1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bungelung Caalcuttin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday, 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: the nineteenth of September, not August. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: If you were confused. 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: By a yesterday's date, so was I, but we were 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: just trying to keep you on your toes anyway. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Nina tda's podcast producer, and I take 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: full responsibility for that date situation. Thank you to everybody 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: who sent us very kindly worded messages listening exactly. We 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: know you're out there. Thank you for that help. 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: So it's the stuff that dreams are made of. Spending 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: your Thursday nine out partying with friends and not having 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: to set an alarm for the next day, but in fact, 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 2: just having a day off a four day work week 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: sounds too good to be true. 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 4: You are effing that oh, that'll never happen in my organization, 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 4: or that'll never work. 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: But a new development might mean a four day work 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: week is a step closer to reality. And I'm going 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: to explain why in the deep dive. But first, Nina, 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: some more news on that Qatar Airways story. 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: It just keeps going, Zara. A Senate inquiry will begin 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: today to investigate the government's decision to block a tai 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: Airways bid to fly more services to Australia. And if 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: you want to know more about this story, we have 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: done a deep dive. I'll chuck that link in the 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: show notes. But the move to reject Guitar's proposed extra 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: twenty eight flights a week has drawn criticism in recent weeks. 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: The hearings will examine the rejected Guitar application and will 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: also examine an airline competition in Australia. 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: More broadly, popular dating apps like Bumble and Hinge have 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: been asked to develop new safety codes for their platforms. 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: The federal government is calling for online dating companies to 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: work together to develop and implement an industry wide code, 40 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: but it hasn't ruled out legislative measures if safety practices 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: don't improve. The safety code is set to come into 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: effect in the middle of next year. 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: Multiple Victorian venues have been charged with alleged underage gambling incidents. 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: The Victorian Gambling and Casino Control Commission alleged twenty seven 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: instances of illegal gambling by a miner across eight venues 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: last year. The operators are facing a combined fine of 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: over one million dollars. 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: And the good news a soccer match featuring the Matilda's 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: will be relocated to a larger venue to accommodate soaring 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: demand for tickets. And that is a course off the 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: back of their history making run at the Women's World Cup. 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: The Olympic qualifier against the Philippines is now slated to 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: be played at Perth's Opta Stadium, which has a capacity 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: of sixty thousand, three times the capacity of the original menu. 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: All right, Nina, are you four or against a four 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: day work week? 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: Well as you very well, mo I spent approximately fifty 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: five minutes on hold to my electricity provider today. 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: You were growing in anger as the minute war on, and. 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: I was trying to be like nice, because you know, 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: it's not the person's fault who's answering the phone but 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 3: you just everyone's experienced that frustration, and I just think, 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's not a great use of my time 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: at work, and it would be an agree to that sentiment. 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: Thanks your boy. It would be nice to have a 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: day to be able to deal with those things that's 67 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: not cutting into your precious weekend time. Also when things 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: are closed and you can't do those things anyway. 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: I think it's funny because often when we talk about 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: four day work weeks, critics of four day work weeks 71 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: will automatically say, well, people are just going to lays 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: around and do nothing and all of this. But you're 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: saying you want to have that day to talk to 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: electricity providers. 75 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: One hundred percent and go for runs and do my laundry, 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: just get stuff done. 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: You know. 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: Well, turns out you're not alone in thinking that might 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: be a productive thing to do. Because an Act Parliamentary 80 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: ca so it's a committee that is made up of 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: members of Parliament, from the government, from the opposition, from 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: the Greens, so you know, tripardersan if you will. They've 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: recommended that the public sector should trial a four day 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: work week in the Act, and the committee says that 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: the public sector is well placed to see how it 86 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: could work in Australia more broadly, so it could be 87 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: something that catches on. 88 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: When we're talking about a four day work week. I 89 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: think there's still some misunderstandings and misconceptions about what that 90 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: looks like because it doesn't exist in most of our lives. Yet, 91 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: what are they talking about when they're saying a four 92 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: day work week? 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: So typically a four day work week means that employees 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: are still paid their full time salary for only four 95 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: days of work. So essentially, your output isn't changing, how 96 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: much you're getting paid isn't changing. You're just rocking up 97 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: to work four days instead of five days, and the 98 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: idea being that you can be as productive with less 99 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: time as you are with the full five. 100 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: Days, just get more done in that time. 101 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so if we go back to the Act, 102 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: this Committee into the four day work Week was established 103 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and it actually came about as 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: a result of several businesses worldwide trialing the shortened week. 105 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: This does feel like a move forward, a step forward, 106 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: because we have heard all of these reports, all of 107 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: those studies that have been showing us that this is 108 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: a possibility but this feels like the first time a 109 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: government body has been really forced to acknowledge or reckon 110 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: with this as a potential action point. So what did 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: this committee find? 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: So the committee found strong support among the act community 113 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: for a four day work week, and essentially what it 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: recommended was that a public sector trial, so that would 115 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: include anyone that's employed by the ACT government, so staffing, 116 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: government departments, public hospitals, public schools, things like that, that 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: they would move to a four day work week. And 118 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: one of the really interesting points that I think you 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 2: actually pointed out in the report was that it speaks 120 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: about what would happen in a school setting if teachers 121 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: went to four day and what happens to students. Then. 122 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't think we have an idea yet 123 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: of what this sort of look like, but I think 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: there is this idea being explored that if it was 125 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: a four day school week, that that could potentially have 126 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: benefits for students as well. They would have an extra 127 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: day to sleep, catch up on homework. 128 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how parents would feel about that. 129 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: Especially working parents. Yeah, so a lot of questions I 130 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: think here still to kind of get into. 131 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that was just for the public sector, 132 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: but the committee actually recommended a voluntary trial in the 133 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: private sector as well, but that would obviously be for 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: you know, for private companies to opt into. 135 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: One of the things the committee's report did was address 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: some of the common preconceptions about how the four day 137 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: working week would operate. What did it say? 138 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: So, I think one of the things that we hear 139 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: about often is this idea that if you're going from 140 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: a five day to a four day work week, your 141 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: productivity will inevitably drop. And you know, this comes up 142 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: in conversations. Employers might feel like they're picking up, you know, 143 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: the slack and that that's not fair. But what we're 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: finding is that the majority of evidence is saying the 145 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: same thing. The committee report pointed to a recent Australian 146 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: study which found that seventy percent of participating companies reported 147 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: an increase in productivity and thirty percent said that productivity 148 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: stayed the same. So none of those businesses were reporting 149 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: that there was a decrease in productivity. 150 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: So that's kind of debunking that idea around a lot 151 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: of productivity. Yeah, what are some of the things the 152 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: report pointed to as the benefits of a four day 153 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: working week. 154 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: So the committee heard evidence that a four day work 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: week had an and I quote overwhelmingly positive impact on 156 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: employee well being. So this was due in part to 157 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: employees having extra days off to do admin tasks like 158 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: talk to electricity providers, to attend medical appointments, and to exercise. 159 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: You know things that when you're working full time, I know, 160 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: you just don't find the time to do. We actually 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: did a story about the four day work week last 162 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: year where we spoke to employees who's companies are already 163 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: doing this, about the impact that it's had on their lives, 164 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: so really just trying to understand on a personal level, 165 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: what is this doing. 166 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: I decided that I was going to use that time 167 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: to start my own little business. I went and did 168 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: my bar certification, which is a combination of yoga, pilates, 169 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: and ballet, so I do coaching on Fridays. I've really 170 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: just filled my week with more work, but it's something 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: that I really enjoy. 172 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 5: One of the biggest things is getting that pesky admin 173 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 5: out the way, which generally takes up your whole Saturday 174 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 5: or Sunday, so your grocery shopping, medicare going to the bank, 175 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: lining up as service New South Wales. 176 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: And because I do feel like we have focused a 177 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: lot on the employee perspective, and I'll just fly the 178 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: employer perspective flag for a second. It's really interesting that 179 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: according to studies the four day work week is actually 180 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: benefiting employers too. So there was a swim Burne University 181 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: study that found a correlation between better work life balance 182 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: and a reduction in absenteeism sick days, so more people 183 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: were rocking up. 184 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, I'll remember that when I ask you about plans 185 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: at TDA in the future. So the committee's provided all 186 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: this evidence, they've recommended this trial in the public sector. 187 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: Does that mean that's going to happen? Is it around 188 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: the corner? 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Well, essentially, all the committee has done is make a 190 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: recommendation and it's ultimately up to the Act Government to 191 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: do without what they will. They can reject it, they 192 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: can accept it, they can really do whatever they like. Interestingly, though, 193 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: the ACT Labor Party, who forms part of the Act government, 194 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: did actually agree to support moving towards a four day 195 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: work week at the party's annual conference a few months back, 196 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: but the government does have until the end of the 197 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 2: year to formally respond to the committee's findings, So we'll 198 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: just have to wait and see whether they decide to 199 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: adopt this one. In particular, I do think it's worth 200 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: noting that new laws would need to be passed at 201 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: a federal level for the entire act workforce to transition 202 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: to a four day work week, and as with anything, 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: likely to be a fair bit of politicking that one. 204 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: Okay, Soizara, you can't be surprised that at the end 205 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: of this conversation I have to ask you, is there 206 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: in your mind a real potential for you as an 207 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: employer to introduce something like this. Do you think it 208 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 3: would work at TDA? 209 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: I think it's challenging when you work in news because 210 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: we don't work like most other newsrooms. We don't roster 211 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: people on. So when I worked at Sky News in 212 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: the past, you know I was rustling on at three am, 213 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: four mornings away. I know it was such fun and 214 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: that was the way that you were able to capture 215 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: the twenty four hour news cycle. 216 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: We try to prioritize. 217 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: Work life balance by sticking kind of to a nine 218 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: to five job, and in doing so, I think that 219 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: we'd either need to move to a roster system to 220 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: accommodate that because someone would always need to be on 221 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: But I also, yeah, I really see the meriton as 222 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: a person who works in a business just happens to 223 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: be our business. But like I never exercise, I never 224 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: find time to exercise, and we talk about that a. 225 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 3: Lot in the office. I think there's a huge sentiment 226 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: among everyone at TIDIA that everyone feels better after exercise, 227 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: and we talk about all the time, Yeah I've had 228 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: it's good for you. 229 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: But I just think there, yeah, there are lots of benefits. 230 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: I think for new businesses and for small businesses, it's 231 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: certainly more challenging. But if we are going to say 232 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: that we're innovative and we're new and we're capturing the 233 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: next generation, I do think it's something we have to 234 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: take seriously. I just would need some help with how 235 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: that actually looks and works in reality. So look to 236 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: the big dogs to see how it's working for them, 237 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: and then adopt what we can internally. 238 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: Okay, cool, Well I'll be keeping an eye on that 239 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: one closely. 240 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: I'll keep an eye on the politics, and you keep 241 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: an eye on me. 242 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: And in the meantime, I have to go deal with 243 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: my provider. 244 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: If we have any electricity providers listening, Please go and 245 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 2: help Nina. 246 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: She needs it. Thanks for joining us on this episode 247 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: of The Daily OS. If you have any thoughts or 248 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: questions about the four day working week, there's a comment 249 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: box under the show description in Spotify. Would love to 250 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: hear from you, Sam and Zara. We'll be back as 251 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: normal from tomorrow. Until then, have an excellent day.