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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: Independent Member for Goidter, Kezia Puric.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Kezier, Good morning Katie, Good morning Kesier.

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Speaker 1: Interesting week, it has been an incredibly interesting week. Now,

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Speaker 1: just firstly I want to ask you about this situation

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Speaker 1: now with this petition. So basically more than twenty three

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Speaker 1: thousand people have now signed this petition and as it

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Speaker 1: currently sits, I'll just take you to the exact number,

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Speaker 1: so it's twenty three, five hundred and twenty people have

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Speaker 1: signed that petition Justice for Decklan Lavity.

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Speaker 2: Action against Crime in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Now as it currently stands, my understanding is that the

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Speaker 1: Public Accounts Committee at midday today is now going to

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Speaker 1: determine whether that petition is allowed to be debated in

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Speaker 1: the Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Would it be at next sittings?

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Speaker 3: From your understanding, yes, And it's not much allowed, it's

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Speaker 3: just that it should be debated. Yeah. I did listen

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Speaker 3: to Minister Pate talk about how it's nothing to do

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Speaker 3: the Public Accounts Committee, of which there are three Labor

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Speaker 3: members on it. Let's not beat around the bullsh Chancey,

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Speaker 3: your government your hawkers will direct those members how they

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Speaker 3: should vote, like you know, don't take the public for fools, Minister.

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Speaker 3: You will direct those three members how they should vote.

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Speaker 3: And I pretty much can guarantee, Katie, that they will

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Speaker 3: not want that petition debated in Parliament now.

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Speaker 2: But you know why easier because you think to yourself, if.

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Speaker 1: You're so confident, like if they're so bloody confident in

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Speaker 1: the actions they're taking, I'm sorry to cut you off.

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Speaker 2: If they're so confident in what they're.

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Speaker 1: Doing and that what they're doing is the right thing,

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Speaker 1: why not bloody well debate.

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Speaker 3: It well, Katie. As you said, it's bigger than the

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Speaker 3: too petition of some some decades ago, which had about

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Speaker 3: twenty thousand. It is clearly a high level interest area

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Speaker 3: of the community now in Parliament only this week Minister

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Speaker 3: small debate, it's not a big debate, it's only a

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Speaker 3: type of thing. He is just hypocritical because on one

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Speaker 3: clearly isn't something they want to talk about. So this

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Speaker 3: the police inquiry. So come on, Labor government, you know

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Speaker 1: Got to be prepared to hear, you know, the opposing

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Speaker 2: Now, this can't be ignored in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: When you've got twenty three thousand people that have signed something,

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Speaker 1: It was when people were opposed to the sale of

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Speaker 3: Former Labor government when Paul Henderson was the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 3: And I recall it was an individual woman who started

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Speaker 3: And from her initial work it just spread like wildfire

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Speaker 3: it will and she should next sittings, I will bring

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Speaker 3: that petition. So that's good good shut down. The members

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to hear that. Yeah, it's the need to listen.

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Speaker 3: this legislation. Again, Minister Warden, when she was questioned by

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Speaker 2: Of the knights.

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Speaker 3: So in other words, it will go back to the

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Speaker 2: Correct, Key sir.

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Speaker 1: It has been a really interesting week and I think

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Speaker 3: No, you're quite correct, Katie. They have not read the

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Speaker 3: anti general election is twelve months away. That's not long

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Speaker 3: the legislation that passes in parlor and debated is very

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Speaker 3: sounded very good for all of us, Yeah, they are

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Speaker 3: and the other independents, we only got the wanding legislation

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Speaker 3: the day it was being debated. Yeah, I had no

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Speaker 1: Which I think they need to get better with stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, Casier. Before I let you go, I know

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Speaker 1: that there was also a bill that was passed overnight.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, it's about decisions being made for

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Speaker 1: important decisions, as we know, do need to be made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually, that is good. It is something that people

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Speaker 3: What it's about is people understand a will. You make

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Speaker 1: if so, if they want a bit further information, is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just just put into the search engine Advanced Personal

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Speaker 3: Plan Northern Territory and you'll it'll come up with a template,

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Speaker 3: have a chat about it. And you know, it's not compulsory.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to fill in all the sections. You

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Speaker 3: you've got a will, attach it to your will and

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Speaker 3: just make sure your family knows that these are your

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Speaker 3: sort of wishes towards the end of your lot. Not

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Speaker 3: people don't have this because you know, when you're younger,

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Speaker 3: and her wishes, her last wishes weren't sort of respected,

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Speaker 3: for the hobby.

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Speaker 2: It really would easier. We are going to have to

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Speaker 2: wrap up. Keasier.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having a chat to us this morning.

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Speaker 1: No week, that was this week unfortunately, but we'll catch

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Speaker 1: up with you again next week.

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Speaker 2: He's showtime tomorrow. Good on you're Keasier. Thank you,