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Speaker 1: Kezierpuic joining us on the line right now, get a Keasier.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Katie. Very interesting day today for sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh isn't it just Kezier. I'll ask you first about

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Speaker 1: this ambulance review. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 2: Katie? This is a third review in as many months,

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Speaker 2: and I find it very curious, two three months out

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Speaker 2: from a general election that this Labor government says, oh,

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Speaker 2: we need to have a review into the same John

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Speaker 2: Ambulance and its ambulance services. We're not talking about training,

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Speaker 2: will volunteer or first aid, get supplies, et cetera, just

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Speaker 2: the emergency ambulance service. And I think it's just curious

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Speaker 2: three months out and then the results won't be known

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Speaker 2: to after the election sometime in July. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: that this is a political ploy. Look, I thought the

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Speaker 2: same review.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the same. I thought exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, why do we need a third

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Speaker 1: review this close to an election, within the results of

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Speaker 1: that review or the outcome of that review not known

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Speaker 1: until towards the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: That's right, I mean, I think gets done to placate

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Speaker 2: the Union. I mean, let's be honest. The unions have

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Speaker 2: been quite open and quite vocal about their opposition to

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Speaker 2: this labor government in regards to their position on gas,

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Speaker 2: b toloo, fracking, et cetera, middle arm, everything to do

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Speaker 2: with the gas industry from the word go to the

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Speaker 2: final product. Now, I don't have an issue with er

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Speaker 2: in Early. I think she does a very good job

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Speaker 2: for her union. That's what her job is. But I

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Speaker 2: find it curious that when you have a unionized organization

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Speaker 2: or group, there's always going to be unrest. Like look

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Speaker 2: at the fire service, you know, look at any other

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Speaker 2: situation where you've got units. When Impets was being built,

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Speaker 2: there was all sorts of union issies, you know, power

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Speaker 2: and water always union issies. That's a given. That's their

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Speaker 2: job to look after the workers. But you know, this

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Speaker 2: business about giving the ambulance service or the government to

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Speaker 2: take it back, the government never had it. The government

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Speaker 2: never had the ambulance service. The ambulance service was the

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Speaker 2: deal was structured after cyclone tracing for the ambulance service.

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Speaker 2: And there's no one around that would remember that far.

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Speaker 2: They probably, but it was after the cyclone tracing the

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Speaker 2: government of the day, which is pre no after self government,

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Speaker 2: no pre self government. Nothing that Saint John was best

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Speaker 2: equipped to run the imogity ambulances because they had the

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Speaker 2: ambulances for their volunteer work. And since that time, Saint John,

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Speaker 2: which is a private organization, has run that ambulance amongst

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Speaker 2: other things. If the government, in their poor wisdom, was

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Speaker 2: to decide, oh, yes, we think we'll take it over

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Speaker 2: here would be a huge cost of taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I want us.

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Speaker 2: All the vehicles they own, all the vehicles, cater own,

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Speaker 2: all the equipment they own, the physical land and the

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Speaker 2: centers that the ambulance centers are on. They have a

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Speaker 2: workshop that services the vehicles, you know, to kick them

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Speaker 2: on the road, whatever vehicle it is. So you know,

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Speaker 2: it's fine for these some officers to say, oh, we

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Speaker 2: want the government, we want to be a government department.

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Speaker 2: That's not reality. And honestly, I think if you ask

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Speaker 2: the government they would say, yes, we had no issue

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Speaker 2: reviewing Saint John because they're getting a lot of taxpayers money,

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Speaker 2: and fair enough, we've got to make sure it's being

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Speaker 2: spent properly, efficiently, effectively. But I just think this review

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Speaker 2: is just timely given the election, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: to crocate the unions well, and that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: I think they're doing an okay job, Saint John and Taddy.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is they would be so bloody busy

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Speaker 2: if we didn't have so much bloody clime on our

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Speaker 2: streets and people getting hurt and paramedics being stretched to

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Speaker 2: the limit. If there was not so much crime and

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Speaker 2: people hurting each other, punching, stabbing, shooting crossbows, whatever, we

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have such a stretched ambulance. So it comes back

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Speaker 2: to the lawlessness that we currently have in our territory.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm finding it hard to disagree with you on

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that you're saying this morning.

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Speaker 1: Keys here, Like, I agree that lawlessness that we're saying

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Speaker 1: must be having such a huge impact.

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Speaker 2: Mostly our college on the first one to say that,

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Speaker 2: and of course everyone would agree. You know, whether it

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Speaker 2: and killing each other and whatever. It's driving the level

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Speaker 2: of crime and it's driving the level of harm. And

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Speaker 2: that's why police, the resources are stretched, ambiance resources are

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Speaker 2: stressed coming into our drives and you'll buy our fire

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Speaker 2: services a stress. Ye, look, I just think who's paying

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Speaker 2: for this review as well?

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Speaker 1: And also though, yeah, how much is it going to cost?

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Speaker 1: I did ask Aaron to this as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: our hospital system is going in and out of code

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Speaker 1: yellows at the moment too, Like we know that our

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Speaker 1: hospitals are under resources, they are understrained. So then how

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Speaker 1: are we going to go if our ambulance service also

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Speaker 1: gets picked up by the health department? And she said, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: there may be a situation where it actually goes under

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Speaker 1: the Department of the Emergency Services and fieries.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen, Katie, it will not happen

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Speaker 2: that way. I mean, I think something she said was

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Speaker 2: not quite correct. Like in the past it has changed,

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Speaker 2: but Saint John used to run the ambulance service in

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Speaker 2: Wa and also in Queensland. But I think that situations

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Speaker 2: change and they're just doing the traditional Saint John ambulance

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Speaker 2: activities in those states. But you know, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: the system is broke. If there's ways to create more efficiency,

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Speaker 2: good Yeah, And I know St John would be pleased

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Speaker 2: to welcome any review that helps them do their job better.

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Speaker 2: The reason they need more funding is because they're doing

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Speaker 2: so much all work, because people are hurting each other

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Speaker 2: and killing each other. That's the reason they need more funding.

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Speaker 2: And that's you know, if you could have ambulance services

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Speaker 2: that could go into code yellow, I'm sure they're permanently

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Speaker 2: in a code yellow situation.

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Speaker 1: I reckon they'd be under a lot of stress, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Well do you know that, Parmason, you're at the regional

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Speaker 2: hospital and then you've got that sort of emergency health

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Speaker 2: center at the Palmerston precinct that was closed on Thursday

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Speaker 2: Friday because they couldn't get any doctors because I had

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Speaker 2: we had to take my mother to the hospital because

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Speaker 2: her bloody kangaroo did a chunk out of her arm.

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Speaker 2: And I would have, Oh, no, I don't worry that

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Speaker 2: kangaroos got a good clip under the ears. Put a

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Speaker 2: little bloody, put a little cracker in its pouch and

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Speaker 2: they'll make it hoop along. Pet kangaroo. All right, about

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Speaker 2: pet kangaroo, She's called hissy fit for a very good reason.

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Speaker 2: But my point is that I would have preferred, my

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Speaker 2: sister would have preferred to take that censer. It's sort

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Speaker 2: of like an emergency, but it was closed. Some people

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Well, there's so many issues, I think in

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Speaker 1: terms of the stress on our health system, right, I

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Speaker 1: think it's such a it's a it's been a bit

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Speaker 1: of a sleeper issue because we've all been so concerned

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Speaker 1: with the issues of crime and personal safety, but it

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Speaker 1: is something that's impacting so many people. Kes I just

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Speaker 1: want to move on very quickly, though, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you just very quickly. We know that the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory KAC Commissioner has well he tabled a report in

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Speaker 1: Parliament last night, the Northern Territories corruption watchdog recommending greatest

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Speaker 1: scrutiny on politicians traveling at the taxpayers expense during election

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Speaker 1: campaigns in a report that was released. I mean, Kesier,

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Speaker 1: have you had much of an opportunity to look at this?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it passes a pub test?

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Speaker 2: The bloody passes no pub test. I mean, I just

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Speaker 2: find it remarkable. The IKA commission and Commissioner finds that

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Speaker 2: the planes were flown to these three community with Michael

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Speaker 2: Gunner and his staff and who else on polling day

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Speaker 2: and it was in his diary that he was going

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Speaker 2: find misappropriation of funds. I mean seriously, like you can't

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Speaker 2: sit on the fence. I mean, you sit on a

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Speaker 2: barbe our fence, You're going to get bloody hurt, that's

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Speaker 2: for sure, you know. And I just find it amazing that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the whole report is about I found this,

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Speaker 2: I found that, this is this, this is that. Oh

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Speaker 2: and by the way, I don't find any course from

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Speaker 2: misconduct when it's clear as black and white in the

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Speaker 2: then Chief Minister's diary Michael Gunner that he was traveling

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Speaker 2: biplane to these communities on polling day and yet he

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Speaker 2: said it was from ministery or bloody work for bullshit.

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Speaker 2: It was in caretaker mode. There shouldn't have been any

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Speaker 2: expenditure like that in caretaker mode, which for people listening,

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Speaker 2: means as soon as the government goes into caretaker mode,

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Speaker 2: no unusual expenditure of potments or decisions are made.

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Speaker 1: Mass of that caretaker mode really doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It, Yes, And it's just extraordinary this report. So I

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Speaker 2: just find it amazing. I just think, you know, there

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Speaker 2: needs to be a serious, hard look at perhaps what

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Speaker 2: goes into the kap and perhaps what comes out. I

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Speaker 2: get it. I know I've got history and I've got

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Speaker 2: a conflict of interest there. Yeah, and I've put that

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Speaker 2: out there. But I just find that report extraordinary that

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Speaker 2: there was nothing found. So what else is going to

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Speaker 2: come out of that commission? Where it's a bit of

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Speaker 2: a bob each way? You know, have a picture of

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Speaker 2: Donna on the other side of the board. You sometimes

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Speaker 2: have to make a hard decision and say this is

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Speaker 2: not right.

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Speaker 1: Well, can you see the.

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Speaker 2: Recommendations are just like, oh, you know, electoral losses should

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Speaker 2: do this, and elector losses should put in time shifts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, he didn't. I wonder if he actually

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Speaker 2: spoke to any electoral officers.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, look, I'm not one hundred percent of I will.

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Speaker 1: I will certainly be continuing to talk about this now, No,

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Speaker 1: when that was tomorrow. I'm off to run a marathon.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 2: Can't make sure you eat, drink those elf things that

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Speaker 2: hit your legs normal something along the way. Thank you, easier,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So you like by now