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Speaker 1: Joining us in the studio to talk about this and

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Speaker 1: plenty more is the opposition leader Leah fan Okiro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah, I just want to talk about the situation with

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Speaker 1: these COVID cases. I understand that it now takes us

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Speaker 1: to twenty one active cases here in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: but they are all at this Center for National Resilience.

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Speaker 1: But Lea, this is something that we've been speaking about

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. We've been talking about the COVID vaccine

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Speaker 1: rollout and also that transition at the Howard Springs facility

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Speaker 1: from the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Team to

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Speaker 1: the Department of Health. From your perspective, are you concerned

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Speaker 1: or are you feeling quite comfortable about that transition at

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Speaker 1: this point in time.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm hugely concerned about the transition, as just about

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Speaker 3: every territory and I speak to on this issue, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We know the OSMAT team are an exceptional group of

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Speaker 3: highly qualified professionals drawn from around the nation who have

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Speaker 3: managed the quarantine facility at Howard Springs to that gold standard.

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Speaker 3: It has absolutely been held up as the pinnacle of

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Speaker 2: And probably the world Katie, and then out of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: A little while ago we had the territory government come

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Speaker 3: Commissioner would be running that facility and that I was

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Speaker 3: Matt would be out. And that's been followed by garbled

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Speaker 3: responses from the government about transitions and handovers and no

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Speaker 2: But my memory serves me correctly.

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Speaker 3: It was May that oz Matt would be out, and

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Speaker 3: May is certainly fast approaching. We need to employ four

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Speaker 2: I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: Magical employee tree that is going to come from, but

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Speaker 3: we know the territory struggles on the best of times

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Speaker 3: manage a quarantine facility with people who have COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, the timeframe had always been that we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: But that is real fast coming to an end. We

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Speaker 1: caught up with the Health Minister on the show yesterday morning,

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Speaker 1: not only about the rollout of the vaccine, but also

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Speaker 1: asked her questions about the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility and

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Speaker 1: the National Critical Care and Trauma Response Team that transition.

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Speaker 1: Now we also ask and we confirm that those flights

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Speaker 1: are going to be increasing in the coming weeks. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen though to what the Minister had to say

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday to Katie, I want.

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Speaker 4: To make it really clear that change will only occur

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Speaker 4: when OZMATT has the confidence that we have all the

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Speaker 4: clinical procedures in place to keep territory in safe.

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Speaker 1: There were plans to obviously recruit four hundred staff that

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Speaker 1: we're going to need to be attracted to fill those

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Speaker 1: roles once the change over happened. Where are you adding

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Speaker 1: terms of this recruitment, how many staff have now been recruited, Katy.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the latest figure, but when I was

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Speaker 1: Lia, does that go far enough? Does that set your

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: And again we get, you know, effectively weasel words from

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll make sure everything's fine and will decide,

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Speaker 3: so you know which one is it. I think it's

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Speaker 1: So, Leah, what do you reckon we need to do here?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that realistically we need to be getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we need to keep OZMA in that facility.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really really important. Of course, our health

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Speaker 3: It is an extraordinary thing, and I don't think we

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Speaker 3: of questions remain, and certainly we're seeing more and more

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Speaker 1: And you know, there is your message for the government today,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's hold off on taking over Howard Springs.

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Speaker 3: It's not so much the extra flights, it's leave OZMAT

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Speaker 3: the support four hundred jobs. I mean I have only

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Speaker 2: Is not a good track record.

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Speaker 3: That's not showing that we're even anywhere close to getting

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Speaker 3: People will continue to have greater confidence in the facility.

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Speaker 3: We struggle at the moment to get surgeons health professionals.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've got surgeons missing from Royal Darwin Hospital.

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Speaker 3: I think there's about eight positions vacant there. We know

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Speaker 3: Catherine's in trouble, Katie so well.

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Speaker 1: Today there is actually a story which is being reported

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Speaker 1: that we are going to catch up with the AMA,

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Speaker 1: fifty minutes time to talk further about that. LEA, I

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Speaker 3: No, And when you go out there it speaks for itself, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've got police living in you know, it's almost like

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Speaker 3: support police who do an incredible job right across the territory.

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Speaker 3: That funding is really important. It's something we've all been

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Speaker 1: Extended.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've spoken to Ken White, the minister, the

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Speaker 3: she's got concerns about you know, the government is getting

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Speaker 2: These huge shortages right across the territory.

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Speaker 3: So what is that money being spent on and is

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Speaker 3: I think the concerns from the Senator are absolutely valid.

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Speaker 3: You know, if federal money is going to come in,

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Speaker 3: you know, we know the territory government has a long

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Speaker 2: One ever knows where it ends up.

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Speaker 3: But you know, policing is a critical issue and you

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Speaker 1: Lea are these specific communities in the Northern Territory where

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Speaker 3: Oh well, certainly all of those old demis stations. You know,

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Speaker 3: And these are people who who've put their hand up

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Speaker 3: to support us Lea.

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you yesterday Territorians were pretty

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Speaker 1: and what was your reaction?

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Speaker 3: the government is just completely offender focus. They are only

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Speaker 3: these lovely words like one crime is one too many. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's nearly been five years, Like what are

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Speaker 3: these issues, you know, many parliaments ago, but we certainly

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon this legislation is going to get across

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Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen it even seeing what the government

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Speaker 3: don't know if the government have decided to do it urgently.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of questions that remain.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, who know.

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Speaker 1: You anticipate that you will see that legislation.

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Speaker 3: Well, probably right on the floor of Parliament before they

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Speaker 1: get a little bit closer to that date. Lea, just

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up, I understand on your way into

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Speaker 1: did everybody seem as though though okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there like very imminently after, so I

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Speaker 3: pulled over and contacted the police straight away, and other

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Speaker 3: people driving past hopped out supported the people in their vehicles,

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Speaker 3: and it was really it was just so sad, and

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Speaker 3: my heart goes out to those people involved, and I

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Speaker 3: certainly hope that everything's okay. But from a community perspective,

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Speaker 3: as I stood there on the side of the road

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Speaker 3: on the phone to police, you know, we had cars

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Speaker 3: pull over, people support the people in the crash. Then

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Speaker 3: we had other people come trades with you. They hooked

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Speaker 3: up the vehicle and tried to pull it off the road.

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Speaker 3: Then we had road traffic people just stop on their

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Speaker 3: way to work and start managing the traffic, and it

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Speaker 3: was just this whole community came out in support of

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Speaker 3: what had happened, and it was just so heartening to see.

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Speaker 3: But I, you know, it's just a horrible thing car accidents,

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Speaker 3: and I certainly hope everyone involved is okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well Leathanocchiara Opposition later. Always good to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thanks so much for your time, Tank.

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Speaker 2: You take care everyone