Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers
Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.
Speaker 1: That is so fetch, Thank you, hello, and welcome back
Speaker 1: to Outspoken. Now. Amy and I just got back into
Speaker 1: the office after a big day out at a shoe
Speaker 1: and we thought, why not talk about all things PR.
Speaker 1: So we thought we'd do a bit of a PR masterclass. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know who might be
Speaker 1: new to the podcast, Sophie and I run a digital
Speaker 1: agency called Hula Media and a few We launched it
Speaker 1: three years ago and it was called the PR Bible
Speaker 1: and we focused on all things public relations. But now
Speaker 1: the business has expanded to offer content creation services and
Speaker 1: social media marketing services as well as public relations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we decided to rebrand a number of months ago. Actually,
Speaker 1: it was right on the cusp of when Corona sort
Speaker 1: of broke out, and we didn't think it was a
Speaker 1: great time to be announcing our new name. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only been a few months that we've changed over
Speaker 1: to Hula Media, and we did receive a few questions
Speaker 1: about how we tackled the rebrand, how we came up
Speaker 1: with the new name, So Iman, can you fill everyone
Speaker 1: in how we came up with the name, because it
Speaker 1: was a very long process. Yeah. Well, we first realized
Speaker 1: that we actually hated the name. And I think it's important,
Speaker 1: I mean the old name, the old name, the PR bible,
Speaker 1: I mean when we first came up with it. The
Speaker 1: reason we wanted to include the word PR in it
Speaker 1: because we thought it would help us with our SEO ranking,
Speaker 1: which it really did. And I used to work at
Speaker 1: a previous PR agency called Girl about Town. And when
Speaker 1: I'd ring up and say that I was from a
Speaker 1: business called Girl about Town, and for those in Adelaide
Speaker 1: who know, we used to work on Heinley Street, and
Speaker 1: that would raise a few eyebrows. People thought we were
Speaker 1: either a promotions business or even a strip club. So
Speaker 1: we really wanted to make it easy for our clients
Speaker 1: know who we were. And you said we wanted it
Speaker 1: to be help us with our SEO ranking, but that
Speaker 1: was totally wrong because everyone just kept asking us if
Speaker 1: we were religious, and we had to keep explaining it's
Speaker 1: like the lad Bible and all of that by Bube.
Speaker 1: That being said, we did pick up some lovely Christian clients.
Speaker 1: Some people did come to us because we had the
Speaker 1: name Bible in it. But yeah, so we decided at
Speaker 1: the start of this year that we wanted to rebrand,
Speaker 1: and it was so difficult coming up with the name
Speaker 1: because there are so many names that are already taken
Speaker 1: and so we no name was springing to mind, which
Speaker 1: was really difficult because Sophie and I pride ourselves on
Speaker 1: being quite creative, and we just couldn't think of anything. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the best advice was, if you are trying
Speaker 1: to come up with a name, you're not going to
Speaker 1: come up with it just sitting at your desk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to think, think, think. So what we like to
Speaker 1: do is if we have a brainstorm session. Amy and
Speaker 1: I are lucky enough to live quite close to the beach,
Speaker 1: and we'll do it of a beach walk, you know,
Speaker 1: have a look around. What's about the place? I don't know.
Speaker 1: You always feel a bit refreshed when you're out in outside,
Speaker 1: and I think there's all also so many different resources
Speaker 1: on YouTube, so I was looking up different ways that
Speaker 1: people had come up with business names, and there was
Speaker 1: a lot of advice on there saying that a two
Speaker 1: syllable name is really helpful. And the reason we came
Speaker 1: up with Hula was we wanted to be known as
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, the girls from Hula or that
Speaker 1: the team from Hula, instead of because it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: the PR Bible it was too many words, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: one word. We really wanted to have a business that
Speaker 1: was just really one main word, and we also wanted
Speaker 1: something that seemed bright and fun and young but still professional.
Speaker 1: We kind of want to do something that was a
Speaker 1: little bit different to all of the other PR firms
Speaker 1: here in Adelaid because they're kind of all a bit
Speaker 1: old school, so we wanted to be bright and fresh.
Speaker 1: But it was important as well to have the word
Speaker 1: media because we do so much more than PR. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the background for us changing our name to Hula Media.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people we found, even clients that
Speaker 1: approach us, actually don't even know what public relations is.
Speaker 1: And I must be honest. When I first went to UNI,
Speaker 1: I had no idea what PR is because I used
Speaker 1: to watch Absolutely Fabulous, which is an English a comedy,
Speaker 1: and they used to laugh and joke about that they
Speaker 1: worked in PR and they'd always be drinking champagne and
Speaker 1: going to events and so kind of that's sort of
Speaker 1: what I thought PR was, thought, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a part of this. Can people jump in our
Speaker 1: Facebook community if they have also watched Absolutely Fabulous? Our
Speaker 1: Facebook community has outspoken the podcast community. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because the night before my first PR job, we
Speaker 1: literally thrash that show and I have to say, I'm
Speaker 1: Patsy and you're Eddie. For those who are playing at home,
Speaker 1: Eddie's the boss, though Patsy is just like the friend.
Speaker 1: That's just the hanger on. That's right, sweeties. So it's
Speaker 1: quite accurate, not really, but so yeah, So a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't actually know what PR is, and just
Speaker 1: if you guys are wondering at home. So as publicists,
Speaker 1: we work as the middleman between the client and the media.
Speaker 1: So we liaise with the media about different stories that
Speaker 1: our clients might have going and we also come up
Speaker 1: with really creative angles that we think will make a
Speaker 1: great news story, especially now there's so much more to
Speaker 1: pr in the modern world we're living in because it's
Speaker 1: all about social media strategies, even crisis management, and influencers, influencers.
Speaker 1: There's just so many facets to it, which is why
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. We'll talking about influencers. We do
Speaker 1: work with some influencers and have had some experience in
Speaker 1: that field. Sophie, what is the reality of actually organizing
Speaker 1: a kind of a deal with an influencer, Well, it
Speaker 1: can be really frustrating. It can be a bit of
Speaker 1: a waiting game. I mean, it really depends which influencer
Speaker 1: you're working with and whether they have a manager. So
Speaker 1: generally speaking, it's easier when they do have a manager,
Speaker 1: who most likely will get back to you within the
Speaker 1: within a few days. That being said, some of them
Speaker 1: can be really slack and a lot of them are
Speaker 1: just looking for their ten percent or twenty percent cut.
Speaker 1: But that being said, a number of influencers you do
Speaker 1: try and contact directly, they're terrible at getting back to you,
Speaker 1: which is so surprising considering you know they have the
Speaker 1: possibility of making a lot of money from it. Well,
Speaker 1: it's normally the bigger the influencer, the worse they are.
Speaker 1: At actually getting back to you because they do all
Speaker 1: have manager that normally handle all of these deals. But
Speaker 1: one hack I can give people if they're looking, you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a new brand or a new product
Speaker 1: that you're bringing out. My advice would be to actually
Speaker 1: contact the influencer directly. If they're a micro influencer, even
Speaker 1: if they are a bigger influencer, it's worth a try
Speaker 1: because sometimes they'll charge less money. Like the manager is
Speaker 1: always looking for the best deal for their client and
Speaker 1: they'll always bump the price up. But we've found when
Speaker 1: we've worked with some influencers, they're more than happy to
Speaker 1: either work for a voucher if it's for you know,
Speaker 1: to be in a particular video or something like that,
Speaker 1: because they want the exposure. Yeah. I mean, we do
Speaker 1: work for a major shopping center here in Adelaide and
Speaker 1: a number of influencers we do approach. If you contact
Speaker 1: them directly, they're more than happy to just want to
Speaker 1: be associated with the fabulous brand at hand. But when
Speaker 1: you go through their manager, as you said, they just
Speaker 1: want a profit from it. So that is a good
Speaker 1: little tip. I suppose that kind of leads on to
Speaker 1: how we deal with some difficult clients as well, because
Speaker 1: you know, along the way of our three years of business,
Speaker 1: there have been some very difficult clients, and you know,
Speaker 1: you do have to jump through hurdles in the first
Speaker 1: early stages of your business to impress people. Well, I
Speaker 1: think you quickly realize who you do and don't want
Speaker 1: to work with, and that's something that we've realized over
Speaker 1: the past three years. As you said, So when we
Speaker 1: first started out, you kind of just have to work
Speaker 1: with anybody and everybody to get your name out there.
Speaker 1: And we did work with a lot of small businesses
Speaker 1: and some of them were amazing and some of them,
Speaker 1: to be honest, were just nightmares. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: my piece of advice for maybe a small public or
Speaker 1: boutique public relations firm, is you really need to work
Speaker 1: out who your niche market is, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: great to have a particular niche, but you've also got
Speaker 1: to work out, as you say, who you don't want
Speaker 1: to work with. So it's really tough working with small
Speaker 1: businesses because that is their whole world. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: with small businesses is they can be great, but they
Speaker 1: also expect a lot from you, and they also don't
Speaker 1: want to pay a lot of money. So what we've
Speaker 1: realized is we actually want to work with bigger brands
Speaker 1: because one we actually enjoy that side of PR. We
Speaker 1: enjoy pushing bigger stories. We enjoy strategizing, we enjoy the
Speaker 1: influencer side of things we don't so much enjoy. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of small businesses, there's not heaps you can
Speaker 1: do for them unless there's a really news where the
Speaker 1: angle and retain a PR for a small business just
Speaker 1: isn't really a necessary thing. I think it's also difficult
Speaker 1: dealing with people who, you know, perhaps it's a hospitality business,
Speaker 1: who don't understand actually what PR is, so they don't
Speaker 1: understand and that the results you're getting are very good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that sort of leads us. I suppose you did
Speaker 1: say how do you deal with difficult clients? And we're
Speaker 1: not going to name anyone, but we have a client
Speaker 1: that we no longer work with from our choice, and
Speaker 1: this sort of it was. It was a really good
Speaker 1: learning experience, to be honest, because it showed us who
Speaker 1: we don't want to work with. And I suppose some
Speaker 1: of the warning signs and this particular client, we got
Speaker 1: them so much coverage. I mean, you know, for the
Speaker 1: business they were, this was sensational coverage, and they would
Speaker 1: just never happy with anything. I think also, when you
Speaker 1: get a client that just takes up so much of
Speaker 1: your time, like it was constant phone calls for about
Speaker 1: two hours, and as a small business, it's just not
Speaker 1: acceptable to have that sort of demand on you. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: with that client in particular, they also didn't listen to
Speaker 1: our advice, so they disregard our strategic advice and do
Speaker 1: what they wanted and then not actually get the results
Speaker 1: that they wanted. But that's a really good point for
Speaker 1: anyone who is in public relations or if you're starting
Speaker 1: your own business. I think you need to add up
Speaker 1: the hours that you're spending on each job and then
Speaker 1: evaluate whether it's worth it for your business. Because in
Speaker 1: this instance, we were finding that we were working so
Speaker 1: many hours that it worked out to be we're paying
Speaker 1: ourselves like five dollars an hour, and that's not good business.
Speaker 1: So we ended up ending that contract. And now we're
Speaker 1: really careful who we choose to work with. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think obviously we're in a position now that we're
Speaker 1: three years in so we can be a little bit
Speaker 1: more selective of who we choose to work with because
Speaker 1: there have been some people now that we just say no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't have the time. The other question
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask us, and I'm always interested
Speaker 1: by this question when I hear about other people's jobs,
Speaker 1: is what is the day to day life of someone
Speaker 1: who is in PR? And this is what I love
Speaker 1: most about PR. Every day is different. So you know,
Speaker 1: for us, we have our retainer clients, but we also
Speaker 1: have one off clients who pop up, so we always
Speaker 1: are working with different people every day and meeting new people,
Speaker 1: which is an exciting part of the job for Amy
Speaker 1: and I. We do like to start the day off
Speaker 1: in a meeting of sorts, so we assess what we're
Speaker 1: doing for the day, and you know, those meanings can
Speaker 1: last anywhere from half an hour to an hour depending
Speaker 1: on what we're planning. That's right. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: look at today, I will give today as an example.
Speaker 1: Today we had a podcast interview with my Millennial Money,
Speaker 1: which was really good, but he was how crazy was
Speaker 1: that interview? So yeah, I think we're actually going to
Speaker 1: leave some specifics of that interview for our Awkward Turtle
Speaker 1: on Monday. Because yeah, it was Yeah, let's just say
Speaker 1: that interview. I felt so bad for them. Sophie's course
Speaker 1: a bit of a ruckus. So we'll leave that to
Speaker 1: Monday's episode. But so we did that interview, then we
Speaker 1: did some basic office admin kind of work. Then we
Speaker 1: went out to a shoot for most of the afternoon.
Speaker 1: So we do lots of content shoots and that's actually
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the day is because I do
Speaker 1: all of the videography work, so and SO does all
Speaker 1: the producing side of things, so she'll ask the client
Speaker 1: all the questions or whoever the talent is. So it's
Speaker 1: very much back to what we were doing when we're
Speaker 1: working as reporters, which I really love about that part
Speaker 1: of the job. And that's the thing Amy, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pump your tires up here. You're a very talented videographer.
Speaker 1: And because I don't actually do any of the videography myself,
Speaker 1: the part that I really enjoy is organizing the shoots.
Speaker 1: So I organize a lot of the talent. For instance,
Speaker 1: we work from a major shopping center, and I kind
Speaker 1: of come up with some of the creative and fun
Speaker 1: ideas and source influences for those sort of things. But
Speaker 1: it is really funny because Amy and I are quite
Speaker 1: a perfect pairing because, as I said, Amy does have
Speaker 1: the videography side of things, but I'm more in charge
Speaker 1: of our public relations side of things in the business,
Speaker 1: so we work well together with that sort of dynamic.
Speaker 1: And We're also doing a lot more social media marketing,
Speaker 1: which I'm loving. And I do want to give everybody
Speaker 1: a hot tip of someone to watch on YouTube if
Speaker 1: you are looking at getting into social media marketing. His
Speaker 1: name's Jordan Platten. I've been so obsessed with his YouTube videos.
Speaker 1: I've been sending some to Soviet She still hasn't watched them.
Speaker 1: I'm almost concerned if she does, because she's going to
Speaker 1: get so excited like me, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: next level. But he shows you how to do different
Speaker 1: Facebook ads and he talks about how to sign on clients.
Speaker 1: So if you are starting a business, he's one that
Speaker 1: you can get really like. You can get really excited
Speaker 1: watching his content. He also does a course, but it
Speaker 1: sounds really expensive, and to be honest, he's giving out
Speaker 1: so much free information that's useful, so definitely check him out. Well,
Speaker 1: just going back to what we do day to day,
Speaker 1: This is a little tip for people who may be
Speaker 1: struggling to balance all of their different clients that they have,
Speaker 1: because it can get difficult when you have a lot
Speaker 1: on your plate. I have been doing time blocking, and
Speaker 1: that is because I got inspired by Courtney Magnum's recent podcast,
Speaker 1: which is called She Was the Fire, and she had
Speaker 1: an whole episode on how she time blocks and I
Speaker 1: god have a listened to it because it was really
Speaker 1: inspiring and it's something that I've been trying to implement
Speaker 1: this week and I found it really effective. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was funny. We were working up in Sophie's office and
Speaker 1: she just kept setting all these timers and it was
Speaker 1: crazy how quickly the time does go. I remember you
Speaker 1: said an hour timer and I was doing some editing
Speaker 1: and it literally just flew by. So it's a great
Speaker 1: tip for anyone who needs to be held accountable. And
Speaker 1: that kind of lends ourselves to the next question which
Speaker 1: we get asked a lot, which is about business mentors
Speaker 1: and whether it's a good idea to have one. I
Speaker 1: definitely think it is important to have a business mentor.
Speaker 1: We have a business mentor who used to be our
Speaker 1: news director. I mean, I don't know if he knows
Speaker 1: that he's our business mentor, but we do ask him
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and he's so intelligent and experienced,
Speaker 1: and I always just love listening to his take on
Speaker 1: different things. And I think it's also important even just
Speaker 1: to talk to your mum and dad about these things
Speaker 1: because everyone's parents have been in the working world for
Speaker 1: so long, and even just using friends as soundboards for
Speaker 1: different ideas as well. I think even when we were
Speaker 1: going through a bit of a difficult time after we
Speaker 1: left seven, it was really great to speak to people
Speaker 1: like Tracy Spicer, who had gone through a similar thing
Speaker 1: and also runs her own business. So even just speaking
Speaker 1: to like minded women like that's really helpful. And it
Speaker 1: is always great to get advice from someone else who
Speaker 1: has had a bit more experience than you, because I
Speaker 1: feel like while a lot of young people like to
Speaker 1: think that they know everything, there's always something new you
Speaker 1: can learn. But also if you don't know anybody, there's
Speaker 1: so many cool people that are on YouTube that do
Speaker 1: lots of inspiring business talks. And I love listening to
Speaker 1: Gary Va. I know he's quite divisive. Some people love
Speaker 1: him and some people think he's an idiot. But I
Speaker 1: get really inspired when I hear him, and he's a
Speaker 1: great one to watch on YouTube and to download on
Speaker 1: the podcast. And I know this is a bit basic bitch,
Speaker 1: and people are quite divided on Roxy jusayan Ko, but
Speaker 1: for me, she's someone that I've really enjoy listening to
Speaker 1: her different content that she puts out and attended her
Speaker 1: master class. This was right before we started our business,
Speaker 1: and it really cemented to me that that was something
Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. Do you know what's funny,
Speaker 1: because I do, you know, people like Rocksing and people
Speaker 1: like Gary Vee, they talk about more of the sort
Speaker 1: of grind, which is really cool and I really respect that.
Speaker 1: But I also do like people who talk more about,
Speaker 1: you know, choosing a job for the lifestyle of it.
Speaker 1: And I know, with you and I, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons we started our business was to be able to
Speaker 1: provide time to things that we actually wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So I would love there to be more chatter about
Speaker 1: and Gary Vee actually does talk about that a lot,
Speaker 1: choosing something that you actually enjoy doing rather than just
Speaker 1: like grinding away day and night making money. And I
Speaker 1: think that's definitely our mantra for our business. I mean
Speaker 1: we like to go and have you know, at lunchtime,
Speaker 1: we'll go and have a walk at the beach and
Speaker 1: we'll be and sometimes you feel really guilty, but we're like,
Speaker 1: this is our lunch break, this is why we do
Speaker 1: what we do. There's so much guilt put on small
Speaker 1: bites business owners and women that they're not doing enough.
Speaker 1: You're always told you're not doing enough. So I think
Speaker 1: that you know, you've got to let go of that. Yeah, well, Sophie,
Speaker 1: one question you get asked a lot, I suppose because
Speaker 1: of the old PR firm you used to work out.
Speaker 1: It was very much events based and people would say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so glamorous, and you know, how do you deal?
Speaker 1: And is it all smoke and mirrors? What is the
Speaker 1: actual reality of being in PR and running really fancy events? Well, well,
Speaker 1: not really fancy, but you know what I mean, the
Speaker 1: typical PR events, Well, it was exactly that. It was
Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors. I mean, I personally, like going from
Speaker 1: working as a reporter then going into this kind of
Speaker 1: more event stuff business was a huge shock for me
Speaker 1: because I personally hadn't been to that many events. And
Speaker 1: you know, all of us girls really hated the nights
Speaker 1: we had events on because we'd have to start work
Speaker 1: at the normal time, around eight thirty nine, and then
Speaker 1: you'd just be going till about eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 1: And the worst thing about events was we'd always have
Speaker 1: these like lavish grazing boards or you know, beautiful entrees
Speaker 1: being served, and we wouldn't be allowed to have any
Speaker 1: of the food, we wouldn't be allowed to have our
Speaker 1: handbag on us. We just had to stand there and
Speaker 1: basically be there for if anyone had any questions or
Speaker 1: needed to be introduced to someone. And you know, just
Speaker 1: having to have an outfit every week as well. I
Speaker 1: know that might sound glamorous, but it really wasn't, especially
Speaker 1: when you're not being paid much money to do it. Gosh,
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything worse than doing that. I hate.
Speaker 1: I actually hate those events. I would rather be sitting
Speaker 1: at home in my trackies, just relaxing. Well, just changing
Speaker 1: the topic completely, I wanted to talk about PR fails
Speaker 1: because after working in PR, you do actually notice them
Speaker 1: all the time. Now, have you seen any lately that
Speaker 1: you've just sort of gone, oh my god, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, it's not so much one person doing it.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a bit of a trend at
Speaker 1: the moment for influencers who bring out their own new business.
Speaker 1: The prfil that I keep seeing is that they're obviously
Speaker 1: putting all of their time and effort into this business,
Speaker 1: but they're failing to document the process. Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: let's just get to the point, because I know everyone
Speaker 1: loves someone We're just honest. We're talking about people like
Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson, you know, who's brought out her fashion line
Speaker 1: one Mile, and people like Shany Grimman who's got her
Speaker 1: bath the line. Yeah, what is it called? Silk swim swim,
Speaker 1: that's it. And when they were bringing it out, it
Speaker 1: was like they just went quiet on YouTube and and
Speaker 1: on Instagram somewhat. And it's like, you cannot expect people
Speaker 1: to buy your clothing line or your swimwear when we
Speaker 1: don't see anything from me. I mean, the reason I
Speaker 1: want to buy people's stuff, like influencers things, is because
Speaker 1: I feel this rapport with them, So you're not going
Speaker 1: to want to buy it, Like, you can't just go
Speaker 1: quiet when you bring out a product. Well, that's something
Speaker 1: that Mitch and Chloe seemed to be quite good at though,
Speaker 1: because I heard them speak on a podcast and they
Speaker 1: said that they they know that they're not going to
Speaker 1: make huge dollars from their actual ad sense on their
Speaker 1: YouTube accounts, but they want to keep that up because
Speaker 1: they know that that is the backbone of their businesses,
Speaker 1: because people want to know what they're doing. Well. YouTube
Speaker 1: is a branding exercise. You know, the money that you make,
Speaker 1: as you said, it is very minimal compared to what
Speaker 1: you could be making selling the clothes. But it's like
Speaker 1: branding for everything you're not going to like, if you're
Speaker 1: Nike and you haven't worked on branding, no one's going
Speaker 1: to pay three hundred dollars for your shoes. It's like
Speaker 1: it's no one's going to pay one hundred dollars for
Speaker 1: an influencers jumper if we don't know who you like,
Speaker 1: if we're not engaged in your life anymore. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: I do think that is a big pr blunder that
Speaker 1: influencers are making at the moment. It's one that they
Speaker 1: can easily rectify. Also being tone deaf, but I think
Speaker 1: we've touched on that quite a bit. I Mean, this
Speaker 1: is another one that kind of comes up on a
Speaker 1: lot of business podcasts. It's when entrepreneurs talk about whether
Speaker 1: they kind of spotted that that was going to be
Speaker 1: their passion later in life. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: something amy that you kind of thought you do one day? Well,
Speaker 1: remember we had this discussion with our cousin. It was
Speaker 1: hilarious because he pointed out that I, in fact would
Speaker 1: be labeled an entrepreneur because I never did public relations before.
Speaker 1: So I went from doing a completely different job to
Speaker 1: actually starting a PR company, which apparently is a deaf
Speaker 1: shipping entrepreneurial? What am I? I don't know, You're just
Speaker 1: another word for it. Why didn't study public relations? I
Speaker 1: studied JO But you when you were working in PR
Speaker 1: and then you started business. So anyway, I thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. I think, if I'm being completely honest,
Speaker 1: I'm more of the schemer in the business. So I
Speaker 1: probably would consider myself quite entrepreneurial. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it really showed any signs as a child, Like It's
Speaker 1: not like we had, you know, a lemonade stand like
Speaker 1: Gary Vee. I mean we used to make lemonade. Well,
Speaker 1: what we more did was we actually used to film
Speaker 1: a lot of things, like we used to film us
Speaker 1: doing skits and that sort of stuff and make poor
Speaker 1: Mum and Dad watch them. Yeah, we used to always
Speaker 1: love filming stuff. It was quite funny because we did
Speaker 1: end up working as news reporters. We did find some
Speaker 1: vision of us pretending to report on the news, and
Speaker 1: that was pretty funny. It was pretty funny. So I
Speaker 1: suppose we've always been interested in it. But I mean, I,
Speaker 1: as I've mentioned so many times, I love flipping things.
Speaker 1: I mean I used to collect hands. I remember I
Speaker 1: used to collect cans and cash them in for money.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little more risk adverse, So I
Speaker 1: don't think that I'm the sort of person like if
Speaker 1: it was just me, I probably wouldn't have made the
Speaker 1: leap of faith to start up my own business. But
Speaker 1: in saying that, I think that's why we make the
Speaker 1: perfect match, because we oh the perfect match. The perfect match. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think our skills compliment one another. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sophie pulls me into line. I'll come up with these
Speaker 1: hair brain schemes, and most of the time we do
Speaker 1: actually go with them. It's pretty funny. Though. We'll be
Speaker 1: in a meeting and Amy's will just get this expression
Speaker 1: on her face, and I'm sort of like, oh no,
Speaker 1: she's gonna come up with some hair brain scheme. But
Speaker 1: then a lot of the time the client seem to
Speaker 1: love the idea anyway, so just gotta get a bit creative.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, lastly, we thought we'd wrap this up
Speaker 1: by talking about some inspirational business podcast that we like
Speaker 1: listening to and we think you guys should get on too,
Speaker 1: So if do you have any that you've been listening to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I touched on her before, and it was Courtney Mangan
Speaker 1: who runs PRFM, Spin and Co. And I do love
Speaker 1: listening to her new podcast, which is She Was the Fire.
Speaker 1: And then she also had a pre podcast called The
Speaker 1: Spin Life where they dissected business, so that was one
Speaker 1: that I've really enjoyed. I've been getting into Georgie Stevenson's
Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer podcast because she does speak to a
Speaker 1: lot of really interesting guests. And I also do love
Speaker 1: The Health Code by Sarah's Day and Kurt Hills because
Speaker 1: they do lots of inspirational podcasts about turning your side
Speaker 1: hustle into your main gig and all of that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I really do love hearing about how
Speaker 1: they've been so successful. As I mentioned, Gary Vee, you
Speaker 1: guys have got to get onto gary V. He is incredible.
Speaker 1: I do enjoy listening to it, but I think sometimes
Speaker 1: because we are so focused on our business, when I
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast, I like to escape and listen
Speaker 1: to things that, you know, just fun and happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got to be in a mindset to listen to
Speaker 1: Gary V. I think I was listening to him a
Speaker 1: bit too much. I was literally I'm like the biggest
Speaker 1: Gary V fangirl. I always bring it up in conversations
Speaker 1: and meeting I'm like, shut up. Everyone loves it. I
Speaker 1: can tell the clients that have listened to Gary Vee
Speaker 1: because they're all into the video content, which is my
Speaker 1: side of things. So anyway, there's some good ones to
Speaker 1: get into. Oh. Also, I mean it's not really a
Speaker 1: business one, but I love She's on the Money by
Speaker 1: Victoria Devine. That's an incredible podcast, is Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that one. I think that's probably all we have time for.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear what other business podcast people
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Speaker 1: should be following along the way, and we are hoping
Speaker 1: to do some more business podcasts in the future. We
Speaker 1: do have a list of guests that we want to
Speaker 1: have on Who's Jans. We want to pick and hopefully
Speaker 1: give you guys some really useful information. So thanks so
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