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Speaker 1: music sensation Jac from Big Brother twenty twenty two. He
Speaker 1: has been eliminated from the competition and we're going to
Speaker 1: unpack his time in the house, plus to spell any
Speaker 1: rumors that may have started during the series run. JC
Speaker 1: entered the house with Alisha and Johnson, and the three
Speaker 1: of them had an alliance like no other. The initial
Speaker 1: bond had them in a friend group that looked destined
Speaker 1: for the final three. The online betting odds had him
Speaker 1: as a leading favorite amongst the newbies to win the competition,
Speaker 1: and while he has lost that race, there is plenty
Speaker 1: to celebrate for this housemate who has a bright future ahead.
Speaker 1: JC clashed with Drew, made alliances one challenges, and wrapped
Speaker 1: his way through the Big Brother experience, and we will
Speaker 1: talk about his new album, his secret or not so
Speaker 1: secret girlfriend, the way in which he processed the game
Speaker 1: post exit, and what he thinks will be in the
Speaker 1: finale of Big Brother twenty twenty two on the twelfth
Speaker 1: of July. Sadly, I don't think it will be a
Speaker 1: disco remix of Oates Ala Leila. However, let's get started
Speaker 1: with today's guest. I'd like to welcome JC to TV reload.
Speaker 2: The show doesn't show two percent of what is actually happening.
Speaker 2: We've been through a lot together hood we I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like I was playing for the money this year.
Speaker 2: It's my twenty first birth day. I had to work
Speaker 2: on my social game. I had to really lean on
Speaker 2: some personality traits that I normally wouldn't lean on. And
Speaker 2: I've invited housemates both new and legendary, and I was
Speaker 2: playing a similar game to Marley. Will the experience be
Speaker 2: enough to take on the next generation of Housemaids. The
Speaker 2: resilience that built from being on that show has made
Speaker 2: me a better person. This is Big Brother.
Speaker 1: Hi JC, how are you?
Speaker 2: What's up? How are we doing well?
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your time in the Big Brother House. Was
Speaker 1: this experience anything like you expected?
Speaker 2: Actually, it was so much more than I expected. I
Speaker 2: thought it was just gonna be. Yeah, we go in
Speaker 2: the house, there's only some fun games and there's only
Speaker 2: some twists and turns. But no, it's actually so much more.
Speaker 2: I learned so much about myself. I had so much
Speaker 2: personal growth fifty days in the house. It's like that's
Speaker 2: your world. You really live and breathe everything you're told
Speaker 2: and see, and those people in the house are like,
Speaker 2: it's family now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's actually really strange that that does exist that way,
Speaker 1: because even the people you don't really like you end
Speaker 1: up so supportive of them on the outside world as well.
Speaker 1: Like you can turn around and say to your mates, oh,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, it's a nightmare, but if they say
Speaker 1: that back to you, you're like, no.
Speaker 2: You can never explain it. It's cool to have the
Speaker 2: show because they get an idea of everyone, but there
Speaker 2: is so much more that you can just never you know,
Speaker 2: it's between you and the house. You won't understand if
Speaker 2: you tell someone.
Speaker 1: You to me though, strike me as someone who's a
Speaker 1: very together person. So when you talk about learning things
Speaker 1: about yourself, can you tell me a little bit more
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: I want. The reason I did Big Brother was I
Speaker 2: wanted to show myself to Australia. People see me online
Speaker 2: making tiktoks or forming or doing music, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to strip those labels off me for a second and
Speaker 2: just be JC the human. And I quickly found that
Speaker 2: I really was latching onto those identities in the real world.
Speaker 2: I was latching onto those identities. I'm this artist, I'm
Speaker 2: this guy. And then when I was in the house,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm just I had to work
Speaker 2: on my social game. I had to dig some stories
Speaker 2: up from stories I've never told. I had to really
Speaker 2: lean on some personality traits that I normally wouldn't lean on.
Speaker 2: And being in the house just surrounded by so many
Speaker 2: big personalities, I thought I was a big personality. But
Speaker 2: then I'm like, Okay, maybe I need to take a
Speaker 2: step back and change my change what strategy I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to play.
Speaker 1: Is there maybe a little bit of truth behind the
Speaker 1: ability to hide who we truly are? Or who you
Speaker 1: truly are. When you're on platforms like TikTok, they're highly edited.
Speaker 1: You can control what you want to put out there,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're handing something like
Speaker 1: your entire identity over to something like Big Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think control is the key word there. When
Speaker 2: you have control of the product, you can really do
Speaker 2: anything you want. Like, you know, I edit my tiktoks
Speaker 2: so and I can do as many takes as I want.
Speaker 2: But when you're in the BB houses, old, go, go go,
Speaker 2: and you just got to surrender to the process and
Speaker 2: let Big Brother edit it how he wants, put it
Speaker 2: up how he wants. And there's no takes in Big Brother.
Speaker 2: It's all on the fly. You don't know what's going
Speaker 2: to be on the show either, so you just got
Speaker 2: to always show up. And I think the resilience that
Speaker 2: built from being on that show has made me a
Speaker 2: better person because every single day you've got to give
Speaker 2: it like one hundred and ten percent because you just
Speaker 2: don't know what's coming.
Speaker 1: I think the currency for Big Brother and the way
Speaker 1: in which you need to connect with audiences and the
Speaker 1: other housemates is being your most authentic self. And you know,
Speaker 1: showing the good and the bad, and I think that's
Speaker 1: when people sort of connect to you. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that that game has forced you to do that
Speaker 1: in a way.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, there was definitely some very triumphant moments, and
Speaker 2: I had some kind of funny moments at bad moments,
Speaker 2: as you would say, like the shopping challenge where I
Speaker 2: messed up, and then I had my great moment where
Speaker 2: the second chance challenge to win against Lara and Lulu,
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's there was many sides to my character
Speaker 2: on the show, and I think, yeah, I played a
Speaker 2: really great social game and I'm proud of myself for that.
Speaker 1: I was really happy with your entire gameplay until we
Speaker 1: got to the eviction.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm being honest, do I even want to stay here?
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Johnson's go home, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to see Alsia going because I want to
Speaker 2: lead you to win. Maybe I should just tell you, guys,
Speaker 2: oh that I don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 1: And I felt like, you're I don't want to be
Speaker 1: His speech was really shocking to me because You've given
Speaker 1: up so much to be there, you know, and then
Speaker 1: here you were saying no, I eliminate me. Was that
Speaker 1: how you really felt.
Speaker 2: I think it's more so the fact that the people
Speaker 2: are sitting next to you know. I had Johnson, who
Speaker 2: was like my best mate in the house. I had Alisia,
Speaker 2: was another best friend in the house, and we came
Speaker 2: in the house together and we wanted to be the
Speaker 2: final three together. And I just knew that it meant
Speaker 2: maybe more to them. Johnson was a super fan, Alicia
Speaker 2: had this crazy backstory, and I felt like I did
Speaker 2: fifty days in the house. Now I could. I could
Speaker 2: leave and be happy, but I know Johnson it would
Speaker 2: probably live with them a little bit more because it's
Speaker 2: his dream to do Big Brother. It wasn't so much
Speaker 2: like vote me out. It was just more so And
Speaker 2: it could have been strategy even at the time, because
Speaker 2: I was trying to organize a blind side on Elisha.
Speaker 2: At one point during the scramble, I was in the
Speaker 2: treehouse with Brenton and I was like, I need you
Speaker 2: to put a point in Elisha. And I said it
Speaker 2: to Tarras, I need you to put a point on Leisha.
Speaker 2: It was very clear that people had their mindset. Brenton
Speaker 2: was like, yo, man, look, I can't do that. I
Speaker 2: have to put it on you, Like as much as
Speaker 2: I don't want it, I have to put it on you.
Speaker 2: Reggie had a mindset. Tim obviously, Gabby obviously. I knew
Speaker 2: it was so obviously going to be me if Estale
Speaker 2: and Taras held their votes and I put one on
Speaker 2: Johnson and then miraculously someone to other people did or
Speaker 2: whatever I could have, I could have forced the draw
Speaker 2: but even if I forced the drawer, Tim's the one
Speaker 2: calling the shots. I kind of came to grips with it,
Speaker 2: and that's that's what that was in the eviction room.
Speaker 1: So it has nothing to do with maybe your passion
Speaker 1: for the game lacking a little bit because of maybe
Speaker 1: that being a symptom of the way in which you
Speaker 1: were picked. I mean, Johnson is a super fan and
Speaker 1: Alisha I believe both of them applied the normal way
Speaker 1: where you know, producers found you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was a point a part where
Speaker 2: I didn't want to win them. Well, it's not that
Speaker 2: I didn't want to win the money, but I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like I was playing for the money, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't. There was a part of me It's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to win this thing. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: do this. I know what I'm My thing is. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a musician. I'm an artist. I'm a performer. That's
Speaker 2: really my passion. And I was like Johnson, the same
Speaker 2: way I feel about music is how Johnson feels about
Speaker 2: this game. You know, he's watched every single episode and
Speaker 2: he's watched every single thing, and You're right, he had
Speaker 2: the passion for it. And I had the passion for
Speaker 2: the experience, and the passion for the tests and the
Speaker 2: challenges and just trying something new and bettering myself. But
Speaker 2: the passion to take it all the way to the
Speaker 2: end and go down as a Big Brother legend, not
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: You know. I think it's a great answer. From the
Speaker 1: minute I heard that you were going into the show,
Speaker 1: you know, you were a recognizable person on the outside
Speaker 1: that we could google and we could already have seen
Speaker 1: in some capacity. And then I was curious about this
Speaker 1: whole Big Brother experience. I mean, how has been on
Speaker 1: Big Brother affected your music? You know, has been on
Speaker 1: reality TV added to your fan base?
Speaker 2: I think it did what I thought it was. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what, what it's done has showed people another
Speaker 2: side of me. The fans that have been watching now
Speaker 2: feel like they know j Seymour. People know me now
Speaker 2: for JC, not just JC the artists. It's definitely opened
Speaker 2: me up to a new demographic. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: translated like like if there was a graph. It's not
Speaker 2: like Big Brother than Music, Spike. It hasn't really translated
Speaker 2: like that where I've seen massive waves of new fans
Speaker 2: and new streams and all this sort of thing. I
Speaker 2: think it's just for the people that knew, they now
Speaker 2: know me more. It's a bit of credibility for my
Speaker 2: profile moving forward. But I quickly learned that I had
Speaker 2: to disconnect from the show because the show doesn't show
Speaker 2: two percent of what is actually happening. So I disconnected
Speaker 2: from the show, and I think the main thing was
Speaker 2: the experience I took, the person I became from it,
Speaker 2: and I completely forgot I was a musician when I
Speaker 2: was in the house. To be honest, I couldn't remember
Speaker 2: any of my songs. I couldn't remember I couldn't remember
Speaker 2: anything from the outside world to do with music and
Speaker 2: to do with my career. It was just JC, this
Speaker 2: kid like I was one of the youngest in the houses.
Speaker 2: I was in the house. I was just in there,
Speaker 2: giving it my own and I was happy to be there.
Speaker 2: And once I hit that top ten, the fifty day mark,
Speaker 2: I saw you know, Tim, how he was playing. I
Speaker 2: saw Reggie, she had every reason to be there. I
Speaker 2: saw Alisha and Johnson, who was a dream, and I
Speaker 2: just was like, I'm happy if they beat me, like
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to. I've gotten what I've wanted out
Speaker 2: of the experience. And there's an exception of a few
Speaker 2: of the other housemates I would have I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: had the same feeling like I would have probably fought
Speaker 2: a little harder, but I knew that ultimately fifty days,
Speaker 2: I can be proud of myself at this point and
Speaker 2: I felt like I achieved what I set out to achieve.
Speaker 1: What's it been like watching this back, my friend? I mean,
Speaker 1: there have been some epic blind sides and sneaky moves.
Speaker 1: The reason why I ask you this question is I
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not this show and you know, lying
Speaker 1: and cheating and stealing suited your personality.
Speaker 2: I know I know what you mean the lying. I'm
Speaker 2: not a good liar and I don't really lie. I'm
Speaker 2: good at my social game is really good when it
Speaker 2: comes down to deals and stuff. I'm good at you know,
Speaker 2: I connect with people and people want me there. And
Speaker 2: I said it on the last interview, I think I
Speaker 2: played one of the best social games and it was
Speaker 2: a little underrepresented. You don't really hear a lot of
Speaker 2: my dialogue. But there's a reason why I was in
Speaker 2: the top ten, and there's a reason why there's tears
Speaker 2: and there's all these emotions every time I'm in the picture,
Speaker 2: because I really had genuine connections and it wasn't some
Speaker 2: alliance deal stuff. It wasn't a shake of a hand.
Speaker 2: It was I just like this guy. You know. I
Speaker 2: made sure I went in there with a message to
Speaker 2: represent the underdog, represent the people that have a dream
Speaker 2: and they feel like the world's against him or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I really came in there with a message
Speaker 2: and I made sure to represent that. And I think
Speaker 2: the housemates resonated with that as well, because, believe it
Speaker 2: or not, every single head of house I went up
Speaker 2: and I did a speech, and I kept going up.
Speaker 2: I kept going up, and I eventually got it. In
Speaker 2: the end. I always got it.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: There was a few times where I was up for
Speaker 2: a viction and I won the second Chance challenge. You know,
Speaker 2: there was all these moments where people just resonated with
Speaker 2: and people respected, and that the show doesn't show a
Speaker 2: lot of that.
Speaker 1: Well, I felt like you were kind of flying under
Speaker 1: the radar, you know, was that part of it?
Speaker 2: Wasn't? Yeah, I definitely wasn't. I it was very clear
Speaker 2: from the start I was with the newbies, and it
Speaker 2: was very clear that I was quite physically strong, and
Speaker 2: people knew I was a threat and I was playing
Speaker 2: a similar game to Mali. People that people in the
Speaker 2: house would say that, they're like, oh, man, if you
Speaker 2: if you get through, you're playing a similar game to Mali.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone loves you and you haven't really caused
Speaker 2: any Yeah, you don't really have any enemies. I think
Speaker 2: Drew was probably the only real like relationship that came across.
Speaker 2: As we didn't get along. I wasn't avoiding conflict. I
Speaker 2: wasn't avoiding anything. It's really just the storylines they went with.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point when you bring up Maley,
Speaker 1: because have any former housemates influenced your game? I mean,
Speaker 1: did you watch some old seasons back to take notes?
Speaker 1: And obviously bringing Maley up now. You know, it makes
Speaker 1: me think maybe you did try and lean in and
Speaker 1: borrow some of the tactics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that I borrowed it. Like, I definitely
Speaker 2: did my research going in. I put it down to
Speaker 2: one thing with this new format, the winner is always
Speaker 2: someone that people just like. The winner is always just
Speaker 2: a good person. The winner is never someone who's wheeling
Speaker 2: and dealing and lying and cheating, And so I was
Speaker 2: just like, that's perfect, because that's who I am. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I definitely watched Maley and I watched this
Speaker 2: season one winner. I quickly found out that I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna do what I do best and just be me
Speaker 2: and not shake hands with anyone too much.
Speaker 1: Just actually, I'm going to go into something really quickly.
Speaker 1: You're talking also about your singing and not remembering all
Speaker 1: your lyrics and things like that in the house. But
Speaker 1: there was a lot of rumors going around that you
Speaker 1: sung a rap version of Oats Ala Leila, and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of fans watching the show hoping to
Speaker 1: see oats Ala Leila back. Was that true? Was there
Speaker 1: a moment in the house where you rapped a little
Speaker 1: bit of oats Salalila.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. There were so many moments where I
Speaker 2: was making music in the house. Yeah, definitely, will jam
Speaker 2: and Oates, will jam me and terrass with jamming all
Speaker 2: the time. We're making drums out of the pillows. And
Speaker 2: one of the first episodes you hear Tim saying I'm
Speaker 2: sick of jay Z's raps and sick to the vent machine,
Speaker 2: and that was true. I was always just you know, jamming,
Speaker 2: even the steale me in her We're going back and
Speaker 2: forth rapping and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean Estelle is a is a rapper.
Speaker 1: I mean she applied for X Factor back in the
Speaker 1: day because yes, she was wanting to get into her music.
Speaker 1: And when I did Big Brother with Estelle, she was
Speaker 1: wrapping every day.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, I had no idea. She told me she
Speaker 2: freestyles and she does a few open mics.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a real divide happening on the show
Speaker 1: that seems to have spilled out into the real world.
Speaker 1: You know what, do you think the real problem is
Speaker 1: behind the tension that seems to have been created after
Speaker 1: doing the show?
Speaker 2: The real problem it is coming to grips with a
Speaker 2: show and the experience. That was one thing I had
Speaker 2: to really realize. It was like I was frustrated a
Speaker 2: lot of the time because I was watching it and
Speaker 2: just going, ah, that didn't happen on this. It didn't
Speaker 2: show this and this and this and this and this
Speaker 2: common to grips with, you know what, this is just
Speaker 2: a show. We're not watching what we did. We're just
Speaker 2: watching some characters and some We're watching a program, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's a storyline. And I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of confusion with that at the beginning,
Speaker 2: and people still had their head in their game. When
Speaker 2: the game was finished, people were still doing the same
Speaker 2: sort of you know, just digging and trying to find
Speaker 2: like just still playing the game. You know, Oh you
Speaker 2: told me this, you told me that. It's like whatever
Speaker 2: we said in that is like you just got to
Speaker 2: forget about now because it doesn't apply to the real world.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know too much about it too much,
Speaker 2: but I think from the housemates i've spoken to it,
Speaker 2: which is all of them, everyone was just a little
Speaker 2: kind of like they saw the show and they felt
Speaker 2: a way about how because everyone has their story in
Speaker 2: their head, you know, it's my story. This needed They
Speaker 2: didn't show this. They didn't show that, and everyone kind
Speaker 2: of felt a little a little way about not seeing
Speaker 2: their favorite moment or how an argument was cut up
Speaker 2: or whatever. But that's it. That's show biz.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's all going to settle down once
Speaker 1: the show comes to an end? I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think that that anxiety or that tension has built and
Speaker 1: is still there while the show is still playing, but
Speaker 1: then once it comes to an end, that it'll be
Speaker 1: put to bed.
Speaker 2: There's some relationships that probably won't. I know that we
Speaker 2: got the final together and we're all going to be
Speaker 2: together again, and it's amazing what a few drinks can
Speaker 2: do and a good night out can do. So I
Speaker 2: don't think there's any long term grudges. I think we're
Speaker 2: all we can all talk it out, and I know
Speaker 2: some people a little more stubborn than others, So who knows.
Speaker 1: It's just going to be a really big family reunion,
Speaker 1: and all family reunions there's always going to have some
Speaker 1: problematic and complicated relationships amongst siblings. Yeah, but it's so funny.
Speaker 1: We'll watch us watching a show the other day with
Speaker 1: my partner and it was, oh, it's like the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives and they went on this Ultimate Girl's trip, but
Speaker 1: they were all ex housewives and they finally were back
Speaker 1: together sort of sorting out their dramas from previous seasons
Speaker 1: of the show. And about ten minutes into watching these
Speaker 1: confrontations that have happened, Ben said, this is like when
Speaker 1: you have your big brother housemates come and stayed out
Speaker 1: house and they have to say all this stuff. It's like, you.
Speaker 2: Knows exactly like that.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, anyway, you've got to have a sense of
Speaker 1: humor about it. But I'm glad to do. I'm glad that,
Speaker 1: you know, you told the housemates that you were single,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people talking about it in the
Speaker 1: media because it wasn't really true. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: haven't personally asked you or given you a voice to
Speaker 1: explain that, you know, what's the truth behind this secret
Speaker 1: girlfriend secret?
Speaker 2: It's no secret anymore. I don't actually haven't seen anything
Speaker 2: on this. Yeah, So in the house, I was single,
Speaker 2: and it was a situation where you know, I had
Speaker 2: an ex that I was rekindling with and I still
Speaker 2: felt very strongly about. And the thing when you're in
Speaker 2: the house, you have a lot of time to think
Speaker 2: and reflect, like I remember laying in my bed at
Speaker 2: night and I would be like, man, I really miss Kristin,
Speaker 2: I really miss my mom, I really miss my best friends.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like you're away at war, you know,
Speaker 2: like you're a soldier at war and you've got your
Speaker 2: photos on your bedside table and you're just thinking and
Speaker 2: you're just like, Wow, life on the outside world. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's no secret any like there's no secrets here or
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's just that's my personal relationship life.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I actually haven't seen anything on
Speaker 2: this situation, on this topic. Even if I did, it's
Speaker 2: like that had nothing to do with my game anyway.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I once spoke about like, oh
Speaker 2: this guy like in the house or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I was just playing a social game and I was
Speaker 2: just doing me.
Speaker 1: Well. I am happy for you that you have got
Speaker 1: that relationship now. I think that's beautiful. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: that you even say this because the where I was
Speaker 1: coming from is in a history of Big Brother around
Speaker 1: the world, a lot of boys get back together with
Speaker 1: their ex girlfriends after their experience, and so I just
Speaker 1: thought it was a really interesting, yeah, very very common
Speaker 1: story in England and in America and Canada, a lot
Speaker 1: of boys get back together with their ex girlfriends. And
Speaker 1: Daniel Gorench as another person. You know, he's he got
Speaker 1: back together with his ex girlfriend and they're still together.
Speaker 2: You know, makes sense. It makes sense. You have a
Speaker 2: lot of clarity in the house and you strip back
Speaker 2: all the drama of the real world.
Speaker 3: And you can just you just think, think, well, let's
Speaker 3: talk about this whole Drew situation, because a number of
Speaker 3: housemates have come out, and I must admit I didn't
Speaker 3: really notice that much of attention between the two of
Speaker 3: you watching the show, but a number of housemates have
Speaker 3: come out and said that there was a personality clash
Speaker 3: with you and Drew.
Speaker 1: What happened between you, you two guys, because from what
Speaker 1: I know of Drew and what I can see from you,
Speaker 1: you guys have fairly chilled out guys. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think after this, you know, the eviction of you,
Speaker 1: there's a hashtag of justice for Drew, so obviously there's
Speaker 1: there's some tension there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think me and Drew got off
Speaker 2: on the wrong foot because we will we were friends
Speaker 2: through association. More so, he was very close with Johnson,
Speaker 2: and Johnson was my best friend, and he was very
Speaker 2: close with you know, just all the other newbies, but
Speaker 2: not so much me. But we kind of felt obliged
Speaker 2: to work together still because you know, well we had
Speaker 2: all the same friends. He knew that the thing with
Speaker 2: Big Brother, all it takes is one nomination point and
Speaker 2: your perception changes on someone. So as soon as I
Speaker 2: think it might have been me, I fired the first shot,
Speaker 2: put a point on him. It just from that point
Speaker 2: on it just kind of went downhill, downhill, downhill. And
Speaker 2: because Drew was in the eviction chair so much, I
Speaker 2: would always just go, you know what, this guy needs
Speaker 2: to go. It wasn't anything personal. It was just more
Speaker 2: so like we have similar personalities, but I think I'm
Speaker 2: more creative and more He's really logical and I'm more creative.
Speaker 2: Put it that way. So the way I would talk
Speaker 2: is more, you know, I use a lot of metaphors
Speaker 2: and a lot of year I analyze things weird and
Speaker 2: I see things in a different way, and he's really
Speaker 2: just like straight down the line. And we kind of
Speaker 2: he saw that maybe he's a bit ignorant, and he
Speaker 2: would kind of insult my intelligence a bit and I
Speaker 2: saw him as a bit of a party pooper, you know,
Speaker 2: a bit just like we didn't jail too much, didn't
Speaker 2: share the same humor. You see that a little bit
Speaker 2: when he was like calling me a human meat bag,
Speaker 2: and was when I was doing the Second Chance Challenge,
Speaker 2: he was like do you have one brain cell? And
Speaker 2: all that type of thing. And it wasn't like a
Speaker 2: It wasn't to the point where we actually had an argument.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Actually there was a few little blow up blowouts, but
Speaker 2: we didn't have that. We just didn't have that relationship
Speaker 2: and he was not on my priority list at all.
Speaker 2: We didn't have each other's back. Drew played a game
Speaker 2: that I it was just so different to mine.
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to him in the outside world.
Speaker 2: No, we haven't even spoken. Like we have a group
Speaker 2: chat and stuff, but I haven't given him a call
Speaker 2: or he hasn't given me a call.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're spending lots of time in Melbourne, you'll
Speaker 1: probably go to some of his clubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one like, if we see him, I'm sure it'll
Speaker 2: be like, we have a great chat and it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's just we don't feel the urge
Speaker 2: to you know, it was a game, and what happened happened.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah. And then Johnson and Alisha have survived
Speaker 1: the elimination. Who do you think out of those two
Speaker 1: players have played the best game? Well, I mean, actually
Speaker 1: a good question to be to ask you maybe is
Speaker 1: who do you think out of all the newbies has
Speaker 1: played the best game?
Speaker 2: Johnson's played an unbelievable game. What I think is Johnson's
Speaker 2: played the best OG format. He you know, he's really
Speaker 2: just been a genuine guy. He's made great relationships and
Speaker 2: he's done a bit of deal shaking and a bit
Speaker 2: of strategy, and he was the guy that like he
Speaker 2: had pegs in his drawer, he was crunching numbers when
Speaker 2: he was going to bed. He really thought it out,
Speaker 2: and you can tell he's watched a lot of Big Brother.
Speaker 2: Then you have someone like Tarras who played a great
Speaker 2: new format game. He won a bunch of challenges and
Speaker 2: he played Under the Raider all the way to the
Speaker 2: top ten. I feel like they played it. I feel
Speaker 2: like Arras and Johnson played really great game. Alicia also,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see either one of them win.
Speaker 1: Have you taken any money to sports Bet? Have you
Speaker 1: put any money down on it.
Speaker 2: Yet apparently I'm up there as the most likely to win,
Speaker 2: so I might just better myself.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you know the outcome. You know the outcome,
Speaker 1: my friend, you can't do that. Don't bet on your side.
Speaker 2: I haven't really done any betting on sports bet I
Speaker 2: probably should look at it.
Speaker 1: Well. The finale is happening on the twelfth of July,
Speaker 1: and I it would be remissive me not to ask you.
Speaker 1: Do you have any inside goss on what we can
Speaker 1: expect to see in that finale?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There might be a few heated
Speaker 2: conversations like that. Actually, I think some gameplay is going
Speaker 2: to get brought up. Yeah, I can make it a
Speaker 2: little heated, spicy, little spicy.
Speaker 1: Well. To celebrate Big Brother and twenty one years of
Speaker 1: being on Australian television, I've been asking the top ten
Speaker 1: questions that Gretel Colleen, who you might not know because
Speaker 1: you might not have been born when Gretel Colleen was
Speaker 1: hosting Big Brother, but she would these rapid fire questions,
Speaker 1: these ten questions everyone who leaves the house. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run through them with you. Yeah, what did you
Speaker 1: miss the most while you're inside the Big Brother House.
Speaker 1: Food nothing like being hungry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hungry all the time.
Speaker 1: Who was your favorite person inside the house?
Speaker 2: Johnson, Alicia Tarass You got to pick one.
Speaker 1: That's not fun when you say three people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's not fun. Yeah, those were my people.
Speaker 2: Towards the end, Tarras was me and him had probably
Speaker 2: the best relationship.
Speaker 1: Who was your least favorite person inside the Big Brother House?
Speaker 2: Gabby and Tim? No, Gabby and Drew.
Speaker 1: Pick one, you can't pick two? Drew. Who had the
Speaker 1: most annoying habit out of all the housemates?
Speaker 2: Oh Gabby, so messy, so messy. My bed was next
Speaker 2: to hers and she had cups of milk and she
Speaker 2: had apple cores all around her bed and a clothes
Speaker 2: are everywhere she was. Yeah, Gabby.
Speaker 1: And who was the funniest person inside the house?
Speaker 2: Who I found the funniest? I actually found tarrass hilarious.
Speaker 2: It's quirky humor, and yeah I found it funny ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people saying Tarras so and it's funny.
Speaker 1: We're not really seeing all of his jokes, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: people aren't walking away saying that he's the funniest out
Speaker 1: of there, but a lot of housemates answering these questions
Speaker 1: have picked haresque who was the laziest person in the house.
Speaker 2: I would say Gabby was the laziest, Like she didn't plange,
Speaker 2: she didn't do anything. I was cooking most most of
Speaker 2: the Knights, and I got voted the laziest house mate.
Speaker 2: But I was cooking most of the Knights. I was
Speaker 2: doing a lot. I think it was my attitude that
Speaker 2: came across lazy because I'm a chill guy.
Speaker 1: They clearly don't understand the word lazy. They're taking out
Speaker 1: your chilled and.
Speaker 2: I realized that what, how am I the laziest?
Speaker 1: What was your greatest regret? Now the competition is over? Well,
Speaker 1: now that your game is over, what is your greatest regret?
Speaker 2: Probably sending Lulu home? Well, putting a point on Lulu
Speaker 2: and not Sam.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting, you know that I've asked these questions
Speaker 1: to everyone that's left the show. I think she's coming
Speaker 1: out as like miss congeniality after the show. I think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of love for her.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of love there. She Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: very sad when she went, yeah, I know the game
Speaker 2: is a game, but that was probably something that hurt
Speaker 2: the most for me.
Speaker 1: Who will be out next? Not who you know will
Speaker 1: be out, but who did you think would be out
Speaker 1: following your house?
Speaker 2: I know that sending me home has really shooken up
Speaker 2: the newbies because now Gabby has really proven that she's
Speaker 2: not playing with the newbies anymore. Gabby is all over
Speaker 2: the shop. She tells people what she wants to hear.
Speaker 2: She's I took her up to the head of how
Speaker 2: sweet with me and we would chat and she I'm
Speaker 2: not coming for you. I'm not coming for you. And
Speaker 2: now doing the move she did with Tim has shown
Speaker 2: the house who she really is. I think she's next.
Speaker 1: Who do you think is going to win Big Brother
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two? Again, not what you know now, but
Speaker 1: like who do you think?
Speaker 2: And I said this from the first week, I think
Speaker 2: Reggie is most likely just based on who she is this, Yeah, Reggie.
Speaker 2: Reggie is the most likable based on the show as well.
Speaker 2: Who do I want to win?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Any of the newbies I'd be happy to win? I
Speaker 2: think it's it's a new experience and I think the
Speaker 2: Ogs have had that already their moment on the show
Speaker 2: and it would be great to see someone new take
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: What is something something I ask everyone who joins the podcast,
Speaker 1: what is something from behind the scenes that this you
Speaker 1: know from your time in Big Brother that where's an
Speaker 1: audience didn't see and we won't see something of a
Speaker 1: like a behind the scenes secret on the makings of
Speaker 1: Big Brother.
Speaker 2: The Challenge. Okay, so the actual challenge basement and the
Speaker 2: Challenge arena, they're like a bit of a drive away,
Speaker 2: so we would have to you know, jump out of
Speaker 2: the car withuse blindfold not blindfold, like be silent and
Speaker 2: just drive to this spot when do the challenges. And
Speaker 2: the actual elevator that you see isn't actually an elevator.
Speaker 2: It's just a room and you step in there and
Speaker 2: you just stand there for a bit and you walk
Speaker 2: out the door. Yeah, it's not it's a different places.
Speaker 2: The house isn't that big. There's no elevator in the house.
Speaker 1: In Big Brother VIP, Caitlin Jenner was climbing through event
Speaker 1: and they had you know, the sound of the event
Speaker 1: being popped sort of and the housemates going, what's that noise?
Speaker 1: And it just looked so much like you know.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But now it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: Well, look, there's been so great chatting with you. Your
Speaker 1: most recent project, which has come before the Storm, dropped
Speaker 1: on June tenth. If people want to go out and
Speaker 1: get that, what's the best way for them to get
Speaker 1: involved with your music?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just jc Ja y Cee, Spotify, YouTube, Apple
Speaker 2: Music you'll find it. Google it Calm before the Storm.
Speaker 2: It's a body of work that kind of symbolizes where
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm out in my life right now,
Speaker 2: is to calm before this big storm that comes in
Speaker 2: the storm actually being the best version of myself. So
Speaker 2: it's an inspirational tape. There's a lot of mixed messages
Speaker 2: that people can read a eat way. Then I'm proud
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's an amazing idea as well. I mean
Speaker 1: it's the story of your life, you know, broken down
Speaker 1: into eleven songs.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that sounds like a great recipe for young
Speaker 1: people to get involved and appreciate your music. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that for you, my friend, and I
Speaker 1: wish you all the best.
Speaker 2: And if they want to see it live and want
Speaker 2: to be in Sydney, Brisbane and.
Speaker 1: Tazzy, I think so July third in Brisbane and the
Speaker 1: ninth YEP for Sydney and then you get seventeenth in Hobart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, you've done your research.
Speaker 1: Jason, I absolutely loved watching you in the show. You
Speaker 1: were so fantastic as a housemate. You brought a lot
Speaker 1: to it and yeah, well can't wait to see the
Speaker 1: finale and see where you go with your music.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ben, appreciate it.