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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now is Bill Yan,

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Speaker 1: the member of for Namajira and also the opposition spokesperson

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Speaker 1: when it comes to fishing and various other things. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. Always happy to talk about fishing.

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Speaker 1: I bet you are. Bill. Did you just hear the

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Speaker 1: Minister Paul Kirby on the show and what was your

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Speaker 1: reaction to some of those concerns that are being raised

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Speaker 1: at the moment by the Amateur Fishermen's Association and the

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Speaker 1: Seafood Council.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I just listened to the Minister and the

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Speaker 2: Seafood Counsel on Appan have got some really really valid

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Speaker 2: concerns along with Ashley the President out there at King

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Speaker 2: ash Bad. A lot of uncertainty sitting around this whole

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Speaker 2: Fisheries Act change at the moment, and the govern need

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit more open and transparent about

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Speaker 2: what they're actually up to, because that hasn't come out

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Speaker 2: in the last week or so that we've got these

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Speaker 2: changes to the Act, which actually go I suppose bigger

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Speaker 2: than the Blue Mud Bay discussions, because the changes to

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Speaker 2: the Fisheries Act give rights to aquatic resources, so that's

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Speaker 2: outside what Blue Mud Bay is the Blue Mud Bay

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Speaker 2: stuff is about then access to rivers and coastal areas again,

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Speaker 2: and there's deals being done between government and NLC about this,

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Speaker 2: But what's concerning fishers and tour operators. Won't we took

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Speaker 2: a tour operators, So we've got to think a little

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Speaker 2: bit bigger picture. It's it's not just those fishing charter operations.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about possibly the jumping crop crews on the

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Speaker 2: Adelaide River, the yellow water cruises that are being run

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Speaker 2: throughout the place. This has the opportunity or the ability

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Speaker 2: to affect all of those things, and government need to

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Speaker 2: be in there fighting for those business owners and those

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Speaker 2: operators to make sure that they're going to have a

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Speaker 2: livelihood come one January. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I know that the ministers at pains to say that

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Speaker 1: those major waterways are not going to change, but there

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Speaker 1: are still some concerns being raised about the likes of

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Speaker 1: Shady Camp. There's also concerns being raised, like I touched

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Speaker 1: on about king Ash Bay amongst others. What particular areas

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Speaker 1: are you most worried about at this point in time

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Speaker 1: and do you think that there's great uncertainty around.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's going to be there's great uncertainty around access.

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Speaker 2: So we've seen some of those native title climes, those

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Speaker 2: land rights claims, and if you look at Shady Camp

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Speaker 2: as the example, the report done by the Lands Commissioner federally,

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Speaker 2: the wording in that is just it's crazy. The fact

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Speaker 2: that they actually say that sporadic use of the Shady

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Speaker 2: Camp barrage in ramp, that's just absolute madness. That place

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Speaker 2: is fact and I think, as I've said, and a

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Speaker 2: number of people said, it's one of the busiest ramps

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Speaker 2: outside of Darwin. And for government to not go and

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Speaker 2: call out the Lands Commissioner on that comment and say,

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Speaker 2: well that's probably not correct. That's a very very busy area.

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Speaker 2: And considering the fact that the territory government's invested needs

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Speaker 2: upon means at dollars into Shady Camp and the ramp

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Speaker 2: and the car park access for wreck fishes, to then

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Speaker 2: put up with the Land Commissioner saying only sporated use

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Speaker 2: is just it doesn't make any sense. They should be

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Speaker 2: those tour operators who specifically say use.

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Speaker 1: Shading Camp, well, there's going to be people listening this morning,

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Speaker 1: who are thinking, well, shouldn't traditional owners be able to

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, we've never said that we don't support the

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Speaker 2: traditional owners in there and the land claims that are underway.

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Speaker 2: That's given and that comes up out of the blue

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Speaker 2: mud baty issues and we certainly support that. But what

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Speaker 2: the government needs there was to be working with in

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Speaker 2: now fueling all sorts of issues across various sectors that

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Speaker 2: the reck fishing sector, that particularly the commercial industries that

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Speaker 2: the Catherine Winchester has come out from ntceafood caam soon

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Speaker 2: said that there's a lack of investment in seafood industry

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Speaker 2: We've got to stop that. We need those dollars coming

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she'd spoken to us on the show last week

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Speaker 1: and had said exactly that. You know, she'd raised some

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Speaker 1: very serious concerns around the future and future investment when

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Speaker 1: it comes to you to the Seafood Industry Bill. Where

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of things caved initially spring to mind.

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Speaker 2: And speaking with David from AFAN, he spoke about this

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Speaker 2: by territory government. That was according to David, and I

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Speaker 2: to probably see that report and actually see what it says,

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Speaker 2: because we had that document lead to the ABC some

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Speaker 2: time ago. From speaking about governments and involvement, how fisheries

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Speaker 2: have been cut out of the legislative charge to the

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Speaker 2: Fisheries Act. We've got to make sure fisheries involved in

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Speaker 2: They actually know what's going on, and we need to

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Speaker 2: make sure that there's very very open discussion and of

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Speaker 1: Future Bill today, we are expecting that the age of

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Speaker 1: criminal responsibility is going to be raised. Do you think

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Speaker 1: this is in line with the community's expectations.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Okay, and I'm speaking about my

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Speaker 2: community expectations down there. What it does it disempowers the

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Speaker 2: there's behaviors of concern and actually provide a direction for

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Speaker 2: the kids under the age of twelve to attend programs

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Speaker 2: going to reduce crime. It's probably just going to empower

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Speaker 2: some of those unscrupulous people within our community to utilize

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Speaker 1: So, Bill, what exactly is the process today in Parliament

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Speaker 2: So the government gave notice that it was going to

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Speaker 2: come up. We believe it's going to come on today,

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Speaker 2: so we'll have debate about it today, So the opposition

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Speaker 2: we think about the legislation. Of course, government will speak

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Speaker 2: in support of it, and then will there'll be some

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Speaker 2: consideration in details to some of the causes and change

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Speaker 2: this act. So it could be another long day in Parliament,

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Speaker 2: no doubt we'll probably we see the change this Act

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Speaker 1: Well, it does seem as though there's a lot being

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Speaker 2: Oh it's been There's been so much pushed through last week, Katie,

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Speaker 2: and then what we're going to see the same this week.

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Speaker 2: The change to the End of Discrimination Act, also the

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Speaker 2: changes to Mandatory Sentencing and the Sentencing Act all pushed through.

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Speaker 2: None of the stuff that we raised in consideration in

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Speaker 2: with no thoughts to anybody else.

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Speaker 1: Is it time for us to look at things. You know,

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Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to you it's mandatory sentencing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the raising of criminal age and then separate separately obviously

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Speaker 1: mandatory sentencing. Is it time for us to look at

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt that we need to look at

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Speaker 2: things differently. But I look at the stuff around the

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Speaker 2: this from my history in corrections. The judiciary already had

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Speaker 2: the ability to push people across to programs and different

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Speaker 2: the programs had not existed, so the judiciary didn't have

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Speaker 2: the opportunity. Now we're seeing this change specifically to the

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Speaker 2: saying well, these offenders will go and do all leader

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Speaker 2: this programs, Well, they don't exist where we're going to

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Speaker 2: get the people to deliver them. There's only limited programs

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Speaker 2: out there now. Tree could have used this previously if

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Speaker 2: putting the horse before the car. It doesn't make a

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Speaker 2: if the programs had been put in place. But we're

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Speaker 2: here in the age of he's saying that, well, I'm

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Speaker 2: an until those programs are in place. Well, that could

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Speaker 2: just or they'll push it through without the programs there.

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Speaker 2: We're going to see issues with victims. We're going to

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Speaker 2: see victims put at higher risk because those offenders, particularly

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Speaker 1: Hey, Bill, just on a side note, have you had

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Speaker 1: any update or any word as to out at Holt.

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Speaker 1: You know that area of the prison that was obviously

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Speaker 1: extensively damaged in a riot a while back. Have you

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Speaker 1: got any idea whether it's back operational or not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure, Cad. It haven't spoken to with

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Speaker 2: and there's been some charges laid against some of the

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Speaker 2: offenders that were responsible for that. But it was always

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Speaker 2: going to be a very, very long and lengthy repair

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Speaker 2: process because I remember seeing the damage and it was

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Speaker 2: it was extensive the damage out there, so but mainly

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Speaker 2: so that hinders the prisons opportunity to deliver programs and

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Speaker 2: they had to find alternative areas to do that. So

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Speaker 2: you think a couple of years on that that hopefully

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Speaker 2: as the contractors in the ability for them to get

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Speaker 2: in there and actually do those repeats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be keen to find out well. Bill Yan

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Speaker 1: the opposition spokesperson for various portfolios, but Parks and Rangers.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, great to talk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,