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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just answers.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: On today's Happy Families Podcast, we are looking at five

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Speaker 1: parenting trends to watch in twenty twenty four. I've been

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Speaker 1: scouring the internet TikTok, spending some time with Kylie, looking

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Speaker 1: at what the trends are going to be, and we've

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Speaker 1: got them for you. The five trends to understand what's

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Speaker 1: happening with parenting in twenty twenty four. If you want

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Speaker 1: to be on trend, and social media is pushing those

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Speaker 1: trends harder than ever with TikTok at the front of it.

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Speaker 1: These five trends are the ones to watch in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. The first one, Kylie.

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Speaker 2: I digress, but I just want to know, have you

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Speaker 2: ever been on trend?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Come on, look at me, look at the address.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just putting it out there. Trend has never

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Speaker 2: been something I've aspired to ever, but I am interested

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Speaker 2: to hear where this conversation goes today.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Trend Number one, according to the trend spotters, is

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Speaker 1: that parents are going to be celebrating small wins this

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Speaker 1: year rather than the big stuff. Parents well, including on

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Speaker 1: top of the big stuff, parents, based on Pinterest research,

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Speaker 1: are all about the mini achievements this year.

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Speaker 2: So pinterest released a report for twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 2: it's suggesting that parents won't be waiting for specific days

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Speaker 1: So I think that you've been on trend for the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four to twenty five years because this is

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Speaker 1: something that you have always done with our kids. Something

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Speaker 1: cool happens and it's like, well, let's celebrate it. This

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Speaker 1: is like it's a mini achievement, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: turn it into something this is something that you just

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Speaker 1: love to do will.

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Speaker 2: Pinterest analyzed user intent and reported a huge uptick in

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Speaker 2: searches for things like end of school year party, monthly

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Speaker 2: milestone ideas.

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Speaker 1: Monthly milestones, really yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Baby naming ceremonies, potty training reward ideas, and parties to

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to have one of those soon. We've

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Speaker 1: got to grand baby who's going to have a first

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Speaker 2: I don't know any mum who celebrates first teeth.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to do that because we're the

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Speaker 1: grandparents and we can. I've got already cringed.

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Speaker 2: You've gotting it on trend here remembering those bites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. So that's what pinterest is saying about it.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four. Tiny triumphs will make the heart

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Speaker 2: grow fonder as parents sprinkle party vibes on her kids

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Speaker 2: not so grand moments, babies, first tooth, here's a cupcake,

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Speaker 2: potty training success, Extra sprinkles please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, what's your reaction to this? What's your reaction

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Speaker 1: to celebrating small wins.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's a really beautiful notion. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: it's something that I have strived to do in our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really bag it out because you've been

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Speaker 2: No, but while I have celebrated, I don't think I

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Speaker 2: have put a huge amount of effort into it. I

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Speaker 1: Well that's because we haven't been taking photos and putting

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Speaker 2: But what I love about it is I think too

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Speaker 2: results right, and the idea that we might celebrate smaller

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Speaker 2: milestones in our kids' lives offers them grace, us grace,

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Speaker 1: Now you get excited. Change my mind about what I

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Speaker 1: was going to say. You're saying celebrate because life is

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Speaker 1: I'm torn because, I mean, you do this stuff so

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Speaker 2: But I think that's the difference, Like why are you

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Speaker 2: shape or form. It's not something that I have invested

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't have a problem with everyone getting a

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Speaker 1: I mean, research shows it feels good to make progress,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a whole lot of fun if

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Speaker 1: people do it wisely. Second big trend for twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: Sharanting's all about parents share it all those milestones and

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Speaker 2: So why is charenting out?

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Speaker 1: Though? Two words? Sam Altman?

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Speaker 1: Sam Altman is the guy who's behind chat gpt. And

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Speaker 1: of course it's not just chat GPT. There's a whole

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Speaker 2: So people upset at sam Oltwyn.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, Well, well potentially maybe there's a whole

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Speaker 1: the author of Sharenthood, Why we Should Think Before we

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Speaker 1: talk about our kids Online. It's a book Sharenthood while

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Speaker 3: know that existing generative AI tools and emerging ones are

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Speaker 3: as grandparents, aunts, uncles, teachers, coaches, and other trusted adults

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Speaker 3: being a combination of the words share and parent. Most

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Speaker 3: more than ever, it is time for us as adults

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Speaker 2: I hear something like that, and obviously, in my beautiful

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Speaker 1: That's kind of how I feel as well. But you

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Speaker 1: such a long time here in Australia, and his basic argument.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to Madonna King about this recently. She

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Speaker 1: that your kids aren't being exploited online. I know always

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Speaker 1: used to double negative there, but essentially there's no way

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Speaker 1: In other words, your kids may not actually be being exploited,

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Speaker 1: but their imagery could be. And even that's sickening, right,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely just just awful. And so there's this brand

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Speaker 2: So I guess we're going to see more food on

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Speaker 1: number three for twenty twenty four. Parental benign neglect is in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Benign neglect is neglecting your kids, but in a

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Speaker 1: not going to do any damage to you. We're talking

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Speaker 2: It's been my whole parenting journey.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I have some overarching philosophy. I

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Speaker 4: also think it's okay if they suffer from a little

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Speaker 4: bit of benign total where their lives are their own.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to live their life, and I don't

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Speaker 1: Is there research on this, So first thing I have

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Speaker 1: lot more American than it is Australian. Ossie parents tend

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Speaker 1: appreciate that you've been listening to the podcast. Hopefully you've

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Speaker 1: our executive producer. For more information about making your family

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