1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: That is so fetch, Thank you, hello, and welcome back 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: to Outspoken. Now. Amy and I just got back into 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: the office after a big day out at a shoe 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: and we thought, why not talk about all things PR. 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: So we thought we'd do a bit of a PR masterclass. Yeah. So, 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know who might be 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: new to the podcast, Sophie and I run a digital 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: agency called Hula Media and a few We launched it 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: three years ago and it was called the PR Bible 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: and we focused on all things public relations. But now 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: the business has expanded to offer content creation services and 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: social media marketing services as well as public relations. Yeah, 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: so we decided to rebrand a number of months ago. Actually, 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: it was right on the cusp of when Corona sort 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: of broke out, and we didn't think it was a 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: great time to be announcing our new name. So, yeah, 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: it's only been a few months that we've changed over 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: to Hula Media, and we did receive a few questions 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: about how we tackled the rebrand, how we came up 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: with the new name, So Iman, can you fill everyone 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: in how we came up with the name, because it 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: was a very long process. Yeah. Well, we first realized 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: that we actually hated the name. And I think it's important, 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: I mean the old name, the old name, the PR bible, 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean when we first came up with it. The 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: reason we wanted to include the word PR in it 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: because we thought it would help us with our SEO ranking, 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: which it really did. And I used to work at 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: a previous PR agency called Girl about Town. And when 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: I'd ring up and say that I was from a 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: business called Girl about Town, and for those in Adelaide 37 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: who know, we used to work on Heinley Street, and 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: that would raise a few eyebrows. People thought we were 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: either a promotions business or even a strip club. So 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: we really wanted to make it easy for our clients 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: know who we were. And you said we wanted it 42 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to be help us with our SEO ranking, but that 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: was totally wrong because everyone just kept asking us if 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: we were religious, and we had to keep explaining it's 45 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: like the lad Bible and all of that by Bube. 46 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: That being said, we did pick up some lovely Christian clients. 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Some people did come to us because we had the 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: name Bible in it. But yeah, so we decided at 49 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: the start of this year that we wanted to rebrand, 50 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: and it was so difficult coming up with the name 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: because there are so many names that are already taken 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: and so we no name was springing to mind, which 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: was really difficult because Sophie and I pride ourselves on 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: being quite creative, and we just couldn't think of anything. Well, 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: I think the best advice was, if you are trying 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: to come up with a name, you're not going to 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: come up with it just sitting at your desk, Yeah, 58 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: trying to think, think, think. So what we like to 59 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: do is if we have a brainstorm session. Amy and 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: I are lucky enough to live quite close to the beach, 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: and we'll do it of a beach walk, you know, 62 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: have a look around. What's about the place? I don't know. 63 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: You always feel a bit refreshed when you're out in outside, 64 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: and I think there's all also so many different resources 65 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: on YouTube, so I was looking up different ways that 66 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: people had come up with business names, and there was 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: a lot of advice on there saying that a two 68 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: syllable name is really helpful. And the reason we came 69 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: up with Hula was we wanted to be known as 70 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, the girls from Hula or that 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: the team from Hula, instead of because it's I don't know, 72 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: the PR Bible it was too many words, well, yeah, 73 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: one word. We really wanted to have a business that 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: was just really one main word, and we also wanted 75 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: something that seemed bright and fun and young but still professional. 76 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: We kind of want to do something that was a 77 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: little bit different to all of the other PR firms 78 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: here in Adelaid because they're kind of all a bit 79 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: old school, so we wanted to be bright and fresh. 80 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: But it was important as well to have the word 81 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: media because we do so much more than PR. So anyway, 82 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: that's the background for us changing our name to Hula Media. 83 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: But a lot of people we found, even clients that 84 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: approach us, actually don't even know what public relations is. 85 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: And I must be honest. When I first went to UNI, 86 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: I had no idea what PR is because I used 87 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: to watch Absolutely Fabulous, which is an English a comedy, 88 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and they used to laugh and joke about that they 89 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: worked in PR and they'd always be drinking champagne and 90 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: going to events and so kind of that's sort of 91 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: what I thought PR was, thought, I don't want to 92 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: be a part of this. Can people jump in our 93 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: Facebook community if they have also watched Absolutely Fabulous? Our 94 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: Facebook community has outspoken the podcast community. And it's so 95 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: funny because the night before my first PR job, we 96 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: literally thrash that show and I have to say, I'm 97 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Patsy and you're Eddie. For those who are playing at home, 98 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Eddie's the boss, though Patsy is just like the friend. 99 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: That's just the hanger on. That's right, sweeties. So it's 100 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: quite accurate, not really, but so yeah, So a lot 101 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: of people don't actually know what PR is, and just 102 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: if you guys are wondering at home. So as publicists, 103 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: we work as the middleman between the client and the media. 104 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: So we liaise with the media about different stories that 105 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: our clients might have going and we also come up 106 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: with really creative angles that we think will make a 107 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: great news story, especially now there's so much more to 108 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: pr in the modern world we're living in because it's 109 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: all about social media strategies, even crisis management, and influencers, influencers. 110 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: There's just so many facets to it, which is why 111 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. We'll talking about influencers. We do 112 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: work with some influencers and have had some experience in 113 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: that field. Sophie, what is the reality of actually organizing 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: a kind of a deal with an influencer, Well, it 115 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: can be really frustrating. It can be a bit of 116 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: a waiting game. I mean, it really depends which influencer 117 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: you're working with and whether they have a manager. So 118 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: generally speaking, it's easier when they do have a manager, 119 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: who most likely will get back to you within the 120 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: within a few days. That being said, some of them 121 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: can be really slack and a lot of them are 122 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: just looking for their ten percent or twenty percent cut. 123 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: But that being said, a number of influencers you do 124 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: try and contact directly, they're terrible at getting back to you, 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: which is so surprising considering you know they have the 126 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: possibility of making a lot of money from it. Well, 127 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: it's normally the bigger the influencer, the worse they are. 128 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: At actually getting back to you because they do all 129 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: have manager that normally handle all of these deals. But 130 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: one hack I can give people if they're looking, you know, 131 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: if you've got a new brand or a new product 132 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: that you're bringing out. My advice would be to actually 133 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: contact the influencer directly. If they're a micro influencer, even 134 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: if they are a bigger influencer, it's worth a try 135 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: because sometimes they'll charge less money. Like the manager is 136 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: always looking for the best deal for their client and 137 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: they'll always bump the price up. But we've found when 138 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: we've worked with some influencers, they're more than happy to 139 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: either work for a voucher if it's for you know, 140 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: to be in a particular video or something like that, 141 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: because they want the exposure. Yeah. I mean, we do 142 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: work for a major shopping center here in Adelaide and 143 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: a number of influencers we do approach. If you contact 144 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: them directly, they're more than happy to just want to 145 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: be associated with the fabulous brand at hand. But when 146 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: you go through their manager, as you said, they just 147 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: want a profit from it. So that is a good 148 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: little tip. I suppose that kind of leads on to 149 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: how we deal with some difficult clients as well, because 150 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, along the way of our three years of business, 151 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: there have been some very difficult clients, and you know, 152 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: you do have to jump through hurdles in the first 153 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: early stages of your business to impress people. Well, I 154 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: think you quickly realize who you do and don't want 155 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: to work with, and that's something that we've realized over 156 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the past three years. As you said, So when we 157 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: first started out, you kind of just have to work 158 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: with anybody and everybody to get your name out there. 159 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: And we did work with a lot of small businesses 160 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: and some of them were amazing and some of them, 161 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, were just nightmares. Yeah, that would be 162 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: my piece of advice for maybe a small public or 163 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: boutique public relations firm, is you really need to work 164 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: out who your niche market is, because you know, it's 165 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: great to have a particular niche, but you've also got 166 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: to work out, as you say, who you don't want 167 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: to work with. So it's really tough working with small 168 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: businesses because that is their whole world. Well, the thing 169 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: with small businesses is they can be great, but they 170 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: also expect a lot from you, and they also don't 171 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: want to pay a lot of money. So what we've 172 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: realized is we actually want to work with bigger brands 173 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: because one we actually enjoy that side of PR. We 174 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: enjoy pushing bigger stories. We enjoy strategizing, we enjoy the 175 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: influencer side of things we don't so much enjoy. You know, 176 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot of small businesses, there's not heaps you can 177 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: do for them unless there's a really news where the 178 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: angle and retain a PR for a small business just 179 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: isn't really a necessary thing. I think it's also difficult 180 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: dealing with people who, you know, perhaps it's a hospitality business, 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: who don't understand actually what PR is, so they don't 182 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: understand and that the results you're getting are very good. Yeah, 183 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: and that sort of leads us. I suppose you did 184 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: say how do you deal with difficult clients? And we're 185 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: not going to name anyone, but we have a client 186 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: that we no longer work with from our choice, and 187 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: this sort of it was. It was a really good 188 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: learning experience, to be honest, because it showed us who 189 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: we don't want to work with. And I suppose some 190 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: of the warning signs and this particular client, we got 191 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: them so much coverage. I mean, you know, for the 192 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: business they were, this was sensational coverage, and they would 193 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: just never happy with anything. I think also, when you 194 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: get a client that just takes up so much of 195 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: your time, like it was constant phone calls for about 196 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: two hours, and as a small business, it's just not 197 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: acceptable to have that sort of demand on you. Yeah, Well, 198 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: with that client in particular, they also didn't listen to 199 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: our advice, so they disregard our strategic advice and do 200 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: what they wanted and then not actually get the results 201 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: that they wanted. But that's a really good point for 202 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: anyone who is in public relations or if you're starting 203 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: your own business. I think you need to add up 204 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: the hours that you're spending on each job and then 205 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: evaluate whether it's worth it for your business. Because in 206 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: this instance, we were finding that we were working so 207 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: many hours that it worked out to be we're paying 208 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: ourselves like five dollars an hour, and that's not good business. 209 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: So we ended up ending that contract. And now we're 210 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: really careful who we choose to work with. Yeah, and 211 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: I think obviously we're in a position now that we're 212 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: three years in so we can be a little bit 213 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: more selective of who we choose to work with because 214 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: there have been some people now that we just say no, 215 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't have the time. The other question 216 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people ask us, and I'm always interested 217 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: by this question when I hear about other people's jobs, 218 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: is what is the day to day life of someone 219 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: who is in PR? And this is what I love 220 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: most about PR. Every day is different. So you know, 221 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: for us, we have our retainer clients, but we also 222 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: have one off clients who pop up, so we always 223 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: are working with different people every day and meeting new people, 224 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: which is an exciting part of the job for Amy 225 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: and I. We do like to start the day off 226 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: in a meeting of sorts, so we assess what we're 227 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: doing for the day, and you know, those meanings can 228 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: last anywhere from half an hour to an hour depending 229 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: on what we're planning. That's right. I mean, if you 230 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: look at today, I will give today as an example. 231 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Today we had a podcast interview with my Millennial Money, 232 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: which was really good, but he was how crazy was 233 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: that interview? So yeah, I think we're actually going to 234 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: leave some specifics of that interview for our Awkward Turtle 235 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: on Monday. Because yeah, it was Yeah, let's just say 236 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: that interview. I felt so bad for them. Sophie's course 237 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a ruckus. So we'll leave that to 238 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: Monday's episode. But so we did that interview, then we 239 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: did some basic office admin kind of work. Then we 240 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: went out to a shoot for most of the afternoon. 241 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: So we do lots of content shoots and that's actually 242 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: my favorite part of the day is because I do 243 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: all of the videography work, so and SO does all 244 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: the producing side of things, so she'll ask the client 245 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: all the questions or whoever the talent is. So it's 246 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: very much back to what we were doing when we're 247 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: working as reporters, which I really love about that part 248 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: of the job. And that's the thing Amy, I'm gonna 249 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: pump your tires up here. You're a very talented videographer. 250 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: And because I don't actually do any of the videography myself, 251 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the part that I really enjoy is organizing the shoots. 252 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: So I organize a lot of the talent. For instance, 253 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: we work from a major shopping center, and I kind 254 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: of come up with some of the creative and fun 255 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: ideas and source influences for those sort of things. But 256 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: it is really funny because Amy and I are quite 257 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: a perfect pairing because, as I said, Amy does have 258 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: the videography side of things, but I'm more in charge 259 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: of our public relations side of things in the business, 260 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: so we work well together with that sort of dynamic. 261 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: And We're also doing a lot more social media marketing, 262 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: which I'm loving. And I do want to give everybody 263 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: a hot tip of someone to watch on YouTube if 264 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: you are looking at getting into social media marketing. His 265 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: name's Jordan Platten. I've been so obsessed with his YouTube videos. 266 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: I've been sending some to Soviet She still hasn't watched them. 267 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: I'm almost concerned if she does, because she's going to 268 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: get so excited like me, and it's going to be 269 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: next level. But he shows you how to do different 270 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: Facebook ads and he talks about how to sign on clients. 271 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: So if you are starting a business, he's one that 272 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: you can get really like. You can get really excited 273 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: watching his content. He also does a course, but it 274 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: sounds really expensive, and to be honest, he's giving out 275 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: so much free information that's useful, so definitely check him out. Well, 276 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: just going back to what we do day to day, 277 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: This is a little tip for people who may be 278 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: struggling to balance all of their different clients that they have, 279 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: because it can get difficult when you have a lot 280 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: on your plate. I have been doing time blocking, and 281 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: that is because I got inspired by Courtney Magnum's recent podcast, 282 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: which is called She Was the Fire, and she had 283 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: an whole episode on how she time blocks and I 284 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: god have a listened to it because it was really 285 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: inspiring and it's something that I've been trying to implement 286 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: this week and I found it really effective. Yeah, it 287 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: was funny. We were working up in Sophie's office and 288 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: she just kept setting all these timers and it was 289 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: crazy how quickly the time does go. I remember you 290 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: said an hour timer and I was doing some editing 291 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: and it literally just flew by. So it's a great 292 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: tip for anyone who needs to be held accountable. And 293 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: that kind of lends ourselves to the next question which 294 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: we get asked a lot, which is about business mentors 295 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: and whether it's a good idea to have one. I 296 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: definitely think it is important to have a business mentor. 297 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: We have a business mentor who used to be our 298 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: news director. I mean, I don't know if he knows 299 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: that he's our business mentor, but we do ask him 300 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of questions and he's so intelligent and experienced, 301 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: and I always just love listening to his take on 302 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: different things. And I think it's also important even just 303 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: to talk to your mum and dad about these things 304 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: because everyone's parents have been in the working world for 305 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: so long, and even just using friends as soundboards for 306 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: different ideas as well. I think even when we were 307 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: going through a bit of a difficult time after we 308 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: left seven, it was really great to speak to people 309 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: like Tracy Spicer, who had gone through a similar thing 310 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: and also runs her own business. So even just speaking 311 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: to like minded women like that's really helpful. And it 312 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: is always great to get advice from someone else who 313 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: has had a bit more experience than you, because I 314 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like while a lot of young people like to 315 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: think that they know everything, there's always something new you 316 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: can learn. But also if you don't know anybody, there's 317 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: so many cool people that are on YouTube that do 318 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: lots of inspiring business talks. And I love listening to 319 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Gary Va. I know he's quite divisive. Some people love 320 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: him and some people think he's an idiot. But I 321 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: get really inspired when I hear him, and he's a 322 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: great one to watch on YouTube and to download on 323 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: the podcast. And I know this is a bit basic bitch, 324 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: and people are quite divided on Roxy jusayan Ko, but 325 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: for me, she's someone that I've really enjoy listening to 326 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: her different content that she puts out and attended her 327 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: master class. This was right before we started our business, 328 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: and it really cemented to me that that was something 329 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. Do you know what's funny, 330 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: because I do, you know, people like Rocksing and people 331 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: like Gary Vee, they talk about more of the sort 332 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: of grind, which is really cool and I really respect that. 333 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: But I also do like people who talk more about, 334 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, choosing a job for the lifestyle of it. 335 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: And I know, with you and I, one of the 336 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: reasons we started our business was to be able to 337 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: provide time to things that we actually wanted to do. 338 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: So I would love there to be more chatter about 339 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: and Gary Vee actually does talk about that a lot, 340 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: choosing something that you actually enjoy doing rather than just 341 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: like grinding away day and night making money. And I 342 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: think that's definitely our mantra for our business. I mean 343 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: we like to go and have you know, at lunchtime, 344 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: we'll go and have a walk at the beach and 345 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: we'll be and sometimes you feel really guilty, but we're like, 346 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: this is our lunch break, this is why we do 347 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: what we do. There's so much guilt put on small 348 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: bites business owners and women that they're not doing enough. 349 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: You're always told you're not doing enough. So I think 350 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: that you know, you've got to let go of that. Yeah, well, Sophie, 351 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: one question you get asked a lot, I suppose because 352 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: of the old PR firm you used to work out. 353 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: It was very much events based and people would say, oh, 354 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: it's so glamorous, and you know, how do you deal? 355 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: And is it all smoke and mirrors? What is the 356 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: actual reality of being in PR and running really fancy events? Well, well, 357 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: not really fancy, but you know what I mean, the 358 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: typical PR events, Well, it was exactly that. It was 359 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors. I mean, I personally, like going from 360 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: working as a reporter then going into this kind of 361 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: more event stuff business was a huge shock for me 362 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: because I personally hadn't been to that many events. And 363 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, all of us girls really hated the nights 364 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: we had events on because we'd have to start work 365 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: at the normal time, around eight thirty nine, and then 366 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: you'd just be going till about eleven o'clock at night. 367 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: And the worst thing about events was we'd always have 368 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: these like lavish grazing boards or you know, beautiful entrees 369 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: being served, and we wouldn't be allowed to have any 370 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: of the food, we wouldn't be allowed to have our 371 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: handbag on us. We just had to stand there and 372 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: basically be there for if anyone had any questions or 373 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: needed to be introduced to someone. And you know, just 374 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: having to have an outfit every week as well. I 375 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: know that might sound glamorous, but it really wasn't, especially 376 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: when you're not being paid much money to do it. Gosh, 377 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything worse than doing that. I hate. 378 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: I actually hate those events. I would rather be sitting 379 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: at home in my trackies, just relaxing. Well, just changing 380 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: the topic completely, I wanted to talk about PR fails 381 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: because after working in PR, you do actually notice them 382 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: all the time. Now, have you seen any lately that 383 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: you've just sort of gone, oh my god, that's ridiculous. 384 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, it's not so much one person doing it. 385 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: It seems to be a bit of a trend at 386 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: the moment for influencers who bring out their own new business. 387 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: The prfil that I keep seeing is that they're obviously 388 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: putting all of their time and effort into this business, 389 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: but they're failing to document the process. Okay, so you're 390 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: let's just get to the point, because I know everyone 391 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: loves someone We're just honest. We're talking about people like 392 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson, you know, who's brought out her fashion line 393 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: one Mile, and people like Shany Grimman who's got her 394 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: bath the line. Yeah, what is it called? Silk swim swim, 395 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: that's it. And when they were bringing it out, it 396 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: was like they just went quiet on YouTube and and 397 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: on Instagram somewhat. And it's like, you cannot expect people 398 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: to buy your clothing line or your swimwear when we 399 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: don't see anything from me. I mean, the reason I 400 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: want to buy people's stuff, like influencers things, is because 401 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: I feel this rapport with them, So you're not going 402 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: to want to buy it, Like, you can't just go 403 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: quiet when you bring out a product. Well, that's something 404 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: that Mitch and Chloe seemed to be quite good at though, 405 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: because I heard them speak on a podcast and they 406 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: said that they they know that they're not going to 407 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: make huge dollars from their actual ad sense on their 408 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: YouTube accounts, but they want to keep that up because 409 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: they know that that is the backbone of their businesses, 410 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: because people want to know what they're doing. Well. YouTube 411 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: is a branding exercise. You know, the money that you make, 412 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: as you said, it is very minimal compared to what 413 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: you could be making selling the clothes. But it's like 414 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: branding for everything you're not going to like, if you're 415 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Nike and you haven't worked on branding, no one's going 416 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: to pay three hundred dollars for your shoes. It's like 417 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: it's no one's going to pay one hundred dollars for 418 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: an influencers jumper if we don't know who you like, 419 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: if we're not engaged in your life anymore. Yeah, that's right. 420 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: I do think that is a big pr blunder that 421 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: influencers are making at the moment. It's one that they 422 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: can easily rectify. Also being tone deaf, but I think 423 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: we've touched on that quite a bit. I Mean, this 424 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: is another one that kind of comes up on a 425 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: lot of business podcasts. It's when entrepreneurs talk about whether 426 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: they kind of spotted that that was going to be 427 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: their passion later in life. Do you think it was 428 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: something amy that you kind of thought you do one day? Well, 429 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: remember we had this discussion with our cousin. It was 430 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: hilarious because he pointed out that I, in fact would 431 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: be labeled an entrepreneur because I never did public relations before. 432 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: So I went from doing a completely different job to 433 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: actually starting a PR company, which apparently is a deaf 434 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: shipping entrepreneurial? What am I? I don't know, You're just 435 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: another word for it. Why didn't study public relations? I 436 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: studied JO But you when you were working in PR 437 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and then you started business. So anyway, I thought that 438 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: was kind of funny. I think, if I'm being completely honest, 439 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm more of the schemer in the business. So I 440 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: probably would consider myself quite entrepreneurial. But I don't think 441 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: it really showed any signs as a child, Like It's 442 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: not like we had, you know, a lemonade stand like 443 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: Gary Vee. I mean we used to make lemonade. Well, 444 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: what we more did was we actually used to film 445 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things, like we used to film us 446 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: doing skits and that sort of stuff and make poor 447 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad watch them. Yeah, we used to always 448 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: love filming stuff. It was quite funny because we did 449 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: end up working as news reporters. We did find some 450 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: vision of us pretending to report on the news, and 451 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: that was pretty funny. It was pretty funny. So I 452 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: suppose we've always been interested in it. But I mean, I, 453 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: as I've mentioned so many times, I love flipping things. 454 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: I mean I used to collect hands. I remember I 455 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: used to collect cans and cash them in for money. 456 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little more risk adverse, So I 457 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: don't think that I'm the sort of person like if 458 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: it was just me, I probably wouldn't have made the 459 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: leap of faith to start up my own business. But 460 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: in saying that, I think that's why we make the 461 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: perfect match, because we oh the perfect match. The perfect match. Yeah, 462 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: I just think our skills compliment one another. Well, yeah, 463 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: Sophie pulls me into line. I'll come up with these 464 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: hair brain schemes, and most of the time we do 465 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: actually go with them. It's pretty funny. Though. We'll be 466 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: in a meeting and Amy's will just get this expression 467 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: on her face, and I'm sort of like, oh no, 468 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: she's gonna come up with some hair brain scheme. But 469 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: then a lot of the time the client seem to 470 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: love the idea anyway, so just gotta get a bit creative. 471 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: That's right. Well, lastly, we thought we'd wrap this up 472 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: by talking about some inspirational business podcast that we like 473 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: listening to and we think you guys should get on too, 474 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: So if do you have any that you've been listening to. Yeah, 475 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: I touched on her before, and it was Courtney Mangan 476 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: who runs PRFM, Spin and Co. And I do love 477 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: listening to her new podcast, which is She Was the Fire. 478 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: And then she also had a pre podcast called The 479 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: Spin Life where they dissected business, so that was one 480 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: that I've really enjoyed. I've been getting into Georgie Stevenson's 481 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer podcast because she does speak to a 482 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of really interesting guests. And I also do love 483 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: The Health Code by Sarah's Day and Kurt Hills because 484 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: they do lots of inspirational podcasts about turning your side 485 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: hustle into your main gig and all of that sort 486 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I really do love hearing about how 487 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: they've been so successful. As I mentioned, Gary Vee, you 488 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: guys have got to get onto gary V. He is incredible. 489 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: I do enjoy listening to it, but I think sometimes 490 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: because we are so focused on our business, when I 491 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: listen to a podcast, I like to escape and listen 492 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: to things that, you know, just fun and happy. Yeah, 493 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: you've got to be in a mindset to listen to 494 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Gary V. I think I was listening to him a 495 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: bit too much. I was literally I'm like the biggest 496 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Gary V fangirl. I always bring it up in conversations 497 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: and meeting I'm like, shut up. Everyone loves it. I 498 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: can tell the clients that have listened to Gary Vee 499 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: because they're all into the video content, which is my 500 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: side of things. So anyway, there's some good ones to 501 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: get into. Oh. Also, I mean it's not really a 502 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: business one, but I love She's on the Money by 503 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: Victoria Devine. That's an incredible podcast, is Yeah, I love 504 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: that one. I think that's probably all we have time for. 505 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 506 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed today's episode, it would be amazing 507 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: if you could leave us a review on the Apple 508 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: podcast and whatever Spotify's version of that is. Yeah, we're 509 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: copying a bit of hate from some of the some 510 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: influencers fans, so we'd love if you can help us 511 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: get back up the charts in the podcast Redcup. I 512 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: think we can do a bit better than a three 513 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: point five at the moment. But thank you to everyone 514 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: who has comments. You guys are so kind, Like I 515 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: don't even read the negative bronze. I just go to 516 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: your guys' comments and they're so lovely, So thank you, 517 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: like a big thank you to everyone who's left us 518 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: a comment, and please come and join our Facebook community. Yeah, 519 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: I would love to hear what other business podcast people 520 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: are listening to and if there's some good people we 521 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: should be following along the way, and we are hoping 522 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: to do some more business podcasts in the future. We 523 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: do have a list of guests that we want to 524 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: have on Who's Jans. We want to pick and hopefully 525 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: give you guys some really useful information. So thanks so 526 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: much again for listening.