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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: it's Lola here. Happy Monday, And if you are in

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Speaker 1: Regional Victoria, you are now officially in step three of

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Speaker 1: four of coming out of lockdown, which is very freeing

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Speaker 1: and you can kind of feel the hustle and bustle

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Speaker 1: here in Talkie things feel kind of it exciting again

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Of course, Big glove to all

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Speaker 1: Melbournians listening to this that would still be in I

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Speaker 1: think step two or step one of lockdown, step one

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Speaker 1: of lockdown, Big big love. I've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: mates and family in maub so really thinking of ya.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is really inspiring, but I want to call

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Speaker 1: him like a soft, gentle, inspiring kind of fire. His

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Speaker 1: name is Chris Wilson. He is the founder and creator

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Speaker 1: of yok Yoga. There's a studio here in Talkie but

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Speaker 1: also in Melbourne, and they have a wonderful online studio

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Speaker 1: as well. Chris actually taught me my first ever vinyasa class,

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Speaker 1: and he taught me how to become a yoga teacher

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Speaker 1: and mentored me a lot when I was first starting

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Speaker 1: out as a yoga teacher. Even if you're not into yolks,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll get a lot out of this chat.

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Speaker 1: He talks about leaning into fear, he talks about self trust,

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Speaker 1: and he kind of talks about backing himself, which I love.

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Speaker 1: Chris is super open, he's real, he's passionate, and he's

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Speaker 1: very kind hearted. So I really hope you get a

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Speaker 1: lot out of this chat with Chris Wilson, founder and

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Speaker 1: creator of Yo Yoga. Hello, and welcome Chris Wilson to

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Speaker 1: the pod. I've been pretty excited to get you on

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Speaker 1: this pod. You've been on my dream list for a

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Speaker 1: while now.

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Speaker 2: That's nicey here, Thanks FLA.

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Speaker 1: We've known each other for a fair while too.

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Speaker 2: We have How long has it been now?

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Speaker 1: Well, you taught me to teach you were the first

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Speaker 2: Yo power living. Yep? Was that like two thousand and

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now ago, I was twenty seven and I turned thirty

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Speaker 2: Oh, so that was eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yolks ago, and I remember, so I remember what

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Speaker 1: got me across the line, so you will not remember.

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Speaker 1: You probably laugh when I say this, though, I was

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Speaker 1: a big room yogi girl because I was always about

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Speaker 1: the shred and like the sweat, and I was in

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Speaker 2: Bick was massive in those days, I remember, And.

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Speaker 1: There was a big studio around the corner from and

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Speaker 1: Yoke when it was was it called Union Street originally? Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: and I was doing Bickram and my friend, her name

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Speaker 1: me into your class one. It was like a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: night or so, I don't even know. It was a

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Speaker 1: night class and I'd never done vinyasa before ever. And

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Speaker 1: you played Higher Love by James Vicsmogmorrow.

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Speaker 1: It was like yeah, and I was like, what have

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Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, like three weeks later,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of like, oh, could I do this course?

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Speaker 1: I felt very empowered after that. And then I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure soon after I enrolled to do teacher training with you.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I do remember, actually, I think I actually remember

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Speaker 3: that class with that with what's her what's her name again?

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Speaker 1: Union Street, the studio on Union Street is very beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's got that bal and easy thatch roof kind of feel. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually made in Japan when we first

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Speaker 1: the corner at Hunky Dory. After yogs that, I then

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Speaker 1: Living days? Very early on, you'd get us teaching small

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Speaker 3: Back in those days we had. It was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then I wrote that on my yoga matter. That

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Speaker 1: It's such a good ear, isn't it? Okay? So I

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Speaker 1: fascinated about your journey from going from like being a

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Speaker 3: But it felt very me and personal when I wanted

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Speaker 2: It's a collaboration. So that was what really inspired me.

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Speaker 1: It seems like just from what you said, then your

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Speaker 1: And I've read in the interview where you described yoke

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Speaker 1: And yeah, don't you also think as human beings being

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Speaker 1: serve I had one lesson, But I love being in

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Speaker 1: I just I love being in the ocean. I love

441
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Speaker 1: being in nature. To me, like if I've had a

442
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Speaker 1: day and I'm not near nature or connected to nature,

443
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Speaker 1: like it's the middle of winter as we well it's

444
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Speaker 1: the end of winter as we record this, and still

445
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Speaker 1: at sunset. I walk down to the beach and put

446
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Speaker 1: my feet in the ocean every day, Like there's something

447
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: so is that magical?

448
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Speaker 3: Ah, I don't know what it is, but it's something

449
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: so healing about just dipping your toes in the ocean.

450
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Speaker 3: I don't know, get it, walking out breathing fresh air

451
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Speaker 3: and totally go a serf.

452
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Speaker 2: It's the same thing you know in the water, And.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I need to be surfer which just

454
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Speaker 1: moved to Barron Bay. And just so I one thing

455
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Speaker 1: that you haven't done that I'm almost surprised you haven't done.

456
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Speaker 1: You've done so much amazing stuff, by the way, and

457
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Speaker 1: we I think you and I are pretty similar ages.

458
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Speaker 1: You're like a couple of years.

459
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Speaker 2: Older than me, aren't you forty?

460
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Speaker 1: Are you?

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

462
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Speaker 1: Oh great, I feel wonderful. Right, I'm thirty four for

463
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Speaker 1: like another month?

464
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Speaker 2: All right, okay?

465
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Speaker 1: But health retreat? Have you thought yoga retreat? Have you

466
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Speaker 1: thought about that? I feel like that is like part

467
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Speaker 1: of your dharma or calling.

468
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Speaker 3: I have thought about it good for many, many years,

469
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Speaker 3: and I've actually gone and looked at sites and but

470
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it will happen, but it's something

471
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Speaker 3: that certainly I could feel it be. It would be

472
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Speaker 3: a nice thing to do, you know, to create it.

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Speaker 3: The reason why I wanted to do that was because

474
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Speaker 3: of some of the incredible retreat spaces I've been to

475
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Speaker 3: around the world, and wanting to create something like that

476
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Speaker 3: in Australia seems like there's such a well, I think

477
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Speaker 3: there's already some really good retreat spaces, but nature is

478
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Speaker 3: so beautiful in Australia, and oh yeah, big out amongst

479
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Speaker 3: my nature and doing retreats.

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Speaker 2: Is something pretty special about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, keep me in mind, I'd love to work with

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Speaker 1: you to a retreat, all right, just put my resume

483
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Speaker 1: out there while we're recording, right. I think the reason

484
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Speaker 1: why I feel like one of the reasons why you

485
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Speaker 1: would suit of retreat so much is the way that

486
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Speaker 1: the spaces at your studios have been created Esthetically they

487
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Speaker 1: feel like a retreat. Is the design behind here has

488
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Speaker 1: it got to do a little bit with Arabella, your wife.

489
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Speaker 1: It's got a really nice feel to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she's a fashion designer.

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Speaker 3: She's a creative type, and she's so tuned into the

492
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Speaker 3: creative intuition intuitive knowing she'll come in and just move

493
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Speaker 3: things around and have it feel just comfortable and homely.

494
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Speaker 3: And yeah, she's got to real life for color. And Tim, my.

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Speaker 2: Brother, did the actual architectural design of the split architects. Yeah, yeah,

496
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Speaker 2: there you go. Yeah, did my research.

497
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Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then Bells come in and put

498
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Speaker 3: all the different trinkets around and you know, made it look.

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Speaker 1: This here, especially Talkie to me, this feels like a

500
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Speaker 1: mini retreat. And I've done one of the classes here.

501
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Speaker 1: I think it's a Friday night where you do year

502
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: and then you eat raw cocow after and it feels

503
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: very reminded me of having a little sip of being

504
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: at a health retreat. Like it's got that feel about it,

505
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Speaker 1: and I think this totally is like it feels like

506
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Speaker 1: it's the first step to having a retreat.

507
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Speaker 3: It's also really quiet here as well, which is nice

508
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Speaker 3: and somebody as opposed to the city studios where there's

509
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: that background noise. Yeah, And I think a studio builds.

510
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Speaker 3: I was saying this when I opened up the Fitzroy

511
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: studio and it was very green. Every studio goes through

512
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: this transition. When you practice a lot of yoga in

513
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: the space, it builds. There's something, there's a feeling that

514
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: comes into the space like that pulls you into more

515
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: of a quietness and it feels, you know, that feeling

516
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: of comfort and ease. So I think that has been

517
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Speaker 3: has happened here. I mean, I'm going to throw this

518
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Speaker 3: one out, but I would say because of a lot

519
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Speaker 3: of the yoga and meditation we're practicing here, I think

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Speaker 3: it builds that vibe in the.

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Speaker 1: Space and in your in one of the yoga rooms,

522
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Speaker 1: you've got that big circle window that goes out into nature.

523
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Speaker 1: So as you're practicing, you can be in the warrior

524
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Speaker 1: too for what feels like a very long time, but

525
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Speaker 1: looking out into nature at the same time. And it

526
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Speaker 1: reminds me. There's a retreat in Queenstown called Have you

527
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Speaker 1: been there?

528
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: No? But I remember with the first time we chatted

529
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Speaker 3: about this in Fitzroy. I've been meaning to and I

530
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: almost ran a retreat there once, but I just haven't

531
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Speaker 3: got her out of doing it.

532
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Speaker 1: Well, that's studio space is where the teacher stands at

533
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Speaker 1: the very front of the class is just glass and

534
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: you're just looking out of a Queenstown mountains or think

535
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings basically, and it's exactly that combination

536
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: that you're talking about of like yogs and nature.

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Speaker 3: It would lend itself to just go there and you'll

538
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Speaker 3: dip into the experience.

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Speaker 2: It makes a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: I would say, can I ask, and you probably have

541
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Speaker 1: already answered this, but I just want to ask it.

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Speaker 1: Wind does time.

543
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Speaker 2: Stop for you when there's time stopped?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's going to feel different with your meditation practice,

545
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Speaker 1: So let me just like put it into question, so

546
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: you know when you're doing something you love and time

547
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: can just go and you're like, I've lost three hours.

548
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: What's that for you?

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Speaker 3: I mean to me, time stops when thinking quietens, because

550
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Speaker 3: what happens in the practice of meditation when if thoughts

551
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: sometimes I'll ask people to do this, just notice and

552
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: this is what i'llaugh and do with my morning meditation.

553
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: What you know, the feeling of just being when you've

554
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Speaker 3: done what you need to do and you're just.

555
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Speaker 2: Able to just be.

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Speaker 3: There's a part of us that just being and if

557
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Speaker 3: we rest into like you can do it now, just

558
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: rest into simply being, thinking starts to quieten, and in

559
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Speaker 3: those moments, time doesn't seem to have play a part.

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Speaker 2: But thinking, when thinking.

561
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Speaker 3: Comes in time, it's like, oh, I've got to do

562
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Speaker 3: that there and this back there, and time all of

563
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: a sudden comes alive. So yeah, timelessness seems to arise

564
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Speaker 3: when when resting and meditation, or when you know, being

565
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Speaker 3: and walking or gardening or I.

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Speaker 1: Think also from what you said, it all almost feels

567
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Speaker 1: like it comes from a sense of just being present

568
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Speaker 1: in your purpose as well, because time really psychologically is

569
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Speaker 1: a constrain of our minds. Like we have put this

570
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Speaker 1: constraint on I need to have this done by this

571
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Speaker 1: amount of time. I need to get that done. I

572
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Speaker 1: need to get and we kind of like layer up

573
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Speaker 1: all this crap, really unnecessary stuff where it's.

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Speaker 3: Like it's beneficial though, isn't it, because it helps us

575
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Speaker 3: interact with the world. But the problem is we attach

576
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Speaker 3: too much meaning to it and we cling onto it,

577
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Speaker 3: and that clinging is what causes that. For me, it

578
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: feels constrictive or totally I feel like I haven't got

579
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Speaker 3: enough time, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, totally. I've seen you answer this question already, but

581
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Speaker 1: you never know. It's a new day. I'll see. What

582
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Speaker 1: would you say if you could summon up is your dama?

583
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: So for people that don't know what the word dharma is, yep,

584
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Speaker 1: take it away.

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Speaker 2: Our dama is like our it's the inherent it's that

586
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Speaker 2: which pulls us forward in life, you could say, it's

587
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: our it's the energy that drives our actions, you could say.

588
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: And when we're in alignment with our dama, things feel

589
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: in chune and it feels right, even though it might

590
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: not necessarily feel comfortable. And when we're out of alignment

591
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: with our dama, you know, we might be doing something

592
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: that Okay, I'm earning a lot of money or I'm

593
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: doing this, but it's just like something's ring me up

594
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: the wrong way. So the question was how what brings

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Speaker 3: me into alignment with Dama.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, totally, but I just made made you also

597
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Speaker 1: give a definition of Darma as well. Sorry, good for it.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly listening is one of the main things, because

599
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Speaker 3: without listening, I'm starting thinking. So for me, it's a

600
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Speaker 3: daily practice of listening and feeling and when when when

601
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 3: things feel good and feel in tuned, then that means

602
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Speaker 3: there's something. Okay, this is the right path, this is

603
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Speaker 3: the way I'm moving. I like it.

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Speaker 1: It's a simpler answer than what I thought. For me,

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Speaker 1: I'm like being on a TV set recording a pod,

606
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Speaker 1: like I make this list of things that make me

607
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: feel good, as opposed to kind of like getting to

608
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Speaker 1: the heart of it, which you did in one sentence.

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Speaker 3: So I think yeah, and I think it changes, doesn't

610
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Speaker 3: that Darma?

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Speaker 2: You know you can have it?

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Speaker 3: But sun Copper would be our intention and those are

613
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: really important things to bring in, like what do I

614
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Speaker 3: want to fulfill? And how is how is my intention

615
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: going to bring more of more clarity to this in

616
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Speaker 3: a feeling that's driving me this darma. So I'll definitely

617
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Speaker 3: send intentions and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and I've had teachers get you to set a

619
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Speaker 1: san culpa at the start of her class, right, I

620
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love how to just give me a little bits

623
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Speaker 1: of feedback along the way about classes that I've really

624
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Speaker 1: loved here. In fact, I think it's Nikki that often

625
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: will be like, guys, let's take a moment. Nikki Handling,

626
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Speaker 1: who teachers in Melbourne.

627
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Speaker 2: Yep, she's great, and.

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Speaker 1: She'll be like, let's set a san culpa. And I

629
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Speaker 1: loved it because me being an more analytical kind of mind,

630
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Speaker 1: it helps me to come that ritty. It helps me

631
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Speaker 1: to calm because I've got I've set myself an intention

632
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Speaker 1: and so the rest of the stuff can wait.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: It's a little structure and you can think of a

635
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Speaker 3: song colpa like the banks of a river. So we're

636
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: going to cruise in this direction. The banks are going.

637
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Speaker 2: To guide us. But I like the idea of having.

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Speaker 3: A sun culpa and intention and then just sort of

639
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: letting it go because it's there in the subconscious and

640
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: it'll come in when we need it.

641
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: To bring back. But if we're rigid about as kalpa,

642
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: or it can also.

643
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: Be distractive or so just yeah.

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Speaker 1: Question now for people I get asked this a lot

645
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. People often say, oh, like, I really want

646
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: to try yoga. I really want to do it, but

647
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I can't touch my toes, I'm not flexible, or I'm

648
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Speaker 1: scared that I'm not going to be good enough. I'm

649
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Speaker 1: scared that I'm not going to look the right way.

650
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Speaker 1: How for someone that's got a bit of fear around

651
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: dipping there, toeing the yoga pond, so to speak, what

652
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: would your advice be?

653
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Speaker 3: You know I used to have a script answer for

654
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: this one back in the day.

655
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Speaker 2: I was going to go back to the script, but

656
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Speaker 2: I think I'll be probably a little bit with this.

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Speaker 3: But and that fear is something, there's a deeper longing

658
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Speaker 3: that it's great to see that there's a longing for

659
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Speaker 3: people to get.

660
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Into this practice of yoga.

661
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: And I think the longing comes from, you.

662
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: Know, something's I miss here. I need to explore this

663
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: laugh for people.

664
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: Clearly, I need to get into something that's going to

665
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: bring a sense of clarity that is that I think

666
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: trusting that and moving forward with that, Okay, there's something

667
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: that's pulling me forward. Just trust into that and then

668
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: let fear come up. Let's not try and push away fear.

669
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: It's always going to be there and come in. And

670
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: I mean that's part of the practice when you come

671
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: into a class and you're comparing yourself with others and

672
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: you know, and you're worried about what it looks like

673
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: when I'm trying to touch my toes. I mean, I

674
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: still have those feelings arising. I think they go away,

675
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: So learning to welcome those in, I would say, rather

676
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: than push away the fear.

677
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: I remember because it's a really common question at yoga studios,

678
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: especially when people are thinking about yoga teacher training. And

679
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I remember when Alisha Young was at Power Living because

680
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: you were both my teachers. You tally ran that teacher

681
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: training and someone I remember overhearing at the front of

682
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Power Living in Fitzroy, I want to do teacher training,

683
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: but I'm not very good at yoga. And she'd be like, Lola,

684
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: come over here. I just finished my teacher training. And

685
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: she would say, you know, and here is afraid that

686
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: she's not good enough at yoga. And I was like,

687
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: don't worry, mate, I still can't do a handstand, and

688
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: it would just straight away disarm the person and be like, really, well,

689
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: I can do one. I'm going to be fine. I'm like,

690
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: you're going to be totally fine. And to this day,

691
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: I still can't do a handstand to this day.

692
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: They're overrated. No, they're great. I've had that impulse to

693
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: want to do handstands for a while.

694
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: I think they're good, but once you've done them, I

695
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: mean I don't do them as much.

696
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I love so the teacher training that I just did

697
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: last year with Duncan, Yes, thank you. He loves going

698
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: upside down. This guy loves it. He loves if he

699
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: could spend all upside down. He and I was the

700
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: only one ever. Every day we do about it two

701
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: and a half to three hour practice and a practice

702
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: every single morning, right brutal because he's fire. He teaches

703
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: fire insanely amazing, Like I've never been so fit in

704
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: my life as in the middle of that teacher training.

705
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: But he'd go all right, guys, time to taking mats

706
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: the wall, and I would just be like dreading it.

707
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes we doing crying, like and I'd every time I'd

708
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: try and kick up and I could never kick up,

709
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: even against the wall, and he'd every day he'd always

710
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: be next to me helping me get up. Bless he's

711
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: got socks. But by the end of it, because he

712
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: can do all these crazy flicky like scorpion two wheels

713
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: to hand like circuo sol a style yoga basically, and

714
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: it's every time still be beside me. When I was

715
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: just like I don't want to go upside down today,

716
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: I'd still do it. And that's the thing I think

717
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: yogs is so much more than doing the great pretzel

718
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: pose or being able to do a backbend or which

719
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: is my personal fame. I love a good heart opener,

720
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: or like being able to do a handstand that's like

721
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: to me, that feels like the tip of the iceberg.

722
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: And I think that that's really what drew me to

723
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: doing your teacher training because I'd been doing bickroom for

724
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: two and a half years. I was missing that other bit,

725
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: like I was missing the.

726
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: Heart.

727
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: I was missing the feeding of the soul and the

728
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: self discovery that you kind of keep referring to a

729
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: little bit. And that's what I think the gift of

730
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: what you teach is, and it's like a gift to

731
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: your heart or a discovery of the heart.

732
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: You know, we run a lot of teacher trainings and

733
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 3: I must've run I don't know how many over the years.

734
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: But each time at the start, we'll ask why do

735
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: you get into yoga? And every time and I'm pretty

736
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: sure if you ask most people, it's something that like,

737
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I love the mindfulness practice, or

738
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: I love the clarity that I get, or you know,

739
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: I have strong anxiety and yoga gives me a refuge

740
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: for these a being or something. You know, there's there's all,

741
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: but it's very rarely. I just want to get fit

742
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: in the body and do your hands down, you know.

743
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: And I think you know, all teachers will acknowledge that

744
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: Dunk and Poverty will definitely acknowledge that he's he's a heartfelt,

745
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: soulful you know, that's how he practices. But the arsenal

746
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: is a great gateway in But so yeah, it's funny

747
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: that there is a big focus on it in our practice,

748
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: in our yoga world, but there's no doubt there.

749
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Is something deeper pulling us all. I think.

750
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: One hundred I have one more memory of you and

751
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: I that I wasn't going to share, but I was like,

752
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: as I see here, I'm like, there's something so wonderful

753
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: and honest and open about you that I really admire.

754
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: And I remember after we graduated at Power Living you

755
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: I think you take a few under your wing. I

756
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: don't know. It was like a mentorship kind of thing.

757
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: I am.

758
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was one of the ones under your wing. Ah,

759
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: And we were practicing at Union and I was like,

760
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: I think me and Throouns we all had to take

761
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: turns teaching for like fifteen minutes, and I had you

762
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: in down Dog. I'd probably started thirty seconds in. Do

763
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: you remember this?

764
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: I think this was one of those we used to

765
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: call them, what were they called?

766
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: It was like a drilling kind of thing where.

767
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I remember, I do. I remember the sessions.

768
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: I think I remember the session that you were in.

769
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I put you in and I was so excited,

770
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: but I was so nervous because I really looked up

771
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: to you. You were my favorite teacher. You taught me

772
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: everything I knew when I was I was just really luck.

773
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm going to learn so much.

774
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: So I was so excited, but I was nervous, and

775
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, Okay, down dog and I

776
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: was getting people to like breathe into their feet and

777
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: what not. This was you and a few other teachers

778
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: or US students that were training to be come teachers,

779
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and you said, stop, Lola, I can hear the anxiety

780
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: and your voice. Yeah, And I loved it because it

781
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: called me out so quickly and the way you described

782
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Chris's classes, here are other Chris. You said it with

783
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: such compassion that I was like, oh, like and straight

784
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: away it was the best gift because now every time

785
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: I teach, I check myself and I take a little

786
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: moment and I'm like, you're actually here to serve, Lola,

787
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: You're not here to get in your own way, right,

788
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: And it was the best lesson. It sounds like a

789
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: really weird lesson, but it was really nice because it

790
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: was like this honest compassion that snapped me out of

791
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: my own ego pretty done quickly too.

792
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: I love that you're here to serve, You're not here

793
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: to get in your own way.

794
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: I love that, and.

795
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: That's the trick, right.

796
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

797
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: But ironically, sometimes to serve we have to actually listen

798
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: to the anxieties and the chatters with honesty, just to

799
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: because I know when I'm feeling anxious or nervous about

800
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 3: sharing or you know, even jumping on this podcast, I've

801
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: been feeling a fore a little Oh okay, It's like

802
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: if I try and push them away, then there's just

803
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: more resistance that comes up. And so in order to

804
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: be clear, we actually have to also welcome the feelings

805
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: that are going on inside us totally.

806
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: And I put well, this podcast is called fearlessly failing.

807
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: So I love facing the fear, having the courage learning

808
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: from the failure. I think that's where the magic is.

809
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: That's why I was so interested in to know how

810
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: you came into like the more business side of the Yokes,

811
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: because the two feel like very different skill sets yea,

812
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like they're two different kind of like

813
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: drives or energies. They feel quite different. So it's so

814
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: nice that you've been able to pull the two together

815
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: to offer this service that is Yoke. You know, no,

816
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: thank you, Okay. So when nearly at the end goes fast,

817
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I warned you of that, didn't I What if we

818
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: fast forward time? And I know that's very anti being

819
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: in the present moment, but what if we were to

820
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: look into a crystal ball? How would Chris Wilson. Look

821
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: in five years time, what would you be doing? Where

822
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: would you be Would the retreat maybe be a thing.

823
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: That the retreat is an option? Is that I'm passionate.

824
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: I love Perannier meditation and also collaborating with others. You know,

825
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: that's something I really really loved, compassionate about doing.

826
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: And so in terms of the yoga world.

827
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: Working with other teachers, collaborating is something I want to

828
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 3: do a lot more of and developing, developing an online

829
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: Prennier meditation teacher training at the moment, so that'll.

830
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: Be unrolling.

831
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, potentially I don't know, working with you on

832
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 3: a retreats.

833
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Also, you

834
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: know how you're saying you're really passionate about premium and meditation.

835
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: When you taught me, I remember you being the king

836
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: of anatomy?

837
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh yes?

838
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Is that still is that still a passion? Like when

839
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: you do teacher trainings, are you still in charge of

840
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: the anatomy stuff.

841
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: I think that kind of comes into it. That's the

842
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: nuts and bolts of us and the practice. And it's

843
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: the same thing with the business. You know, you need

844
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: the structure in or to create the freedom. So I

845
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: learned not out of this is effortless. I learned anatomy

846
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: because I had I felt it was really necessary.

847
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of similar with learning traditional philosophy.

848
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: But so I dove headfirst into anatomy and learn it

849
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: as much as I could. And now I feel like

850
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: I've got a good enough hold on anatomy. So I'm

851
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm I'm more interested in saddle body anatomy. And you know, gotcha,

852
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: Pernier arm still has a animy component. There's certainly a

853
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: lot of anatime of the breath, which I'm still learning about.

854
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm learning. I think I mentioned to you

855
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: on the phone yesterday. I'm studying acting, and part of

856
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: acting is voice school, and you literally spend a whole

857
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: class a week just loosening the jaw. And yeah, because

858
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: our Australian accent is a tight, closed, locked jaw, very

859
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: closed off. Sorry, I just covered myself from like very

860
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: closed off, very restricted, which is why we speak kind

861
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: of like this, like, hey, you going, we speak from

862
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: the nose. We don't really was if you're doing an

863
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: American accent, everything's open. It's to the back of the mouth.

864
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: You have to all these exercises to open the mouth up,

865
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: relax the jaw, not use it so much, like let

866
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: it be free and have and the tongue is doing

867
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the work. And it's when you do

868
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: an American accent it feels very spacious.

869
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: I've noticed that Americans, and this might be a major generalization,

870
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: but one thing I noticed is that they're very good

871
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: at articulating themselves, yeah, and explaining concepts and and like

872
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: are these guys are a lot smarter than me.

873
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: And they speak about their feelings a lot, and they're

874
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: very speaking about emotion. But when you before you do

875
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: an American accent class, because I was training an American accent,

876
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: you'll spend five minutes like literally loosening the jaw as

877
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: part of the exercise. And they describe the quality of

878
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: an American accent is silky, whereas they describe the quality

879
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: of an Australian accent is quite closed and quite hard.

880
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: And it's so interesting. And I remember my voice coach

881
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: I walked in, I was like, I love my Australian accent.

882
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose it. And he just started

883
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: laughing and he said, it's the sign of a lazy jaw,

884
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: like an Australian accent is such a lazy draw and

885
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: mouth and tongue. And I was like really, and it's

886
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: like yeah, he's like you're going to have to lose

887
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: it a little bit for us to get the results

888
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: that you need to have a well rounded voice. And

889
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: I was like, man, because voice for me is something

890
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: that's such an important kind of like part and essence

891
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: of you are, Like it's one of the ways that

892
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: we communicate.

893
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm fascinated by that.

894
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: That sounds really I mean, I wonder how that came

895
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: into being, you know, ai was it to do with,

896
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, colonization of Australia and suppression or things like

897
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: that that cause people to start to tighten up and

898
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: not want to share or and.

899
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Think about Australia as well, like Australians you know where

900
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: And this is again this will sound like a general generalization,

901
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: but like tall poppy syndromes, and you never see Australians

902
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: like being like oh, yeah, you know, like I've done

903
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: all this stuff, I've written all these books. You know,

904
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: we don't really speak ourselves, talk ourselves up, or cheerlead

905
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: ourselves or as an American, they'd be like, oh, yeah,

906
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: like I've done all this stuff like that, and we

907
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of like, ah, Americans drink their own kool aid,

908
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: but no, they're just their own kind of cheerlead. Yeah,

909
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: very interesting.

910
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: I dig that about me too. I find that really

911
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: inspirational to go over there and just like yeah, all right,

912
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: let's just let's back ourselves here.

913
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: You know.

914
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: That really encouraging. But it's not just a to me.

915
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: It seems like it's for everyone as well.

916
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: You know.

917
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: I go and done a lot of retreats over there,

918
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: and everyone's like, yeah, you know, supporting you, and you know, yeah.

919
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: It's super supportive. Super I've had a few Americans on

920
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: the podcast and they're like, go, like, you're you a

921
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: good thing and they're like really mind you and You're like, okay,

922
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: I just want to finally, I know, I keep saying,

923
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: well more, but this will be the last, I promise.

924
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about yoga and I'm

925
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: always drawn to, especially in a teacher training, is the philosophy.

926
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: I just and we've touched on it a little bit

927
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: with like san Culpa and Dumba today, if you could

928
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: pinpoint one of your favorite yogic philosophies. What would it

929
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: be and why?

930
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: Hmmm, well, okay, well this is this is this is

931
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: an interesting answer to the question. But one of my

932
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: favorite philosophy teachers was Christiana Maruti, who was one of

933
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: the great mystic scholars, one of the greatest yogis of

934
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: all the time, who actually taught my teacher, Eric Shifman.

935
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: But his philosophy was around losing philosophy. In other words,

936
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: trust your own intuitive understanding. But so to rephrase that

937
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: is it self trust is kind of what he talks about,

938
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: which I really dig even though it's not a traditional

939
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 3: philosophical topic so to speak.

940
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: It's not like the chuck Ras or dharma or whatever it.

941
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: His whole idea is around, okay, use those those vehicles

942
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: of understanding, such as Dharamas and Kulpa, chuck Rose, all

943
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: these different philosophical guidelines that we have, but then don't

944
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: use them. Like you're you're reading a roadmap and you're

945
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: just looking at the map the whole time. Start to

946
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: look up and look at the scenery and feel your

947
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: own body and start to trust your own experience.

948
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: That for me, it was like a big light bulb.

949
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: It's like Okay, this body, this mind, this actual now

950
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: experience is my greatest teacher self trust.

951
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: Self trust can't beat it. And I think when you

952
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: talk about as well, when you get on the map

953
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: and when you meditate as well, even when we're talking

954
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: about timelessness, that feels like self trust right right where

955
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: you just And it's also like when you hear people

956
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: go I knew it in my gut, but I ignored it.

957
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: That's that yes, you know.

958
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think.

959
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: There is a push towards, well, I've found a push

960
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: in my life towards having things figured out, knowing with

961
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 3: the mind, having it, having a logical explanation, all these

962
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: things which are kind of like, I guess, an traction

963
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: in my experience versus just trusting. Feels like a relaxing

964
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: and a softening. And it feels to me like a

965
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: movement from being more head centered to more heart centered,

966
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: and that the heart feels more like it's kind.

967
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Of it's the it's the the engine all of a sudden,

968
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: versus relying on the thinking so much.

969
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: And it feels free. As you say that, that feels

970
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot more freeing to come to me in that space.

971
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: There's no controlling anymore. Yeah.

972
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: Freedom, Yeah, absolutely in that freedom not constrained by preconception.

973
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: It's just moving from what's feeling truthful in each moment,

974
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 3: which again aligns with dharma.

975
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: Ah love it. What a way to end self trust,

976
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: trusting yourself. I love it. Thank you Chris Wilson. You

977
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: are an absolute legend. It's in order to have you

978
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: on and it's just a joy to be in you,

979
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: to be honest. So thank you so much.

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00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lola, big love.

981
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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

982
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

983
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:21,439
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984
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985
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