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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and as always,

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Speaker 1: busy morning lined up for you now in the studio

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Speaker 1: today from the Northern Territory News, I've got Cam Smith,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Cam, Morning, Katy, good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show. We've also got Jared Mayley, the Deputy the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Minister, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning Katy, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And on the line this morning we've got Duran young Well,

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Speaker 1: the Opposition Deputy Leader.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Duran Ah, Good morning Katie, and

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Speaker 3: good morning to your listeners. And I'll say for Jared

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Speaker 3: and Cam in the studio, good to have you all.

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Speaker 1: On the show.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Look, starting things off slightly differently this week. We don't

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Speaker 1: usually cover off on things happening overseas, but this situation

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Speaker 1: with the Israel and Iran conflict, it continues to dominate

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Speaker 1: headlines right around the world. We know that they have

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Speaker 1: indeed got a shaky ceasefire which is holding at this point.

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Speaker 1: Now there's been much discussion as we know, and it's

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Speaker 1: really difficult to know what's going to happen next. But

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Speaker 1: the heart of the consum was indeed Iran's nuclear capabilities

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Speaker 1: and then we did indeed have a situation where where

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Speaker 1: America stepped in. We now saw a little earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week, the US expected that it's Asian allies, it's

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Speaker 1: now being reported, could also rise raise their defense spending

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Speaker 1: if European allies can do it. That's what the White

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Speaker 1: House is saying, because obviously at that NATO meeting a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week, we saw the change

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Speaker 1: when it comes to defense spending, the target of five

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Speaker 1: the discussion, while it has indeed been about this conflict

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Speaker 1: for several days now for several weeks, the discussion sort

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Speaker 1: of moving along to that defense spend right around the

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Speaker 1: world and wondering if we hear in Australia are going

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Speaker 1: to need to do more, particularly when you talk about

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Speaker 1: the Northern territory. We hear all too often about our

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Speaker 1: strategic importance and you know how close we are in

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Speaker 1: terms of our proximity to Asia. I mean, where do

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Speaker 1: we go from here? Do you think that as a

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Speaker 1: we have previously and if we are going to do

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Speaker 1: we need to step up with this spend look.

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Speaker 2: I think I'll start by saying, look, any armed conflict

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Speaker 2: is tragic no matter where it is, right across the world,

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Speaker 2: because you know, what generally, in my view happens is

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Speaker 2: do what they need to do, but you think about

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Speaker 2: the actual conflict for those people and the refugees, and

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Speaker 2: I just think we have to really ensure that we

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Speaker 2: think about those people. We know that the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 2: for example, has got a very vast multicultural community and

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Speaker 2: now people from all across the world here in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. So I put my hand out to those

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Speaker 2: people to say, look, we're here to support you. As

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Speaker 2: a government, we need to make sure we get together

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Speaker 2: as the community in rally because like I said, armed

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Speaker 2: conflict is anywhere, especially when there's a chance of nucleics

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Speaker 2: who knows what might happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you think we are reaching the point though?

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Speaker 1: As well as a country where you know where the

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Speaker 1: Albanezi government does realistically, I know he struggled to get

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Speaker 1: a meeting with Donald Trump at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: but we're the reality of it is we are going

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Speaker 1: to have to amp up that defense spending if we

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this squarely lies at the feet of

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Speaker 2: the Australian government. There's no question about that. The Australian

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Speaker 2: government's responsible for defense and defense spending across Australia. And

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Speaker 2: we know the Northern Territory's got defense up here and

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Speaker 2: it's a big part of the community, and we support

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Speaker 2: the defense into the Northern Territory. But this really lands

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Speaker 1: Cam. It's been an interesting sort of time, hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: I guess over the years, I know, particularly for you,

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Speaker 1: have I. You know, we've attended plenty of different media

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Speaker 1: Where do you think, you know, where do you think

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Speaker 4: I think you're right, Katie. I think we will obviously

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Speaker 4: have to spend more money going forward. The government doesn't

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Speaker 4: they're currying around looking I think targeting two and a half,

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Speaker 4: talking about going up a bit. They'll have to spend

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Speaker 4: more with what they spend it on. And when the

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Speaker 4: when they did actually come to announcing that the nuts

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Speaker 1: They didn't.

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Speaker 4: They didn't announce it. So, yeah, you know, there needs

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Speaker 4: to be a plan. It's all right just setting an

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Speaker 1: To have a plan for it, right, Yeah, that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to make sure that it's going to work.

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Speaker 1: To our advantage in the way in which it's it tended.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Duran, what do you make of it all.

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Speaker 1: It's a difficult situation, I guess for Anthony Albanezi at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I believe it will happen in the new future. Katie.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was unfortunate that he didn't get to

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Speaker 3: all understand the insecurities at the time that was happening

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Speaker 3: like Jared said, I think any act of war is devastating.

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Speaker 3: You see many innocent lives lost through war, and the

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Speaker 3: best approach is through those diplomatic talks and trying to

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Speaker 1: On a bit of a lighter note on this same topic,

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Speaker 1: what did we think about Donald Trump dropping the f

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Speaker 1: It was all a bit weird, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a little bit weird. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump certainly says what he thinks sometimes and obviously

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Speaker 1: He like I reckon, He actually articulated, maybe not the

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Speaker 1: Like they've been fighting for so long, you know, those

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Speaker 1: the point where we're like, come on, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: We need to to some degree for some world peace.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think world peace is definitely the key. We

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Speaker 2: There's no question, trade links and all sorts of stuff

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Speaker 2: the people who are going to suffer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look we might move along to some of

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Speaker 1: talk about the fact that there has indeed been a

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Speaker 1: reward offered. Five hundred thousand dollars has been announced for

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Speaker 1: information that leads to the discovery of Peter Falconio's body.

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Speaker 1: Bradley John Murdoch, as we know, was convicted of mister

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Speaker 1: It comes after reports that Murdoch is near his death

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Speaker 1: palliative care. It really was and continues to be a

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Speaker 1: the Falconio family obviously wanting to know where his body is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly something that we're all hoping that

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Speaker 1: I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: WELLOK, I hope he does come out and tell what

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Speaker 2: he knows about this case, because it is over twenty

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Speaker 2: I understand the police of going seeing wose in hospital.

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Speaker 2: So look, I do put my peel out if you

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Speaker 2: There is five hundred thousand dollars on the table now,

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Speaker 2: so come up because it will provide some closure for

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Speaker 1: Do you wonder whether he's told anybody, like any information

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Speaker 5: I don't I family members.

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Speaker 4: There was a suggestion that family members might have been

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Speaker 4: in fact he told any of his family members. So yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: I haven't obvious you haven't said anything yet it's been

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, I mean, Dran, you certainly hope that that

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Speaker 1: some closure here, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And this is a welcoming announcement made by

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Speaker 3: the police to increase that reward that may lead to

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Speaker 3: the discovery of his body. But I do want to

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Speaker 3: must just be so stressful and distressing over the last

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Speaker 3: twenty years. Yeah, you think about that every day and

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Speaker 3: not having any closure to this.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to be catching up with Colleen

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Speaker 1: continue that discussion, but let's take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you have just

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Speaker 1: joined us, it is indeed the week that was. And

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Speaker 1: on the phone line this morning with the Deputy Opposition

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Speaker 1: Leader Duran Young. We've also got the Deputy Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley and from the Northern Territory News Cam Smith. Now,

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Speaker 1: as I said, there's been a lot to cover off

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Speaker 1: on this week and yesterday or the day before, we

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Speaker 1: learned that the government will you announce this back in March,

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Speaker 1: but the Colp government announcing that, in their words, going

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Speaker 1: to responsibly increase regulated electricity prices by three percent effective

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Speaker 1: from Territory Day the first of July. They say, benefiting

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Speaker 1: around eighty five thousand households and small to medium businesses. Now,

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Speaker 1: what it's going to mean is that those power prices

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Speaker 1: are obviously going up by three percent in the first instance.

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Speaker 1: But then these reforms are going to roll out in

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Speaker 1: point sixty six cents per kilowatt hour for energy exported

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's exactly right, Katie. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll see power especially people that live in

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Speaker 1: Sorts of reasons why you're like, you know, why your

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Speaker 1: So it remains to be seen. The second phase what

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Speaker 2: No, Look, Katie, I understand what you're saying, but that

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Speaker 2: this is about being responsible. We know that we've come

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Speaker 2: You know, we're in eleven billion dollars worth of debt.

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Speaker 2: And there's also the Community Service Obligation, which is a

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Speaker 2: why should people who aren't using it which're trying to

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Speaker 2: Durham's talking about people got horses, well, I've got horses.

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Speaker 2: They don't use power to start with, so I don't

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Speaker 1: It's gonna hit people though, Like I know, I know

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Speaker 1: when you say three percent, I thought it was meant

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Speaker 1: I certainly understand there needs to be investment into that

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Speaker 1: wonder what kind of hit it's going to have on

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Speaker 2: That's how we're trying to balance and get this as

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Speaker 4: Power increase your edicati was obviously enormously unpopular and this

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Speaker 4: That's an enormous contribution by tax payers to keeping our

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Speaker 1: So we're kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Is

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Speaker 4: Can look, there is a little bit of that, but

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Speaker 2: Be yeah, astronomical, I think fifty percent high and we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the other aspects of that release is just

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Speaker 5: Those other tariff charges that they outline.

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Speaker 1: One of the other things people always raise with us

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Speaker 2: Because that's the peak hours that people are using electricity.

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Speaker 2: So what we're offering is a discount if you go

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Speaker 2: about eight cents per killer. What So what we're offering

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Speaker 1: You someone's just messaged in and said, morning, Katie, these

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Speaker 2: Look, that was always our commitment to raise that tariff

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Speaker 1: All right, we might take a very quick break. You

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was still plenty to cover

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is a really good news story. I

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Speaker 5: So we were out.

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Speaker 2: There yesterday and they were out there with the Hallie

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Speaker 1: So how far off are we from seeing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Very excitingly, I think we're going to see it by

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Speaker 1: So what would happen if it wasn't coming online by

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got these massive gas reserves.

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Speaker 2: There's no gas coming out of the ground into the pipelines.

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Speaker 2: So it's great to have, you know, two hundred years

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Speaker 2: of gas sitting in the Baterloo, but we need to

439
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Speaker 2: get it out of the ground into a pipeline into

440
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Speaker 2: a market. We know the market's here and dah, we

441
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Speaker 2: know the markets here in the East Coast. And these

442
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Speaker 2: companies have been working over ten years to be able

443
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Speaker 2: to get their gas out of the ground. And good

444
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Speaker 2: news is that the two major players are there, which

445
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Speaker 2: is Tamboraan and Beaterloo Energy, now have got their wills done,

446
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: they had their worlds fracked, they're getting pipelines, they're getting

447
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Speaker 2: compression plants. So it's happening. Momentum is building, and it's

448
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: going to be a great news story because it allows

449
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Speaker 2: us to keep the lights on.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm always a bit cautious when I have a

451
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Speaker 1: minister telling me something's a great news story. Several times

452
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm ever the skeptic d Rahm. What

453
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Speaker 1: do you make of it, mate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I'm not across those details at the extent

455
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Speaker 3: that the ministers are. Yeah, so he's obviously put that

456
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Speaker 3: announcement forward, so we'll see what comes of it in

457
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Speaker 3: the next few weeks came you.

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Speaker 1: Were out there yesterday. I mean, was it as rosy

459
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Speaker 1: as the minister sees?

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Speaker 4: It was all action, Katie. There was twenty two or

461
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two thousand horsepower pumps doing the actual the

462
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Speaker 4: hydraulic fracturing, the horizontal fracturing there.

463
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Speaker 5: They're never all coming from Rome and they're only here

464
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Speaker 5: for a few weeks.

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Speaker 4: The ambition is eventually perhaps to have some of those

466
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Speaker 4: pumps on site permanently so they can drill new wells

467
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Speaker 4: as required. But what will come out of this now

468
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Speaker 4: there will be appraisals of the of the carpentery of

469
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Speaker 4: five well. They believe it's of a very high standard.

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Speaker 4: And again, as the Minister said it, it'll be eventually

471
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Speaker 4: be piped here into Darwin. But you know, it's been

472
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Speaker 4: an eight year process for Empire Energy. They you know,

473
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Speaker 4: they're not complaining about it, and you know, I've been

474
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Speaker 4: a reporter who has complained about it quite a bit.

475
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Speaker 4: These long delays that seemed unnecessary when we know we're

476
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Speaker 4: getting the last dregs of gas out of the Bay

477
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Speaker 4: Wounden basin, or or relying on diesel but that eight

478
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Speaker 4: year process, what it does appear to have done. I

479
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Speaker 4: think he's given a little bit of a social license.

480
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Speaker 4: I don't hear too many protests around tracking from you know,

481
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Speaker 4: regular territories anymore. There's still they're still at Cohort obviously.

482
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Speaker 5: Who opposed to the process definitely, But I.

483
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Speaker 4: Think the economic development benefits are far far out weigh

484
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Speaker 4: any of the environmental side effects that come from this,

485
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Speaker 4: which which have been downplayed by a number of organizations,

486
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Speaker 4: including cry SO.

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Speaker 1: Potentially as early as the end of this year, Minister.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what they were talking about yesterday, and I

489
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Speaker 2: really do hope so be that it's going to be

490
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Speaker 2: able to provide that first gas market. Will be a

491
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Speaker 2: big shot in the arm for all those gas producers

492
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Speaker 2: in the Bloo, because it's going to give some certainty

493
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Speaker 2: to the investors who are looking at They're watching to

494
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Speaker 2: see is it working, how's it going, and when these

495
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Speaker 2: companies can be able to say, yes, we've got gas

496
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Speaker 2: out of the ground, it's in the pipeline, and we've

497
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Speaker 2: got a market and we're selling it. Because once it

498
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Speaker 2: gets into that North South pipeline, it can come to

499
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Speaker 2: darn and it can also go to the East Coast,

500
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Speaker 2: and we know that the East Coast has got a

501
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Speaker 2: gas I'm sure, yeah, they do. So it's going to

502
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Speaker 2: be able to give an added bonus to those companies.

503
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Speaker 2: And not only the gas companies code, it's the downstream

504
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Speaker 2: in the indirect people who benefit from the people in

505
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Speaker 2: the local shops, that the truck drivers, the people who

506
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Speaker 2: are supplying the cleaning products and mechanics, all those sorts

507
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Speaker 2: of people. And I'm really looking forward to this kicking off.

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Speaker 4: And the support by the traditional owners is significant because

509
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Speaker 4: a number of those were opponents of the project.

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Speaker 1: Right and now they've turned around, turned around.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've seen seen the economic benefits and the same.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Yeah, that is really interesting. Well, look,

513
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Speaker 1: we are going to move ahead, and I guess we've

514
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Speaker 1: spoken so much about the economy in recent years. There's

515
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And one of the reasons that

516
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Speaker 1: we've heard time and time again, of course from the

517
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government and of course, well the current Northern

518
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Speaker 1: Territory government, I should say, when they're in opposition, is

519
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Speaker 1: you know how you're going to get the economy moving

520
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Speaker 1: when you're still dealing with some of the social issues

521
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Speaker 1: that we've got in the NT and just yesterday, well

522
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Speaker 1: we've we reported on the show the day prior about

523
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Speaker 1: an event that was going to be happening called take

524
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Speaker 1: Back the Track in Alice Springs. Now it was happening

525
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Speaker 1: because a number of women had been targeted by a

526
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Speaker 1: teenager or well, the Northern Territory Police releasing information that

527
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Speaker 1: a teenager had indecently assaulted a number of women along

528
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Speaker 1: the Todd River while out exercising. So as a result,

529
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Speaker 1: running groups got together to hold an event to take

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Speaker 1: back the Track. Now, while they were holding that event

531
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, essentially six women were then indecently assaulted. I mean,

532
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Speaker 1: it's quite unbelievable to think that while women men Territorians

533
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Speaker 1: are out trying to take back the Track and saying

534
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Speaker 1: that they're standing up to people doing the wrong thing,

535
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Speaker 1: end up with this group of teenagers allegedly indecently assaulting

536
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Speaker 1: these women. It's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, look this is deeply disturbing. So these women

538
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Speaker 2: are out holding an event and yet they were become

539
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Speaker 2: a victim of crime whilst on an event, and it's

540
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Speaker 2: just unacceptable and enough's enough. In relation to that, we

541
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Speaker 2: know that there's been a lot of talk about crime

542
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Speaker 2: and where we're working hard to fixate and we know

543
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Speaker 2: that this is a big job and we are not

544
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Speaker 2: going to stop with the work we've done with Chris Bayer.

545
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Speaker 2: We've supported the police, we've supported the courts, we've supported corrections.

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Speaker 2: But our work is not done yet. Katie Wigan, but if.

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Speaker 1: You guys haven't just spoken about it, you've really said that,

548
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Speaker 1: you know, House in Northern terror when you're in opposition,

549
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: House in Northern Territory meant to move forward when we're

550
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: being constrained by these social and crime issues and unfortunately

551
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Speaker 1: they're continuing to burden us. I think is the only

552
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Speaker 1: way to put it.

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Speaker 2: And Katie, I can tell you listeners that we are

554
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Speaker 2: going to continue to work hard and we have to

555
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Speaker 2: change the law. We have to change policy. We're going

556
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Speaker 2: to do that. We've started, we've continued to work and

557
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Speaker 2: we're going to keep working at it. This is a

558
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Speaker 2: big ship to turn around. We know that we're in

559
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: a hell of a mess of nine months ago, with

560
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: crime right across the Northern Territory and bad news stories

561
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Speaker 2: getting right across the world. We are trying hard and

562
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Speaker 2: we're working hard, and people are telling me, Katie that

563
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Speaker 2: things are turning around and there is some good news stories,

564
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Speaker 2: but I certainly can see we've got a long way

565
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Speaker 2: to go and we're up to the task and we're

566
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Speaker 2: going to keep working hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Doran, it was disgusting to learn that this

568
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Speaker 1: had happened over the last sort of forty eight hours,

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Speaker 1: these women there to take back the Track, and it

570
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Speaker 1: was anything but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right, Katie, is completely inappropriate and disturbing

572
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Speaker 3: what's happening down in our springs, and that those incidents

573
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Speaker 3: that happened to the women who were taking part in

574
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Speaker 3: take Back the Track walk, and I think you know

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Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's obviously just disturbing and disgusting what has happened,

576
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Speaker 3: but it's also I think a reflection on how the

577
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Speaker 3: public are feeling at the moment. I'm getting many territories

578
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Speaker 3: coming up to me speaking about how they don't feel

579
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Speaker 3: safe in public or at work or even like we mentioned,

580
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Speaker 3: going exercising, like people down in other springs, we're having

581
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Speaker 3: that peaceful protest around.

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Speaker 7: So it's pretty disturbing and I think.

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Speaker 3: You know that the latest data stat's back that up.

584
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Speaker 3: How people are.

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Speaker 7: Feeling that they are feeling safe. We've seen and increase

586
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Speaker 7: in assaults up by eleven percent, sexual offenses up by

587
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Speaker 7: eighteen percent, and offenses against the person's by six percent.

588
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Speaker 7: So you know, we do question what the government are

589
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Speaker 7: actually doing. We've seen them in government now.

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Speaker 6: For over nine months, implemented a number of the number

591
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Speaker 6: of pieces of legislation saying that you will be safer,

592
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Speaker 6: but unfortunately people aren't feeling safe with the new government.

593
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Speaker 6: That was their election commitment coming in saying that they

594
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Speaker 6: would reduce crime, and they haven't reduced crime within the stats.

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Speaker 6: Don't lie when we speak about that cam.

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Speaker 1: It's something you and I have reported on so much, honestly,

597
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Speaker 1: over the last sort of ten years that I've been

598
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Speaker 1: doing this show. You know, it's a very rare day

599
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Speaker 1: when I get on air and I'm not talking about

600
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Speaker 1: some kind of serious issue with crime. I guess I

601
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Speaker 1: always find it really disturbing, you know, when you think

602
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Speaker 1: of somebody, you know, when you think of a woman

603
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Speaker 1: out trying to do normal daily activities and being targeted.

604
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Speaker 1: But you know, over the years, we've seen seniors targeted,

605
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Speaker 1: We've seen elderly women targeted, We've seen elderly men targeted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on.

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Speaker 4: Look, Katie, I tend to take the territory government is

608
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Speaker 4: really limited in what it can do beyond the actually.

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Speaker 5: Carceration, imprisonment justice phase.

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Speaker 4: You know, the issues stem from underfunding in the territory

611
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Speaker 4: by the Commonwealth over a long long period.

612
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Speaker 5: That's in the communities. Largely.

613
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Speaker 4: Communities to me are the source of a lot of

614
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: the social issues that we have here in the people

615
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: who come in from the communities. I don't know what

616
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Speaker 4: the situation was in Allie Springs, whether that was organized,

617
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Speaker 4: whether that was even something more broadly misogynous than you know,

618
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: just random attacks, but you know there's issues. The issues

619
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Speaker 4: in the communities need to be addressed by the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 4: They've they've left the communities to be the Northern territories problem,

621
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Speaker 4: and they shouldn't be because the Northern Territory is not

622
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Speaker 4: capable financially of funding the communities and sorting out those

623
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Speaker 4: enormous social issues that exist in the communities. That's where

624
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Speaker 4: the Commonwealth needs to step in and step up.

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Speaker 5: They don't. They haven't for.

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Speaker 4: Fifty years since the referendum of sixty years since a

627
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Speaker 4: referendum that gave Aboriginal policy to the Commonwealth. There's nothing

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Speaker 4: to suggest that they'll do it now. But that's the

629
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Speaker 4: only way that these social issues are really going to

630
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Speaker 4: be going to be stopped by the Commonwealth making a

631
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Speaker 4: dead set commitment financial and resource commitment to the Northern territory.

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Speaker 1: I mean, durand do you tend to agree with that?

633
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Speaker 1: Does they need to be a greater resource commitment here?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I think all levels of government need to

635
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: be working together, from local government to the territory of

636
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Speaker 3: government to the Commonwealth government. They each layer of government

637
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Speaker 3: play a part in this. But again, what we have

638
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Speaker 3: seen from the territory CLP government is coming in on

639
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Speaker 3: a platform saying they would fix crime. They haven't been

640
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Speaker 3: able to do that. The stats have gone up since

641
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: we have seen no investment into Aboriginal communities from this

642
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Speaker 3: CLP government. They're talking about tough on crime and locking

643
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Speaker 3: as many people up as possible, but the actually don't

644
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Speaker 3: have a plan to address the root causes. And I

645
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 3: know many people that I speak to talking about that, well,

646
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: what is the plan to address some of those root causes?

647
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Speaker 3: And I know we talk about generational change, but there

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: are some things that are working and will take time,

649
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Speaker 3: like local decision making agreements that have been into that

650
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Speaker 3: have been governments have worked with communities to get those

651
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Speaker 3: up and running at the aspirations of what the community

652
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Speaker 3: want in their community. But that takes time and then

653
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Speaker 3: to walk away from that. A lot of people that

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Speaker 3: I speak to with those agreements in place are highly,

655
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: highly disappointed because they can see the effect and the

656
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: impact that that's having over time.

657
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Speaker 1: A few messages coming through this morning. I mean, I've

658
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: got one here that says, Katie, what is happening with

659
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: these bush camps and the judiciary needs to be answerable.

660
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: Somebody else's message through and said that the land councils

661
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: need to step up as well. You know, I guess

662
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: again I will say, because I think we've got a

663
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: situation at the moment with both sides of politics. I mean, Jared,

664
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Speaker 1: I know that you will say that obviously. You know

665
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: you're trying to try and to help the community after

666
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: eight years of failure by the Labor government. I know

667
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: that the Labor government is now saying, well of the

668
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Labor opposition, I should say, is now saying the COLP

669
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: government's been in for nearly, well it's not quite a year.

670
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: It's however many months and the changes that you're implementing

671
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: aren't making a difference. But all the while, you know,

672
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: what the Northern Territory people want is to try and

673
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: get this issue under control so that we can live

674
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: our lives. We can go for a run, we don't

675
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: have to worry about our businesses being broken into. I

676
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: mean last weekend there was a situation where two people

677
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: had to lock themselves in their room in Palmerston while

678
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: a group of teenagers got in and forced their way

679
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: into that bedroom with a machete, backing through the door

680
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: with a machete allegedly. You know, so, I guess we're

681
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: at the point where we can we can blame each other,

682
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: we can blame everybody, but it needs to get sorted.

683
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: But look, welcome, this is our responsibility. And it's a

684
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: bit rich for Durand to say, you know, we don't

685
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: have a plan. Clearly we've got a plan and I

686
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: could talk to you for hours about the plant. For example,

687
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: the Community Government, Steve Edgitton, the Minister for Community Government,

688
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: has got a plan to break down these super super

689
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: shy is that the Labor Government brought in which haven't

690
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: been welcomed by the communities, and to give these communities

691
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: empowered back, to be able to make decisions, to give

692
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: work into their own communities, to make those people in

693
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: the communities have a purpose. So that's that's a load

694
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: of working happening because well, exactly nine months and I'm

695
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: not I'm not the previous labor government who just ran

696
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: by media release and made these un funded and unthought

697
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: about programs. We are thinking about it. We're going to

698
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: get it right, but we are going to make sure

699
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: that we empower these communities. We're going to put one

700
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: point four billion dollars into the court system, the police

701
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: system and the correction system, because we know we need

702
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: to break the cycle of offending. We've got the courts

703
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: both stretched there full. So this all relates back to

704
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: previous governments not funding it correctly, having a world of

705
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: heard out there for people not feeling safe. So we're

706
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: working on a plan. It's a big ship to turn around.

707
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: And you can cherry pick some of these crime stats,

708
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: but you look at those crime stats, Cuddy, property fences

709
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: are going down, and Katie, just imagine if we didn't

710
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: do what we've done over the last nine months, we

711
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: just bail corrections and police. Where would be now in

712
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: relation to the crime stats, I would say the crime

713
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: stats be going through the roof and people feeling more

714
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: unsafe one.

715
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Speaker 1: Area where we do seem to be struggling a bit

716
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Speaker 1: at the moment. And you touched on this and we

717
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: caught up with Beth Wilde a little earlier in the

718
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Speaker 1: week from the Criminal Lawyers Association. We know that there

719
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: has been a massive spike in custody numbers in the

720
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory, delaying matters in court, lawyers apparently queuing up

721
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: to see clients, the Criminal Lawyers Association saying it is

722
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: to mostly due to the colp's tough on crime reforms.

723
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: So I think that you'll probably find a lot of

724
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: people in the community go, well, do you know what.

725
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: Hopefully these reforms are making a difference. However, you know

726
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: we are in a situation where some people are getting

727
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: lost in the system, waiting days in watchhouses before going

728
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: before a judge. Now, Bethwilde says, there's some easy solutions.

729
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: Some of those are simply longer sitting days and two

730
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: courts being stood up in the afternoon. So I mean Jared,

731
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: is that something that we should be looking at doing

732
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: quite quickly so that you know we're able to get

733
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: through some of these cases sooner.

734
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Speaker 2: Look, I know that the Churney General Marketby has been

735
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: talking to Michael Grant, the Chief Judge, about reforming the

736
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: court system. So she is taking those steps and she's

737
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: working with the court to be able to make the

738
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: courts work longer. But it's about funding and we know

739
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: the previous over government didn't fund the court properly.

740
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Speaker 1: It would have cost a lot of money to have

741
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: the court sitting for that extra period of time each day.

742
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: It will because going to have to have new judges

743
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: and more judges, and we know that they are very

744
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: highly educated people and they get paid appropriately for that.

745
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: And as well as that, the staff that work we

746
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: need to have support staff, Legal aid need to work longer,

747
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: nage will need to work longer. So there are options

748
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: we're looking at and we're certainly talking to the courts

749
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Speaker 2: about that.

750
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Speaker 1: But responsibility, Yeah, well what you reckon they could speed

751
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: things along?

752
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: Well, Look, we know that they've stopped there after our

753
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: bail reviews on the phone. Why we have to ask

754
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: the court that.

755
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: With us they don't you know, we never can. This

756
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: is the problem right with the court system is is

757
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: you never can. So some of those different things that

758
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: you know that you've just touched on, we as journalists

759
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: are not really in a situation where we can put

760
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: those questions to that.

761
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: Well, I know that the Chin General has been speaking

762
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: to Michael Grand about that, and we're working hard to

763
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: try and get fixed. But this is not an easy

764
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: ship to turn around quickly. And what we're focused on

765
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: is keeping the community, say, rebuilding economy, restoring our life.

766
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Speaker 1: Well, look for me, i'd go back to you know

767
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: what I was saying before when you talk about crime,

768
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Speaker 1: is that my my major concern is that you know,

769
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: you want Territorians to be able to flourish living here

770
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: wherever you come from, no matter what you do, you

771
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: know what your background is. But you also want a

772
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: situation where if you are a victim of crime, you're

773
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Speaker 1: not waiting, you know, a year years to hear the

774
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: outcome of a of you know, of an offense that's

775
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: that's been committed against you well or whether somebody is

776
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: actually going to you know, to serve any time in

777
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: jail or whatever that outcome might be. You know, so

778
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: ultimately speeding up the court process. Yes, it is about

779
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: giving people a fair go as well in a fair trial,

780
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: but you want to make sure that that court process

781
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: is sped up so that victims can get some justice.

782
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: I agree completely, and that's one of the reasons why

783
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: the cop have put on twenty permanent DPP staff. We

784
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: funded Legal Aid. We know that when we come in

785
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: the government there was the Legal Aid Commission weren't appearing

786
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: and defending some of these people because they are saying

787
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: they had lack of funding. And I remember some cases

788
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: where it matters we'rejourn and people put on bail because

789
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: there was no representation available because Legal A was saying

790
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: we didn't have the funding. So we've come into office

791
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: and Mary Cleave Boothmy has done a great job. Funded

792
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Legal Aid, we funded DPP, we're working with the courts.

793
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: But again this is a mammoth failure by the previous government.

794
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: We're fixing it bit by bit and nine months is

795
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: going to take some time to turn around, and we're

796
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: working hard and things are getting better into communicating in my.

797
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: View, darn.

798
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: That the Deputy Chief Minister continues to go back and

799
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: blame the previous labor government. I mean, the warning signs

800
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: were given by many experts in the field around within

801
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: the justice systems with all the reforms that the CLP

802
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: government have legislated in terms of the pressures that that

803
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: would put on our justice system, the delays that that

804
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: would cause in terms of ensuring that the victims of

805
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 3: those crimes get justice as well. And find out that

806
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: we know that we're seeing a delay for people to

807
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: get through the courts because our prisons are overflowing. And

808
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: I understand that people you know, they you know, all

809
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: that's great, we're locking more people up, but it's not

810
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: actually making our community any safer. And the data and

811
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: the stats proved to that, which I spoke about earlier

812
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: in the show. So there just shows there's actually been

813
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: no plan from the CILP government about well, okay, we're

814
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: going to we're going to legislate certain policies around that

815
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: they're tough on crime stance, but they haven't actually thought

816
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: about the implications that have on our court systems and

817
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: what that means for the territory in terms of keeping

818
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: people safe. Because it hasn't kept people all.

819
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: Right, John, Look, what's an alternative to cracking down and crime.

820
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: We've put six hundred people in prison. That means six

821
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: hundred people out there not communic offenses. So what's an alternative?

822
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: Are you saying that these people out in the give us,

823
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: give us an alternative? Give don't you talk about it? Alternative?

824
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Said you personally just said before that you feel safer. Personally,

825
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm talking to Territorians every day who don't feel any safer,

826
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: who feel that crime hasn't gone down. What we have

827
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: seen in the data itself that offenses have gone up,

828
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: like sexual offenses have gone up by more than eighteen percent,

829
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: assaults are up by eleven percent.

830
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: What can we do? What would you do?

831
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: What you came into government being saying that you would

832
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: make this community safer.

833
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Let cam have a go.

834
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Speaker 5: No alternatives. Why don't you two guys get to do that.

835
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 5: God of the common Wealth.

836
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: Some more money.

837
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Speaker 3: We stop trying to divert because you're in government, you're

838
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: the deputy Chief Minister, and you need to start taking

839
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: some responsibility and stop blaming everyone else because there's people

840
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: in the community that are feeling are the hurt that

841
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: you are causing because you have not no plan to

842
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: make the community any safer.

843
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: Clearly you've got no alternatives.

844
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very quick break.

845
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

846
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: It is the week that was. We've just about run

847
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: out of time. There's been a lot to discuss this morning.

848
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: But look before I let you all go. Territory Day

849
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: of course early next week. We're worried for a bit

850
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: there whether the fireworks are going to be able to

851
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: get through after Queensland and New South Wales tried to

852
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: stop us. But they're here, aren't they, Jared?

853
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you have to thank Leaf for this. She

854
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: put she put the ball on and ran the ball

855
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: up hard because she made He's a phone call to

856
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: try and make you it because Charitory Day for me

857
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: is about family, it's about friend It's about blowing.

858
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 5: Stuff it up.

859
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: You can say it here, Oh.

860
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: Cam, what about you? You're going to be letting off

861
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: some fireworks.

862
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: I only blew up a few kids over the Katie,

863
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: so I won't, won't. Someone was across the board. I'll

864
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 4: be watching it for not long about it? I love you?

865
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: Is that there's a peter about three or four hours

866
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 4: when barely a second goes by and there's not a babe.

867
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Speaker 1: Yeah goes pretty full on, doesn't it.

868
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty going to make sure I got horses and dogs,

869
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: so way look after the animals. I put my dog

870
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: in the house and put my horse in the stable.

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Speaker 2: I'll put a radio so the radio background noise and

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Speaker 2: so it's really important that we keep the animals.

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Speaker 1: Put it on a Katie Wolf podcast for the animal

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Speaker 1: saddles down, replay the week that was for to run.

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Speaker 1: What are you up to for Territory Day?

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 3: I'm too sure you haven't got any plans, but obviously

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Speaker 3: you know I'm still a bit traumatized, probably similar to

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Speaker 3: cam and letting us fireworks and one fell over and

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Speaker 3: the family. So I don't touch them anymore.

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Speaker 1: You always do on Territory Day. You're all you're a

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Speaker 1: bit reckless.

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Speaker 2: Don't come to my house.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind walking around and watching them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Well look, I'm a big

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Speaker 1: safety sam at our house. I'm certainly I'm not the

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Speaker 1: adventurous one. I'll leave that for others in my family.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Camsmith from the Northern Territory, good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayleie, the Deputy Chief Minister, thank you for your

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Speaker 1: sh for your time on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, and thank you to your listeners. And

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Speaker 2: be safe for fire crackers day. Look up the animal absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Duran Young, the Deputy Opposition Leader, thank you for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and I will put a little pitch out

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Speaker 3: if anyone's around and got time On Saturday. The gold

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Speaker 3: Rush Festival is on down at Pine Creek, So if

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Speaker 3: you've got time to come down Saturday morning, I would

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Speaker 3: love to see you down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it's going to be wonderful. We

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Speaker 1: interviewed Gay, one of the organizers yesterday. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: it'll be a cracking event. Thank you all so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Have a lovely weekend and

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Speaker 1: a wonderful Territory day. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: O four nine's three point sixty