1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: time poor parent who just once answers. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Now for me, it's just this wonderful freedom that it 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: seems like the less you have maybe the easier. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: Life could be. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: and Dad. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: I look forward to Friday's so very much for a 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: couple of reasons. First of all, I mean, the weekend's 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: nearly here. Who's going to be not happy about that? 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: But secondly, it's because our Friday podcast is called Old 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: Do Better Tomorrow. 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: For those of you who are new to the podcast, 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: and we welcome you. It's so great to have you listening. 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: The purpose of our Friday Older Better Tomorrow podcast is 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: for Kylie and I to reflect on the week that 17 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: was for us and look at the stuff we did 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: well the stuff we didn't do so well. Try to 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: do more of the good stuff and a little less 20 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: of the not so good stuff. We try to be 21 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: more intentional and reflective as parents to make our family happier. 22 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: By the way, I am doctor Justin Coulson, the co 23 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: host and parenting expert on Channel nine's TV show One 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: TV Show. 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: I might just add Parental Guidance. 26 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: And Kylie Hi move to our six Kids and podcast 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: co host extraord There. Hey, Kylie, just did you know 28 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: that was That was quite French, wasn't it? That was 29 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: a jan and Donna ran on the show anymore. Somebody's 30 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: got to hold the French flag high. That one was 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: for you, Yarn. So the podcasts at Happy Families dot 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: com dot au email address has been overheating this week. 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of response to not only our 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: Parental Guidance episodes, but also to a couple of episodes 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 2: from last week that really got people going. 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: One of them was one of the hardest. 37 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: Podcast episodes we've ever had to do. It was last 38 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: week's Older Better Tomorrow, where I didn't end up sharing 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: anything because I couldn't I couldn't speak. And you talked 40 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: about the devastating loss that our friends suffered of a 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: newborn baby, and we received quite a lot of feedback 42 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: from that, but one in particular stood out to you, 43 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: and you thought it was worth sharing because we just 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: love your feedback so much and we want you to 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: know that we read all of it. 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: One of our regular listeners said, I've just listened to 47 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: Friday's podcast and wanted to say thank you and give 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 4: you a virtual hug. That was one of the very 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: very few times I've heard someone talk about neonatal death 50 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: with genuine empathy rather than sympathy. My first wife and 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: I lost to our son in similar circumstances in two 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 4: thousand and two. Like your friends, we knew from very 53 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: early on that something was wrong, and at twenty seven 54 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: weeks he was born weighing six hundred and eighty grams. 55 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: We at least had forty two days with him, so 56 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 4: we had time to be baptized and family could visit. 57 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: The turnout to the funeral was beautiful, and we were 58 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: surrounded by people that loved us, but the only people 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: that managed to say something of any substance with those 60 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 4: who had experienced the loss of a child. Also, so 61 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: to hear you talk with such emotion, even after all 62 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: this time, was truly beautiful. Thank you. 63 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: Now that you've said that, I'm still really affected by 64 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: what we talked about, and that email has actually back 65 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: even though we agreed that we were going to talk 66 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: about it, it's just so so hard. 67 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: Onto a different topic. 68 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: Last week, we also had a really interesting conversation about 69 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: sleep training, and we talked with Carli Grubb from Beyond 70 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: Sleep Training about how we can. 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: Make sure that we don't go down that path. 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: This is always a controversial topic, but we received a 73 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: really wonderful email from Scott and Sarah to podcasts at 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 2: Happy Families dot com dot IU. The email is the 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: length of a short book. Wow, and it's a great 76 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: email and I appreciated it so very much. But the 77 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: upshot that the short version of it is they love 78 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: the podcast as it happens. Sarah has done a bit 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: of research and she's highlighted something that we didn't talk about. 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: In last week's podcast. 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: But I know for a fact to be true, and 82 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: that is that the whole sleep training issue is Number one, 83 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: very very very controversial. People have huge opinions about it, 84 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: so emotive. But number two, from a research point of view, 85 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: the reality is it's pretty under researched. There's not a 86 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: lot of data around and what little data there is, well, 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: the fact that there's so little data people want to 88 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: jump all over it and argue for one thing or another. 89 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: And what she basically said was we've got a couple 90 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: of kids, but she's just finished sleep training one of 91 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: their children. She said, I didn't want to do it. 92 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: I never wanted to do it. I think that it's 93 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: a terrible option. I wish that I hadn't had to 94 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: do it. But sometimes the not best option is the 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: best option. And she says this is why the mother 96 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: who is so tired she drifts off to sleep while 97 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: she's bathing her baby. The father who's so frustrated that 98 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: the baby won't sleep that he feels like shaking it. 99 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: The mother who was so strung out that she started 100 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: to feel depressed and distant from her baby. 101 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: The truth is that parenting is messy. 102 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: And then she says, sometimes the best option is well 103 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: the best option, and then she shares some stories about 104 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: what they went through and why they made the decision 105 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: to sleep train, and then she said something and it 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: really struck me deeply, and I'm going to share it 107 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: because we love your feet back. She said, when I 108 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: heard the podcast, I felt defeated. I felt guilty, I 109 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: felt trapped. Should I not put her in her cot 110 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: for a nap today? Should I try one of the 111 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: dozens have failed other settling methods. 112 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 3: And eventually she says. 113 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: My reason in writing is that I think that many 114 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: parents sleep train out of necessity, not out of delight, 115 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: And while it's an unpleasant experience, there's no real reason 116 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: to believe that you're damaging your child based on what 117 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: research we do have, especially if it allows you to 118 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: be more loving and responsive to their needs in all 119 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: the other moments. But mainly because sometimes what us exhausted 120 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: parents need to know is that the kids are going 121 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: to be okay. And so I wanted to just give 122 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: Scott and Sarah acknowledgment because even though we do try 123 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: to put out what is going to be best, either 124 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: from research or from a logical or emotional or ethical 125 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: point of view, we recognize that sometimes you just got 126 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: to do what you've got to do. And it was 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: such a wonderful email, and Scott and Sarah thank you 128 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: so very much for taking the time to send it through. 129 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: We love your feedback podcasts at Happy Families dot com 130 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: dot a U. Without all seven done, let's talk. I'll 131 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: do better tomorrow, Kylie. We've both had experience this week 132 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: that have helped us to be better or not so 133 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: better as parents. After the break, we're going to hear 134 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: from you, and then I'm going to wrap things up. 135 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: It's their Happy Families podcast. 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: For a happier family, Try a Happy Families membership, because 137 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: a happy family doesn't just happen. Details at happy families 138 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: dot com dot au. It's the Happy Families podcast, the 139 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: podcast for the time poor parent who just wants answers now. 140 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: And today we're sharing our reflections from the week that was. 141 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: First of all, a couple of reflections from you via 142 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: our email address podcasts at happy families dot com dot you. 143 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: But when we talk, I'll do better tomorrow. This is 144 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: our opportunity to be intentional and mindful. Kylie, what's struck 145 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: you this week about your parenting? 146 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: You know? 147 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: Watching Parental Guidance with our children beside us, it's been fun, 148 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 4: has really brought up a whole heap of conversation around 149 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: the dinner table and especially in the car the next morning, 150 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 4: as they've had, you know, slept on the things that 151 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: they've seen, and we've been our to talk about things 152 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: on the way to school. And I think that what 153 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: I really want to highlight today is just as I've 154 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: watched it, there's been opportunity for me to reflect on 155 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: the things that I'm doing in my role as a 156 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: mother in our home and the take homes for me. 157 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: The things that I'd like to do more of that 158 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: I'm aware are not strengths of mine, but I see 159 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: it and I know that I can and I have 160 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 4: done them in the past, but I'd like to see 161 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: more of them in our family. When the nature parents 162 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: were kids for a day and the dad made his 163 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: little sculpture and he told his mum coming out a lot, 164 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: what have I done? Look what I've done, and she 165 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: kind of just brushed him, and it really affected him. 166 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: And I have to say I'm probably that parent often 167 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: because as a mum at home, I'm constantly doing one 168 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: hundred and one things at a time, and so the 169 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 4: kids come and show me something and I'm like, I've 170 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: just got to get this load of washing out before 171 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: the sun goes. 172 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: Or whatever it is, I've finished it. 173 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: I've just got to finish, and so constantly feeling like 174 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: I'm on the go, go, go go, and it's hard 175 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: for me to be in the moment sometimes and appreciate 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: what my children are actually trying to get my attention for. 177 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: And so that was a really big moment where it 178 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 4: just kind of made me reflect on how I can 179 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: be more intentional in showing up for them. But I 180 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: also loved watching again the Nature parents and just the 181 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: curiosity that their kids had, just the way they all 182 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: work together, and they just they loved being in their space. 183 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: That again, is not something that comes natural to me, 184 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: and being curious scares me a little bit. I don't 185 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: like the unknown, and so again just highlighting that this 186 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 4: is something I have done and I know I can do, 187 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: but it doesn't come naturally to me, pushing myself to 188 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: try and try new things and be open to asking questions, 189 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: to discovering things and even if it makes me look 190 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: like I'm silly because I don't know all the answers. 191 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: What I love about your old Do Better Tomorrow is 192 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: at the start of the week, you were like, they 193 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: live in a tent, they don't send their kids to school, 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: like it was really foreign to you. And yet as 195 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 2: you've reflected on the week, the family that's probably been 196 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: most influential in your insights and your desire to do 197 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: better has been the family that you were least responsive 198 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: to when the show began. 199 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: Maybe, but they weren't the only ones. They're just the 200 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: ones I'm highlighted to start. 201 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: With, right okay, Well, we could talk all day about 202 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: reflections on the TV show in the interest of this 203 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: being the podcast for the typoor parent who just one 204 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: answers now my reflections my old do better tomorrow also 205 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: ironically relate to Richard and lyddon the Parents for a 206 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: parental guy. 207 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: Giving me a hard time. Should we live in a tent? 208 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: I don't know that that way. Our kids don't close 209 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: the door, why not? Can't go and close the door 210 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: for anything. 211 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: I'm loving the idea of just one room. 212 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, one room, one tidy updone in half way. 213 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: They can't bite. I don't forget out of my room 214 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: because they're all in there. 215 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: For me, it's just that this wonderful freedom, that it 216 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: seems like the less you have, maybe the easier life 217 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: could be. But I get the sense with watching all 218 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: of this, I just this weekend, I want to spend 219 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: time in nature with our kids. I want to go 220 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: somewhere with a really relaxed agenda and say, let's just 221 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: spend time together, Let's take it easy, enjoy one another's company. 222 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: And as I've watched these parents connect, these good parents, 223 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: these brave parents, whether it's Andrew and Miriam, who might 224 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: be strict, but they definitely know how to have fun 225 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: with their kids, and their kids are great kids. Or 226 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 2: whether it's rich and Leed and their nature parents, or 227 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: Lara Andrew who are just so doing everything they can 228 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: to be tuned into their kids, or Breton Tony who 229 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: are just like it's a bit of a madhouse with 230 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: the four boys. 231 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: So much energy in that house, and. 232 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 4: No one has more energy than Tony, seems. 233 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: And Yan and Donna who were just such a great 234 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 2: couple with such a gorgeous kid. The one thing I 235 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: will say, though, I wish that little old Harper got 236 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: to have a. 237 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: Bit more fun. 238 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: And watching her experience with a mum, particularly who isn't 239 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: that keen I'm playing with her. I'm not shaming Don 240 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: and Donna's great mum and she's such a delight to 241 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: have had on the show. But comparing what Harper's life 242 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: is like living in the unit in Sydney compared to 243 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: Richard and Ledden's kids living in that tent and having 244 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: that freedom to explore, it's just made me want to 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: make sure that the kids get out this weekend and 246 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: really explore and that we're they're with them and living 247 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: life and really experiencing it with them. So that's that's 248 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: my older better tomorrow. It's been a long week in 249 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: the office, there's been a lot of work to do, 250 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: and this weekend it's all about family time outside. So 251 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: that's my one my take home message. Make sure you 252 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: get outside and explore nature and freedom with your kids 253 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: and your one be in the. 254 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: Moment, get curious even if you don't know all the 255 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: answers that. 256 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: We can't wait to join you again or have you 257 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 2: joined us again on Monday morning for our next Happy 258 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: Families podcast, and of course Monday Night parental guidance continues 259 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: as we are introduced to five new families and five 260 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: new parenting styles. 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