WEBVTT - Have Our Boundaries Destroyed Our Sense of Community?

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Laugh on Cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura, I'm Brittany.

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<v Speaker 3>Brittany has gastro no. I.

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<v Speaker 2>Firstly, I just had this thought. I often forget the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we talk about on here.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget them.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest fan in the world is my dad. Puny

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<v Speaker 2>listens shout out. He listens to every episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he listen to every single one? Still every episode.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets up at four thirty am every day to

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<v Speaker 2>work out, to do his pull ups yep, to do

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<v Speaker 2>but big big tomes. He's keeping fear and he listens

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<v Speaker 2>to the podcast. And I often get messages from him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if he is inspired by an interview, or

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<v Speaker 2>he gives me really good feedback, like he genuinely listens.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, hey, Britty, I loved what this such and

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<v Speaker 2>such sett in this episode and was really thought, Perican,

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting to hear your guys opinion on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's always like quite deep, you know, good feedback,

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<v Speaker 2>solid feedback.

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<v Speaker 3>We stand as supportive daddy. That's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day it was like, ah, heard you had

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of fun at the laser clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember when I was talking about laser getting laser

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<v Speaker 2>and the blowing air was on my vagina and I

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<v Speaker 2>said it was ticklish, and he's like, excuse, like, hey, bringing,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just good to know what you're keeping maintenance down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and like he just jokes about it. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just forget that. My dad listens to me.

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<v Speaker 4>We kind of different version of the audio that your

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<v Speaker 4>dad will cut of anything to do with body or

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<v Speaker 4>sex with Ben, Like we're just an amended version.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it's game of your dad to say anything,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can listen. They're the conversations you don't bring up.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the found mention.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, there's My family is one of those families, the

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<v Speaker 2>six of us. My parents been married forty eight years

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and that would be a dinner table conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's nothing that is off limits, like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of talking about sex and all that stuff. We were

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<v Speaker 2>such an open family, which I love now I love

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't realize it was so open at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was normal, Like it just created an

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<v Speaker 2>environment where you could talk about anything. And like my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>it used to make us cringe, but we would know

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<v Speaker 2>when they'd had sex growing up, not as kids, but

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<v Speaker 2>as teach.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm disgusted for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Laura and I shudder in divorced parents totally.

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<v Speaker 2>But as teenagers you just know that come out Dad

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<v Speaker 2>give like mom a little hit on the bottom and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd know. And I'd be like, you guys had sex,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you, And Dad'd be like, yeah we did, Mo'm

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, tell me of the kids, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was just that kind of a family. And I get

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<v Speaker 2>now as an adult that that I was a minority.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually I drove my friend to work today and

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<v Speaker 2>she said, you know how rare it is to have

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<v Speaker 2>your family unit these days, Like to have parents that

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<v Speaker 2>are still together for so long.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's still like each other and still like each other,

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<v Speaker 3>is still attracted to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lots of parents like live amicably and like they

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<v Speaker 1>co parent and they're like, you know, they're in the

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<v Speaker 1>comfort stage.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never related to something you've ever said less same same.

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<v Speaker 4>I literally have broken home, Like I've never once seen

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<v Speaker 4>my parents even thinking all the way back when tap

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<v Speaker 4>each other on the bum in a cheeky way.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone wants to talk about parents fighting over child support,

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<v Speaker 1>like I can really relate to that slide into my DM.

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<v Speaker 4>If anyone has like a three month period where they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't see their parents speak, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys will know Terry Byurn. He lives on Magnetic Island.

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<v Speaker 1>He lives with the Koalas. He's like one with the koalas.

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<v Speaker 1>No wi fi, no, no, absolutely no wi fi. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>actually he might have it now. He's definitely got a

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<v Speaker 1>mobile phone. Every day I get a nature update from

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. He still doesn't really understand what a podcast is.

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<v Speaker 1>He calls it a pod book.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually love that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never ever have to worry about him hearing

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<v Speaker 1>or knowing anything that I say or do.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's fine. I'm in the clear with Terry Burrn.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in the same bone.

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<v Speaker 4>And my dad doesn't know that I have ADHD. He

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<v Speaker 4>created a whole timpart mini series about it.

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<v Speaker 5>But I was like, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't have Instagram or he doesn't know how to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to podcasts, So I'm in the clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Should you just maybe send him, would you? Yeah, it's probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Things in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Kusha doesn't want him to hear to be honest it Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like that time that you got the liplip and

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't give a blow jobs. I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 2>hear Dad, you don't want you hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my.

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<v Speaker 5>Career, aren't you for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Something else I did want to say is and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that Laura, you're gonna hate what I'm about to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, well, I was because it's about like manifesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't hate manifesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about that in a second, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hate it, I have reasons to dislike the

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<v Speaker 1>version of manifesting that's kind of touted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well this is like the it's like an anti

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<v Speaker 2>manifest manifest probably isn't the word, but you know how

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>I had said Delilah's never been to the hospital, she

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<v Speaker 2>has never been sick before, and then three hours later

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<v Speaker 2>I was taking it to the emergency VET and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, I wieled that into fruition. That day.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it again. A couple of days ago, so

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend, I was talking to a girl and

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about food poisoning. That day, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>not talked about food poisoning in it's not something that

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<v Speaker 2>comes up right. And I literally said to her, She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>care if you don't get it when you go to

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<v Speaker 2>Balley and I said, oh, yeah, I've been to Bili loads.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. I was like, I actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>get food poisoning, like I couldn't total last time I

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<v Speaker 2>got food poisoning. And she's like, wow, you're so lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, yeah, I must have guts of steel.

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<v Speaker 2>So then all of us go out as a group

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<v Speaker 2>that day on National Carbonara Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind you, it was also the late celebration for my birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we were celebrating Carbinara Day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a week later celebration for Laura's birthday, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was also National Carbonara Day. I only know that

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<v Speaker 2>because carbonara would be the meal that I had on

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<v Speaker 2>my deathbed. Anyway, So we went to this amazing restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>like quite high end, quite classy, quite expensive, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, the Carbonaro is going to be amazing. Waited

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half for it. They were very slow.

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<v Speaker 4>We did have a five point thirty booking because it

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<v Speaker 4>was so it was actually so busy that that's the

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<v Speaker 4>only time we could get in.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a geriatric booking, isn't it. We were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll take it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a it's a parenting booking.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I had five thirty or eight thirty when I

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<v Speaker 4>went to book and I knew us well enough to

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<v Speaker 4>know which of those options.

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<v Speaker 3>Five thirty is the mum time slot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, five thirty is also my time slot. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to go out and start the evening at eight thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>It was quite expensive, like it cost me a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of hundred bucks for the meal. And then I got

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<v Speaker 2>home and that Carbonara did me so dirty that about

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<v Speaker 2>four hours, almost to the minute, I got this pang

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<v Speaker 2>in my stomach and I was like, what's that. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that doesn't feel good. Within ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on all fours in the bathroom, both ends

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<v Speaker 2>like heaving.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the moments where you're happy you live on

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<v Speaker 3>your own, no.

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<v Speaker 2>There the moments yes, like I don't want Ben to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen that, but also someone to help you in

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<v Speaker 2>those moments would so be good, like don't come in

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<v Speaker 2>the room, don't see it, but like sliding stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>the door.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget I'll never forget when I used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so everyone, we have a new videographer, Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 2>Keeping here in the background for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Our video edited Vanessa. So, Nas and I have lived

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<v Speaker 1>together for I mean we were housemates, like when I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Bachelor, right, So we lived together for

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<v Speaker 1>a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this job's nepotism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she's my child.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been We've been like the closest friends for over

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<v Speaker 1>a decade now decade, he almost a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nessa's wife, Jess, we all lived together before that.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like a married couple. And one night Jess

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<v Speaker 1>got food poisoning so bad. But I was like, is

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<v Speaker 1>she okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Opened the door up.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just like poor thing in the midst of

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<v Speaker 1>both ends dying. And she still hates me and will

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<v Speaker 1>probably hate me telling that story.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay. I love her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been seven years six She was like looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me like she was an animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, god, yeah, no one needs to see that.

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<v Speaker 5>I pictured column from Lord of the Rings.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's like it was another type of ring any

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<v Speaker 4>of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did message. So I was heaving in the

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom for a long time, and then it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>faded down a little bit and I crawled back into bed,

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<v Speaker 2>like my column, and I messaged the group and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, is anyone else scuse anyone else feel sick?

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<v Speaker 2>Message Keisha privately. He She's like, are you sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>food poisoning not something else? And I was like, Bro,

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<v Speaker 2>if you saw me right now, you would not be

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<v Speaker 2>questioning that.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing, though, is and like, you can't say

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to hate this. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>manifested fantasting. These moments, to me are coincidences. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's been two of them recently. Even someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>really into manifesting would say that that's not how manifesting works.

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<v Speaker 2>What's also I'm joking it's the anti manifest anyways.

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<v Speaker 3>Like doing bad things and bad things will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, there's got to be something in that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it a lot lately.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone who's really into manifesting, please don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it has a purpose. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the simplified version of it. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>it is like think good thoughts and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of situations. I think there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of complexities in the lives that we all live, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it is a luxury in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times to be able to prioritize manifesting. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I don't think you should have goals

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<v Speaker 1>and work towards achievements and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing I don't seem to resonate with is that

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<v Speaker 4>I often will hear people and I think it is

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<v Speaker 4>like a different type of goal set.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you've got the thing that you want written down,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe you say it, or however you actually go

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<v Speaker 4>about manifesting and then if.

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<v Speaker 2>You achieve it.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I think that if you label it as manifesting,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, are you taking it away from the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that you worked really hard towards something like you are

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<v Speaker 4>the reason that that happens. So don't put it down

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<v Speaker 4>to like some spiritual thing you made that happen for yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>And does it maybe take away from like your sense

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<v Speaker 4>of pride about that or your sense of feeling like

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<v Speaker 4>you had determination to reach a certain goal or achieve

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<v Speaker 4>something that you wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't look at manifesting like it's spiritual. I

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<v Speaker 2>look at it as a step in achieving goals. It

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<v Speaker 2>is just another step. Whether it's subconsciously, it makes people

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<v Speaker 2>chase that goal harder when you've written it down and

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<v Speaker 2>you're working towards it and you're thinking about it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, because that's a big part of manifesting, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like thinking about it, looking for it, working for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you see opportunities that you might not have seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>You take opportunities you might not have seen before, and

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<v Speaker 2>it all comes back to that idea of like really

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<v Speaker 2>putting into fruition what you want. So it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>you you sit at home and we've spoken about this

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<v Speaker 2>so much, but I believe Ben's new football job came

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<v Speaker 2>off the back of manifesting. And that's a whole another chat,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not just manifesting. But I taught him how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. It was definitely a move that was not

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<v Speaker 2>on the cards in any capacity, and we didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>was possible for a multitude of reasons. But I taught

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<v Speaker 2>him how I do it, to write it down and

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, and then off the back of that

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<v Speaker 2>he did things that he probably wouldn't have done otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's in the front of your mind. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just about another step in the road to achieving

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<v Speaker 2>a goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I guess maybe it is the difference in

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<v Speaker 1>how people describe it, Like I look at it as

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<v Speaker 1>it's a goal setting activity. I think I struggle with

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<v Speaker 1>some people who agree with me, and some people absolutely won't.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's totally fine, Like, please know that me disagreeing

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<v Speaker 1>with it is not me shitting on people's beliefs around it.

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<v Speaker 1>If it works for you, fantastic, totally. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of conversations if you've really gone down

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<v Speaker 1>the manifesting research about like raising your vibrations and like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, putting it out into the universe, And there

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<v Speaker 1>is a spirituality element to it for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is probably the side of it

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<v Speaker 1>that I struggle with.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like good mental health is important. Having all

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<v Speaker 1>of your goals set out is so important for keeping

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<v Speaker 1>it front of mind and achieving things. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>use that terminology. I don't use high vibration low vibration.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't resonate with me and with my skepticism.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all. There's also that thing I've just googled it

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<v Speaker 4>because I couldn't remember what it was actually called. It's

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<v Speaker 4>I could be mispronouncing this the beta Mainhoff phenomenon, also

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<v Speaker 4>known as the frequency illusion, and that's when you think

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<v Speaker 4>about something then suddenly you notice it everywhere totally like

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<v Speaker 4>it's a proven psychological concept.

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<v Speaker 1>This is very similar to the theories around angel numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, like I said, some of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff I do believe it, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I like find it contradictory in myself. But angel numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>if you start seeing you know one one one or

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<v Speaker 1>one one one one or whatever, that there's quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few of them.

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<v Speaker 3>They all mean different things.

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<v Speaker 1>They are meant to mean different signs, and there's this

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<v Speaker 1>belief that it is its spirits guiding you the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>showing you that you're on the right path, or trying

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<v Speaker 1>to redirect you or to reassure you. There's loads of

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<v Speaker 1>different the kind of affirmations around it. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>also something that when you become very aware of your

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<v Speaker 1>brain is wired to look for it. There's this amazing

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've done it with you guys a while back,

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<v Speaker 1>but I might even try it now. I went through

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<v Speaker 1>a really really shitty time in my early twenties, like

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<v Speaker 1>a really bad mental health space. I remember I was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at my work desk and I was just crying

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<v Speaker 1>at my laptop and my boss came over and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what's going on? Had just gone through a

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<v Speaker 1>bad breakup, but it was like a lot of my

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<v Speaker 1>mental health, I think at that age of my life

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<v Speaker 1>was revolved around my relationship, which wasn't particularly good. And

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<v Speaker 1>he took me into a boardroom and he was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I just really want you to listen to this experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>this activity, and I was very negative. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>very upset about everything that was going on in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>not just my relationship, but the flow and effect that

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<v Speaker 1>it had had in every facet of my life. And So,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're in a car, do this activity with me. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>close your eyes.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, this is fun closure.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be on a cliff walk now either.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Same, if you're somewhere safe, like in your house, in

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<v Speaker 1>your room, whatever, close your eyes. Okay, on the count

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<v Speaker 1>of three, I'm going to ask you to open your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and look around the room for every single thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you can find that is brown. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>really focus close your eyes cicature. Focus on everything that's brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Really remember the specificness of it, the textures, the colors

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<v Speaker 1>of the brown, because I'm going to ask you to

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<v Speaker 1>recite them. So you've got like three to four seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you when to close your eyes again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>open your eyes. Look for brown, brown, brown, brown, brown, brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Look around behind you, look everywhere brown. Close your eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to tell me everything that you saw

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<v Speaker 1>that was green. Keep your eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 4>The only things that I can label that are green

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<v Speaker 4>are because we're in this room consistently, and I just

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<v Speaker 4>know the things that are green. I know that parts

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<v Speaker 4>of the podcast machine and green. I know that there's

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<v Speaker 4>a plant behind me. I would not have if we

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<v Speaker 4>were in an unfamiliar room. I wouldn't be able.

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<v Speaker 3>To tell you those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you think of any one thing that's not something

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<v Speaker 1>you see every day that's green? No, Okay, open your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and then look around the room for things that

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<v Speaker 1>might be green that you wouldn't have necessarily noticed, Like

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<v Speaker 1>over there, there's a green thing on your coffee cup,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a green tape on the camera. The thing is

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<v Speaker 1>you train your brain to only see what it is

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<v Speaker 1>that you're looking for so, if you're looking for the

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<v Speaker 1>brown in your life, i e. The shit in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>you will only see that version of it. Your brain

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the capacity to focus on multiple things. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when we talk about this idea and this is

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<v Speaker 1>I guess my version of manifestation, it's retraining your brain

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on the things that are positive or are

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<v Speaker 1>good and are not saying, you know, toxic positivity, but

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<v Speaker 1>like really looking for those things, because if all you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing is brown, you will only see brown.

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<v Speaker 3>You will never see the green.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the psychology behind manifestation. It's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you've written it down and you're thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>you are looking for those things and those opportunities when

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<v Speaker 2>they present themselves that you wouldn't normally look for. If

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't front of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be so interested for anyone who actually just did

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<v Speaker 1>that activity, Like, let me know how it went, did you, Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I did it in the room that day,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked around and I recalled all these brown things,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I opened my eyes and like, right in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me was this little pop plant that had

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<v Speaker 1>been there the whole time, this plastic green pop plant,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just hadn't seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't seen anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And the more I looked around the room, the more

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, like I really had just completely

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<v Speaker 1>discarded all of those things, and it really helped me

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<v Speaker 1>to rewrite how I see things when I'm going through

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<v Speaker 1>challenging negative times in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that was a weird tangent.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even plan to talk about manifestation today, but

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<v Speaker 1>here we are.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>But then, like, just so we know, I am joking

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<v Speaker 2>when I said I manifested my your diarrhea and my

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<v Speaker 2>popping in.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that, Just to be clear, I had a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of your carbonara and I also felt a little bit sick,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why I asked you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, oh, we're food sharers. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I do want to completely like shame and

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<v Speaker 2>blame the carbon era because we did also have prosudo

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<v Speaker 2>that it could have.

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<v Speaker 3>I ate the precuido and I was fine, dam was

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<v Speaker 3>a cab and Ira girls.

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<v Speaker 2>God.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, something has been going on in my life from

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there'll be other parents out there, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>probably mums who can resonate with this. It is Easter

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<v Speaker 1>Hat Parade week.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish that we did.

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<v Speaker 5>These kind of thing for work.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember last Halloween?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to here. I just want to add a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit of novelty, Like how cute wouldn' it be if

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<v Speaker 4>we were all sitting here in at easter hat guys,

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<v Speaker 4>it would be good social content. Okay, It's like that

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<v Speaker 4>time it was Halloween and Keisha wore little little ghost

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<v Speaker 4>buns and I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't My people loved them. I didn't quite know

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<v Speaker 3>what they were.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me so long, and it was halfway through

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<v Speaker 1>the record that you were like, do their ghosts?

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought you just kind of dressed out like

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<v Speaker 3>little Lamb and the prairie for the day. And I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know what. I didn't want to Rakish.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not stopping you. If you want to come in

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<v Speaker 2>here in an easta hat.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it myself.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thirty one years old, it look like.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if there's three of us doing it, we're

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<v Speaker 2>all still thirty year.

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<v Speaker 3>Olds doing these. I'm almost forty. I have a hot

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<v Speaker 3>glue gun at home. I'm ready to go. Come on over,

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<v Speaker 3>you can rumble tonight. I would love to do arts

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<v Speaker 3>and crafts with So it's Easter hat parade we are.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go back to Kmart tonight to go

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<v Speaker 1>and get more things so that I can do Like

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<v Speaker 1>the most epic Easter hat tonight is the hot glue

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<v Speaker 1>gun night.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to make one for Lola, even though she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even have one at her preschool. And then Marley's

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<v Speaker 1>got very specific theming. I feel like the Easter hat

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<v Speaker 1>in our household is turning into the cake creation in

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<v Speaker 1>like the Hamish Blake's household.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the equivalent.

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<v Speaker 2>Who has put the specifications on Marley's the school or

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<v Speaker 2>Marley Marley.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so what is she at? The creative genius. We've

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<v Speaker 1>bought all these different toys that are getting stuck on

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<v Speaker 1>the hat. She wants green crepe paper to go around

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<v Speaker 1>it so that the bunnies look like they're sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>a field. Then she wants Easter eggs. She wants plastic ones,

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<v Speaker 1>but also real ones stuck onto the hat.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole thing is just like what do you do

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<v Speaker 3>with them afterwards?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? You sit them in the cupboard. I have like

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<v Speaker 1>a one cupboard that's just full of fucking Easter hats.

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<v Speaker 3>Last three years, I don't. I don't really do.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a business idea we could have, like no,

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<v Speaker 4>like a exchange easter hats each year.

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<v Speaker 2>Easter hatswap, yeah, because then you never have to make

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<v Speaker 2>one for your kid again. You just get one. That's

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<v Speaker 2>fuck yeah, that's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>Cycle recycle.

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<v Speaker 5>It could be like the sister of the Traveling Pants,

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<v Speaker 5>but the Easter hat.

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<v Speaker 4>And you've got to leave like a letter about your

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<v Speaker 4>experiences in the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you win the year? Priorly? Where did you place?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's competitive, Where did you play?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we want top three, but it's got to be

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<v Speaker 4>tiered because if you're a really good easter hat maker

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<v Speaker 4>and then you swat with someone who's a shit hat maker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm creative and competitive, So both of these things they

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<v Speaker 1>take seriously. But actually, the reason why I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this isn't so much about the Easter hats,

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<v Speaker 1>although I'm sure we all have very fond memories of

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<v Speaker 1>being in school and the Easter hat parade. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the duality of being a working parent and also having

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<v Speaker 1>your kids do something that they're really excited about at school.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had a moment this morning, so obviously we're

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<v Speaker 1>making the hat tonight, excited, excited, excited. The parades on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>it's at nine forty five, and I can't go because

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<v Speaker 1>I have a photo shoot for Tony Mayon that's been

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<v Speaker 1>planned for ages, long before I knew that the Easter

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<v Speaker 1>Hat parade was on, and it's all paid for it

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't cancel it.

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<v Speaker 3>I explained that to Maley and she was so upset.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, to make matters worse, Matt also has something

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<v Speaker 1>that he can't move, so she was in absolutely hysterics.

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<v Speaker 3>The solution is Nana is going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very lucky living with Ellie that Ellie steps up

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<v Speaker 1>to the plate in the instances where we're not able

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. But I think that there's this increasing

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<v Speaker 1>expectation on our generation of parenting to be available, ever present,

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<v Speaker 1>to be ever present at things that are in working hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And I try so hard, like I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>we do make it to ninety percent of them, but

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<v Speaker 1>the disappointment that they feel, and the disappointment you feel

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent when you aren't able to move work

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<v Speaker 1>things like you feel like you're not doing a good

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<v Speaker 1>job and you feel like what kind of trauma am

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<v Speaker 1>I creating in my child that I wasn't there for

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<v Speaker 1>these key moments when every other parent is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there to see their kid do something that they're

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<v Speaker 1>so excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't think every other parent is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be there. And I think it's an unrealistic expectation

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<v Speaker 2>to expect parents to be available consistently through school hours.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not the norm, and I know the expectations

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<v Speaker 2>are increasing, but I just think that we probably need

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<v Speaker 2>to take a step back from that and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what they're Most families that I know are

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<v Speaker 2>duel workers. Both parents go to work. Not everybody runs

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<v Speaker 2>their own business. Not everybody has the luxury to have

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<v Speaker 2>one parent stay home full time and still earn enough

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<v Speaker 2>to live in the economic climate they were in.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's not a luxury some families.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually financially more viable for a parent to stay

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<v Speaker 1>home and take care of their kids then put them

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<v Speaker 1>in daycare. There's so many reasons why people have the

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<v Speaker 1>setup that.

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<v Speaker 2>They have totally, but there's so many people that do

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<v Speaker 2>have to go to work as both parents, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is just like I just think to my childhood one

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<v Speaker 2>of four kids, and my parents both worked jobs that

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<v Speaker 2>meant that they had to go to work. If my

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<v Speaker 2>parents were leaving every time one of the four kids

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<v Speaker 2>has something to attend, neither of them would work, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you would be impossible, and they came to the things

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<v Speaker 2>that were really important or if they could move their

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<v Speaker 2>work around. But I turned out just fine, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it did.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the thing, though, is is with that And

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably like the big question that you ask

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent is what to find something that's really important.

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<v Speaker 1>The Easter hat parade is something that's so important to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Mollly doesn't care about sports. She's got cross country on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, I'm not running, don't come. I'm not running

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<v Speaker 1>around the school. I hate running. But an Easter happ

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<v Speaker 1>parade is something that is like deeply exciting for her.

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<v Speaker 1>But she is absolutely stoked on it, and it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that we're doing as an activity together, Like she's really

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<v Speaker 1>proud of it, and she's been talking about it for

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and so I guess in this instance, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that is important to her and normally I would

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<v Speaker 1>move mountain and earth to try and be there, but

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<v Speaker 1>this one I physically can't move like there are moments

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<v Speaker 1>where you just have such immense guilt and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I'll make it up in other ways,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a really shitty thing to try and juggle

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got to do it all.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is actually a flow and effect. Like

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<v Speaker 4>we know that we're the therapy generation. We like to

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<v Speaker 4>psychoanalyze everything. We'd like to unpack out trauma, and for

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<v Speaker 4>some people that that is real trauma. For some people

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<v Speaker 4>bullets trauma with a little tea. I think that there's

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<v Speaker 4>been this shift in the way that our behavior can be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in our romantic relationships, before we had an

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<v Speaker 4>absent parent or if we had, you know, a parent

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<v Speaker 4>that wasn't emotionally engaged with us, and we we kind

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<v Speaker 4>of know what the flow and effects of that are.

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<v Speaker 5>But also that has a scale.

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<v Speaker 4>You can have a parent that is completely emotionally absent

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<v Speaker 4>and completely physically absent, or you can have a parent

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<v Speaker 4>that's not able to go to one little thing that

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<v Speaker 4>their child is wanting them to be at because they

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<v Speaker 4>have other responsibilities or other commitments that they can't get

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<v Speaker 4>out of. And I think that we've kind of almost

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<v Speaker 4>equated them to be the same, and like the flow

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<v Speaker 4>and effects for the kid are going to be the same.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's probably why you feel guilty because you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm not able to be present for every

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<v Speaker 4>single thing that she wants me to be. Therefore, you

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<v Speaker 4>even made a joke of like, how's this going to

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<v Speaker 4>fuck her up in the future?

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>The reality is when we were growing up, our parents.

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<v Speaker 4>Missed a lot of things because it was just the

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<v Speaker 4>that was just the way it was, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>we kind of just had to accept it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess the other question is is, like, disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>is a reality of life. Obviously, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be disappointed by your parents. That's the terror to feel

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<v Speaker 1>that down by. But have we almost overcorrected in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways where we're so fearful of ever allowing our kids

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<v Speaker 1>to feel a sense of disappointment. And maybe I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>this to make myself feel better. I am probably self

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<v Speaker 1>soothing with this anyway, But like, is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>is like if it is meted and it is infrequent,

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<v Speaker 1>a level of disappointment is something that every kid has

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<v Speaker 1>to experience from a resilience perspective, because people aren't able

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<v Speaker 1>to show up for every single thing, every single time,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. I'm sure this parents will disagree with me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I get that I try to make myself feel better.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys agree with you reports on it. Kids need to

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<v Speaker 2>feel levels of independence paying discomfort. They need to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to feel emotions so they know how to correct

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<v Speaker 2>them and what to do with them. Like if we

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<v Speaker 2>are telling them how to feel all the time and

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<v Speaker 2>how to do things all the time. If a kid's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to tie his shoelace and we don't let them

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out and we just do it for them,

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<v Speaker 2>like all of these little things matter, but part of

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<v Speaker 2>life is feeling discomfort and trying to work it out

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<v Speaker 2>and disappointment. Like you, just perspective is really important, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that is what people teach their kids more because

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<v Speaker 2>there are kids that don't have families at all, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's about maybe putting things into perpective. There's kids that

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<v Speaker 2>don't go to a school that would never have an

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<v Speaker 2>Easter hat parade, or kids that don't have everroof over

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<v Speaker 2>their head, or so maybe it's just broader conversations. Having

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<v Speaker 2>said that, maybe something you could tell her is that

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<v Speaker 2>Ellie will FaceTime you or something, so without physically being there,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll watch it live. You're going to see her walking down,

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<v Speaker 2>but just from a distance, so she knows that you're

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<v Speaker 2>still watching it happen, but you're physically not there. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that is like a way to meet in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>so she knows you're watching because you'll feel that pride

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<v Speaker 2>when she's walking down in a hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say though, like thank God for excellent grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>who step up, Like that's the village, right, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>village that you need around you because it is so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to do it all when you are working full

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<v Speaker 1>time and you have kids and everything else. I'm no

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<v Speaker 1>busier than anybody else, like everyone else is juggling so

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<v Speaker 1>much as well. But when grandparents want to be grandparents

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<v Speaker 1>and they step up to the plate and they can

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<v Speaker 1>play that maternal role in a fair it's all paternal role,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's fucking wonderful. And you know I know that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like obviously, so Ellie's lived with us for like the

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<v Speaker 1>last year now almost, and at the start, so many people.

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<v Speaker 3>Were like, oh my god, living with your mother in law.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be honest, I was cautious about how it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be. You know, I was unsure that

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit and the love that those kids get because

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<v Speaker 1>they had their grandparent in the household. It's been the

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<v Speaker 1>most incredible experience. Like I love it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel very, very grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that I wanted to talk about, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>ties into the conversation we were just happening around having

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<v Speaker 1>the village around you or a sense of community. I

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<v Speaker 1>came across a substack article and I sent it in

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<v Speaker 1>the group chat because it really hit me the content

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's written by a woman, Fluorine Tideman.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a writer who contributes to Pop Sugar Murray Claire

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<v Speaker 1>and it is titled enough with the Boundaries Already Losing

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<v Speaker 1>my stepfather showed me the community we are sacrificing for

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<v Speaker 1>our so called boundaries very much. I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>we are the generation that speaks so much about boundary

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<v Speaker 1>setting and the importance of boundary setting. We're also a

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<v Speaker 1>generation that has had some of the highest rates of

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<v Speaker 1>loneliness and disconnection. I really wanted to read you some

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<v Speaker 1>of this, but before I do, just to set up

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<v Speaker 1>what this substack was about. Florine she recently lost her stepfather,

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<v Speaker 1>and she helped support her mum through his battle with

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<v Speaker 1>brain cancer, and she was there side by side caring

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<v Speaker 1>throughout his palliative care journey. And what she witnessed was

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<v Speaker 1>the incredible community that her stepfather and her mum had

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<v Speaker 1>around them during this time. Neighbors popping over to walk

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<v Speaker 1>the dog, people dropping off food, people just really showing

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<v Speaker 1>up in droves. And I guess it made her ask

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<v Speaker 1>the question as to whether that would be something that

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<v Speaker 1>she would receive if she was in this position. Has

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<v Speaker 1>she built a community and this sense of community around her?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not talking about your best friends. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your neighbors. I'm talking about people who were within

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<v Speaker 1>the same street as this couple who lived there, because

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<v Speaker 1>they had this real sense of localized community as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what she had to say about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is this conversation that has a cross comparison of generations.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote, I have amazing friends in my life. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>get me wrong. I am privileged to call such strong

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<v Speaker 1>and interesting people my friends, and they were there for

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<v Speaker 1>me throughout this time. I'm not trying to imply that

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<v Speaker 1>they are anything less than a solid support system. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to share an observation about millennials and especially

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<v Speaker 1>GenZ as someone on the cusp of both of these generations.

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<v Speaker 1>While we have close friendships, besties and more, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite have that community. We wouldn't drive each other to

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<v Speaker 1>the airport. We'd expect someone to take public transport or

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<v Speaker 1>get nubah. Why give up more time than it would

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<v Speaker 1>take them. We just don't see the sentimental touch of

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<v Speaker 1>dropping someone off or picking them up at the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>We look at the cost of our time. We prioritize

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<v Speaker 1>practicality over sentimentality. And I guess the big question I

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<v Speaker 1>had around this is definitely about community. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that we are the generation that is so obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with this sense of convenience and boundary setting over a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of collective community.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny you say that, because I had this exact

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<v Speaker 2>argument with Ben last night. So when you said the

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<v Speaker 2>airport pick up, we don't take people to the airport anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>We've missed that sentimental touch. The argument, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm having with Ben is so tomorrow I'm flying

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<v Speaker 2>to Italy. I'm playing twenty four hours. It's a big

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<v Speaker 2>flight and it's two and a half hours drive away

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<v Speaker 2>from where Ben lives. And Ben's going to drive two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half hours to Milan to the airport to

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<v Speaker 2>get me. But then the airport's an extra hour fifteen

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 2>minutes from Milan, so it is a huge effort. So

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>he's trained all day, he's doing all this, he's driving

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to Milan, and he has said, let me know exactly

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>when you're landing, and I will drive the extra hour

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<v Speaker 2>and a half to get you. And we had this

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>argument about him saying I love you, I'm going to

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>come pick you up, and me saying I love you,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to let you come and pick me up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I absolutely think that is a product of what

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<v Speaker 2>we value in this generation. And for me, I think

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>time and convenience definitely, whether it's right or wrong, definitely

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>is at the forefront of what's important to me other

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<v Speaker 2>than that sentimental touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think one of the things I really love

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>that she wrote in this was that she has the

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>privilege to call such strong and interesting people her friends.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And there is no doubt that in hard times, our

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>friends rally around us, and our friends are there for us.

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But I guess this idea of having accessibility to our

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<v Speaker 1>friends whenever we want to is something that we definitely

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have in our generation anymore. For example, if your

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>friend was just to pop over unannounced, completely unannounced on

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday, not text, I think the majority of us

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>would find that very odd, or we would find it

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<v Speaker 1>in an inconvenience. I'd find it intrusive, because almost every

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>day we've got plans, we've got things that we've organized.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>We're such a busy, hustle culture. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say of a generation, because I don't think the gen

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>z's any different to millennials. We are constantly doing things

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and constantly have plans. We are like absolutely diarized to

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the nines. So I think that for most people, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that it would be an inconvenience mostly to just

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>pop over to someone's house. But I think that that's

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>very different from generations and go when that was something

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't necessarily seen as an inconvenience. I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, a lot of people listening to

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>this podcast wouldn't even know their neighbors, wouldn't know who

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>their next or neighbor is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last night I saw there. I went down into

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>my garage to park my apartment building. And it's not

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>huge apartment building. I don't know, one to nine, maybe nine.

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And there was a girl in the downstairs that I

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<v Speaker 2>had never seen before, and she was trying to close

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the garage door and I could see you looking for

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<v Speaker 2>the button and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was like hey.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like sorry, do you know how to close the door?

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like yeah. I was like, did you just

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>move in? Like welcome? She's like no, I've been in

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>here two years. I'm upstairs. And we had never seen

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>each other. We never spoken. We introduced ourselves to each other,

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and she said we should get you up for a

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>drink sometime, and I was like, yeah, you know what

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 2>we should. And then I went inside and I was like, wow,

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>that's weird. No neighbors ever invited me over for a drink.

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it depends on where you live, obviously, Like

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>if you're in an inner city and you live in an

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.239
<v Speaker 1>apartment building, going to be different to people who live

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in suburban areas or people who do live in it.

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<v Speaker 3>There are neighborly streets.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to discredit everything I've lived in, every

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>version of it.

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 3>I know who my neighbors are.

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've lived in incredibly friendly streets, and I think COVID

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>changed that slightly. I think people who lived in maybe

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>you lived in a could a sac or you lived

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>in like a quiet street because there was nothing else

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>to do. People became friends with their neighbors during that period.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that that was like a pivot point for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. But I would still say that

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of young people don't have any idea

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>who a lot of their neighbors are.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it kind of comes down to the

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 4>convenience piece that you were talking about, and yes, if

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 4>you flip it, like the reason I don't necessarily want

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 4>to go and knock on my neighbor's doors is because

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be an inconvenience to them, Like

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to impose myself on them and force

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 4>them another part of this article.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Force them.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think it's because nothing's fixed these days. We

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>move around like whereas back in the day you might

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>live in a house for nineteen twenty years.

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>People, we are far more.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Transient in terms of how our living arrangements work, especially

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<v Speaker 1>at this period.

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<v Speaker 3>Of our lives.

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<v Speaker 4>There was another part of the article, she said, wouldn't

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 4>it be nice to know that you don't have to

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 4>arrange a pet sitter, to know that a neighbor could

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 4>come over just to water your plants and not see

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 4>it as an intrusion. We have apps for everything that

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 4>we once relied on neighbors for, and it's because it's

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 4>an exchange. I think we now don't want to feel

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 4>indebted to people. We don't want to feel as though

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 4>we're putting them out, and that they might be able

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 4>to hold well at least this is how I feel

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 4>they might be able to hold that Over me. I

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 4>would kind of in most situations, I would rather just

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 4>pay someone and have that exchange be very very clear.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it's in the convenience of that and

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 4>the lack of having to feel an emotion about that

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 4>interaction that we really have had this decline in a

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 4>sense of community.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's comparative, like I think it's very

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>hard for us to sit here and compare and say

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the community aspect has changed, because of course it's changed.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>A lot of what it comes down to is the

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>fact that our parents' generation, when you finished work, you

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>finished work, you didn't have the You did not have apps.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>You didn't take your work home. Some jobs obviously did,

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>but most people that went to a nine to five.

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>When you got home, you were at home for the afternoon,

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>your kids were playing in the front yard. When you

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>saw your neighbor's kids in the front yard, you knew

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor was home. Like it was just a different time.

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Now everyone is on a hustle. Everyone has something else

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to do, and they have access to the ability to

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>do it. Like Laura, you run your own business. You're

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>always going to be working on that. There's always something

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>for you to do at home.

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<v Speaker 1>You said something interesting for it when we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the unpacking of this concept.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 3>You said, we have community that we opt into.

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Now, if you want community, you go to the gym

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and you see your friends there, or you see the

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>people that you want a touch base with, or you

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>might go to a sporting thing or whatever. You opt

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.479
<v Speaker 1>into your sense of community. The response to that is

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>something that was written in the comment section of this

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>sub stack. And to have a village, you have to

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>be a villager. And I guess the problem with having

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the opt in communities it means that when something big

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>happens in your life. If you do go through a

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>tragedy or a death, or let's say you have a

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>baby and you're going through terrible postpartum, if you have

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>always had an opt in community around you, then they

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>don't opt in when you're in a time of need

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>because you haven't been there to support throughout the other

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>times when other people required it. They probably have their

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>own sense of community elsewhere.

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think what I mean by that is we

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 2>want community that is convenient, and when we opt into it,

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean we opt into it. It's like, hey,

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I need help now, so let me That's not what

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean. So I'll use my gym as an example

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>that I go to because I think gyms and like

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>running clubs and exercise clubs or tennis well, I think

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that they are probably the main place people go to

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>get their community in our day and age. And my

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 2>gym it's called Vertus, it's in Bondi Beach. It is

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>an amazing gym for community and I've only discovered that

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>in the last year. But what it is is everyone

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 2>goes to the gym every day, right, so the community

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>is there. It's not opt in, it's opt in that

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>you get to choose what time of the day you

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>go totally, but when you are there, and I have

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 2>seen it at this gym. This is why I'm using

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>as an example. When somebody needs something or is going

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.479
<v Speaker 2>through something, the people all the way that they turn

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 2>up for each other. It almost is cult like, but

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, these are one of our own and

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>they need this, Like let's all jump in and help them,

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>let's support them, let's raise money for this. And that

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>is when everyone does opt in because of the community.

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's not opt in like I need something, now

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 2>help me. When I say opt into your community, it'said.

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like, hey, it's six pm. I'm ready for some community.

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want my neighbor to pop over, but I'll

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 2>go to the gym and I'll meet these people. And

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>that's what I think we mean as a generation, We're

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 2>not going over to our neighbors to sit and have

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a tea anymore and form the community. We're forming it

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>on our own timeframe.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I think also, like I mean, we can talk about

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>navally versions of this, but I think religion played a

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>massive role.

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 3>People went to church, they had their church communities.

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people and a lot of

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>our generation have you know, moved away from religion. I know,

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>not everyone, obviously, but there is definitely a push towards

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>being more agnostic or even atheist.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 4>There's actually a start that we got about this. Historically,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 4>church of synagogues, mosques and temples provided a strong sense

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 4>of community, but in the twenty twenty one census, over

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 4>thirty eight percent of Australians reported that they were non

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 4>religious and that they didn't attend any of those institutions.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I think when I read this like it definitely made

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 1>me question my behavior, and not in a way where

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like I need to radically change everything so

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that I had this community around me.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>He's starting a church.

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 3>I have my own cult of Laura Burn.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess my thing is is obviously I have my husband.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I have a really like we are so close. We

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>do everything together, my husband, Matt. That sound weird, you

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>guys know exactly is I have really good girlfriends in

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the same way that this woman Fluorine describes that she

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>has really close friends around her. But I definitely am

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>someone who is guilty of prioritizing convenience over you know,

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the one who's putting my hand up to

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>run to the airport to go get someone if they

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>can get a NEWBA. You know, maybe I feel like

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>slightly guilty for that in some ways, but I think

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>it is because we stack our work schedules so heavily,

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>we stack our life schedules. We make excuses for it

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>because we've got two kids and we're parenting, and everything's

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 1>always busy all the time, that it's hard to make

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>space to be inconvenienced, I guess, and I think like

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that's something where I read this and I was like, oh,

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I am guilty of being this person. And I don't

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 1>say that as though that's an isolated thing. I think

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people would read that and go I

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>would do the same. I have friends over for dinner.

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not cooking them dinner. I'm ordering Uber Eats.

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I know that that is fine, and I know that

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>no one's judging me for ordering it. But there wasn't

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the sense of time. I didn't spend time creating something

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that was a really well thought at me, or that

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I knew my friend was gonna love.

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, come over and I ordered.

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I often opt into convenience because it suits

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>my life at the moment.

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think.

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean what you're talking about is that you prioritize

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 4>other things. And I think that that could be because

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 4>of the particular life stage that you're in, because that

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 4>was my immediate thought when I read this too, I

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 4>was like, how am I showing up as a villager.

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 4>I will actually put my head up and say, I'm

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 4>pretty good at doing the airport pick up and drop off.

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 3>I think you're a great village a case.

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>If I was out of all my friends, you're the

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>first person to go, I will do that for you.

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, but why you don't need to?

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>And I personally have a S and so I don't

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>want to inconvenience you and I and exactly what you

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>described earlier on, I don't want to be indebted to you,

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>so I will not ask for things because I don't

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>want to exploit that either.

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean I was thinking about this last night. I

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 4>so appreciate you saying that because it's something that I

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 4>really I guess I did grow up in a church,

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 4>so maybe it's actually because I had those values and

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:19.240
<v Speaker 4>like that sense.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 5>Of community was really instilled in me.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 4>My mum was incredibly social as well, so we had

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 4>family groups around us all the time growing up.

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I would just say, you're a good friend. I wouldn't

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 2>give the church that credit, to be honest, I think

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 2>you're just a good person. That's maybe you've been raised

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 2>well because you were at the church. Maybe, But I

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>think it's a.

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Value system that is like a lot of religions, This

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 4>isn't specific to the religion I grew up amongst.

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 5>I think that this is across every religion, you know.

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I know that in the.

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 4>Bible there's a lot about you know, doing things for

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 4>thy neighbor, and it's all about caring about each other

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 4>and having a moral code that you will operate under

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 4>so that you're not hurting the people around you. And

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.720
<v Speaker 4>maybe it is the fact that we've had this increase

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 4>in technology that has made us feel more connected through

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 4>the technology rather than physically connected to other people.

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of research on the fact that that's

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:04.359
<v Speaker 5>not the same.

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's a lot of research on the neurotransmitters,

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 4>the release in your brain, and they're not the same

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 4>as when you're in person physically sitting with someone. But

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 4>I also think that you develop this really deep sense

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 4>of community with people in the moments you don't expect

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 4>the gradual hanging out with each other, and you know,

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.840
<v Speaker 4>we drive to work together, and that's when I have

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 4>some of my most deep and meaningful conversations with you,

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.280
<v Speaker 4>because it's just in the accidental nature of things happening

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 4>and things coming up. And I really do think that

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 4>I've lost that in almost every other aspect of my life.

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 4>But keep you have a question for you, and I

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 4>think it comes into the conversation around boundaries. In this

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<v Speaker 4>would you define yourself as a people pleaser? I hugely

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 4>would have defined myself as a people pleaser. In fact,

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 4>I only feel as though I've been able to create

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 4>boundaries in my life in the last year to year

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 4>and a half. And I would say that since leaning

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 4>into this concept of boundaries, you say no to things

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 4>more often that I'm saying this not as a criticism.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying this as like it was an eye opener

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 4>to me.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm someone who has a lot of

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.720
<v Speaker 1>boundaries in place to preserve my time, and that's something

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>that I worked really hard on. Don't get me wrong

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>when I say like I'm not going to go out

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.399
<v Speaker 1>of my way to do X y Z. Don't please,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>don't think I'm an asshole. I also never have expected

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>anyone to go out of their way for me. It's

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 1>not a take situation. It is a completely unreciprocated like

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, I'll get a taxi.

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm fine, I'll do this.

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm so deeply independent that I don't expect anything from

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>anyone else. And I guess, like what I took from

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>this substack, and what I think is so interesting is

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that people who don't have this willing sense of like

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>strong boundaries that we've all been told we are supposed

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to have still are the people that show up in

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>this way because they're so much more open. And it's

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 1>exactly how she described herself in this first paragraph, a

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>chronic people pleaser.

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 3>They's so much more open to do things.

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>For other people for the joy of how that makes

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the other person feel.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 4>Actually, I was thinking about this last night because a

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of the whole boundary setting and that kind of thing,

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 4>if people haven't listened to Cloud. I became more aware

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 4>of it when I learned that I was masking in

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 4>a lot of situations and that perhaps the reason I

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 4>was doing those things for other people, or I was

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 4>at least offering was more so about because I didn't

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 4>want them to view me in a negative way. I

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 4>don't think I did it for the most genuine reasons.

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I did it because I was like, Hey,

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 4>this is a village, and this is what we do

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 4>for each other.

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.760
<v Speaker 5>But I read this one thing and I was like, Fuck,

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 5>that's what it is.

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 4>It's a term that researchers call crowded loneliness. So it's

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 4>the emphasis on hyperindividualization and personal boundaries that may lead

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 4>to prioritizing yourself over shared responsibility. Basically, it means that

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 4>you can be around people a lot, and you can

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 4>kind of be in these crowded environments, but you don't

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 4>actually feel a meaningful sense of connection. And I think

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 4>that that's maybe where I am now learning to put

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 4>boundaries in place in a much better way, and it's

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 4>leading to much more meaningful connection. I'm more specific with

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 4>the people that I want in my village and that

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 4>I will bend over backward for.

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 4>If that's because I realized throughout the course of time

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 4>that maybe things I would be willing to do for

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 4>other people they wouldn't be willing to do for me,

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 4>And so I've kind of started to create a little

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 4>bit more distance in those situations.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 5>That seems like a bit of a selfish way to

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 5>think about it, but not really.

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think it isn't just natural that if you

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 4>don't feel it's a two way street, you're probably going

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 4>to be like, oh, actually, if you're not going to

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 4>show up for me, I probably don't need to show

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 4>up for you as much.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, exactly, which comes back to the whole to

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:28.439
<v Speaker 1>have a village, you've got.

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 3>To be a villager.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 4>The last thing I wanted to question you guys on

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 4>is whether this is a life stage thing. Do you

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 4>think that it's fundamental shift in the way that we

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 4>now connect with each other because of technology and because

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 4>of this, you know, therapy culture that we've got, or

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 4>do you think it's just more reflective of the stage

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 4>that we're in and when we get older, we might

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 4>have more free time and therefore we will kind of

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 4>put more time and effort into community.

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to play long bowls every day when

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I like seventy.

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I hope that as my life is less busy because

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I am currently in the thick of

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>my life life, Like I can't imagine being fifty and

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>still running at this pace.

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I think I'll have a heart attack and die, do

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean?

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't imagine having little kids and running multiple

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>businesses and trying to keep a husband happy, and like

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>living with my mother in law, Like I already feel

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>like I'm so overstimulated by the requirements. And I would

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>dare say that so many people who are at our

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>phase of life feel the same. I hope that when

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm fifty or sixty and my kids are older, I

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>have time to put into these things, and maybe then

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.879
<v Speaker 1>I will have more accessibility to it. The only thing

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>is is do we become a product of what we

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>have conditioned ourself to be for so many years?

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Do we just become a product of Like Okay, well

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>now I have time, I still don't have.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 3>Community and I'm just lonely. Like is that the end goal?

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think it's a really interesting one

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>for so many people to have a think about. And

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>please go, Like I said, We're going to link it

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. The substack, so that you guys

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>can go and have your own thoughts on it as well.

0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:00.399
<v Speaker 1>But it's a really fascinating read. I have a suck

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and suitet. What is your stuck of the week?

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>My suck of the week is, and I mean I'm

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 2>a very blessed.

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Suck, but sitting and vomiting orife obviously that was it.

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>But no, we can't use that twice. I am flying

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 2>to see Ben in the morning. I'm getting picked up

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 2>at three am in the morning, so I have to

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>get up at two am, and I have not packed.

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know why I do this. I just

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>have this aversion of packing. I detest it.

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I wait just to take you to pack. Surely packing

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 3>takes like one hour.

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>No, not when you're going for a couple of weeks

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and you're taking so much. I've got to take so

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>much equipment over for the podcasting, cameras, setups, lights.

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 3>How long do you reckon it takes you to do.

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I am my last minute packer, but I will pack

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>for my entire family myself maximum. If I've got to

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 1>pack for everyone two hours maximum.

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 2>It'll take me a couple of hours for sure. And

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 2>then you've got to get your house ready. You've got

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 2>to throw everything in the fridge out. You got to

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>make sure everything is warned, and you've got your plant

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 2>food and all this stuff. Got to get Delilah out

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 2>and pack up her stuff. It's just like one of

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 2>those things that I put off to the last minute,

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and I hate it and I don't know why I

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>do it, because now I'm going home tonight to sort

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:04.399
<v Speaker 2>out my life.

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 3>I've just realized.

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 4>I know I've got Delilah, but am I also expected

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 4>to water the plants again?

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 3>If I call you can okay?

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 5>If I call over, I'm not responsible.

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>You need to stop taking responsibility because then it just

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>means that you have to replace You replaced it last time.

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 1>That's expensive. That's like that's a debt. You don't want

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to get a bargain though. That's a debt you don't want. Okay,

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 1>what's your sweep for the week?

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 2>You bok are out of water in my plants.

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>We just spoke about community. Yeah, but when did you

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 3>ever walk to put it outside in the garden? We do?

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 5>Can you put it outside in the garden.

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 3>It's been raining a fair bit. It'll be fine.

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can I guess.

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Your fiddle fee will do better underneath a tree in

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:41.919
<v Speaker 1>the garden. The water will do in your house while

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>you're gone.

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 2>They don't want it to be moved anyway. My sweet

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>is I'm seeing Ben tomorrow.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Well on that. We'll be doing a record next week.

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>So we are taking a holiday break at the end

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>of next week. But next week we'll be doing one

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.720
<v Speaker 1>record with Britain in Italy.

0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I will be coming to you from Italia.

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and with all the kabanarah and no gastro that

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you can possibly have, what is yoursf my suck for

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the week, to be honest, I don't have a suck

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>this week, and the reason for that is because the

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 1>weekend just passed. We got to go down to Ala

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Dalla and spend two nights in the house. We wanted

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to go so like, as if you're not across it.

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 1>We've been doing this renovation. I'm sure you are. We've

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>literally not talked about anything else. For me, I think

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.760
<v Speaker 1>they're across and I reckon everyone's across it. But we

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.359
<v Speaker 1>like the house is almost finished, we've started to get

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>furniture in, We've like all the appliances have been installed.

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<v Speaker 1>So we went down there on Friday, and we spent Friday, Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday down there with the girls so that we could

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<v Speaker 1>test everything out and make sure that it was like

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<v Speaker 1>Liverpool and things actually worked the way that they said

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to work, so that we can spend

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<v Speaker 1>our Easter holiday down there. So where I'm so stoked.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly it felt like a dream walking into the

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<v Speaker 1>house and seeing it finished and like seeing it so

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<v Speaker 1>so close to completion because I haven't seen it since

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<v Speaker 1>Matt was in the jungle. I went down there while

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<v Speaker 1>he was away, so it's been for me like almost

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<v Speaker 1>two months I've seen the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so and it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>The girls have their own sweet bedroom and like it's

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<v Speaker 1>all really come together. So next week I'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to update you guys properly on how that is going

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<v Speaker 1>down because we're going to be recording from.

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<v Speaker 2>All bla amazing.

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