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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: How are you going very well, Minister? These vouchers they

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Speaker 1: Catherine Litchfield.

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Speaker 2: How did they go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've gone really really well the last few months

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Speaker 3: So it's been taken up really really well. The Darwin

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Speaker 3: We know that there was about twenty four thousand participants

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we'd really encourage people who were to download

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, So obviously Darwin's been exhausted, but for some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly there's still opportunity for people everywhere outside of

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Speaker 2: Help out the minister.

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Speaker 1: There has been a lot sort of ticking along when

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Speaker 3: Well, probably those two things that you've touched on, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I mean, with the utmost respect. What is happening at

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Speaker 3: We'll get together again over the next couple of days

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Speaker 1: And look, I guess from me you know, you guys

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Speaker 2: This, please please please bear.

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Speaker 3: O Katie. Those discussions happen every week in cabinet and

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Speaker 1: What public it's not about listening to me, It's about

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Speaker 1: It's about listening to everyday people. And you know, even

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Speaker 3: We are absolutely We met with those retailers groups again yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You're going to continue to make sure that there are

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Speaker 3: There's no silver bullet for it, Katie, but I just

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon we need to have a relook at,

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Speaker 3: Look, we're absolutely happy to work with police about any

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Speaker 2: And look, I wasn't planning on going.

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Speaker 2: Are we looking at all those leavers.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at any leavers that we can. We're the

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Speaker 2: Minister, before I let you go, Rob has called through.

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Speaker 1: He wants to know how are the East arm boat

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Speaker 2: I hope they do as well.

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Speaker 1: Minister, if you can give us a bit of an update,

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Speaker 3: Yep, no, we certainly will find that info at and

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Speaker 3: send it through Kaddie good Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Minister Paul Kirby, the Minister for Small Business and various

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate that. Thanks Gaddie, Thank you,