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Speaker 1: This time for the week that was, and the show

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Speaker 1: proudly brought to you by Darwin Masda Berrima and joining

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Speaker 1: me in the studio this morning, we have got the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Keesier Puric, the independent member for Goider. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Keizier.

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Speaker 3: Morning Whitbush people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, We've also got Kate Warden, the Minister for Police

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Speaker 1: and Territory Families and various portfolios.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Kate, Good morning, and I think I'll be

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Speaker 4: the Minister for rain because this morning, post last weekend,

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Speaker 4: I turned on my sprinklers and I bought you a monsoon.

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy with that.

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Speaker 1: Love it when that happens. I tell you what all

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Speaker 1: lies on the Catherine River at the moment as well.

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Speaker 1: I think it's at fourteen meters at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: So keeping an eye on things in Catherine and right

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Speaker 1: across the top end. There is a lot of rain

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Speaker 1: forecast and plenty more continuing to fall. So we'll cross

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Speaker 1: to Catherine a little bit later this morning and find

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Speaker 1: out exactly how things are going. But I tell you

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Speaker 1: what it's been an incredibly busy week, and we did

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Speaker 1: kick the week off well with a ban at Casuarine Square.

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Speaker 1: The management there imposed to forty eight hour ban on

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Speaker 1: center due too well a proliferation of fights between students

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Speaker 1: at the complex. So from the commencement of trade on

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Speaker 1: Monday up until Tuesday afternoon, that forty eight hour band

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Speaker 1: was imposed. It was for Casuarina Senior College, Sanderson Middle School,

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Speaker 1: Dripstone Middle School, dar And Middle School, Darwin High School,

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Speaker 1: and Nightcliffe Middle School. Now, the center manager, Polly Leamonde

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Speaker 1: it had actually worked really quite well and the reason

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Speaker 1: that that had to go down this path was because

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Speaker 1: they had had a few terrible incidents towards the back

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Speaker 1: end of last week. I'd certainly seen some of that

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Speaker 1: keeping my kids away when that kind of stuff was

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Speaker 5: That is for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crime right across the territory is out of controlling.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to look very far to see footage

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Speaker 2: on the socials, on the Indian news printer, on the

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Speaker 2: TV of the radio and It just shows that these

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Speaker 2: private companies, the private people have got to do things

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Speaker 2: themselves because unfortunately labor government have seen put their head

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Speaker 2: in the sand about crime and it's good to see

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Speaker 2: these people taking steps who protect themselves because it seems

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Speaker 2: the government's not doing it well.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 4: We have a CLP advertisement campaign for the next election.

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Speaker 4: But actually, Derreed, I don't know. My eldest daughters are

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Speaker 4: in their thirties now and there was a time that

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Speaker 4: they were banned from Casarina by the by Caasarina back

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Speaker 4: when they were teenagers.

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Speaker 3: These things go up and down from different times.

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Speaker 4: We've worked intensively with Casarina Square and Polly and Warren

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Speaker 4: the owner, the new owners there for quite a period

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Speaker 3: Now we have seen a sixty eight percent decrease.

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Speaker 4: And for those people that you know that woolworths End

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Speaker 4: had got quite bad around the bus in exchange and

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Speaker 4: if you've been there lately, the improvements there have been vast.

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Speaker 4: I ran into Warren last week. He's really pleased with

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Speaker 4: work that's gone on. But we have seen now a

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Speaker 4: lot of students after school coming. I've had a rule

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Speaker 4: my kids growing up that they if you haven't got

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Speaker 3: It's not a place to hang around.

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Speaker 4: And I think what we've seen happen is that parents

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Speaker 4: you know, one cohort of kids and they're getting into trouble.

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Speaker 4: This was happening where my kids, my oldest daughters were

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Speaker 3: Seeing it again now. And good on Casarina Square for

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Speaker 3: what they've done.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, its good at they've done it.

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Speaker 6: It's absolute property. They're entitled to do what they like

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Speaker 6: and within the law. And this is completely within the law.

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Speaker 6: But the issue can't be ignored though they had to

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Speaker 6: it's Sentinel. Yeah, seven million dollars on security, Now that

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Speaker 3: I get it. You've got to have.

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Speaker 6: Security in any big commercial complex for lots of reasons.

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Speaker 6: It's quite legitimate reasons. But you couple the banning of

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Speaker 2: I think I think Case's answer as a classic example

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Speaker 3: It's happened all the time, It's happened fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 3: With let me finish.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem with this government's got. They don't accept

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Speaker 1: And I know in.

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Speaker 5: Six businesses operating with.

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Speaker 3: The doors shut, door locks.

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Speaker 2: How do you operate a private business where you've got

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Speaker 2: to pay the bills, to pay taxes when you've got

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Speaker 2: to lock your front door And we can give you know,

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Speaker 2: we can see Differ an hour talking about examples of

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Speaker 2: businesses suffering under this crime wave caused by the Labor government,

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Speaker 2: and they're just not accepting that there's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do want to point out and because it

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Speaker 1: was actually something that made me feel really sad throughout

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Speaker 5: It was an interview that I've.

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Speaker 1: Done with Sushi or the CEO of Kosa, the counsel

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Speaker 1: of the aging here in the Northern Territory. Now, she

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Speaker 1: said to me that there are seniors in the Northern

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Speaker 1: safe in their own homes, They do not feel safe

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Speaker 1: going out to do their shopping. As a result, they're

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Speaker 1: purchasing a large number of personal alarms so that people

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Speaker 1: so that our seniors can actually use those when they're out,

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Speaker 1: so that if they are in danger, they're able to

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Speaker 1: utilize those alarms. Now. I don't know where things are

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Speaker 3: Not good enough.

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Speaker 4: And Katie, you're absolutely right that that is not good enough.

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Speaker 4: But we are seeing across the nation and this isn't

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Speaker 4: me sticking my head in the sand. It's acknowledging that

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Speaker 4: there is a body of work. We've got more and

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Speaker 4: more people coming out now, which is good to see.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a primary driver and a whole heap

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Speaker 4: of this, not all of it. You have to keep

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Speaker 4: working at every level around this, So you have to

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Speaker 3: You have to have more police on the front line.

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Speaker 4: And you can see that what the work that we've

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Speaker 3: But that's the way that you have to work at this.

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Speaker 4: I think you know the c ORPA that we stick

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Speaker 4: this ELP don't want to acknowledge that.

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Speaker 3: There's podcast on.

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Speaker 4: Let me finish, because I gave you some a moment

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Speaker 4: and I'll let you finish if you stick your head

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Speaker 3: This is what you get. What we have to.

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Speaker 4: Do is make sure that that gap doesn't keep widening,

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Speaker 4: so that that's a body of work. At the same time,

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Speaker 4: keep people safe. You need to invest in our police

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Speaker 4: and to say that we're not doing that is disingenuous.

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Speaker 4: And I know that the whole mantra of your soft

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Speaker 4: on crime gets you over the line. But you can

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Speaker 4: see what Queensland's now doing around a breach of bail.

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Speaker 3: We've got breach of bail here.

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Speaker 4: You might not like our breach of bail, but you

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Speaker 4: keep telling people, can I go on a breach of bail,

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Speaker 4: all right, don't want to talk about that form because

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Speaker 4: in Queensland, obviously we cover you know, as we've spoken

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Speaker 1: But we do know that in queens and what they

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Speaker 1: are looking at now is or what they've actually you know,

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Speaker 1: what they've announced throughout the week is that the Queensland

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Speaker 1: government they're backflipping on their contentious youth crime reforms. So

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Speaker 1: they are going to reintroduce breach of bail as an offense,

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Speaker 1: which we so the state government had previously dismissed the

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Speaker 1: crime crisis. Now, I want to ask a really clear

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Speaker 5: A couple of days later.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that happens, and so are they on bail and

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Speaker 1: are they taken straight back into Dondale or what happens?

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Speaker 4: So if they've served their time in don Dale, they

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Speaker 3: That's not bail.

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Speaker 4: Bail is what the courts provide or police provide when

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Speaker 4: a young person has been first picked up for an offense,

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Speaker 4: and then if they're on bail and then they breach that,

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Speaker 4: so that's that second offense, then we have breach of

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Speaker 4: bail provisions. The difference between us is that we have

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Speaker 4: a part in the Act that talks about exceptional circumstances Katie,

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Speaker 4: which the opposition don't like. But I can give you

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Speaker 4: a very practical example of why that's really important. So

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Speaker 4: if you've got a young person that has offended and

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Speaker 4: then they breach their bail by stealing, for example, some

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Speaker 4: food because they're starving hungry, then do you want them.

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Speaker 3: Breached on that? And that gives you so much chance

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Speaker 1: Preaching bail and stealing a loaf of bread. They're breaching

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Speaker 1: bail and starting icadi are are but how many instances

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Speaker 1: to pursue your defense? Like in all honesty, and I

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Speaker 1: want to be really calm about this, but in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: do you genuinely feel that it's working at the moment?

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Speaker 5: If if a child is out, we stealing a pin.

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Speaker 3: Of people in detention, young people in detention.

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Speaker 4: We have an increased number of people, young people that

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Speaker 4: are in detention for breach of bail. Absolutely, if you're

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Speaker 4: an increased number of kids being caught in jail in detention.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely it's working. But to me, that's not what you want.

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Speaker 1: My measure is actually what the community is going through

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Speaker 4: Can I say, Katie that when we talk about this,

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Speaker 3: Hole of youth crime.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of adults out there that are

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Speaker 3: So often people will say.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, look at those young that's youth crime,

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Speaker 5: It's adult you know, men particularly all the pressure leases.

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Speaker 4: So eighteen nineteen, twenty years of age, I think people

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Speaker 3: So we do have that. But I'll tell you the

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Speaker 3: But we have got what we have seen is an

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Speaker 5: We step that to keep the community, we have to.

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Speaker 3: Keep doing that really early work before those young people.

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Speaker 1: And we do. Though in the absolute point end, when

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Speaker 3: They don't necessarily residential.

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Speaker 4: So those young people that come out and go to

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Speaker 3: It's where their home is.

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Speaker 4: So we have to the young people that go into

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Speaker 4: That's not the only place these young people are going.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you we have got young people in

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Speaker 4: and after they come out. So it's not just a

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Speaker 1: These's just come through from a police officer and it

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Speaker 1: says breach of bail means bugger all, it's a waste

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Speaker 2: I spend lots of time in the court and I've

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Speaker 2: done a bit of breach of bail and stuff. But

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about breach of bail in defense. So

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Speaker 2: That's your bail conditions, all reporting to the police quite regularly,

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Speaker 2: and if you breach that, well then your bail is revoked.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about there should be a new charge

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Speaker 2: you're saying of breach of bail, saying that you've actually

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Speaker 3: Because you've breached your bail.

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Speaker 2: So what Kate is talking about all these things about

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Speaker 2: getting bail revoked, that happens, I accept it. But what

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen if that person doesn't get another charge of

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Speaker 2: breach of bail. So they go back in and all

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Speaker 2: they're doing is breaching their baiol conditions. There's no more.

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Speaker 2: There's no more penalty, there's no more additional charges.

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Speaker 3: Let me finish you.

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Speaker 2: And so what we're saying, there should be a new

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Speaker 2: You're saying, let's actually charge of breaching your bail where

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Speaker 2: you can go and get resettings for you breach your bail.

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Speaker 2: And we in the government, as the COLP, try to

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Speaker 2: do that. In May twenty one is the labor government

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Speaker 2: knocked that back. And another thing that I want to

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Speaker 2: she's done. Do you really think territories are out there

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Speaker 2: saying that it's actually working. Do you believe that what

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Speaker 4: Territories are safe for the vast majority of kids that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. We had five hundred and ninety sorry you're listening

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Speaker 4: Tie hundred and ninety young people went through diversion last

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Speaker 4: year alone. We've got forty around forty on a daily

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Speaker 4: that five hundred and ninety kids do not reoffend.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole purpose of the system. Just to that.

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Speaker 5: Situation where there's new people.

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Speaker 4: Then thank you you have Hitz. That is absolutely nail

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Speaker 4: on the head. And what Jared's saying is that rebreach

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Speaker 4: to go in for that breach of baw. We were

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Speaker 4: never getting young people into court for the original offense

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Speaker 4: because it was this constant breach of bow. Now, yes

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Speaker 4: they get the breach of bow, yes they come back

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Speaker 4: which is what they should be sentenced for.

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Speaker 5: Kesier ready for you.

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Speaker 6: The way the way I see it is the fact

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Speaker 6: in libolutely.

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Speaker 3: So there's that part of it.

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Speaker 6: You know the fact that they've got the high number well,

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Speaker 6: we've got high number of people in our jails full stop.

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Speaker 6: But the other aspectors, and I've said this before and

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Speaker 6: I'll say it again to the police Minister Kate, is

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Speaker 6: they have to put the school based constables back in

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Speaker 3: Not a bad one.

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Speaker 6: You want them to have a good one to understand

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Speaker 6: law enforcement, to understand what's right and wrong. And that's

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Speaker 6: what I think a lot of these young people go astray,

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Speaker 6: don't matter what race, color, culture, creed they are.

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Speaker 3: If they've got and forget.

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Speaker 6: The exiliaries, I'm sure they're almighty fine people. But that

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Speaker 6: program has not worked. And I'm going to be writing

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Speaker 6: probably to U Kate as the Minister, to find out

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Speaker 6: exactly how many call outs have been two schools in

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Speaker 6: cannot deal with any incidents in schools. They cannot deal

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Speaker 6: with them. They have to call the police. Now, if

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Speaker 6: there was a police constable and the people there's lots

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Speaker 6: all right, they want to work with young people for

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Speaker 6: whatever reason, and that's good. But if those school based

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Speaker 6: constables will put in forget what the police commissioner says,

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Speaker 6: Oh they're my police and I'll put them where I want.

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Speaker 3: Rubbish.

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Speaker 6: We need those school based constables back in our schools

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Speaker 6: and they have programs. You know, they've always had the

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Speaker 6: programs in the past, have had the Dare program to

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Speaker 3: Even the basics. Still running those programs they probably are.

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Speaker 6: But the xilitary program has failed, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to do with the people, it's the way the

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Speaker 3: program was set up. It's been a waste of money.

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Speaker 6: Put the school based constables back in, which we part

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Speaker 6: of a sweept a suite of other things to try

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Speaker 6: which put an education.

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Speaker 4: Plan and current looking while the current model is put

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Speaker 4: of them across all our schools. We've got two at

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Speaker 4: it to meendment in your area.

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Speaker 3: That always they're doing.

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Speaker 6: A great job, but they're doing the maybe doing a

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Speaker 6: good job as an exilient, but they're not doing a

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Speaker 6: good job that school based constables can do. And when

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Speaker 6: we get the data Kde, I'll get the data from

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Speaker 6: the through questions on notice to find out how many

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Speaker 6: call outs. I know with my to moo in college,

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Speaker 6: the police have had to go there. Sadly they've had

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Speaker 6: do that. They stand aside and watch kids fighting because

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Speaker 6: they're not allowed to touch them.

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Speaker 3: They've got to call the police.

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Speaker 6: So that's where you start, is getting young people when

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Speaker 6: they're young. Yeah, particularly in those formative years when those

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Speaker 1: I just want to ask before we move on to

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Speaker 1: the next topic, Kate, when it comes to what's happening

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Speaker 1: around social media. You know, I know that you've said

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Speaker 1: with the bridge of bail things we're.

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Speaker 3: Going to look at social media as well. That's one

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Speaker 5: How quickly are we expecting to see that.

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Speaker 4: Change already discussions looking at You can't just say expected

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Speaker 3: You have to work through what that will look like.

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Speaker 1: I guess the point is that Queensland's moving really fast

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Speaker 1: the community they'll be thinking why can't we move?

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Speaker 3: They have a breach of borel as an offense.

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Speaker 5: So there's no changes to breach of bail.

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Speaker 4: By the sounds of it, it works with young people

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Speaker 4: when they breach their bail are back before the courts,

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Speaker 4: there's no doubt, but they difference. Let's come back in

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Speaker 4: on the original charge which might have been so let

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Speaker 4: me explain this very easily, Katie. You got broken into

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Speaker 4: the young person gets put out on bail from that

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Speaker 3: They then breach that bail.

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Speaker 4: You want that charge to be heard against what they

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Speaker 4: if the CLP had their way, they'd be charged with

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Speaker 4: the breach of bao. Their breach of bao will go

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Speaker 3: It is true wrong to challenge those young people with

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Speaker 3: the offense that they did.

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Speaker 1: Penalty Is there a penel if you breach your bail.

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Speaker 3: You get picked back up and you get before the court.

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Speaker 4: So there is no it's an offense to breach your bail,

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Speaker 4: get bought back in and you face the charge that

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Speaker 3: So bail is a privilege. So if.

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Speaker 4: Is revoked and you go before the court on the

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Speaker 4: very charge that the victim is waiting to hear that

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Speaker 1: All right, so just I guess for me to get

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Speaker 1: it clear in my brain. So you're on bail, correct,

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Speaker 1: you get out, you steal a car? Correct, you get

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Speaker 1: charged with the theft of the car and you've also

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Speaker 1: been found to breach your bail. Do you go back

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Speaker 1: into don Dale or do you have to wait then

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Speaker 1: to go to.

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Speaker 4: Go back to Remand Okay, so you are going back

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Speaker 4: to Remind and the numbers show you that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So that's that part of it.

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Speaker 1: Now, you did say that you're going to be looking

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Speaker 1: at what or you are already looking at what's going

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Speaker 1: on with the social media side of.

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Speaker 3: Things there we are.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you're looking at that what

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Speaker 1: Queensland is doing right now to see whether it would

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Speaker 1: be effective in the Northern territory.

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Speaker 5: I know that they're looking at.

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Speaker 1: It investing that forty two million dollars additional.

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Speaker 4: So heal two hundred and fifty million dollars plus plus

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Speaker 4: plus since the Row Commission in the space that they're

462
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Speaker 4: just catching up into police. Since they're catching up, we've

463
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Speaker 4: got extra one hundred million dollars going into police since

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. So we are actually ahead of Queensland. Queensine

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Speaker 4: have acknowledged that we're ahead. Queens Aline are actually looking

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Speaker 4: at what we're doing in the youth justice space. We're

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Speaker 4: building all the new youth justice facilities, We've got youth

468
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Speaker 4: work camps being built down in.

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Speaker 3: Places like the Barclay. We're actually ahead of Queensland.

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective at the moment, because I just

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Speaker 1: want I want listeners to be clear on this. You

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Speaker 1: feel as though what's happening at the moment in the

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Speaker 1: Northern territory is enough.

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Speaker 5: But what you will look at is the social media.

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Speaker 4: So we're looking at the social media component. We're also

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Speaker 4: looking and reviewing our breach of bail provisions to see

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Speaker 4: if they've got the art collect under review. Yes, but

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Speaker 4: that particular bail changes that we made, we said that

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Speaker 4: we would review that that is being reviewed. At the moment,

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Speaker 4: it's very close to that review being finalized, so we've

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Speaker 4: got a lot of work going on in that space.

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Speaker 4: But certainly the social media stuff, you know, you see

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Speaker 4: what other people are doing in other jurisdictions and you

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Speaker 4: look at them and you assess whether they'd be applicable here.

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Speaker 3: But certainly that's been an issue for us here.

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Speaker 4: We know that young people put their their crimes if

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Speaker 4: you're like up online and it's notoriety, and that's really

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Speaker 4: sheltered them on and it's really appalling pace.

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Speaker 3: And we want to.

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Speaker 4: Make sure that if you you brag about your crimes

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Speaker 4: on social media, I think that's the intent that there

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Speaker 4: can be an additional penalty for you.

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Speaker 1: To go through.

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Speaker 2: I just want to correct something that the Minister said,

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Speaker 2: which you said, when you use example about stealing a car,

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Speaker 2: you go back and remand that's actually incorrect because the

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Speaker 2: legislation as it stands, talks about serious breach of bail,

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Speaker 2: which is right, murder and serious hum. There's only those three.

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Speaker 2: It's only there's only those three things which actually talk

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Speaker 2: about a serious breach of bail. It's not not stealing

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Speaker 2: a cart.

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Speaker 3: Reach of bail and you would get picked up on

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Speaker 3: that and you would go back.

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Speaker 2: Before you're wrong, before the thoughts all the time misleading.

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Speaker 3: It's up to quite just about where these young people go.

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Speaker 3: It's not will make a recommendation that that.

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Speaker 4: Young person goes into remand so they recommend I just I.

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Speaker 6: Just want to give some information to listen. There is

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Speaker 6: also short Minister to Mement. I've just had a teacher

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Speaker 6: text me Tomment hasn't had two auxiliaris since mid last year.

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Speaker 6: Oh well and I look at that, thank you, and

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Speaker 6: that's not my advice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing, well depends we get your advice

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Speaker 6: from Minister.

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Speaker 4: In writing from the Department Education, not necessarily education.

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Speaker 6: And also if the department, the same teacher said, if

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Speaker 6: the department and the union thinks auxiliary is a good idea,

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Speaker 6: then government's not listening to the people who want the

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Speaker 6: constables back, and that's the school boards and the teachers

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Speaker 6: talk to those people. The union represents teachers, but they're

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Speaker 6: not there in the schools every day.

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Speaker 1: We are going to need to take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine's three six.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was You are listening to

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Speaker 1: the week that was in the studio this morning's Jered

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Speaker 1: Maylee keesy Aparic in Kate Warden.

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Speaker 5: Now, I do just want to take you well.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the fact that throughout the week we did

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Speaker 1: see a number of Northern Territory Police officers who were assaulted.

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Speaker 1: So there was an attack in Daily River, so an

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Speaker 1: axe attack. The Northern Territory Police have now charged two

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Speaker 1: men following that disturbance. Two many aged twenty four and

534
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Speaker 1: twenty five, were arrested on Monday and have since been

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Speaker 1: charged with aggravated assault, armed with an offensive weapon at night,

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Speaker 1: in danger occupants of a vehicle and recklessly in recklessly

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Speaker 1: in danger serious harm. Now they've both been bailed to

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Speaker 1: appear in the local court on the eighth of March. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: not the only situation. An officer was kicked in the

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Speaker 1: head and another spat on in Tenant Creek as I

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Speaker 1: understand it, and there was well it was reported by

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Speaker 1: the police secreteers were also thrown at officers in pine Lands. Look,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's disgraceful when you hear of this

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Speaker 1: kind of assault against our Northern Territory police officers. They're

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Speaker 1: at the front line through the week as well. We

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Speaker 1: spoke to the grandmother of one of those officers, and

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Speaker 1: I've got to say it like it was it really,

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Speaker 1: you know, made you look at it differently, Like it

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Speaker 1: just reminds you that police officers are somebody's dad. There's

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Speaker 1: somebody's you know, son, there's somebody's as.

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Speaker 5: You know, Jared better than ever.

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Speaker 1: I don't explain, but but you know, like it does

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Speaker 1: just make you go, like it is incredibly frightening for

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Speaker 1: those families then to know that your husband's had an

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Speaker 1: axe thrown at him, or someone you've been they've been

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Speaker 1: spat on, and it like it was just really, you know,

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Speaker 1: it put a real sort of different spin on things

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Speaker 1: I don't think of it.

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Speaker 4: And it donated as ault, absolutely, and it does ram

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Speaker 4: home just how challenging the job of a police officer is.

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Speaker 4: And I go to plenty of graduations and see these

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Speaker 4: young fresh face you know, generally recruits coming through, and

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Speaker 4: they I think you can see in them though they

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Speaker 4: realize the sort of job that they've taken on. It

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Speaker 4: is a dangerous occupation. And we do see those, you know,

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Speaker 4: those really harsh circumstances for some of them, and that's why.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we increased the penalties Katie around spitting up

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Speaker 4: to ten years last week in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: With the act of attempting to disarm a police officer

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Speaker 3: six years jail.

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Speaker 4: So there are some harsh penalties for that stuff, but

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Speaker 4: it doesn't take it away from the fact that it

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Speaker 4: is a you know, it can be a really challenging

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Speaker 4: occupation and you know, we really appreciate what all the

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Speaker 4: work that our police do.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just rereading that. So both of them were bailed.

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Speaker 1: Then that had that had you know, assaulted those police

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Speaker 1: officers with an axe, throwing one through a window, and

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Speaker 1: I know that one of them allegedly as understand a.

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Speaker 4: Court, Yeah, that's pretty wild though as a police I

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Speaker 4: would think would have put those charges in an applaced

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Speaker 4: bail as they should.

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Speaker 3: But those are decisions of the court.

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Speaker 2: Remember, the courts interpret the law and the government's got

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Speaker 2: the power to change laws as they see fit, and

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Speaker 2: if this government was serious about crime, they could easily

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Speaker 2: go and make some legislation changes to make sure the

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Speaker 2: courts do the right thing. People out there are sick

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Speaker 2: and tired of becoming victims of crime, going home seeing

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Speaker 2: the house broken into coming to work seeing that their

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Speaker 2: business broken into trying to get the kids to school

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Speaker 2: and all those things. And this is just a clear

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Speaker 2: result that the List Labor government have failed in their

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Speaker 2: attempts to try and keep territory and safe. And we

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Speaker 2: can go through crime figures and I'll see that some

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Speaker 2: new crime figures as just came out with Lisa, which

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Speaker 2: I just seem to be like.

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Speaker 1: So it's actually the Police Association survey results. So so

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Speaker 1: I do just want to have a look at these,

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Speaker 1: and I understand that everybody in this studio is seeing

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Speaker 1: this for the first time. None of us have actually

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Speaker 1: read these before, so I'll just go.

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Speaker 5: Glasses, well, let me read it through for you.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, the Northern Territory Police Association, they've released the

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Speaker 1: results from their latest member survey which confirms that our

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Speaker 1: members believe the Northern Territory Police Force is critical, understaffed

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Speaker 1: and under resourced and members feel completely abandoned by the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. So the Northern Territory Police Association, Paul mcku,

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Speaker 1: their president, said it's a damning assessment of the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Force and the inaction of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Government to address critical concerns from our members. So in

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Speaker 1: total there was one thy two hundred and two member responses,

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Speaker 1: which is seventy four percent survey of the membership and

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Speaker 1: it's the highest ever return rate of a survey. A

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Speaker 1: total of one than six hundred and thirty two members

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Speaker 1: were eligible to take part in the survey. So it's

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Speaker 1: shown ninety seven point six percent of respondents do not

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Speaker 1: believe there are enough police.

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Speaker 5: To do what's asked of them.

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Speaker 1: Eighty point seven percent rated morale as low or very low,

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Speaker 1: ninety six point seven percent do not feel supported by

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government, eighty six point eight percent support

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Speaker 1: a work to Rule industrial campaign and eighty five point

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Speaker 1: three percent have conceived did an exit strategy from the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force in the last six to twelve months. Minister,

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Speaker 1: just upon hearing that, yep, what is your response?

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Speaker 3: My response is are you going to resign?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's your usual thing to say, and how can

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Speaker 4: I tell you can tell you when I talk to

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Speaker 4: people out they actually think it's laughable whenever you do

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Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 5: What is your response to those survey results?

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Speaker 4: So very disappoin it's disappointed, obviously disappointing as the minister,

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Speaker 4: the line minister for it. It shows me there's a

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Speaker 4: hell of a lot of work to be done and

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Speaker 4: we've got to continue to have that work. I have

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Speaker 4: a very good relationship that I've built over the last

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Speaker 4: you know, six months since I have been the minister

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Speaker 4: with Paul McHugh. We do meet regularly. Obviously we need

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Speaker 4: to have a catch up and go through this again.

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Speaker 4: The devil's in the detail on these and I saw

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Speaker 4: that last time with the survey. But absolutely I have

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Speaker 4: no I will not back away from the space that

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Speaker 4: you read that front line not enough to do what's

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Speaker 4: asked of them. We have to make sure that all

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Speaker 4: our government agencies are stepping up and working together to us.

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Speaker 3: To support our police because that's.

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Speaker 4: You know, often we'll find police coming out to do

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Speaker 4: the jobs that should be doing being done by other people.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's some good examples. This week. I've actually

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Speaker 3: written to the Council.

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Speaker 4: They've got a section one by Law one O three

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Speaker 4: that says that you know, people can't live in their spaces,

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Speaker 4: they're not allowed to and you know, and I have

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Speaker 4: called on the Council.

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Speaker 3: They need to move peace council.

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Speaker 4: So if the Darwin Council, City Council, Yeah, by Law

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Speaker 4: one O three means that people are not allowed to

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Speaker 4: live in their parks. And I think that they've really

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Speaker 4: dropped the ball in that they dispute that they think

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Speaker 4: that there's not enough homeless you know, homeless services, all

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Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But well, I guess that other people would also argue

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Speaker 1: there's people drinking in those parts as well, which is

665
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Speaker 1: a police response.

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Speaker 4: But what we to make sure is that there's a

667
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Speaker 4: whole range of work done by other agencies to step

668
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Speaker 4: into the space and support them.

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Speaker 1: So what's want to be done with these results? Because

670
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: I know that last time? So what are we going

671
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Speaker 1: to do with these results? Because last time there was

672
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Speaker 1: a survey it was damning, It was absolutely damning, and

673
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Speaker 1: it was damning towards the police commissioner. I know that

674
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Speaker 1: there's not been no question in this one by the

675
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Speaker 1: look of things, about whether the.

676
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Speaker 3: Offices there could be It's just.

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Speaker 4: My understanding as they didn't ask that. I listened to

678
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Speaker 4: an interview the other day with Paul Mcue. They didn't

679
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Speaker 4: ask that question this time. What I need yep, But

680
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: I need to go back and meet there's, you know,

681
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: with Paul Mcue again and talk about and unpack some

682
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Speaker 4: of the reasons because there's this is a highlight underneath

683
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Speaker 4: that is a whole heap of reasons and things. I

684
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: need to make sure that there's things in the agency

685
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: underway to address where those that if the devil is

686
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: in that detail, make sure that those things are in

687
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Speaker 4: just so the well being stuff is that being rolled

688
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Speaker 4: out fast enough. Let's make sure because we have the

689
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Speaker 4: chaplain Some of the last surveys were about getting chaplains

690
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Speaker 4: and all of those in. We've made sure that that's

691
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: all happened. We've got chaplains in those places. So I

692
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: need to make sure that under each of these there's

693
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Speaker 4: enough work going on that can turn this around.

694
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Speaker 5: Katie.

695
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Speaker 6: The same Mark Casey, Sergeant Mark Casey would not have help.

696
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Speaker 6: I mean, twenty five years in the police force and

697
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 6: from a yes police family. He spoke out and I

698
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: don't know, he wrote something about the cart force, so

699
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 6: he's expressing his personal opinion. And sure, police, like lots

700
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Speaker 6: of other uniform people, have certain codes of conduct they

701
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 6: must adbide to. But sometimes it just gets to the

702
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 6: point of tipping over. Now, for someone like him to

703
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 6: do what he did meant that he was at the

704
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 6: end of his tether. Rather than talk with the man

705
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 6: as to why he did it, they put him on

706
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 6: and know what you call it, leave it out pay

707
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 6: for ten months he's been on live without pay. Now,

708
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Speaker 6: I know this fellow and I've spoken with him, and

709
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 6: of course we know his father.

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Speaker 3: Jared and I.

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Speaker 6: So you know, this mental health well being stuff that

712
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Speaker 6: they talk about within the police force. I don't think

713
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 6: it really exists because they cast him a drift. They

714
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: cast sack role for drift. Zack Rolf never met with

715
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Speaker 6: the Police Commission. He never reached out to him in

716
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Speaker 6: any shape or form.

717
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Speaker 3: I get it.

718
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Speaker 6: There's tricky situations because it was a court case and

719
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Speaker 6: all that, but.

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Speaker 3: That's finished now.

721
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Speaker 6: No one in that police force reached out to him

722
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Speaker 6: at all in regards to mental health well being. No

723
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Speaker 6: one reached out to Mark Casey during the time he

724
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 6: was on leave without pay.

725
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Speaker 3: Need change and they have to change.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things, definitely pretty crappy leadership

727
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Speaker 1: from the second and you know, like when you're actually

728
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Speaker 1: when you sort of break it all down. Obviously there's

729
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: concerns from the community at the moment when it comes

730
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Speaker 1: to crime, all levels of crime, whether you're talking about

731
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Speaker 1: youth crime, whether you're talking about alcohol related crime, they are.

732
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Speaker 1: And you've also though, got a situation though, where the police.

733
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Speaker 5: Are clearly at their wits end.

734
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Speaker 1: I mean, looking at these survey results, they're at their

735
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Speaker 1: wits end. Something is going to need to change pretty drastically,

736
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Speaker 1: I would think, to ensure that morale within the force

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Speaker 1: is turned around. Kate, do you think that it is

738
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Speaker 1: falling short here? Does it come down to the leadership.

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Speaker 2: And creates some one more question, Kay, can you also

740
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Speaker 2: explain number three ninety six point seven. Please do not

741
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Speaker 2: feel supported by anti government likely fear your response in

742
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Speaker 2: relation to that one.

743
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Speaker 4: Of course you do, and I'm reading it for the

744
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Speaker 4: first time myself this morning.

745
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Speaker 3: Of course I'm so.

746
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm disappointed that that's how police on the

747
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: frontline feel and that's my job to make sure that

748
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Speaker 4: we can turn that around. I've just outlined the sorts

749
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Speaker 4: of activities that happen. I will be talking hopefully with

750
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Speaker 4: Paul mccub by the end of today and have a

751
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: chat around where they think and unpack the details that

752
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: are sitting underneath These are high level information where there's

753
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: a full report that sits underneath it, which will hopefully

754
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: articulate some of the areas that that's happening in.

755
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Speaker 3: And I do need to go.

756
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: Back over and review all of the things that are

757
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: happening so I can be assured that the work is underway,

758
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: and if it's not, I'll make sure that it is.

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Speaker 4: That's my commitment very specifically, Kate, Look, I have you

760
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 4: know I'm working with Jamie Chalker and his executive group.

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Speaker 3: There is some really dedicated police in that space. It's

762
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Speaker 3: something that I have to.

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Speaker 5: Address in what way.

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Speaker 4: That's a very tricky question, Katie, that you're putting me

765
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Speaker 4: on the spot with we gave you gave me these

766
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Speaker 4: survey results two minutes ago. I need to tell everything

767
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Speaker 4: that I have asked of the Police executive to date

768
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: has been done.

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Speaker 3: They have.

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Speaker 4: I am continuing to work in that space to make

771
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Speaker 4: sure that we're in agreement. Can I say that the

772
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Speaker 4: police is not like any other public service organization which

773
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Speaker 4: comes under the plasma. They have the Police Administration Act

774
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Speaker 4: as the Minister. You can't overlease, overstep the line. There

775
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 4: are very very tight lines around the difference between myself

776
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: and the executive.

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: The executive are their.

778
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: Operational I can as as they should be, and that's

779
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Speaker 4: why there is a Police Administration Act. They don't come

780
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: under the Public Sector Act, so there is that. I'm

781
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: not a trained police officer, that is not my background,

782
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: so it's it's actually really important that you have that.

783
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Speaker 4: But I acknowledge that we have a long way to

784
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 4: go and there's a hell of a lot of work

785
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: ahead of us. And I have to tell you I

786
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: have never been afraid of hard work, working bloody hard

787
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Speaker 4: on it. At the moment, I am listening to people

788
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 4: on the front line, and I'm out all the time

789
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: meeting our police on the frontline and listening to what

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00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: they've got to say. So whilst we got the information

791
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Speaker 4: from the Police Association, it's critical that I keep my

792
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 4: eyes on and make sure that the things that are

793
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: going to make a difference in the space, that have

794
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: been committed to me by the executive actually get delivered.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, are you saying that the previous policemans have

796
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: failed in her job.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say no, you're just playing politics.

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Speaker 1: I am going to try and get the police Association

799
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Speaker 1: on at some point throughout this morning to see if

800
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: we can get some further details. So we'll make sure

801
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: that we do that. We will take a very quick break.

802
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

803
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined

804
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: the cities, of course, the week that wasn't in the

805
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: studio with us this morning. We've got Kate Warden, Keesy

806
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Epirican Jared Maylee. Now over the weekend, we know that

807
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: the COLP obviously held their Central Council meeting and it

808
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: was determined that they would formally oppose the voice. Now

809
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: no word at this point in time, Jared, what exactly

810
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: is the parliamentary when going to do I believe that

811
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: you'd said that at this point you're still sort of

812
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: determining whether you do or don't support it, sitting.

813
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, where our position hasn't changed. What we're saying is

814
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: that that the government have got to go out there

815
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: and give the information to people right across the Northern

816
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: territory so they can make an informed decision. Can we

817
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: know that this is not a vote in our in

818
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: our parliament, certainly not a vote in the fund of pilment.

819
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Yet it's a referendum.

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Speaker 3: Are you getting.

821
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Let you talk so now, So what we're trying to

822
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: do is make sure that this LaVey government do their

823
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: job and go out there and make everyone have an

824
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: informed decision by giving the information any a.

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00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Situation, even a situation at the moment though within the

826
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: CLP where your parliamentary leader Leofano you know does does

827
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Speaker 1: in theory, you.

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: Know, support but wants more detail. But then you're in principle.

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00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, but your senator obviously is totally opposed to.

830
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: The face of the no campaign, Jared. But how about

831
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 4: then if you step outside the CLP, what are you

832
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: going to vote? You've got You've got Aboriginal kids. I've

833
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: got Aboriginal kids. How do you see their representation in

834
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: the Federal Parliament?

835
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Speaker 3: Are you going to vote yes for the voice or not?

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: I see their representation by you? Just like to know

837
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: our parliament up here is that if you want to

838
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: get elected, you can go. We've got four or five

839
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Aboriginal members in our parliament. In fact, last week in parliament,

840
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: the Member for Traditional Traditional Owner he tried to bring

841
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: in an amendment to the including the Treaty. In this

842
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: Labor government this going. He voted it down. They voted

843
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: down a listening to sways about listening to originals.

844
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Speaker 3: For your kids to have a want more information.

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Speaker 5: Put her hand on.

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Speaker 6: I want to I want to point out a couple

847
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 6: of things, both to Kate and also degenerate. Well, I

848
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 6: think someone's picked it up and I've looked at it.

849
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Speaker 6: The Labor government said they fully supported the Ularus statement.

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Speaker 6: This Labor government, and that's fine, that's their business. In

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Speaker 6: that Ularus statement it talks about a treaty commission and

852
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 6: it talks about treaty. That's exactly what Member from Olka

853
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 6: Mark Gouler put in his amendments to the territory motion

854
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: that to have a treaty and a commission. Now, the

855
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 6: Labor government had already supported it because they said they

856
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 6: supported the Ulu statement and then they voted his amendments down.

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Speaker 4: But that's not part of a referendum. We were. What

858
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: we brought into parliament was about the referendum. And to

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: the voice and Jared saying no, Katie, I will put

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Speaker 4: on the record and I think I've spoken to you

861
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: before about this. I won't be voting for it right

862
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: now because and I know a lot of people in

863
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: my electorate are not going to vote for it because

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00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: there is just not enough information.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: There's the Karma and Marcia Langton report and I've got

867
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Speaker 6: it and I've started to read it, and it's pretty

868
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 6: scary because they're talking about layers and layers of representation

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00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 6: and regional councils, which is another big less of bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: Look, I have here. We've got the other thing, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Just for listeners benefit, I'll repeat it again. There are

872
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 6: ninety no, what are there? Ninety land councils across the country.

873
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 6: Are four in the territory in their statutory which means

874
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 6: they will always exist. They get money regardless. There are

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00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 6: two thy seven hundred Aboriginal associations across this country in

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00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 6: shapes or forms. There are eleven members in the federal

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Speaker 6: Parliament who identifies Abiginal tristrate is in the people, which

878
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 6: represents about five point seven percent of all federal in peace. Okay,

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00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 6: there are three point seven percent Aboriginal people rostatus in

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00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 6: our country, so three present in the territory. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: we know that, that's a given. I'm talking about a

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Speaker 6: federal parliament. This is the voice to the federal partent.

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Speaker 6: They are well represented Abriginal try state of people and

884
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Speaker 6: three from the territory into the federal partent already.

885
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Speaker 3: So what's this voice going to give us that we

886
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: shouldn't already be getting a direct line onto policy.

887
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 6: And they're going to think too blind into the federal

888
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 6: cabinet unelected people.

889
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: That's what concerns.

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Speaker 1: Without any I think the thing is that there's obviously

891
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: lots of differing opinions when it does come to the

892
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Speaker 1: voice and whether people will or will not support it.

893
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly why you have a referendum, because you've

894
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: got the opportunity then to have your voice. But what

895
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I do want to know Jared, is how do you

896
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: think it's going to impact the CLP when it comes

897
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Speaker 1: to something like the r.

898
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 5: If you're a by election, Because it is going to

899
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Speaker 5: be a wedge.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be a situation where the Labor

901
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: Party can basically go out and go well, the COLP

902
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: aren't supporting a voice for Aboriginal people.

903
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, if the Labor government are going to weaponize this

904
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: and try and use it to their advantage, shame on them.

905
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: This is a referendum for the Voice. This is a

906
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: referendum for people across Australia. Everyone has one vote and

907
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: if the Labor government want to go out and weaponize

908
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: it and try and use it to attack the CELP,

909
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: shame on them again and again and again because it

910
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: is embarrassing if they do that. They need to go

911
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: out there and talk about issues that right across the territory,

912
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: crime and social behavior, health, roads, all those they're the

913
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: people who are listening to your show a lot, Katie,

914
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: and that's what people ringing about. They don't ring about

915
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: the Voice and it's sold.

916
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: It's not about weaponizing. It's actually about a point of difference.

917
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: So it's about values of the party that you're voting in.

918
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: So when you talk about labor and Labor talking in

919
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: the ARA for you'r by election, one of the things

920
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: we stand for is people will know that as individuals

921
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: within our party, we will be voting yes for the Voice.

922
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 4: That's really important for people to know. People on this

923
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: show now know that Jered is going to vote is

924
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: fence sitting and he won't come out and say yes

925
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: to the Voice for his family as well.

926
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: That's a real shame right.

927
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Speaker 2: My family into it.

928
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: That's offensive.

929
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: That is offensive to me, And don't bring my family

930
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Speaker 2: into it, because I get really angry if you bring

931
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: my family into a debate this is about.

932
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: All right, Well, fine, look, let's take a bit of

933
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: a p We have just got a couple of minutes

934
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Speaker 1: left when we do come back, but let's take a

935
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: bit of a break because I do want to very

936
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: briefly talk about the library.

937
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 5: And it being moved that Kesi Epyri could raise. It'll

938
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 5: be very quick. You're listening to mix before we wrap

939
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Speaker 5: up though.

940
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: Kezi Epuric, the member for Goid, She joined us on

941
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: the show earlier in the week as well and spoke

942
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: about the fact that the library, the Northern Territory Library,

943
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Speaker 1: it is going to be moving.

944
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Speaker 5: Now.

945
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Speaker 1: You'd raise concerns about there not being consultation. The government

946
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Speaker 1: did come back to me with a bit of a

947
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: response and they had said that they are coordinating that

948
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: move and that it was first announced back in twenty

949
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: eighteen in a community consultation process about the design of

950
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: the library and its future services, collections and programs occurred

951
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one.

952
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 5: We must have been asleep maybe when they're announcing.

953
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 7: It consultation, Kate asked as Innister Kate asked about look

954
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 7: at Minister case to Katie looking behind the police survey

955
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Speaker 7: the methodology was used.

956
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: Well, I will ask the government what methodology is in

957
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: your consultation in.

958
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 6: Twenty eighteen because I was around there. I am a

959
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 6: regular user of the library. The Parliamentary Librarian k has

960
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 6: never said anything to any of us, and I must

961
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 6: explain to listeners. The Northern Territory Library, for those who

962
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 6: from me to state, is like the State Reference Library,

963
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 6: and it's the repository of everything to do with the

964
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 6: Northern Territory, whether it be history or culture, you know,

965
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: Chinese history, Aboriginal history, whichever. But what concerns me was

966
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Speaker 6: the fact that of the costah, I mean if there

967
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Speaker 6: was an.

968
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: NDA given me any costs at this point.

969
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 6: And what is in the Northern Territory Library is an

970
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Speaker 6: exhibition called Territory Stories, which cost a fabulous amount of money.

971
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Speaker 6: Took it together and it is really a good exhibition.

972
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 6: So presumably that's moving as well. And so the cost,

973
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 6: I think there's going to be no change out of

974
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Speaker 6: hundreds and hundreds of thousand, that's one part of it.

975
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 6: Why are you moving it when you don't really need to,

976
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 6: and then the cost of being over there, and the

977
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Speaker 6: Parliamentary Library uses and works closely with the Northern churchid

978
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Speaker 6: Library for memorians not moving.

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Speaker 3: So the Parliamentary Service is staying.

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Speaker 6: But to say that they did consultation in twenty eighteen,

981
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying they didn't, but I'd like to see

982
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Speaker 6: what consultation they did.

983
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: I mean, it's clean now.

984
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: I will have to just be correct that I think

985
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Speaker 4: the consultation was done in twenty one. The decision was

986
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Speaker 4: made in twenty eighteen, but the consultation was done in

987
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 6: Is the university campus agreed to in twenty eighteen? No,

989
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Speaker 6: but I think so how can they move a library

990
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Speaker 6: to the university campus when the decision to have the

991
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Speaker 6: university campus hadn't even been you'll.

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00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: Get that with your questions, I'm sure when you find

993
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Speaker 3: your answers.

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Speaker 4: But I think that one of the things by moving

995
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Speaker 4: its adding us and growth of this because they are

996
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Speaker 4: quite limited in the space that they've got where they

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Speaker 4: currently are.

998
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Speaker 3: So that's one of the big, big driver positions. I'll

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Speaker 3: give you that. There are lots of space issues and

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Speaker 3: maybe we should move some people off the fifth floor

1001
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Speaker 3: before the library.

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Speaker 4: Really nice people on the Feestoral Parliament House in community

1003
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Speaker 4: based people, really people.

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Speaker 5: Right across the board house.

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Speaker 6: The only Parliament in Australia where the executive is housed

1006
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Speaker 6: in the parliament.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the only Parliament in Australia with the Executive House

1008
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Speaker 3: in the pulk.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, think about if we could move the executive

1010
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Speaker 6: out into a commercial building.

1011
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: One, it will help the commercial building.

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Speaker 6: And two would have that fabulous space out there that

1013
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Speaker 6: we could rent out at a fortune, I.

1014
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Speaker 3: Think, minister.

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00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to we are going

1016
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Speaker 1: to have to get ready to wrap up for the hour.

1017
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Speaker 1: We are like we're doing feb fit here at Mixwallow

1018
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Speaker 1: four point nine at the moment. Now Kesey Epuric is

1019
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: in a very fierce competition with my producer Crystal and

1020
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Speaker 1: the now she's got heating, she's got her exercise shoes

1021
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: on today they're a pair of bright songs.

1022
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 5: She's ready to go going out on.

1023
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Speaker 1: Her going out fancy. Now we are going to have

1024
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: to wrap up. Jarre Mainley, the Deputy Oppiceition lead, thanks.

1025
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: So much for your time this morning.

1026
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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, And we're going to get you on.

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Speaker 6: Coming.

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Speaker 1: Casy your parent in independent member for going to thank you.

1029
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Speaker 1: And Kate Warden, the Minister of the Territory, Families and Police,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for you.

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Speaker 3: It's tity to be and Micky thanks, thank you.