at like, you know, to be scared

659
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: of I don't. I'm not scared of any food. But

660
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: instead of that sort of thing, I try and like

661
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: flip it around and I try and look at things

662
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: as you know, something being a bit more like nutrient

663
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: dense and that sort of side of things. Like what's

664
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: your sort of thoughts and how did you sort of

665
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: make a mind shift in regards to like you said,

666
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: you're scared of carbs and now you're very passionate about it.

667
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: What are some like practical tools or like mind shifts

668
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: someone can make if they currently ask sed of cabs.

669
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: I think it's really asking yourself like what are you

670
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: scared of about about foods? Like what are your beliefs

671
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: behind this food? And then kind of really reflecting on that,

672
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: like is this something logical? Like is this like why

673
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: is this really like my thoughts behind it? Is this

674
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: a fact? Is this actually backed up by science? Or

675
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: did I just read it because some social media influencer

676
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: was posting about how calves are bad for your something

677
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: like that.

678
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess also people associate, you know, when

679
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: they want to lose weight, they associate straight away with

680
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: cutting carbs, which again I don't know where that came from.

681
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: But the thing is like, if you do, like cut carbs,

682
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: you will lose weight because carbs are stored in our

683
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: body with water. Every gram of carbs needs about three

684
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: or four meals of water to be stored. So that

685
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: is weight. You can't see it because it's invisible, but

686
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: it is weight. So if you cut all carves, you

687
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: will step on the scales the next day and you

688
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: will or a couple of days later and you will

689
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: have lost weight. But it's just water and it's literally

690
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: dehydrating your cells of glycogen and water and that's beneficial.

691
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's a short term sort yeah, but

692
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: people like that, people like stepping on the scales and

693
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: being like, oh it worked.

694
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Look I lost three kilos in the first week.

695
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: Which it's not. It's water weight.

696
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. Wow. Weight is such a silly measure of

697
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: health anyway, because weight and health have nothing to do

698
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: with each other. And when the studies now coming out

699
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: are really interesting about people who are like that have

700
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: a larger weight, it's not that weight essentially that is

701
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: causing health problems. It is unhealthy behaviors. And you can

702
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: have a larger body and be practicing these healthy behaviors

703
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 2: and still be healthy. It doesn't matter about weight.

704
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. I'm like, I'm currently at

705
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: least ten kilos heavier than sort of my lightest weight

706
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: when I was going through some issues with my health,

707
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: and back then when I was that weight, I literally

708
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: thought I was like this spitting image of health because

709
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: of my weight and how I look. And now I

710
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: look back and I'm just like, oh my god, I

711
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: was so silly to think that my weight had anything

712
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: to do because really, if you looked at my mental

713
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: health back then, like was Yeah, it was not good,

714
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: so I And that's the thing is it took me

715
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: so long to realize it, and I feel like it's

716
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: it's such a process. It's not like one day you're

717
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: not scared of carbs and you stop weighing yourself and

718
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: all this sort of thing. I think it's about like

719
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: opening your mind, being like aware, starting to question, like

720
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: where this belief comes from, and just sort of I think,

721
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: just observing your thoughts also around your like weight and

722
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: food and just thinking, you know, is this reasonable or

723
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: have I just got this from some other belief? Yeah

724
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: sort of thing.

725
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: I agree with that so much. I think a good

726
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: way to reflect on your own food beliefs and food

727
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: rules is asking yourself really, like are my food choices

728
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: coming from an act of self love or one of

729
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: self harm? Like? What is my intention behind this? Because

730
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: only you can know this, Like you might be choosing

731
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: to have, say an apple for a snack, and you

732
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: could be choosing that because you love apples and it

733
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: tastes delicious. It's an easy option. You know it's got

734
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: lots of nutrients in it, and you know that can

735
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: be coming from a completely healthy place. But then you

736
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: could be choosing the apple because it's the lower calorie

737
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: option compared to something else, and you feel like you

738
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: only deserve an apple, and that's like it's the same action,

739
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: but it's got completely different thoughts behind it. And whether

740
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: that choice, the choice of having an apple is then

741
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: a healthy one or actually quite a toxic and unhealthy

742
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: one really just depends on the mindset and the intention

743
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: behind it.

744
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: Wow.

745
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like listening to it, I'm like, oh my god,

746
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: it's like this is likest like a therapy session.

747
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

748
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: No, that's amazing something that like I really want to

749
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: talk to you about because I realized when I talk

750
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: about this on my socials, it's almost like people are

751
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: a bit it's a new concept and it's like people

752
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: aren't really talking about it, and I feel like people

753
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: almost are a bit taken back and they're like, what

754
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: is this? And so I wanted to talk to you

755
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: about diet culture and specific word. I talk about it

756
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: specifically in my Intuitive Eating Guide. As you know, guys,

757
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: if you didn't know, Nina was the nutritionist who approved

758
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: my ebooks. So that's how we're this friendly but something

759
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: and I know that you definitely have all the same

760
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: sort of morals in that regards, and I talk about

761
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: like ditching diet culture, but it's honestly not even something

762
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: I was aware of, and it's something that I don't

763
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: think others are really aware of. But what is your

764
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: definition and of diet culture and how do you think

765
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: it affects us today? I realize that's very broad.

766
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to reflect on this question a

767
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: little bit because I kind of realized, Yeah, what is

768
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: like a definition of diet culture? What I really think

769
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: is a good way to define it is basically a

770
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: culture that sees thinness as health and the only way

771
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: to be healthy. So essentially a culture that rewards us

772
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: for weight loss and for being super healthy and for

773
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: clean eating and exercising and all of these things, and

774
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: sees like as weight as is like the ultimate health ideal.

775
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: And it's kind of scary because a lot of behaviors

776
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: are eating disorder behaviors, and they're promoted and encouraged until

777
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: someone is actually underweight, and then they're not encouraged anymore.

778
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: But as long as someone isn't underweight, then you know,

779
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: skipping meals and choosing the lowest calorie options and detoxing

780
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: and all of that kind of stuff. It's all encouraged.

781
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you even think about it. If you are

782
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: someone who isn't underweight, and if you lose weight, people

783
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: congratulate you.

784
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: They're like, you look great.

785
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

786
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: Like this actually happened to me the other day. I

787
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: was speaking to a friend and we were talking about

788
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 2: this person that we both know and how she had

789
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: lost a lot of weight and this person had congratulated

790
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: them about it. But then later on they found out

791
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: that this person lost weight by very unhealthy methods. And

792
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: then I was like, yeah, exactly. That's why I try

793
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: to never ever compliment or comment on anyone's weight. I

794
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: might say, oh, you look like you're glowing, or you

795
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: look really healthy or something like that, but weight is

796
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: such a yeah.

797
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: But that's I think, like that is diet culture, thinking

798
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: that it's okay and that's just normal. It's like, yeah,

799
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: normalizing these behaviors, like you said too, it gets a

800
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: point where they're actually underweight. And I think even something

801
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: that I used to think every single Monday. Guys, we're

802
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: recording this episode on Monday, so I think this morning,

803
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: every single Monday, I would wake up. This is obviously

804
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when I was dealing with

805
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: some issues and I would wake up and because it

806
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: was a Monday, I would start some sort of clean

807
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: eating or detox and things like that, and you would

808
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: talk to people and it was just so normal to

809
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: do that, which like, when you think about that, it's

810
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: just so not okay to every Monday start a diet

811
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: and then binge on the weekend. And that's the side

812
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: of things. But in society, we just think it's normal.

813
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: And that's my sort of when I think of diet

814
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: culture and that sort of thing, and it's just everything

815
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: is so normalized in that regard.

816
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it forces people to be like so hyper

817
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: focused on their food choices and their body image and

818
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: thinness and really playing on our insecurities and saying we're

819
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: not enough and we're going to be happier and we're

820
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: going to be healthier and more successful if we are thinner,

821
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: if we are eat you know, only these foods, if

822
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: we have these labels attached to us, And it even

823
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: goes to the extent that it attaches moral value of

824
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: good or bad to foods and to certain ways of

825
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: eating it, and it demonizes certain foods and makes us,

826
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, less worthy and bad people if we eat

827
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: certain foods, and that is just so messed up on

828
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: so many levels.

829
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: It's so funny you said that. I can't remember who

830
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to, but when I was thinking back

831
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: back then, I keep saying that. But when previously it

832
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: would literally get to the point I remember thinking if

833
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: someone would say how they ate a certain way, or

834
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: if they because I literally went through this period where

835
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I would not eat refined sugar. I'm not and I'm

836
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: talking like not one bit, like not even on the weekends,

837
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: like nothing. And I remember like someone would be telling

838
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: me like what they eat or it was just takeout

839
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I remember thinking I literally

840
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: thought I was superior to them in some sort of

841
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: way because of the lifestyle I was leading. Yeah, And

842
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: then thinking back now, I'm like, that is so messed up.

843
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I guess that's a kind of extreme way. But I

844
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of us when we're in a

845
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: diet and we're like feeling good and we're like losing weight,

846
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: we literally feel superior, which.

847
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: Is like it's like it's high almost.

848
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: It's messed up, and that is like, yeah, sorry, you go.

849
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: I was just going to say I think the other

850
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: problem with diet culture is that it's so sneaky, Like

851
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: it's almost like it's not people doing the Atkins diet

852
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: and these diets anymore. It's just sneaks into our lives

853
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: and pretends, you know, it's a lifestyle and it's not

854
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: a diet. That's like, but really it's all these rules.

855
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: It's intimid and fasting. It's eating six years a day,

856
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: it's cutting out this food, it's not eating sugar. It's

857
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: it's still dieting. Just because it isn't so that's this

858
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: diet doesn't mean.

859
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: It isn't diet just because they're not doing extreme things

860
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: or like what we associate with extreme things. I definitely

861
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: like I realized that it is very sneaky, and I

862
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: think that's a thing about like we do need to

863
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: start talking about diet culture and this sort of thing,

864
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: because I think it's about just being self aware. Now,

865
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: when you know a post pops up or something like that,

866
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll still consume it. I'm just like more self aware

867
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: that that like that's diet culture and I don't have

868
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: to like consume it and apply it because I feel

869
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: like we're always going to be surrounded by it, I

870
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: think it's just being self aware that that's what it is.

871
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I seriously hope that one day it won't

872
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: be like that anymore. But the reality is is that

873
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: it's a multi billion dollar industry. Yeah, it plays into

874
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: our insecurities. It makes people spend money in order, you know,

875
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: for diet products, for diets, for all of these things. Yeah,

876
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: that they believe are going to make them happier and

877
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: more loved. Because that's what it all comes down to. People.

878
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: The society trying to tell us that we need to

879
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: fit into this body ideal and then we will be

880
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: successful and we will be loved, when in reality that's

881
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: just not true. And for ninety nine percent of people

882
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: or even more than that, it's they have to go

883
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: to unhealthy measures in order to get to this ideal

884
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: or that society has somehow just invented.

885
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so, like I was saying to you, one

886
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: of my biggest tools that I sort of used in

887
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: regards to ditching diet culture is focusing a lot on

888
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: self love and myself, which is something I literally didn't

889
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: do until like a couple of years ago. Obviously getting

890
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: over my previous issues and that sort of thing. And

891
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of hard though, because I feel like, you know,

892
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: on social media there's stuff, there's a lot of stuff

893
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: about self love and that sort of thing, but it

894
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: took me a while to really implement and realize what

895
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: it means to me because I feel like it's so

896
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: different for everyone and it kind of transforms in different ways.

897
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Do you sort of agree that, like one of the

898
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: tools that you use recovering from your eating disorder and

899
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: just in life in general, was realizing to start focusing

900
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: on self love or do something else or.

901
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely a big thing for me. I

902
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: realize how unhappy and unhealthy it was making me, Like

903
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: the thing that I thought was going to make me

904
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: happier and healthier was making me the unhappiest and the

905
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: unhealthiest I'd ever been in my entire life. It took

906
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 2: away so many opportunities, so many relationships, so much time

907
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: that I was wasting on being miserable and trying to

908
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: control something that really did not matter.

909
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can't be controlled, really.

910
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I started to really reflect on what is

911
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: really important to me and is what I am doing,

912
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 2: whether that's food, exercise, other things, but is what I'm

913
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: doing adding value to my life or is it taking

914
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: away from me? And that was really important to me

915
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: and like a big shift because I realized that most

916
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: of the things that I was doing was not adding

917
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: value to my life in any way, and it was

918
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: making me stay miserable, stay into this unhealthy body and mind. Yeah,

919
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 2: and one of my favorite quotes is, don't waste ninety

920
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: five percent of your life trying to weigh five percent less.

921
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's just like the perfect quote to

922
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: God so many people, because you know, I would rather

923
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: and like I can say that now having gained like

924
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty kilos, I would rather weigh and not

925
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: everyone's going to weigh a certain amount more. You know,

926
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: it can just be a couple of kilos, But I

927
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: would rather weigh more and eat the food I love,

928
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: not be stressed all the time, move in a way

929
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: that makes me feel good that I love, be able

930
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: to go out to eat with my friends, be able

931
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: to have something that my mom's cook that I haven't tracked,

932
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, just enjoy my life. And I'd rather weigh

933
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: a little bit more then not be able to do

934
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: any of those things and be miserable. But weigh a

935
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: few kilos less.

936
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that was perfect. I enjoy that quote too.

937
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah amazing. Well, honestly, I feel like we've just talked

938
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: about so many so I did so I put on

939
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: my Instagram that I was interviewing you, and I said

940
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: to people, like, you know, check me some questions. Let

941
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: me know what you want me to talk to Nino about.

942
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: And we've obviously covered a lot, but I just wanted

943
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: to do if I'm going to call it like a

944
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: bit of like a short answer fire around where I'm

945
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: just going to chuck maybe like nine or ten quick

946
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: questions and if we can answer them like the under

947
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: a minute. I know a lot of them, or it's

948
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: me I feel the exact same way, but just to

949
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know the questions. Once you hear them,

950
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: you'll understand when i'm talking out, but like they're very

951
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: common questions that I will get DMS and I'm sure

952
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: you get the same, and so I just can't wait

953
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: for you to answer them. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

954
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: smash some questions at you and We're going to try

955
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: and answer them really quickly, just because I've been talking

956
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: for a while. So let's get straight into it now.

957
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: This one. I'm very interested the first question because it's

958
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: something that I've seen a lot on social media and

959
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't really understand the whole concept. So the question

960
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: is from a follower, what is your opinion on this

961
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: celery juice stream? I knew this was I like, I've

962
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: seen it. I don't really understand what's happening, but I've

963
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: seen a lot on people's stories like drinking celery juice

964
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: every morning, Like what is this?

965
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So a little quick background story on celery juice.

966
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: It's essentially this guy he's he's like this. He calls

967
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: himself the medical medium. He's like this medium essentially, and

968
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: he gets his information from a spirit.

969
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: And he has all these what's a medium like? He

970
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: talks of spirits okay, and so he's getting he's giving

971
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: health advice from this.

972
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So celery juice is what he says you

973
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: should start every morning with drinking about I think it's

974
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: eight ounces of celery juice, which is a heck of

975
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: a lot of celery juice. It's like how many whole

976
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: bunch of celery like a little I think it's five

977
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 2: hundred mills okay, yep, And he's saying it's gonna cure acne,

978
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: cure all your digestive issues, you're all your like literally.

979
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: Everything like anything.

980
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: And I think the important thing to keep in mind

981
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 2: is that there is no such thing as a miracle

982
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: cure or a miracle food, and nothing is going to,

983
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, magically cure all of these things. If you

984
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 2: enjoy drinking celery juice and it makes you feel good,

985
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 2: then one dred percent, go and drink your celery juice.

986
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no problem with that, and it won't

987
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: harm you. It's not bad for you, but it's not

988
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: going to cure everything. It's not going to suddenly transform

989
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: you into this place of magical health just because you're

990
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: drinking celery juice.

991
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, And if you.

992
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Don't like celery juice like you must, you can just

993
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: as well drink cucumber juice instead, and it's probably going

994
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: to have exactly the same effects.

995
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you agree. It's probably just like putting some like nutrients, vitamins,

996
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff in your system, like is that.

997
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? And a lot of people, you know,

998
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: they get up in the in the morning and they

999
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: don't even drink water. So the fact that they're drinking

1000
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: celery juice, they're getting that hydration in and that alone

1001
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: is going to benefit your digestion.

1002
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: And I guess also if you're like going to the effort,

1003
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: who like make this ce celery juice and drink it

1004
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: like you're probably then like throughout the day will make

1005
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: other positive habits.

1006
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 2: Is that kind of I agree?

1007
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: I definitely agree. That first thing that came to my

1008
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: mind about people saying do it in the morning is

1009
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: then because I remember I used to do this too.

1010
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: If you like did something in the morning, like throughout

1011
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: the day, you're like, oh, well, I've rerealdy drunk the

1012
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: celery juice. I'm gonna pick better choices. So that could

1013
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: also be a reason. I have no idea, but just

1014
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: my opinion.

1015
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: All right.

1016
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: Next question that was great, That really cleared it up

1017
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: because I was very confused. So a question came in,

1018
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: how many calories should an average teen girl be eating

1019
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: per day?

1020
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't think you should be

1021
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: focusing on calories. You should be focusing on eating food

1022
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: that's going to nourish and through your body make you

1023
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: feel good, and if you're tired, if you're hungry, if

1024
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: you're if you're lacking concentration and energy, then that's a

1025
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: sign you're probably not eating enough and you need to

1026
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: up your calories. Also, if you're not getting a regular cycle,

1027
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: then that's also a big sign that you might not

1028
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: be eating enough. But I do always recommend that if

1029
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: you're not sure you're eating enough, that you reach out

1030
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: to a qualified nutritionist or a dietitian and you see

1031
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: them and they can give you advice because exactly what

1032
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: you need is going to really depend on you, your

1033
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: activity levels, your situation, your background, and there really is

1034
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: no number that I can give you that is, you know,

1035
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: the amount that most people should be aiming for.

1036
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Something I just wanted to add

1037
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: is like I die when people ask how many calories

1038
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: they should be eating because everyone is so different. Even

1039
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: like you said, if you go to a qualified nutritionist,

1040
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: which you should be doing, it's going to be so different,

1041
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: so you should not be and they won't.

1042
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: They won't give you a number and say this is

1043
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: how much your body needs. And if they say that

1044
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: to you, then that's a clear sign that that is

1045
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: not a very good health professional because it's just impossible

1046
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: to say that, Like, yes, we have calculations that can

1047
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: give us a bit of an estimation, but again, it's

1048
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: such an estimate, and what your body really needs is

1049
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: really just going to depend and it's a bit of

1050
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: trial and error and making sure you're hitting all of

1051
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: your nutrient needs and that you're eating in a way

1052
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: that makes you just feel good and have enough energy,

1053
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: have a balanced, stable mood. And these are things that

1054
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: are important, not what that number is, because it's going

1055
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: to differ day to day as well.

1056
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, Okay, next question, how many cheat meals should

1057
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: you be having in a week?

1058
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm a firm believer on there's no such

1059
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: thing as cheat meals.

1060
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: But to say I have cheat meals in like inverted commas.

1061
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think cheat meals Again, it's like associating

1062
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: food with something that you should it's cheating, it's bad,

1063
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: you should feel guilty about it. It's something to be

1064
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: ashamed about, and that is such a negative thing. I

1065
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: think that you should just be eating food, and that

1066
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: food isn't good or bad. Some you might a lot

1067
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: most of the time, be too using foods that are

1068
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: going to fuel your body best, that are nutrient dense

1069
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: that are really wholesome, and then other times you might

1070
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: be eating food that is more nourishing for the soul

1071
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: and you just really enjoy them and you love eating them.

1072
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: And that's okay.

1073
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that answer, Thank you so much. Okay, perfect.

1074
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: Next question, what would you recommend doing on those days

1075
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: when you just want to eat all the food? Eat

1076
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: all the food, all the food? Yes, well, I don't know.

1077
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: Does this just mean you're really hungry?

1078
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I exactly what you said, Like, if you

1079
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: are hungry, you should be eating.

1080
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: Exactly Like, if you're hungry, then eat, and if you're

1081
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: still hungry, then eat something else. And if it's more

1082
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: if it's coming from a place of you're not hungry

1083
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: at all and it's just a way to cope with

1084
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: boredom and stress, then try and deal with those underlying

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Speaker 2: feelings instead. But if you are hungry, then don't suppress that,

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Speaker 2: listen to your body, honor that hunger, and eat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, perfect, love it, okay. Next question, what are the

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Speaker 1: best foods to eat to lose weight?

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Speaker 2: I am a firm believer in that we should not

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Speaker 2: be eating to lose weight. We should be eating for health.

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Speaker 2: And if our body needs to lose weight and it

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Speaker 2: feels it's best out of weight that is lower than

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Speaker 2: the weight you're currently sitting at, then that will happen

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Speaker 2: over time if you are focusing on health and not

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Speaker 2: caring about the numbers. Oh and of course whole foods.

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Speaker 2: You know, your fruits, your vegetables, your whole grains, your legumes,

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Speaker 2: your nuts and seeds, all of those kind of foods

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Speaker 2: should make up the basis of your diet, yeap. And

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Speaker 2: if you're eating so much of those foods, then your

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Speaker 2: body is feeling good, You're moving towards a place of health,

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Speaker 2: You're more in tune with your body. You know you're

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Speaker 2: going to If you need to lose weight, you might

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Speaker 2: lose weight. But if you don't lose weight listening to

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Speaker 2: your body, nourishing your body, eating in a way that

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Speaker 2: makes you feel good mentally and physically, then your body

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Speaker 2: really did not need to lose weight. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's something that we need to accept, like not everyone

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Speaker 2: needs to lose weight, and for a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that can even be like a harmful thing. And if

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Speaker 2: you are having to restrict your calories and overexercise and

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Speaker 2: be super strict about your diet and and not do

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Speaker 2: the things you love just to maintain a certain weight.

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Speaker 2: Then that is not a way that your body is

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Speaker 2: meant to be.

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Speaker 1: At Yeah, one hundred percent. I love that. Okay, next question,

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Speaker 1: does it matter what time you consume certain macros for

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Speaker 1: example cups?

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Our bodies saw your post on this, and I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our bodies can't. There's such thing as circadian rhythm,

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Speaker 2: which a lot of people like will jump at me

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Speaker 2: out and be like, yeah, but what about circadium rhythm?

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Speaker 2: And it's more like that's just normal, like that we

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Speaker 2: eat most of our food during the day because that's

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Speaker 2: when we're active, that's when we are hungry, that's when

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Speaker 2: we are doing things and our bodies need the fuel.

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Speaker 2: And then at night is when we're sleeping. Like that's

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Speaker 2: just kind of common sense. But no, it's not like

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Speaker 2: a certain time of the day calves are suddenly going

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Speaker 2: to get stored as fat. That it's just not a thing,

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Speaker 2: And it's just not a thing. You can eat calves

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Speaker 2: at night and like your body will just process that

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Speaker 2: as normal. Like, for example, a lot of nights I

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Speaker 2: will only get home at eight o'clock and then I

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Speaker 2: will eat my usual dinner. It's no different to my

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Speaker 2: normal dinner, and I will have it at eight and

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Speaker 2: that's fine. It's not going to make me gain fat

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Speaker 2: or anything from that. The worst possible thing that can

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Speaker 2: happen is that I go to bed and I'm still

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Speaker 2: a little bit full and it doesn't make me feel

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Speaker 2: as great and my sleep is a bit worse than

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Speaker 2: I would have maybe liked. But that's honestly the worst

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Speaker 2: thing that can happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, perfect. Okay, last question, and this is

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Speaker 1: I love this question because I went through a bit

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Speaker 1: of issues with my hormones, so I love that people

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Speaker 1: are even interested in this. So the question is what

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Speaker 1: is the relationship between what you eat and your hormones?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, Well this is a huge question, sorry, because

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Speaker 2: there's actually, like, hormones are so many different things. So

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Speaker 2: for example, the hormone insulin, which we were talking about earlier,

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01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: is the hormone that allows our body to utilize the

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: carbohydrates as fuel. So that is a hormone that fluctuates

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Speaker 2: depending on our carbohydrate intake and our food intake, for example.

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Speaker 2: And then there's also the hormones leptin and grellin, which

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Speaker 2: are our hung grown fullness hormones, and they will fall

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Speaker 2: and rise, and then what this person that I think

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Speaker 2: is talking about is probably our reproductive hormones. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming because that's what most people think of when they

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Speaker 2: say hormones.

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Speaker 1: So true, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: They also are very much affected by our food. The

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Speaker 2: biggest problem that I see, the most common thing is

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Speaker 2: that people are under eating and that will cause their

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01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: bodies to Essentially it's a protective mechanism because the body

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01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: is thinking, Okay, I'm in a famine. It's not safe

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Speaker 2: for me to have a baby, so I'm going to

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Speaker 2: dial down these reproductive hormones so you can't feel pregnant.

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Speaker 1: And some lose their periods, well, yeah, lose their cycles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is basically a safety mechanism, and your

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: body is trying to conserve the energy that it's getting

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Speaker 2: and not wasting it on unnecessary for survival things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And it's a stress on the body. And this stress

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01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: is like sensed by our body and our hypothalamus, which

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Speaker 2: is the part of our brains that controls our hormones.

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Speaker 2: It actually reduces the production of these hormones and suppresses

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Speaker 2: ovulation and suppresses our cycle, so we lose our periods

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Speaker 2: in times of stress. And that stress can be under eating,

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: over exercising, or just mental stress, and that is a

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Speaker 2: big problem. And even intimate fasting has been shown to

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Speaker 2: have negative hormone consequences for women because a lot of

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Speaker 2: the studies that show benefits of intimate fasting are done

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Speaker 2: on men or animals and not women. And being in

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Speaker 2: that state, that fasted state for such a long time again,

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01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: is a stress on our bodies, which can cause our

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Speaker 2: hypothalamus to shut down our reproductive hormones and we lose

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Speaker 2: our cycles and that is a massive problem. Not having

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Speaker 2: a period has massive implications for our bone health. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a problem that is not talked about enough. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, Yeah, I realized that was like massive question

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: and I should not have put in there anyway.

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Speaker 2: But you're eating enough and eating a balanced diet without

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Speaker 2: you know, extremes. That is the best thing that we

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Speaker 2: can do for our hormones.

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Speaker 1: Perfect amazing. Okay, Well that's it for the fire around.

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Speaker 1: That was awesome. You answered them also perfectly, So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap this episode up now. I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on being the first

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Speaker 1: guest on the Rise and Conquer podcast. I'm feeling like

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Speaker 1: very like I said, like, I obviously knew a lot

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Speaker 1: of this information, but it's just so good, like having

1203
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: it replayed and making you think about it and just

1204
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: being more self aware, rising up all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to tell everyone just basically where

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01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: they can find you all that sort of stuff. I

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01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: know Nina does one on one consultations worldwide and has

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Speaker 1: clients that way. And I also know that she has

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Speaker 1: two amazing ebooks. I've got one and I'm obsessed like

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Speaker 1: literally the place. So I know you've got those resources,

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Speaker 1: But is there anything that you want to let people

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Speaker 1: know that you have or anything like that going on

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Sameless Plug, of course, go check out my

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Speaker 2: Instagram and follow me over there. I'm always posting stories

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01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: about these kind of topics that I've spoken about today,

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: and lots of recipes of course, we all know how

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Speaker 2: much people love recipes. And then yeah, if you are

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: looking for help with your nutrition, whether that's actual physical

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01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: nutrition or more your mindset and relationship with food, then

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Speaker 2: definitely reach out to me. I would love to set

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: up a Skype session together, or of course, if you

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01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: live in the area, see me in person, and that's

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01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 2: even more exciting. But yeah, it's such a big passion

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: of mine to help people get to a healthy place

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Speaker 2: and that is not just with what food they're eating,

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Speaker 2: but also how they feel and relate to the food

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Speaker 2: that they're eating. And yeah, it makes me so happy

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Speaker 2: to be able to see the changes in my clients

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Speaker 2: over the weeks that we're working together. It's just such

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Speaker 2: a rewarding feeling and I'm so proud of every single

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Speaker 2: one of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a mea and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Definitely check out my ear I've also got a free

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Speaker 2: ebook which is called Start with Self Love, which is

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: all about a lot of the things we talked about

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: today as well. It's got a seven day challenge of

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: things that you can do every day to bring a

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: little bit more self love into your daily routine and

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Speaker 2: it's Yeah, it's completely free to download and love it

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: and I think everyone can benefit from it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I could not agree, Like, yeah, I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: I will make sure that I put all those links

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Speaker 1: in our show notes for Nina, but her instagram is

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01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: naturally Underscore Nina Underscore on Instagram. Make sure you go

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01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: follow her check her out. She seriously has the best

1247
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: content and like I said, she does the Nobs approach,

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: which is so needed on social media. So make sure

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Speaker 1: you follow her and then she'll have all the links

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01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: the other stuff on her Instagram. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: I will put the links in the show notes for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, it's been such a pleasure.

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: No, thank you, Nina. I hope you have an amazing

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: day you too, Bye.

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Speaker 3: Bye, thank you so much for listening in.

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Speaker 1: If you like this episode, make sure you subscribe to

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Speaker 1: you have an amazing day or night whenever you are

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Speaker 1: listening in. Bye for now, and I'll talk to you soon.