Speaker 1: Get a Peter Helly here. Welcome to You Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet?
Speaker 2: The Movie podcast, where I chat to a movie lover
Speaker 2: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 2: around to watching until now. And today's guests Comedian Mate
Speaker 2: friend of the show Luke McGregor.
Speaker 3: The first rule of Flake Club is you do not
Speaker 3: talk about fake club.
Speaker 4: Now. It was you afraid of you broke my heart.
Speaker 5: I admire your luck.
Speaker 1: Mister Bond, James Bond couldn't happening right now?
Speaker 6: You Ain't Seen Nothing New?
Speaker 1: What more can I say about Luke McGregor.
Speaker 2: This is his third time on You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet,
Speaker 2: and he is an absolute delight. It's been one of
Speaker 2: my great thrills in the last decade or so to
Speaker 2: see the way audiences have taken to Luke. He is
Speaker 2: such a smart, funny, generous and kind man and performer.
Speaker 1: You know e from rose Haven.
Speaker 2: You may have seen his sex documentary Luke Warm Sex,
Speaker 2: which was really rave, really amazing.
Speaker 1: You would have seen on all the panel.
Speaker 2: Shows Hughsy We've Got a Problem the Project, amongst other things.
Speaker 1: Also, he's doing some great work with.
Speaker 2: Charlie Pickering on the Weekly Now Luke Blow said, Luca
Speaker 2: has been on the show three times. I'll just let
Speaker 2: you know his favorite films before we hear some more
Speaker 2: from Luke. He initially kicked off with Ghostbusters, A Bronx Tale,
Speaker 2: and quite cheekly Sonic the Hedgehog, and then when he returned,
Speaker 2: he did Terminated to Judgment Day, Return to the Dragon,
Speaker 2: and Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: I love hanging with Bloke.
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite people in the industry, a
Speaker 2: great mate, and I'm bloody stoked be hanging with him today.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm lu McGregor, and my seventh, eighth, and ninth
Speaker 3: favorite films are Aliens. Apparently, she sign Alien once would
Speaker 3: be fucking do Lion King the animated One. Obviously you
Speaker 3: have forgotten me and Star Wars The Empire strikes back.
Speaker 1: I love you, I know.
Speaker 3: But up until this week, I had never seen The
Speaker 3: Godfather Part three.
Speaker 2: Made sixteen years after its predecessor, Godfather Coda the death
Speaker 2: of Michael Collione season aging Michael Collone Albacina, of course,
Speaker 2: suffering from diabetes and the ghosts of the past. Michael's
Speaker 2: desire to make the Collione family legitimate plays out in
Speaker 2: this epic. He hopes to do this by getting in
Speaker 2: bed with the Vatican. Surely dealing with the men of
Speaker 2: the cloth will be easier than the mafia men back
Speaker 2: in New York City.
Speaker 1: Be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2: As interesting as the Vatican storyline is, the Godfather Coder
Speaker 2: is about family, about how you can never really escape
Speaker 2: the violent actions and brutal choices of your past. Trilogy
Speaker 2: mainstays Talia Shyer, Connie and Diane Keaton kay Adams have
Speaker 2: more to do here than either of the previous films.
Speaker 2: Newcomer Andy Garcia as Sonny's hot headed son Vincent.
Speaker 1: Is a welcomed edition.
Speaker 2: Fransivil Coppler's daughter and future superstar director Sophia Copla plays
Speaker 2: Mary Michael's daughter and Vincent's creepy crush, and has unfairly
Speaker 2: received mixed reviews for her performance. Nominated for seven Academy Awards.
Speaker 2: The third installment of the Godfather trilogy is often aligned,
Speaker 2: which is a bit of a shame. No, it's not
Speaker 2: in the conversation as the greatest film ever made, but
Speaker 2: most films aren't. If you love parts one and two,
Speaker 2: you really need to give the third a chance. Luke
Speaker 2: McGregor be honest, have you ever stabbed anyone in the
Speaker 2: eye with your glasses?
Speaker 3: They were the sharpest pair of glasses I've ever seen,
Speaker 3: Like that was like an ice pick. They went in
Speaker 3: like I am. You know, I wear glasses and I've
Speaker 3: never thought of them as a self defense tool. They
Speaker 3: were so sharp.
Speaker 1: Well, he must have done it.
Speaker 2: I wondered if he did a little bit of work
Speaker 2: on them, because otherwise, you're right, he would have maybe
Speaker 2: this bounced off the eyeball.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, they're in the neck. They're in the neck.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So they managed to pierce through his throat and then
Speaker 5: just bluttering around. I'm like, oh, surely there was another
Speaker 5: way of doing this that wasn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know it was. It was the sharpest purroglass
Speaker 3: I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen the scene with
Speaker 2: him in the garage, just sharpening, sharpening, the glasses, sharpening something.
Speaker 1: You're not sure what, you know.
Speaker 5: He took the glasses off the guy's head and then
Speaker 5: shoved them into his neck, So my only thought was
Speaker 5: that he would He went to the went to Specsabers
Speaker 5: or something like that and bought the same glass as
Speaker 5: the guy had and then maybe checked, maybe you got
Speaker 5: some ballistic still or something to test them out to
Speaker 5: see if they were sharp enough to do the And
Speaker 5: he's like, oh, great, well this is gonna be fine.
Speaker 5: I've tested it on this sort of martial arts stummy
Speaker 5: that I've bought and they pierced right through, so I
Speaker 5: should be right to stab him.
Speaker 2: He obviously knew the part of the neck as well.
Speaker 2: If you know the parts of the body, the sensitive
Speaker 2: parts of the body to really to really attack, you
Speaker 2: can do some amazing things. Yeah, you know this, You've
Speaker 2: done your karate.
Speaker 3: We've both studied the arts and the blade.
Speaker 1: Spec we are assassins.
Speaker 3: It's it's on that.
Speaker 5: And again I don't know enough about human anatomy to
Speaker 5: know how a person would react to getting stabbed.
Speaker 3: But when in the you know when the assassins and the.
Speaker 5: The opera, yep, and he's killing people like, he's not
Speaker 5: covering their mouth when he kills them, He's just stabbing them,
Speaker 5: and they're like, and then they die silently.
Speaker 1: See the opera, you respect the.
Speaker 3: Perform That's true. I forgot about that.
Speaker 5: I hate it.
Speaker 2: We're talking movies. The same thing happens in the opera.
Speaker 2: Whether you're being stabbed or not.
Speaker 3: It's funny how in movies like this.
Speaker 5: I've absolutely watched a billion films that I haven't picked
Speaker 5: apart that have death stines that aren't realistic, but it's
Speaker 5: it's kind of funny how you like your suspension disbelief
Speaker 5: is obviously you know, when it's different than the director,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it ruins it for you. Like,
Speaker 5: for all I know, maybe punch hit him in the
Speaker 5: lung and that takes all ther windowut of you, so
Speaker 5: you can't you can't scream or whatever.
Speaker 3: But in mind mind I'm just like schurely you go
Speaker 3: our or something.
Speaker 2: Complete with complete silence, silence, complete silence. Now, thank you
Speaker 2: for returning. You are now officially the most guested guests
Speaker 2: we've had on you ain't see nothing yet, I'm on it.
Speaker 3: Why I lucked out?
Speaker 5: Because I chose the Godfather, Someone's going to choose. Someone
Speaker 5: chose Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: Yet not Harry Potter. Think Harry Potter is it classic?
Speaker 3: Probably not yet?
Speaker 1: The books undoubtedly classic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, some people will have I think Ange.
Speaker 2: Bishop told me she hadn't seen Harry Potter, and my
Speaker 2: first thought was, is that is that worthy? Has anyone
Speaker 2: picked Alien Cursey we Beck, We did Alien.
Speaker 3: Okay, so she'll she'll have Aliens, Aliens three and Aliens Resurrection.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the this is the thing at some point,
Speaker 2: like while he's doing Star Wars, so Wiley will return.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 2: We weren't able to organize it for this season. But
Speaker 2: next season he will come back in the Return of
Speaker 2: the Jedi. So that's where he's up to. But that
Speaker 2: does he go do the prequels?
Speaker 1: Does he do? He does?
Speaker 3: It's our infinite podcast content, I know.
Speaker 2: But I feel like by calling Phantom Menace a classic, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a contaminating.
Speaker 5: That's true, because I mean it'd be like, I guess
Speaker 5: if like with Aliens, do you go see Aliens versus Predator?
Speaker 5: Then do you see Predators? Do you see Like there's
Speaker 5: a lot of some films have a lot of spin
Speaker 5: offs that maybe aren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I feel we need to kind of protect
Speaker 2: the integrity of the podcast. I mean, there may be
Speaker 2: people listening to this going come on, it's got Father
Speaker 2: Part three a classic, but I think it deserves a
Speaker 2: conversation and I don't want to know what you think
Speaker 2: of it just yet because I want to come back
Speaker 2: and get all that. But there's three films your seventh, eighth,
Speaker 2: and ninth favorite films.
Speaker 1: Ah, In fact, it was Alien or Aliens.
Speaker 3: I chose Aliens just because I remember as a kid,
Speaker 3: just when Ripley was out in the in the machine,
Speaker 3: in the in the in that sort of mach suit
Speaker 3: forklift thing.
Speaker 5: I was just I thought that was so cool, especially
Speaker 5: after the first one where it was, you know, it's
Speaker 5: almost a horror film, and then the second one was
Speaker 5: sort of almost like a fight back and then Fighting
Speaker 5: the Queen. It was just such a cool sequel.
Speaker 3: Lion King.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to check a animated film in there,
Speaker 5: because obviously they had a huge impact on me growing up,
Speaker 5: and Lion King was probably my hes probably the.
Speaker 3: One I've seen the most. It's only it's only a
Speaker 3: film I've ever bought the soundtrack to on CD. And
Speaker 3: the other one was.
Speaker 1: Independent Films Back.
Speaker 3: I mean that was just yeah, my name is Luke.
Speaker 3: Everything about that film was cool.
Speaker 2: So that actually I have a brother in law, Luke,
Speaker 2: and it actually meant something to him that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the most f miss guy in the world all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, and it was Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 3: My parents named me after Luke Skywalker. Really, yeah they.
Speaker 3: I think it was a mix of Luke Skywalker and
Speaker 3: Luke from the Bible. I think it was. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they so they were big Star Wars fans, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that that helped lead to the decision of
Speaker 3: calling me Luke.
Speaker 2: They also enrolled you in Karate lessons. Did your parents
Speaker 2: hope that you one day would become a Jedi?
Speaker 3: I think they just wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I think they just knew this guy's getting teasted based
Speaker 5: on my appearance. Appearance the way to everything about me was.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's great because it's led to comedy later
Speaker 5: in life, but at the time at school, before I
Speaker 5: was doing stand up, all of it was a negative.
Speaker 1: It was all self defense.
Speaker 2: Well, we are glad you got through all of that
Speaker 2: and you entertained audiences both live on stage and on
Speaker 2: our screens, and we're all the better for it.
Speaker 3: This is do you tell your kids?
Speaker 1: Pete?
Speaker 3: First of all, thank you, That's that's all beair to say.
Speaker 3: Do you tell your kids that?
Speaker 5: Because I used to have a lot of teachers tell
Speaker 5: me school's the best year, this is the best years
Speaker 5: of your life. And I'm like, no, surely not.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever said they're the best years
Speaker 2: of your life, but I've particularly the kids. It was
Speaker 2: hard with my oldest because he went he did, he
Speaker 2: was in lockdown for the final two years right of
Speaker 2: his VC. So I kind of kept the idea that
Speaker 2: those years are actually kind of quite fun years socially.
Speaker 2: But so I've got another one, aid and doing year twelve,
Speaker 2: and I think he's well aware that he's pretty socials.
Speaker 1: He's having some fun.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do try to positive reinforce the idea,
Speaker 2: like you don't get to hang out with your mates
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life necessarily.
Speaker 1: I mean we kind of work in industry where we
Speaker 1: kind of do.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, because I find the post school years
Speaker 3: way better.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything's come up McGregor in the last ten years.
Speaker 5: He let's be honest, true, when I when I worked in,
Speaker 5: when I worked in when I first got out of Union,
Speaker 5: I started working in the government, and then super like,
Speaker 5: really was you catch it with your friends when you can.
Speaker 5: It's like, I did I miss them? I went from
Speaker 5: hanging out with them every day to not hanging out
Speaker 5: with them at all. Unless we really organize something, and
Speaker 5: then thank thankfully I managed to make comedy you know,
Speaker 5: at work. And then now I get to hang out
Speaker 5: with my mates all the time again, which is great.
Speaker 5: But yeah, when I was breaking in super innuation, absolutely
Speaker 5: I did miss them.
Speaker 2: I have fond memories of school, but yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: claim they were the best years.
Speaker 1: Of my life.
Speaker 3: Cool kid at school, I was not well, I was.
Speaker 2: Not cool in inverted commas, I was. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was vice captain of the school. I had pretty popular
Speaker 2: a lot, I had a lot of friends. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: did have a lot of friends, and I am still
Speaker 2: friends with those like that. Those are my still my
Speaker 2: if you like, in a circle. And and yeah, so
Speaker 2: I've kept in touch with all my all my mates
Speaker 2: from school and and you know, sometimes it's it's to.
Speaker 1: Do with the year level.
Speaker 2: You know, like I've seen, you know, you could have
Speaker 2: a year level above you that like that doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be strong friendship groups in that year level. But
Speaker 2: we had a really kind of everyone seemed to get
Speaker 2: along that there was in other year levels. There was
Speaker 2: like genuine tension between what they you know, we called
Speaker 2: referred to as the skips and the wogs back then
Speaker 2: yah know, and then when in our year level, there
Speaker 2: was this kind of like really like I don't know, friendly.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even call it a rivalry. It was like
Speaker 2: we kind of hung out together. It wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: It was a thing. It was like a funny thing.
Speaker 2: Like they would they would tease us about our ship lunches,
Speaker 2: you know, glad wraps and sandwiches. They've got like lasagneurs
Speaker 2: in their containers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of this out to day it was.
Speaker 1: It was I felt like I grew up in a
Speaker 1: good with good people around me as far as a
Speaker 1: peer group. Just on that.
Speaker 3: We had a guide our school who used to bring
Speaker 3: in a chicken, just a roast chicken from the supermarket,
Speaker 3: take it out of the packaging and.
Speaker 5: Put in the microwave without putting it on a plate
Speaker 5: or anything. Oh it's a zappa, and then eat it
Speaker 5: in his lunchbox.
Speaker 1: It was it's a bus move.
Speaker 3: It was about move. He made the microwave pretty gross
Speaker 3: for anyone else.
Speaker 2: I mean, I went to school pre microwave, but we
Speaker 2: didn't ever have a microwave available to the students.
Speaker 3: So with technology brings new problems.
Speaker 1: So let's talk.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think all those films have been covered,
Speaker 2: not Aliens. The original Alien has been covered by Kersey
Speaker 2: Weebeck on this podcast, while he did Empire Strikes Back.
Speaker 2: And our very first episode that kicked this whole thing
Speaker 2: off was with Tom Gleson watching The Lion King. So
Speaker 2: you can go back if you're interested in those films
Speaker 2: and listen to more. Let's get into this. This so
Speaker 2: in many ways controversial film France Ford Coppola. It's made
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety, the year the Pies won the Grand Final,
Speaker 2: and it's sixteen years after Part two. It's co written
Speaker 2: by friends of all cop and Mario Puzzo. Albacina returns, Danketon,
Speaker 2: Tali Shaier. We need to know, Luke McGregor, did you
Speaker 2: enjoy Godfather Part three? The Coder the Death of Michael Collone?
Speaker 3: So I watched I watched an edited version.
Speaker 2: Did I is the version of French for Coppler has
Speaker 2: done recently, I mean maybe two years ago. Now there's
Speaker 2: four minutes difference. It's actually most directors cuts go longer
Speaker 2: because the studio maybe shortened. This actually was shorter, right,
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot that there's some scenes that
Speaker 2: are just shorter. The main differences are the bookends, that
Speaker 2: it starts differently, the meeting with it. So this starts
Speaker 2: with Michael in the Vatican, and that came about thirty
Speaker 2: minutes into the original film, and it started with scenes
Speaker 2: of the lakeside house where Fredo was killed and kind
Speaker 2: of images of that, and then it ended with Michael saying,
Speaker 2: I think the same scene him sitting down, but him dying,
Speaker 2: which it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Have that in this.
Speaker 3: It was sitting alone. Yeah, it doesn't die.
Speaker 7: It was it was.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I think the I think the
Speaker 3: other two, I mean hot take, I probably liked a
Speaker 3: little bit more, but this one was really sad in
Speaker 3: that it was.
Speaker 5: And what made it even more potent was the fact
Speaker 5: that you know his work, you saw him through the
Speaker 5: two films.
Speaker 3: Works so hard.
Speaker 5: It was it was weird, like he was trying to
Speaker 5: chase what I think was like happiness and security and
Speaker 5: family in an industry, you know, in a in that
Speaker 5: world where it's impossible, where it's so uh, you know,
Speaker 5: there's so much risk, and to see his I'm ationmer.
Speaker 5: We can do spoilers on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spoilers, watch watch the film first, and I do
Speaker 2: I do employ you to watch this. It has been
Speaker 2: lots and been I've been guilty of saying it over
Speaker 2: the years. You don't really need to watch three. If
Speaker 2: you love the first two films, wats three and watch
Speaker 2: the Coder version.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: And you know, to see his daughter be shot at
Speaker 5: the end, when everything he's worked towards is taken away
Speaker 5: by a single gun shot on a staircase outside of opera, Like,
Speaker 5: no matter how powerful he became and how much how
Speaker 5: hard he worked, it just you know, just one random
Speaker 5: actla that takes everything away and then he just and
Speaker 5: then the film finishes with him sitting alone, old and
Speaker 5: like it was alf and nothing like it was it was.
Speaker 3: It was really beautiful, really sad.
Speaker 1: That's what I really liked about.
Speaker 2: And I think I think the word coder is an
Speaker 2: important distinction, you know, or something to kind of talk about,
Speaker 2: because this does feel like I think at the.
Speaker 1: Time, people were like, oh, what do you really need
Speaker 1: to do? You know, another Godfather film?
Speaker 2: Surely the story is told, but no, I think and
Speaker 2: in this day and age where Star Wars is doing
Speaker 2: all these spinoff series and and like this feels like,
Speaker 2: of course we want to know what happened to Michael
Speaker 2: Collier and the family. What what are the ramifications of
Speaker 2: being involved with this life. Michael's alive at the end
Speaker 2: of the end of part two, like what does his
Speaker 2: life look like? What does Connie's life look like? I
Speaker 2: really love that in this that Connie has more agency,
Speaker 2: Like she is almost a bit of the puppetmaster here.
Speaker 2: She is pulling string. She's, you know, kind of she
Speaker 2: knows what Michael did. I think with Freido, but she
Speaker 2: doesn't say that that loud. She even refers to a drowning.
Speaker 2: And that's the other reason why I think this film
Speaker 2: is necessary in a way, because to see the guilt
Speaker 2: that Michael still has, and even like the idea that
Speaker 2: that Mary's asking Vincent, is it true?
Speaker 1: Did Michael did my dad kill.
Speaker 5: When he breaks down in front of the priest and
Speaker 5: you just see it all sort of hit him and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's his decline, you know, it's his if The
Speaker 5: first and was the rise, and then the second film
Speaker 5: was sort of him sort of conquerting his position, and
Speaker 5: then the third film was his decline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a really important part of his journey.
Speaker 8: This.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really really enjoyed it. But it's just so sad,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't make me wonder.
Speaker 5: I've always wondered with what you know with that life
Speaker 5: where it is you know it's this crime and you
Speaker 5: know you're doing things that are legal and people.
Speaker 3: Are dying, Like what do you hold on to to
Speaker 3: keep you?
Speaker 5: Because I feel like, oh, humans pursue happiness in some
Speaker 5: form or another, so what's their moments of joy?
Speaker 3: And and they're so fleeting, But I guess you're trapped.
Speaker 3: And I can't believe that. I never knew that. That
Speaker 3: line pulled me back in from Godfather Part three.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before, possibly on this podcast. It's maybe
Speaker 2: outside of he made him an offer you can't refuse. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably the line that you think of the most.
Speaker 2: But I think after that, it's that line and that
Speaker 2: let's have a listen to that scene.
Speaker 4: New over th St. That's natural something. How can you
Speaker 4: do business with It's gonna meat market?
Speaker 9: Like, I'm a businessman first foremost, I want to no
Speaker 9: further comfort with him.
Speaker 7: You tell them from me that he can live or
Speaker 7: he can die.
Speaker 1: Vincent with your stop.
Speaker 4: Stage, Jersey State Believe and the NB I aportant off
Speaker 4: the ability record. You're possible, that's it.
Speaker 8: You always also, you can't be doing this. Not just
Speaker 8: when I thought I was out, they pulled me.
Speaker 2: Back in and then a diabetic attack, which I think
Speaker 2: is a I can lovely touch that. As powerful as
Speaker 2: Michael Coleone is, he's not immune to nature in a
Speaker 2: way and his own bodies capabilities.
Speaker 3: I always get reminded of It.
Speaker 5: Was really cooled hit that line too in the original,
Speaker 5: because all I've heard is the you know, the memes
Speaker 5: of all the references to it.
Speaker 3: To actually hear it for the first time was amazing.
Speaker 5: It might be in was it Ben Affleck that film
Speaker 5: Towns or the Town, The Town, and there's this he's
Speaker 5: talking to a guy who's sort of threatening him in
Speaker 5: a floral shop, I think, and Benefflex says, what you
Speaker 5: think you're the only guy with a gun, And then
Speaker 5: I always I always think about that watching these films,
Speaker 5: because they're as powerful as these people are. One stray
Speaker 5: gunshot and they're dead or someone they loves dead, and
Speaker 5: you don't need a lot of money to acquire one.
Speaker 3: In America.
Speaker 5: You know, they're just they're so vulnerable, but they must
Speaker 5: get a feeling of invincibility. They must start to feel
Speaker 5: like they're untouchable. And then and then this film sort
Speaker 5: of really beautifully just you know, rips it away from
Speaker 5: him one in terms of just his declining health. His
Speaker 5: body isn't doing what he wants it to do. And
Speaker 5: then to see his daughter, you know, which is the
Speaker 5: one along with his son, Ray of Sun John he's
Speaker 5: got left gone.
Speaker 3: It's just it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Well, I loved about that scene as well as a
Speaker 2: lovely touch of having him say to Vincent when he
Speaker 2: yells at Vincent for it interrupting, which is a lovely
Speaker 2: It's consistent with the way the family operates. You may
Speaker 2: remember in the First Godfather, when Sonny talks during one
Speaker 2: of the meetings that he's having and Marlon Brando, you know,
Speaker 2: they shuts him down and apologizes and says to me,
Speaker 2: I spoil my family. Sometimes they don't know when to
Speaker 2: listen and when to shut up. And so that was
Speaker 2: a nice touch. What did you think of Andy Garcia
Speaker 2: as Vincent? So Vincent's dad's Sonny's son, but his mother
Speaker 2: is the bridesmaid that Sonny had the affair with right
Speaker 2: in the first like they go to the bathroom and
Speaker 2: they have sex in the bathroom, and then he visits
Speaker 2: her again during the movie, I think, just before he
Speaker 2: gets assassinated. So that's he's like the bastard son Light
Speaker 2: and that's why he hasn't had maybe a lot to
Speaker 2: do with with Michael up until this point.
Speaker 1: So what did you think of Andy Garcia?
Speaker 5: I means is amazing, but it was, it was really
Speaker 5: it was really interesting seeing him. Alputina's character had wanted
Speaker 5: to go straight and you had this other one who
Speaker 5: wanted revenge and was that same sort of hot head
Speaker 5: he was when he was younger.
Speaker 3: But what I was confused by was so he is
Speaker 3: cousins with Sophia Coppler's character.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So did Michael not want them to get together
Speaker 5: because it was gross or because it was dangerous or both?
Speaker 1: Thought, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: And you know, because it's it illegal, it's illegal to
Speaker 3: have marry your cousin in Australia.
Speaker 1: Rights your Tasmanian discuss this on the mainland. It's certainly
Speaker 1: I think it's illegal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because and the risk is of birth defects, right, Yes,
Speaker 5: I think yes, which is a funny one because I
Speaker 5: do wonder if, like, if let's say there was absolutely
Speaker 5: zero genetic issue with marrying your your your sister or brother,
Speaker 5: whether it's solely to protect the offspring, is why assume
Speaker 5: that's what.
Speaker 1: It's Wait, weakens the gene pool, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: I think so, I don't know how any medical knowledge
Speaker 5: around it, and I've got two brothers, so it's going
Speaker 5: to be possible for us.
Speaker 1: You never know, that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, science is amazing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I was a little bit confused by that
Speaker 5: because I'm just like, I wonder if that's as much
Speaker 5: of a faux pa back then and culturally as it
Speaker 5: is over here now.
Speaker 2: It is, because my instant reaction was, what was that's
Speaker 2: a bit gross? Yeah, but you're right, Michael. Michael doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily it feels like he's saying it more from a
Speaker 2: protection point of view, like it's it's too it's too dangerous.
Speaker 3: You're bringing her into our world. Our world is too dangerous,
Speaker 3: as opposed to.
Speaker 1: Just yuck, no, Vincent, what you're related?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You related? Mate, It's it's gross. You can't.
Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about this behind your back all the family functions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's embarrassing. Yes, it's dangerous, but it's more it's
Speaker 3: more embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I like Andy Garcier, I like Vincent as a character.
Speaker 1: I like the idea that I think you touched on
Speaker 1: it that Michael starts out and got father one not
Speaker 1: wanting anything to do with the family business. And I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: You know, Kay kind of brings that up later on
Speaker 2: and we'll get to those discussions soon. But I like
Speaker 2: that as opposed to what Michael was, because Vincent is
Speaker 2: Sonny's kid, like he wants in, you know. Michael's trying
Speaker 2: to get out and make the you know, and get
Speaker 2: out of the business. And he says, I don't want out,
Speaker 2: you know, I want in. And I think that's as
Speaker 2: a point of difference. He's really good and also he's
Speaker 2: really good at what he does, which is always attractive
Speaker 2: on screen. Let's have a listen actually to Andy garcia
Speaker 2: in action when he's with Bridge at Fonder, who plays
Speaker 2: Grace Hamilton, and we don't actually see after this, which
Speaker 2: is they don't explain in a thing about that, but
Speaker 2: she's probably understandable that she's had a pretty scary experience
Speaker 2: journalist is that she's a journalist. I suspect that maybe
Speaker 2: there's something in the original script that where this was
Speaker 2: was heading. But because it feels like setting her up
Speaker 2: as a journalist feels like that it could have been
Speaker 2: a plot point.
Speaker 5: It feels like you could delete her entire plot line,
Speaker 5: just have a you know, just have him in bed
Speaker 5: and then there's an attempt on his life and he
Speaker 5: stops it. Yeah, I don't understand what her role like.
Speaker 5: I think she's amazing actor obviously, but if you feel
Speaker 5: like her story was had no impact on the plot whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It really felt like they were setting up her up
Speaker 1: to be somebody in this world. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought you'd have a I thought you'd
Speaker 3: be a main player in the story.
Speaker 5: I thought, or maybe she'd expose them later on, or
Speaker 5: like they'd fall in love and maybe her journalistic intiguity
Speaker 5: would go against opposing some she's fall in love with.
Speaker 5: I thought it was gonna be a whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, or maybe she was reporting on the Vatican deal
Speaker 2: ye shading this of it and then maybe you know,
Speaker 2: be a huge plates and had to kill her or something,
Speaker 2: you know, like something that that felt like it could
Speaker 2: have been a more interesting angle.
Speaker 1: But he's in bed with Grace.
Speaker 2: Played by Bridge of Fonda, and let's just give a
Speaker 2: shout out also to Andy Garcia's chest hair. I mean
Speaker 2: that's that is a dark.
Speaker 3: Beast like it's like a like another blanket on the bed.
Speaker 1: It really, it's like a weighted blanket.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's a two men break in and Vincent
Speaker 1: deals with it.
Speaker 4: Come on, let her go?
Speaker 3: Could talk?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: What did you say?
Speaker 7: He said?
Speaker 4: Kind of fucking throll? Okay, man, he's gonna cut a drop.
Speaker 1: Put You're fucking crazy, I know, but you have God
Speaker 1: got her?
Speaker 7: What the fuck do act?
Speaker 4: He got no choice? Man, the chick's gonna be dead.
Speaker 7: You hurt her and I kill you both.
Speaker 4: You give up that knife. I let you go?
Speaker 7: You could, he told me right there right, I want
Speaker 7: to do something.
Speaker 4: To convince you.
Speaker 1: Don't get fine, don't do any sudden.
Speaker 4: Let's just watch me, all right.
Speaker 3: Do you hear what I said?
Speaker 5: Okay? Oh, sh.
Speaker 1: Rap the nuts.
Speaker 3: Ahead, stop it, good boy.
Speaker 4: Sit down.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you.
Speaker 7: It's a wise choice.
Speaker 1: Sit down.
Speaker 4: I want to talk to lose a mess.
Speaker 7: Relax, have a smoke, you smoke. Whose idea was this
Speaker 7: who's sench Come on, tell me who sent Take a
Speaker 7: good look at this guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who sent you? Joey's O.
Speaker 2: No, Well, that coughing and splurring. He probably should need
Speaker 2: to do a COVID test.
Speaker 3: I think smoking kills.
Speaker 1: That's the lesson.
Speaker 3: That was the hanging fruit that I went for.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it was a really cool scene, but yeah,
Speaker 5: she was sort of introduced and then you just never heard.
Speaker 2: From Reagon, maybe because we know, maybe it was a
Speaker 2: less I thought, maybe your own actress like that. She's
Speaker 2: the biggest, you know, starting and I forget because obviously
Speaker 2: she does single white female and she you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure that was before or after this, but it
Speaker 2: was almost by the time I had seen it. It
Speaker 2: was kind of distracting that it was her, at least
Speaker 2: at the point where like she's going to be somebody,
Speaker 2: and then when she's not and she's not really mentioned
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 1: It was probably weird, I.
Speaker 5: Guess it just it just set up a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff where you know, she was trying to get an
Speaker 5: interview with or trying to talk to Michael with the
Speaker 5: card and you're like, okay, so she just and they
Speaker 5: started to fall for each other. There's just a lot
Speaker 5: of things that looked like they were going to play
Speaker 5: out somehow, and then all of a sudden she's got,
Speaker 5: you know, this life changing experience, near death experience, and
Speaker 5: you're like, okay, has this going to what's this going
Speaker 5: to do to the relationship?
Speaker 3: And how is this? How are they going to be
Speaker 3: able to come back from this?
Speaker 5: You know, I'd be pretty pissed if someone told me,
Speaker 5: if someone knew there was Assassin's in the house and
Speaker 5: tom me to go get a water, like send me
Speaker 5: out his bait like sils And I talked about this
Speaker 5: on Rosehaven, like can you come back from someone jumping
Speaker 5: behind you in a robbery like using it as a
Speaker 5: human shield, which is essentially what he did. I thought
Speaker 5: this was going to be a whole thing, and then
Speaker 5: there's just nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a great Norwegian film called Forced Desure and
Speaker 2: which is about which they made a remake and an
Speaker 2: American remake with Will Ferrell and Julie Luis Dreyfus.
Speaker 1: I think they call it Damn four or something, and
Speaker 1: which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: But the original Norwegian film is about the family on
Speaker 2: a ski holiday and they're having breakfast out on the
Speaker 2: decking of his ski resort, and this avalanche kind of
Speaker 2: comes down and the dad just gets up and runs,
Speaker 2: leaving his family behind. It's about them getting over and
Speaker 2: then then everything's okay and he is kind of walk
Speaker 2: back in and go.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a bit weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: It's about the family, and more so the moum his
Speaker 2: wife kind of going like, what do you do when
Speaker 2: your partner.
Speaker 1: Leaves you? She leaves you to die, but then you
Speaker 1: don't die.
Speaker 5: There's a whole section of our personality that most of
Speaker 5: us will never ever know, like some sort of life
Speaker 5: in this situation where you you know, might grab your
Speaker 5: partner and put them in front of you or something,
Speaker 5: or will you just run and leave them to save yourself,
Speaker 5: Like and even though we all I think we wouldn't
Speaker 5: do that, we'll never know because we'll probably never been,
Speaker 5: especially hopefully you hopefully never know whether you know, will
Speaker 5: never been a bank robbery or an avalanche or things
Speaker 5: like that where it's just like, you know, you hope
Speaker 5: you're not someone who saves yourself, but you know you
Speaker 5: might be dating someone right now who would happily throw
Speaker 5: you in front of her a moving bust to save themselves.
Speaker 3: But you'll just never know.
Speaker 2: Something about Andy Garci's performance. All Andy Garcia's films he does.
Speaker 2: He's got a great smile, and he can smile in
Speaker 2: the most where on paper it looks like you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be smiling. Yeah, you know, like when he's introduced. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure I you've seen The Untouchables, which is a
Speaker 2: film that I absolutely adore and love, and I've seen
Speaker 2: many times when he's introduced and Sean Connery is like
Speaker 2: racially racially abusing him basically, and he's just smiling almost
Speaker 2: throughout until he doesn't until he goes okay, that's enough
Speaker 2: and he takes action. But he's when he's threatening, he
Speaker 2: can still smile his way through it. There's something, really
Speaker 2: I'm struggling to think of another actor who who does.
Speaker 2: I think it's quite unique to Andy Garcia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's one of those actors that looks like
Speaker 5: there's more going on. Yeah, meets the eye, he's Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's I feel like a lot of the the best
Speaker 5: of the best do it. But yeah, it just where
Speaker 5: it looks like this, you know, machinations playing out and
Speaker 5: small movements and things like that. It's one of the
Speaker 5: things I always wonder with writing is how you can
Speaker 5: have a You can say I want to keep this
Speaker 5: mysterious or this character mysterious. But the difference between a
Speaker 5: character that's mysterious and a character that just isn't very
Speaker 5: well written and has a lot of gaps. It's a
Speaker 5: tricky line to walk. But you know, an actor like
Speaker 5: him can can you can bring a lot to only
Speaker 5: a small amount of story or things like that. You
Speaker 5: get it because he has so much gravitas.
Speaker 2: And there's always a trick when you when you think
Speaker 2: you're writing, you do want the audience to have questions
Speaker 2: in their head. Yeah, yeah, Like you don't want the
Speaker 2: audience to be writing alongside you. You need to be
Speaker 2: ahead of your audience so they're kind of thinking okay.
Speaker 2: But I think particularly in films and like drama, I
Speaker 2: guess you know, you want to be thinking like who's
Speaker 2: That's why sometimes movies do start mysteriously and you're.
Speaker 1: Going to think like why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: And you're not supposed to know straight away, But there
Speaker 2: is a line of like where if you have too
Speaker 2: many questions, then it becomes confusing. You feel lost and
Speaker 2: then you kind of start giving up on the film.
Speaker 2: So it is a fine balance.
Speaker 3: It's I always think about how.
Speaker 5: With Lord of the Rings talk and spend so much
Speaker 5: time sort of flishing at the Law. But and then
Speaker 5: so his world feels like it's consistent, it has rules
Speaker 5: that you can sort of understand, whereas I read another
Speaker 5: book and maybe I won't tell the author, but I
Speaker 5: don't know bag them out. But I read one of
Speaker 5: their books.
Speaker 1: Where it was there'll be a Frankie fishbook.
Speaker 5: No, but there obviously I know you spent a lot
Speaker 5: of time with the Law, but it was it was
Speaker 5: the same sort of you know, magic, saucery, fantasy, that
Speaker 5: sort of stuff, but there was no It feels like
Speaker 5: they were making up what magic did and the rules
Speaker 5: as they went along.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel like I had any consistency.
Speaker 5: And you can you can tell even though you knew
Speaker 5: about the same amount of the world as you did
Speaker 5: Lord of the Rings. But Lord of Rings felt like
Speaker 5: it had a cohesion, a congruency with everything.
Speaker 3: I don't know it was. Yeah, I feel like you
Speaker 3: can tell when the author doesn't know what they did
Speaker 3: where they're going with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the elephant in the room when we talk about
Speaker 2: Godfather Pat three is Sophie Coppola's involvement. So she was
Speaker 2: a last minute replacement for Winona writer had gone to Rome,
Speaker 2: was supposed to film this and basically passed out in
Speaker 2: her hotel room through exhaustion. She was, I mean, weinarda
Speaker 2: writer was hot at this point. I think she just
Speaker 2: come off Mermaids with Share. Was dating Johnny Depp at
Speaker 2: the time. That was the famous you know, Whino Forever.
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp had a tattoo, were known Forever. Then they
Speaker 2: split up. He got to change to Whino Forever. We
Speaker 2: went delve too much into Johnny depths to relationships at
Speaker 2: another podcast it's another counter Worms, it's another podcast. But
Speaker 2: pulled out and because she was sick or what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just just was exhausted.
Speaker 2: France for Coppola is in a bind and then casts
Speaker 2: his daughter, who had I think I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: much I think she really even wanted to be an
Speaker 2: actual She had some interest, but like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not it wasn't necessarily working towards that. Obviously, she becomes
Speaker 2: this amazing director. Most of the criticism of Godfather Pat three,
Speaker 2: a lot of it focuses I think really unfairly on her.
Speaker 2: She wins like razzies, you know which I feel like
Speaker 2: rais is a fun when you give them to like
Speaker 2: Sylvesister Lione, or you give them to you know, you know,
Speaker 2: Arnie or something like that. I feel like giving it
Speaker 2: to some very cobble under these circumstances is punching down
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Did a good job?
Speaker 1: Didn't?
Speaker 5: It didn't because I didn't know any the history of
Speaker 5: the film before. I didn't know that she was known
Speaker 5: as someone who was a bad actor in it. Thought
Speaker 5: so to me watching it, I just thought she was great.
Speaker 5: And I think it helped too that she had she
Speaker 5: had really good actors around her, So even if she
Speaker 5: didn't have a lot of experience, it didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought I thought she kept up
Speaker 3: with everyone.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought she completely it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think I think it's not
Speaker 2: helped by the eakiness of the storyline. And in a way,
Speaker 2: because she's the one Mary's the one who is coming
Speaker 2: on to Vincent and being you know, like back in
Speaker 2: you know, we go back, you know, thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: it probably felt ickyer for audiences then you know, like
Speaker 2: they cousins. It's the woman, you know, coming on to
Speaker 2: the man. I think there are a number of things
Speaker 2: that would have led people to kind of be put off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like criticizing her rather than.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and knowing the nepotism of but Talia Shay is
Speaker 2: related here, you know, like to you know, in fact,
Speaker 2: Talia Shai Connie, who plays Mary's auntie, is actually Sep
Speaker 2: Coppler's auntie and in real life.
Speaker 1: But I feel like like.
Speaker 2: Coppler coups so much for like the nepotism of this,
Speaker 2: but like so many people in Hollywood aren't connected, Like
Speaker 2: Nick Cage is a Coppola.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you never kind of hear that a lot
Speaker 3: of these And there are absolutely people who've worked hard
Speaker 3: and reached the top just through you know, liking grit
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah, but there are also a hell
Speaker 3: of a lot of people who've been successful who are
Speaker 3: extremely well connected.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really I thought she was great, especially in
Speaker 3: the scene where you know Andy Garcia first you know,
Speaker 3: sort of breaks it off and she's really of like
Speaker 3: you really sort of feel her pain and that she
Speaker 3: was I thought she was brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really I really liked her and thought, I
Speaker 2: think under the circumstances, yeah, I'm like I said, you're
Speaker 2: watching it claim without knowing any of this, and you
Speaker 2: really loved her performance.
Speaker 1: And I think.
Speaker 2: Once we even know the circumstances, she kind of came
Speaker 2: in at the last minute, which basically a non actor.
Speaker 3: Makes it makes it makes it even better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a really strong performance.
Speaker 5: She's you know, these are some of the regarded these
Speaker 5: some of the people she's reading with regard to some
Speaker 5: of the best actors of all time, and I think
Speaker 5: she did a Yeah. The fact that she's able to
Speaker 5: keep pace with them on her you know, on this
Speaker 5: set of what I imagine was a very nerve wracking
Speaker 5: shot where you've got your dad directing and you're having
Speaker 5: to fill in the last minute.
Speaker 3: So she killed it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: She probably thinks that various times that did we have
Speaker 2: to be related? God, do wonder if you took that
Speaker 2: character out? And this is not no reflection on a
Speaker 2: couple of bit. More so, what we're talking about before
Speaker 2: about the bridget Fonda's character that if you kind of
Speaker 2: go along that way, Michael could still have that conversation
Speaker 2: about like, you can't you got to give up this relationship.
Speaker 2: There might be because a lot of it is about family,
Speaker 2: So I'm acknowledging that.
Speaker 5: So it's almost that they were sort of forced into that,
Speaker 5: right because if he if he wasn't family, then he
Speaker 5: couldn't ascend to the top of the chain.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have been able to take on.
Speaker 1: The role of yeah, as godfather and so.
Speaker 5: And so if it was his it was, if it
Speaker 5: was just a guy outside of it dating the daughter,
Speaker 5: that wouldn't have worried it needed to be both right
Speaker 5: that he needed to be in love and related for
Speaker 5: the for the stakes to be what they were. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: because if he was to say to someone to do
Speaker 5: this life, you have to say goodbye to that, like,
Speaker 5: he couldn't make that because he never did. She left
Speaker 5: him and he lost it, so he would. The only
Speaker 5: reason he was able to do it is because he
Speaker 5: that's his daughter and he said, I'll do this if
Speaker 5: you let her.
Speaker 3: I don't know it it was the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's confusing and maybe that and maybe that was part
Speaker 5: of it why it was film was criticized this because
Speaker 5: it didn't have that. It wasn't quite as clear narratively
Speaker 5: exactly what was well.
Speaker 2: I think those two things going on. There's the whole
Speaker 2: Vatican deal, which you want something like that happening, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really interesting area to look at.
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, the Vatican, the Vatican owned the real estate
Speaker 2: the Paramount Pictures was actually on right and fanciful complot.
Speaker 1: That had no idea about this.
Speaker 2: I think he only found out maybe whilst a film
Speaker 2: we were after the old filming, or even since they
Speaker 2: have filmed, which is an interesting tip. It's not the
Speaker 2: most fascinating part of it, I think it is. I
Speaker 2: think when they start talking about you know when I
Speaker 2: love that, Freda kind comes up. And this is why
Speaker 2: I think actually starting with the Vatican deal is much
Speaker 2: better than leading with the Freda stup. I like that
Speaker 2: this comes into it. I think the first time, maybe
Speaker 2: I might be wrong, but the first time you hear
Speaker 2: about Fredo is when Mary asked Vincent about is it
Speaker 2: true that my dad killed Fredo? Yeah, it may come
Speaker 2: up before then, but certainly when when they're in Sicily,
Speaker 2: it's it becomes largely about that so I don't think
Speaker 2: you need it. I don't think Francis for a couple
Speaker 2: of needed to lead with it. I think it's such
Speaker 2: a big thing in the Godfather world. You know that
Speaker 2: Michael ordered the murder of his brother. Yeah, that you
Speaker 2: don't have the strong arm it into the story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially when they talk about family so much and
Speaker 5: then he killed one of his own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It was, I think, and I really feel like an
Speaker 5: asshole bagging at Godfather Part three because obviously it's you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's an amazing film, but I.
Speaker 1: Guess one of them, you're not the first person.
Speaker 5: One of the things that bugged me little is that
Speaker 5: it did feel like a lot of its threads weren't
Speaker 5: necessarily maybe as tightly connected as they could have been.
Speaker 5: Like it feels like you could probably take out the
Speaker 5: bad Can deal and just have him be at war
Speaker 5: with the guy in New York. Maybe he's trying to
Speaker 5: like they feel that there was like the fact that
Speaker 5: he had a bigger baddie and the Vatican. Actually, what
Speaker 5: I thought like ruined the stakes with what I thought
Speaker 5: was being set up to be the villain who you
Speaker 5: cared about, which was this is the guy who was
Speaker 5: running new things in New York and was all about
Speaker 5: that life while Michael's trying to be not about that life.
Speaker 5: That felt like, okay, that's going to be an interesting
Speaker 5: but then they just dismissed him and said, oh no,
Speaker 5: we've got a bigger enemy, which was the Vatican, which
Speaker 5: was just done in phone calls, and you had no
Speaker 5: personal stakes in these people.
Speaker 2: They were just Yeah, I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 2: I mean that shootout scene that the ambush is brilliant
Speaker 2: when he leaves, follows him out.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh wow, I wonder how he organize that,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, he didn't. It was these guys.
Speaker 3: It was his precy haven't torried about since the start.
Speaker 5: It took a lot of the oh, like I stopped
Speaker 5: caring at the end, yeah, because I was just like,
Speaker 5: these guys have no connection, They're just these guys are
Speaker 5: just a business deal.
Speaker 3: They're a contractor.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good point.
Speaker 2: And behind the scenes, France for a couple is frustrated
Speaker 2: that he only had six six weeks to write this
Speaker 2: Paramount wanted it out for a Christmas release. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: well nine ninety so imagine imagine writing and directing and
Speaker 2: producing these two watershed movies that are considered the absolute
Speaker 2: you know, at the top end of cinema, like the
Speaker 2: greatest film's ever made. They're in that conversation and then
Speaker 2: he under a third installment and they say, you've only
Speaker 2: got six months to write or six weeks to write
Speaker 2: six weeks.
Speaker 3: Knowing that he only had a month and a half
Speaker 3: to write it.
Speaker 1: That explains what I think this film is genius.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because six weeks to write. I mean, what
Speaker 3: do we spend on Rose Heaven per episode? Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: two to four weeks i'd say per episode. The fact
Speaker 3: that he wrote this film that holds up as well
Speaker 3: as it does in six weeks, that's I mean, this
Speaker 3: guy's an absolute genius. Yeah, like if he had twice
Speaker 3: that you know. Yeah, I take back of my criticisms.
Speaker 3: Godfather p. Three is the work of absolute genius.
Speaker 2: And I imagine franch for Coppola wanted to get to Sicily.
Speaker 2: It feels right, yeah that they go to Sicily and
Speaker 2: they do this, Yeah, largely because of you know, the
Speaker 2: business that the Vatican and also you know, Anthony is performing,
Speaker 2: which it's a lovely two people who work in the arts.
Speaker 2: It's a lovely element to it, like having to go
Speaker 2: to your dad and say, you know, Kate does it,
Speaker 2: you know for him, but to say, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to follow in your footsteps. He he you know,
Speaker 2: he wants to sing. And this is how Michael would
Speaker 2: react to it because he never wanted to be part
Speaker 2: of the family business. So in a way, his son
Speaker 2: is taking after him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: That was a sort of unnecessary. It felt like there
Speaker 5: was an extra step there, and that Michael didn't want
Speaker 5: him in crime. And he's like, okay, great, well I
Speaker 5: want to be a singer, and Mike's like, I want
Speaker 5: you to be a lawyer as a safet him. Like, Michael,
Speaker 5: you're one of the richest people on earth.
Speaker 3: You can afford for your son to be in the arts. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't know why you need him to have a
Speaker 3: backup lawyer job.
Speaker 2: You're not reading the papers checking out government funding for
Speaker 2: the like you're sweating on elections.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're he's gonna be fine no matter what, Like
Speaker 5: he could just live off. So that was like another
Speaker 5: extra element of I don't know why he's worried about
Speaker 5: him not being a lawyer when as long as he's
Speaker 5: doing something much lucky.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he wanted that that connective tissue like kind
Speaker 2: of like because it would have put him somewhere in
Speaker 2: the middle, like not not necessarily dealing with the crime
Speaker 2: and not being part of the murky world of the crime,
Speaker 2: but still that's still connected to the family business where
Speaker 2: they can he can look after the family without getting
Speaker 2: his hands dirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That's that's true.
Speaker 2: I do like that he comes he comes around, and
Speaker 2: it's not doesn't become a real focus of the film.
Speaker 1: But he's fighting this. There's too many other things going on.
Speaker 5: It's quite a lovely moment when he just looks and
Speaker 5: it's lovely to see him proud of his suddenly. He
Speaker 5: did make that scene where he's in the sun watching
Speaker 5: his hit Harder, knowing that he was against it at first.
Speaker 5: But it's just it was just strange, I guess, because
Speaker 5: it would be like, you know, Jeff Bezos saying to
Speaker 5: his son, I.
Speaker 3: Don't don't be a singer.
Speaker 5: You know what if you run it, what if it
Speaker 5: doesn't pay enough, He's going to be okay, He's got you.
Speaker 1: He wasn'tying. It was not saying that.
Speaker 2: I like that they did start of the wedding, you know,
Speaker 2: it becomes a Godfather kind of tip of the hat
Speaker 2: and Johnny Fontaine being back, and I quite liked as well.
Speaker 3: Did I did I miss?
Speaker 1: Am?
Speaker 3: I remembering wrong? Did Harvey? Who was the lawyer?
Speaker 1: So Robert de Val did he?
Speaker 3: He didn't die.
Speaker 1: He did not die. There's a quick reference in this
Speaker 1: that he died.
Speaker 3: There is, Yeah, he just couldn't. He couldn't do the film, or.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't do it because of money dispute. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of right, there's a lot of dispute about cash
Speaker 2: going into this film. So al Pacino wanted seven million dollars,
Speaker 2: they were offering five million. Okay, he wasn't He was
Speaker 2: almost not going to do it, And Francois A Coupler said, well,
Speaker 2: would have started with a with Michael, And I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sure what happens to the rest of the film because
Speaker 2: Michael sounds pretty important.
Speaker 3: Still, there's a lot of minutes. Really it sounds like
Speaker 3: a bluff to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really does sound like a bluff. But al
Speaker 2: Pacino agreed to do it, but Robert Devall thought he
Speaker 2: should have. He played Tom Hagen and he's so good.
Speaker 3: He's such a Yeah, his characters are love to him
Speaker 3: in the film.
Speaker 2: Yes, and George Hamilton plays the family lawyer here, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't have much to do and he's he's fine.
Speaker 2: He does what he needs to do, but there's nothing spectacular.
Speaker 3: It becomes sort of a non character.
Speaker 1: He feels like a character being written out. He put
Speaker 1: in the plug some holes.
Speaker 2: But Robert Devall basically said, it's a talk show where
Speaker 2: he speaks quite openly about it. He said he got
Speaker 2: off with one million, and he thought he should have
Speaker 2: been getting, you know, closer to what Bacino was getting,
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't budge.
Speaker 1: They would not budge.
Speaker 2: And and he said, if they had to come back
Speaker 2: and said, you know, three million, you know, like maybe
Speaker 2: you know three fifths of what Paceno is getting one fifth,
Speaker 2: then we probably would have got something done. But his
Speaker 2: view was that this was only to make money. Everyone
Speaker 2: was just doing this to make money. Why else do
Speaker 2: this film but to make money? Now, I'd also argue
Speaker 2: that of course every movie is hoping to make money. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: But I do think I disagree in that I think
Speaker 2: there's more substance to this film than what that that suggests.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the studio absolutely by the fact that
Speaker 5: they you know, they rushed the director to write it.
Speaker 5: They tried to nickel and dime the actors. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think I certainly don't think Francis for Coppla
Speaker 5: would because I'm assuming by then he was pretty financially stable.
Speaker 3: I think he needed to make another one of these.
Speaker 3: Bid him want too. Yeah, it's a shame too, because God,
Speaker 3: he was good.
Speaker 2: Didn't he was so good and it would have he
Speaker 2: would have this added and friends with a couple of
Speaker 2: Really was was disappointed.
Speaker 3: I really missed him in it. Yeah, he was such
Speaker 3: a good character.
Speaker 2: What if it did raise I'm not sure how much
Speaker 2: of it was the rewritten, but how much it raised
Speaker 2: the presence of Talia Shi and Diane Keaton because that
Speaker 2: was one of the things. I really enjoyed that both
Speaker 2: Connie and Kay had more substance and things to do.
Speaker 8: In this.
Speaker 2: And there's a there's a great scene which you might
Speaker 2: play where Kay talks to Michael about about well, what
Speaker 2: they mean to each other and the horror of their relationship.
Speaker 4: I spent my life protecting my son.
Speaker 8: I spent my life protecting my family.
Speaker 3: Let's be reasonable. Okay, that's a big thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Michael, reason.
Speaker 6: Backed up by murder.
Speaker 8: I dread you.
Speaker 9: I did what I could get to protect all of
Speaker 9: you from mars in this world, but you became my horror.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it's I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, she was. I don't get with brilliant.
Speaker 5: What bugged me to about that is it's almost like
Speaker 5: he's gaslighting her because he's saying, I do what I
Speaker 5: can proceed from the horrors of this world. And he
Speaker 5: he's the reason they need protection because of the business
Speaker 5: he's in. He was a real estate agent or something
Speaker 5: that they wouldn't need protection. He's he's he's he's brought
Speaker 5: the horror to their doorstep.
Speaker 1: What is it you?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir? And he's trying to say, or I did
Speaker 3: all this to protect you, so I wouldn't need it
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for what you do.
Speaker 2: It's but that's what's amazing about like, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 2: but it's great from a dramatic point of view. The
Speaker 2: murkiness of it all, like the murkiness of yes, you're right,
Speaker 2: what you said is absolutely right. Look that that he's
Speaker 2: the one who brings the horror in and Kay is
Speaker 2: absolutely right, and the murkiness is the whole way through
Speaker 2: and you cannot Yeah, this movie is really about I
Speaker 2: think the sins of the Father really and they're on
Speaker 2: this loop like once, and this was set up by
Speaker 2: Vita Collione like the original Godfather like and this is
Speaker 2: why I think, you know, that's that final scene and
Speaker 2: the original god Father three, you see him die in
Speaker 2: the chair by himself.
Speaker 1: It kind of almost mirrors Vito was with you know,
Speaker 1: he's a godson in the in the the orchard.
Speaker 2: But it's it's very similar the way they die. They
Speaker 2: basically die alone, and it's it's it's sad. I like
Speaker 2: that Michael doesn't necessarily going to see him dyeing. The
Speaker 2: idea is that death, that Mary's death is kind of death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was because I thought obviously thought that was
Speaker 5: he was going to die in the opera, and when
Speaker 5: she died instead and then.
Speaker 3: He died inside, that was really powerful, I thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's when he's sort of saying to her,
Speaker 5: I did all this to protect my family, Like it's
Speaker 5: almost like he's trying to convince himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah that this is this was worth it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's yeah, that's really interesting like that,
Speaker 2: surely Michael's not is intelligent, Like, surely he knows and
Speaker 2: that's why he's trying.
Speaker 1: To get out as well. Yeah, he's trying to get
Speaker 1: it because he knows it's dangerous.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think anyway he can.
Speaker 5: You can see it sort of you can see the
Speaker 5: sort of reasoning breakdown in front of the priest where
Speaker 5: he's he just starts crying because he knows that none
Speaker 5: of this was justified and it you brought this on yourself.
Speaker 5: He deserves to like I think the priest says, you
Speaker 5: deserve to suffer or something like that.
Speaker 2: But let's have let's have listened to Michael. Are they
Speaker 2: in the Vatican. I'm they're supposed to be in the Vatican.
Speaker 3: I think they're in there. They're in the Vatican or something.
Speaker 2: They're in a holy place, I think, very holy place.
Speaker 2: And it's a very very holy place, extremely holy place.
Speaker 2: And and Michael, finally the vibe is holy. Yeah, for
Speaker 2: the first time that we're aware of, confesses about the
Speaker 2: actions of he took against Fredom.
Speaker 4: Treating my wife God my son. Have you treated myself?
Speaker 4: I killed men and what it meant to be killed?
Speaker 4: Gone my son? Gone? Use go on my son. I kill.
Speaker 3: M m.
Speaker 4: I ordered the death of my brother. He injured me.
Speaker 8: I killed my mother's son.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I kill boy for us.
Speaker 6: Your things are terrible and it is just that you suffer.
Speaker 6: Your life would be redeemed. But I know that you
Speaker 6: don't believe that you will not change.
Speaker 4: You got the episode.
Speaker 1: He does not hold back.
Speaker 5: It's it's amazing. And the sound mixing too, of the
Speaker 5: running water and the dur birds in the background, the bells,
Speaker 5: it's like it's quite a picturesque, beautiful sound scatter. You
Speaker 5: may be listening to to fall asleep to or something
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: But he's just saying, no music, no music, and it's shot.
Speaker 2: It's shot like they're in confession with the roses, kind
Speaker 2: of in the petition in between them.
Speaker 3: It's a good scene.
Speaker 2: It's really good, and I think it's also really done
Speaker 2: nicely that it follows a diabetic attack. So yeah, because
Speaker 2: you would wonder, okay, what what brings Michael to confess?
Speaker 2: But lu Priest I think recognizes a moment, an opportunity,
Speaker 2: you know, a moment of weakness and vulnerability in Michael
Speaker 2: that this this may be an opportunity for him to
Speaker 2: you know, confess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sort of near to death experience and you know,
Speaker 5: now whenever it's and also you know the fact that
Speaker 5: he's been told to try he can trust this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's one of my I think it's one
Speaker 5: of my favorite scenes in all three films. Like it's
Speaker 5: I just think it's a great. Yeah, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the first half.
Speaker 2: But when they do get to sicily and the more
Speaker 2: when it becomes more reflective, and this is where the
Speaker 2: coder element I think comes into it. I think Fancy
Speaker 2: for a Couple is right in kind of naming it that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much people think about it when
Speaker 2: they kind of when they rewatch it, but I think
Speaker 2: it's worth keeping an in mind that this is it's
Speaker 2: almost like this is something extra. This is this is
Speaker 2: you know, this is this is what happens. You know
Speaker 2: the characters that you loved, that's not that you thought
Speaker 2: you knew their story. That wasn't that there's more and
Speaker 2: we need to discuss more. I want to go aback
Speaker 2: the k as well, So we heard that, yeah, the
Speaker 2: horror thing earlier. But Michael is in a reflective mood
Speaker 2: and he does eventually apologize to Kay.
Speaker 4: Forgive me.
Speaker 2: For while.
Speaker 4: Everything, Oh like, uh huh.
Speaker 9: Ah, I I need something a little closer. You couldn't
Speaker 9: understand back in those days, I loved my father.
Speaker 4: I swore I would never be a man my kid,
Speaker 4: but I loved him and he was in danger. What
Speaker 4: could I do? And then later you were in danger,
Speaker 4: our children were in danger. What can I do?
Speaker 8: You are all that I.
Speaker 9: Loved, valued most in the world, and I won't losing
Speaker 9: I lost you anyway, You're gone and it was off
Speaker 9: for nothing. So he has to understand that I had
Speaker 9: all different destiny planned, all right, that stuff.
Speaker 1: This is a nice reminded I had a whole new
Speaker 1: destiny planned.
Speaker 3: And him makes you saying it's all for nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know almost.
Speaker 3: The whole theme of the film is that it's all.
Speaker 3: It can all be taken away, and it's all. This
Speaker 3: was all pointless.
Speaker 2: It was Because Kay arrives in Sicily and she rejects
Speaker 2: she doesn't want the family tour that Michael kind of
Speaker 2: obviously he wants to show her cicily and and how
Speaker 2: the family are connected here and and and all of that,
Speaker 2: and and and Kay rejects that. But this is, I
Speaker 2: guess the moment where they there's some peace made and
Speaker 2: then there's we others.
Speaker 1: To be founded.
Speaker 2: The weird, slightly weird moment where she jumps into a
Speaker 2: car she expected to be taken somewhere and then it's
Speaker 2: revealed it's Michael and he turns around like it's a
Speaker 2: different movie.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it's like surprisingly play for full moments.
Speaker 1: You've never seen Mike coll as playful and as smiley
Speaker 1: as that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a surprise that, yeah, that happened.
Speaker 3: He did feel like it was from a from a
Speaker 3: rom com.
Speaker 1: And they go on a little too.
Speaker 2: There's another little furfy that's thrown hi where we think
Speaker 2: there's somebody with a gun coming up on a bike
Speaker 2: and they give k flowers. But then there's I think
Speaker 2: Michael actually asked for the forgiveness. I'm not sure before
Speaker 2: or after that, but it's around that the Pope gets voted.
Speaker 2: In interesting note, there's a we could have had a
Speaker 2: pope Siri apparently only got the eleven votes. Pope there's
Speaker 2: there's a Siri who got eleven votes when they were
Speaker 2: going through the votes. It would have been nice, and
Speaker 2: it's a lovely there's a great moment where the whole
Speaker 2: Vincent and Michael thing where he kind of anoints him.
Speaker 2: It's just a good moment where they he's having his
Speaker 2: dife better attacks and Vincent says, there's an assassin. Like
Speaker 2: Michael's at a pretty weak moment. He's reflective, he's almost
Speaker 2: he's confessed, and then they tell him there's an assassin,
Speaker 2: it's a Sillian assassin coming your way, and that he
Speaker 2: never fails. It's it's pretty it's I know, I thought
Speaker 2: that scene was awesome. And then Michael kind of anoints Vincent.
Speaker 2: And this is why I think Connie is a bit
Speaker 2: of a puppet master.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to let go of the power. She
Speaker 2: can see Michael's getting a bit frail now, so she's
Speaker 2: keen to get Vincent in. And when she comes in,
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to note that she walks in
Speaker 2: and Vincent turns and says it's done. So this is
Speaker 2: obviously a plan that she had masterminded, I think, to
Speaker 2: get to get Vincent she's the one who introduced Vincent
Speaker 2: to Michael earlier, you know, knowing that I think that
Speaker 2: Michael would have to couldn't reject Vincent his family, you know.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I think Connie's role in this is is
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it is. It's actually I wanted a bit
Speaker 3: more of it, to be honest, I did.
Speaker 5: I just think he's so good. But it's also one
Speaker 5: of the things that confused me. Again, he only had
Speaker 5: six weeks to write it, so you can't blame him.
Speaker 5: But and it's still amazing, but the fact that you
Speaker 5: know it was Vincent, and that it was this guy
Speaker 5: who's every bit off, and then they all the way
Speaker 5: through the film, this sort of feels like there's this
Speaker 5: growing rivalry and then guys gone out of the picture.
Speaker 3: It gets shot.
Speaker 2: What's good about being in Sicily as well is that
Speaker 2: it does feel like a dangerous place. Even the puppet
Speaker 2: show that they went on was like quite violent, and
Speaker 2: there's kids watching it and there's puppets stabbing.
Speaker 5: And that was what was so good about it, I suppose,
Speaker 5: is it was this beautiful, picturesque, peaceful looking place and
Speaker 5: he realized, man, this these these to live, this life.
Speaker 5: You're just in constant fear of your life. Everything's a
Speaker 5: you know, every crowds of potential a murderer or every
Speaker 5: every open window becomes a threat.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a probable way to live awful.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess being really really rich helps, but
Speaker 3: it's still.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I prefer like a more medium level income,
Speaker 5: well with no assassination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you can, where you can, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: date your cousin and and not feel like shame's from
Speaker 2: your uncle the dreamer.
Speaker 1: There's a nice there's a nice.
Speaker 2: Touch when they're kissing, you know, Vincent's hand, when he's
Speaker 2: basically loved that, you know, he becomes Vincent coll And
Speaker 2: and Kay, So Connie takes Michael out and we see
Speaker 2: him and the door shuts now on Michael as your
Speaker 2: Godfather is, which is just a nice tip of the
Speaker 2: hat to the famous ending of The Godfather. Did it
Speaker 2: feel like to you that this is sixteen years after
Speaker 2: The Godfather Part two? Did it feel that Michael Colline
Speaker 2: was sixteen years older? It felt to me like he was.
Speaker 2: It felt more like he might have been like thirty
Speaker 2: years older.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a lot older.
Speaker 1: I thought it was quite late, Yeah, which it doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 2: That was more an afterthought because they don't really say
Speaker 2: when the film is set, so it could have been
Speaker 2: it could have been thirty years in the field.
Speaker 3: I guess it wasn't something I really thought about. I
Speaker 3: just thought he's older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been through some shit.
Speaker 3: The reason if his kids are grown up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only reason I thought about it is because I
Speaker 2: thought al Pacino's performance got more Michael a little bit
Speaker 2: as it went on. I thought, I thought it felt
Speaker 2: like going from watching like young al Pacino in the
Speaker 2: original two films to watching center of a Woman al Pacino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I think once I get to Sicily, I thought,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I really I really love that. Outside
Speaker 2: of that with rom Com moment.
Speaker 3: I also wonder if.
Speaker 5: You probably could have I wonder if you'd gotten rid
Speaker 5: of the Suns storyline altogether, whether that would have made
Speaker 5: a difference, either because he had a son who didn't
Speaker 5: want to take over the business, and he didn't want
Speaker 5: the son to take over the business, So that means
Speaker 5: in the plot you probably could have got rid of
Speaker 5: the Sun, just had the sister, so then he doesn't
Speaker 5: have anyth then he has to pick a new one,
Speaker 5: and that's Vincent, because he doesn't want his daughter to
Speaker 5: take over the business either. I wonder if the son
Speaker 5: even needed to be there in story wise, even though
Speaker 5: it made for a nice moment in the opera and
Speaker 5: things like that. But you could have given that, you
Speaker 5: could have I feel like you could have made the
Speaker 5: sister and the brother one character. Yeah, and it wouldn't
Speaker 5: have lost anything.
Speaker 1: I'm not you're saying, I think it works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe that's becoming Maybe that's becoming too efficient and
Speaker 5: losing just what are some nice moments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about.
Speaker 10: That.
Speaker 2: Anthony feels even more removed from the family business than
Speaker 2: Mary does.
Speaker 1: In a way. Mary's still a rat, She's not necessarily
Speaker 1: trying to doesn't seem that harness any ambition to be
Speaker 1: part out of that world.
Speaker 3: I guess my my thinking is that perhaps that last
Speaker 3: scene with him by himself would have been more powerful
Speaker 3: if he'd lost his only Yeah, because he's still got
Speaker 3: one kids, wife, wasn't he there and that last thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the fact that he's lost to lose the only one
Speaker 3: he loves instead of half so at the end is yeah,
Speaker 3: it was kind of I don't know. I just thought
Speaker 3: maybe maybe that would have been more powerful. Again, I
Speaker 3: mean I don't want to back out.
Speaker 1: I feel like, but Mary Mary shot accidentally, isn't she
Speaker 1: she is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, going for her.
Speaker 1: Maybe it would have.
Speaker 2: Been interesting if she was shot deliberately, and then they
Speaker 2: also took out Anthony as like this is that they
Speaker 2: were aware of the hell they were actually putting Michael
Speaker 2: coy kids.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Just kill both, kill both. Yeah, and then you're right, Michael,
Speaker 1: that does make that last scene or the more powerful.
Speaker 5: Because there's a line in here is then where he
Speaker 5: says they will go for the ones you'd love, or
Speaker 5: they'll come for the ones you something like that.
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Yeah, but maybe if they killed both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, powerful people should just just don't go
Speaker 2: to the opera. That's why I don't go to the opera.
Speaker 5: Look, go but in like a little bit of bulletproof
Speaker 5: booth or something. Yeah, it's frisky.
Speaker 1: Did you was it a surprise? When did you?
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier that you thought, Okay, they're going to
Speaker 2: take out Michael, which I think that's what we are
Speaker 2: supposed to be thinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, I thought that absolutely.
Speaker 1: And it's called a death of Michael.
Speaker 3: And you thought he's going to do on the stairs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought he's going to die in the opera during
Speaker 3: a high note. Then he was going to die on
Speaker 3: the stairs. I just yeah.
Speaker 2: So when when it was revealed that and I thought,
Speaker 2: it's really well planned, I think, and I think Sophie
Speaker 2: A Copper does a really good job of, you know,
Speaker 2: taking that shot and you know Dad, I kind of
Speaker 2: heard somebody kind of bagging her performance in that scene.
Speaker 2: I thought, No, I've seen overly dramatic deaths and sometimes
Speaker 2: it is you're in shock. And I think her last
Speaker 2: words been Dad was great. Considering like Michael, this is
Speaker 2: like it's supposed to be the happiest night almost outside
Speaker 2: of more so than any moment we've seen the Godfather movies,
Speaker 2: including weddings and all that. This felt like this was
Speaker 2: supposed to be the happiest moment for the Collie owned family,
Speaker 2: like yeah, something that wasn't involving crime.
Speaker 1: It was a celebration, a celebration of how proud we
Speaker 1: have a son.
Speaker 2: Michael and Kay have made some peace, you know, and
Speaker 2: the families together and the past comes back to haunt them.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah, it was beautiful. I thought that seemed
Speaker 3: was great, really heart wrenching, but it was.
Speaker 5: It was brilliant. It's enjoying his moment of happiness. I'm
Speaker 5: assuming it became an inspiration for Angel and Buffy and
Speaker 5: how when he has a moment of happiness he turns evil.
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen Buffy, but I can only
Speaker 2: imagine while the influence of these movies on and on
Speaker 2: and on. Of course, Luke, I mean Rose Haven took
Speaker 2: a lot of it's cues from The Godfather.
Speaker 1: It was that the original too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do wonder how much if I'd watched these
Speaker 5: films before writing Rose Heaven, how much I would have
Speaker 5: put into us, because I always imagine Chris mcquader is
Speaker 5: a Godfather like figure.
Speaker 3: Like a head of the family.
Speaker 1: She would be amazing, So I probably.
Speaker 3: Would have given her. I probably would have put a
Speaker 3: few more nods in there than I did.
Speaker 2: And of course, yeah, another Godfather montage done brilliantly. I
Speaker 2: think in the first one it was the baptism and
Speaker 2: as others get wax, this idea that you could be
Speaker 2: in the house of God whilst you know, ordering these
Speaker 2: hits to be taking place was the work of genius.
Speaker 1: In the original film, It's never too far away, and
Speaker 1: this is this is a similar thing.
Speaker 2: There's a certain religious overtone about the opera and then
Speaker 2: what they're what they're doing there, and the iconography is
Speaker 2: is there for everyone to see, and it's it's just
Speaker 2: great that those those murders, they're good fun.
Speaker 3: The classes in the neck. Yeah, that felt that felt
Speaker 3: like it was out of a like a B grade horror.
Speaker 3: It was. It was so so much blood and yeah,
Speaker 3: it was the only it was the only time.
Speaker 1: Just like, come on, did you.
Speaker 2: When he was going to him, when he was like,
Speaker 2: I need to whisper this injurious we knew something.
Speaker 1: We know why.
Speaker 5: And then when his body goes, oh he's clean. I'm
Speaker 5: sure this will be fine. Just yeah, like I'd be like, well,
Speaker 5: that's not happening.
Speaker 3: You can tell me.
Speaker 1: Like, it just didn't make any This is not a
Speaker 1: tradition that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3: It was very loosely. I mean, maybe you could have
Speaker 3: picked up a litter opener off his desk and use
Speaker 3: that to stab him. But the fact that he goes,
Speaker 3: I gotta whispering. You're like, that's fine, come on, real class,
Speaker 3: there's no problem.
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill him with a blunt and a plastic.
Speaker 5: That whole scene, Yeah, it was like if you just
Speaker 5: took that scene out and didn't know what it was
Speaker 5: from and guess what movie this is from, you would
Speaker 5: I think this is from one of the greatest trileges
Speaker 5: of all time.
Speaker 2: So some fun facts before we wind up. It's been
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. We have spoken about Severe Copple.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're on the same page as I am.
Speaker 2: In fact, you come to it a bit fresher, not
Speaker 2: having seen it and not knowing that the history behind it.
Speaker 2: With all that said, she did have to read dub
Speaker 2: twenty percent of her original dialogue in ADR. Apparently she
Speaker 2: couldn't pronounce collion. She was mispronouncing collione.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I'm not sure why that wasn't picked up
Speaker 1: on the day.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: Like that, Benedict, come aback penguins, penguin Gate, Well, tell
Speaker 5: me about that.
Speaker 3: He can't say there was a documentary. He did, he
Speaker 3: did commentary for documentary. He couldn't say penguins.
Speaker 10: It wasn't a documentary about said animal. It was a
Speaker 10: documentary about I think about the South Pacific in general.
Speaker 10: I know, I'm completely terrified.
Speaker 4: Of the words.
Speaker 1: I don't go near.
Speaker 10: And the last thing you might expect to see here.
Speaker 4: Is penguins.
Speaker 10: These are Fjordland crested pengwins, named after this corner of
Speaker 10: South New Zealand. So why are these woodlands so attractive
Speaker 10: to pengwings? A fresh water stream through the forest makes
Speaker 10: a handy highway for a parent pengwing heading home from
Speaker 10: the fishing pot.
Speaker 1: That is, I had no idea that was the thing. Well,
Speaker 1: there you go, seve A Coppler, You're not alone.
Speaker 5: I had to dub over about I reckon maybe thirty
Speaker 5: five percent of my first season of Rose Heaven because
Speaker 5: I was mumbling, I wasn't talking from I end up
Speaker 5: going to.
Speaker 3: A speech therapist.
Speaker 5: I've always been a mumbler and stumbled on words and
Speaker 5: things like that, but that was the first time I
Speaker 5: saw an actual speech therapist too, because I was just
Speaker 5: having to do so much redubbing in idea and still
Speaker 5: wasn't sounding as clear as I could And I'm not
Speaker 5: certainly not prefering now when he stretched the imagination.
Speaker 3: But I was terrible on season one and some of
Speaker 3: its really hard to hear her.
Speaker 2: Everybody go back in wa season one of Rose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let us know your tweet, Sophi a Coppler like no,
Speaker 2: so a couple of fun facts. Frank Sinaci, you may
Speaker 2: be aware, wasn't was really against The Godfather originally being
Speaker 2: made because he thought Johnny Fontaine was based on him,
Speaker 2: which arguably it was. But after the success of the
Speaker 2: first two films, he was actually keen to play Don Ottobello,
Speaker 2: who's like the older Don who leaves at the before
Speaker 2: everything gets bassed up and joins him in sicily, but
Speaker 2: then he said no because the money wasn't enough again
Speaker 2: money issues, so he went to Elo Wallack, who played Dontabello.
Speaker 2: Ironically because Sinacha got his role in From Here to Eternity,
Speaker 2: which is I think made in like fifty six or
Speaker 2: fifty eight, when Eli Wallack backed out due to pay.
Speaker 2: So swings in a roundabouts right, Schaefer, this is quite sad.
Speaker 2: Was an actress Sophia Coupler coming into the Last Monte
Speaker 2: for when not a writer Rebecca Schaeffer was due to
Speaker 2: be given the scripts and on the day is due
Speaker 2: to receive that.
Speaker 1: Script, she was murdered.
Speaker 4: My god.
Speaker 2: So it kind of feels like when that happened, you
Speaker 2: kind of go, maybe this role is cursed and we
Speaker 2: should just right up to the Bridget Fonder end of
Speaker 2: the you know, make her one of the characters or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know it he's just said about Superman too.
Speaker 3: Didn't they that that role was christed for a while
Speaker 3: or the actor that plays it all?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it was either injury or career ending in
Speaker 5: some way, like they'd say the actor didn't. I think
Speaker 5: it got proved wrong then, because you know, Tom Walker
Speaker 5: ended up going on to play quite a bit in it.
Speaker 5: Lucifer I think maybe, and then obviously Henry Cavill's killing it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it was. I think it was
Speaker 3: because it was that run.
Speaker 1: Of Christopher Reeves in this and then.
Speaker 3: One in Lewis and Clark Lewis and Clark D. Kaine
Speaker 3: and then Brandon Ruth and none of them.
Speaker 1: Really went on to write make more things.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Christopher Reeves was brilliant but tragically injured
Speaker 5: but probably would had a massive career.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and the final and I'm doing a bit
Speaker 2: more fun final. Sometimes not all the fun facts are fun.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a bit misleading, but the.
Speaker 3: First you call them all fun facts, including that murder one.
Speaker 1: One wasn't a fun fact. Sometimes you know you need to.
Speaker 3: Did you change the title then to facts facts? Some
Speaker 3: fun facts and some other.
Speaker 2: Facts should be a warning when when there's incoming not fun.
Speaker 2: The final fun fact and this is is fun. The
Speaker 2: Godfather films are the first of only two trilogies to
Speaker 2: have all three films nominated for Best Picture? Can you
Speaker 2: name the other trilogy?
Speaker 3: Do you have the trilogy for Best Picture?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it star Wars?
Speaker 2: Not Star Wars more recent, more recent, more recent than
Speaker 2: Star Wars and the original trilogy at list?
Speaker 1: All right, very big, very big, you kick yourself. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings is correct.
Speaker 1: Look you get a you ain't seen nothing yet hat
Speaker 1: which we haven't manufactured yet or made. But if we
Speaker 1: ever do, first one's coming away.
Speaker 3: My head's ready, is ready, and you'll be son smart.
Speaker 3: Does the podcast have any merch? Does it not yet?
Speaker 1: Not yet?
Speaker 2: We'll have to look into if you want requesting merch.
Speaker 2: Yasney Podcasts at gmail dot com, where you can contact
Speaker 2: this for anything.
Speaker 1: We love to hear from you, Luke McGregor.
Speaker 2: This podcast comes with homework, and you have not only
Speaker 2: is your third return which makes us our favorite guests,
Speaker 2: but three films with hefty running times. You've probably invested
Speaker 2: ten hours of viewing for this podcast.
Speaker 3: And lowest rating episode each time, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to bring that up. I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to bring that up. Did Derek tell you that? He
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to tell you.
Speaker 3: That, But that was as soon as I came in,
Speaker 3: he said, mate, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: Can you live?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Give us something?
Speaker 5: Gregor, Oh, no, happy to. I'm really glad I got
Speaker 5: to say him actually, because it was it was like
Speaker 5: when I first watched there was a period where I
Speaker 5: just went back and went, Okay, I'm just going to
Speaker 5: watch some old films. So I went and watched Rambow,
Speaker 5: and then I watched Rocky and all these films I
Speaker 5: had never seen before.
Speaker 1: I love that Rambo was your first one. I want
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 5: First person was Rocky actually right then Rambo. Then I
Speaker 5: went a bit of a Silvesters to their own binge.
Speaker 5: But then Godfather was always going to be there. There's
Speaker 5: a bunch of like now I'm going to go back
Speaker 5: and watch Scarface I think, and some other ones like
Speaker 5: that that I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Well, mate, it's an open door policy for your good self.
Speaker 3: And what was one you said that earlier in the
Speaker 3: piece that you loved.
Speaker 1: Oh the Untouchables.
Speaker 2: Yes, watch the Untouchable and watch Jean Connery, Kevin Costner.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's a Robert that's a good cast.
Speaker 2: Written by David Mammontt, directed by Brian Depalmer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, okay, that's on the list now.
Speaker 1: Suits by Hugo Boss.
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 2: I think it's Hugo Boss for such you it might
Speaker 2: be here any whatever, mate, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You are a great mate and a legend and we'll
Speaker 1: see you soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks havingbody looking forward to that merch droph.
Speaker 1: Well, that was fun.
Speaker 2: Massive thanks and props to Luke McGregor for sitting down
Speaker 2: and watching almost ten hours of Godfather films. Really glad
Speaker 2: he enjoyed it. Really relieved and glad that he enjoyed
Speaker 2: Godfather Pat three. If you haven't seen it, well you've
Speaker 2: had a lot of spoilers, but check it out. I
Speaker 2: watched it when I was in my teenage years and
Speaker 2: probably had already heard that it wasn't as good as
Speaker 2: the first too, and took.
Speaker 1: A lot of that baggage in with me, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was great.
Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a few more weeks left of season
Speaker 2: four off you ain't seen nothing yet. Some big movies
Speaker 2: and guests coming up. If you want to get on
Speaker 2: to us, you can write to you at yasny podcast
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com, or get onto our speak pipe
Speaker 2: through the links and you can leave us like an
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Speaker 1: Message.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it Derek Derek Mayer some Gasway Studios
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Speaker 10: Hey, Hey, go yeah, get on that speak pipe, drop
Speaker 10: a message, say what you want, talk about your favorite movies.
Speaker 2: We can hear your voice and you'll become part of
Speaker 2: the U ain't see nothing yet family. Leave any questions
Speaker 2: you have, any requests for other movies or guests.
Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you. I really enjoy.
Speaker 2: We're going to organize a live show soon, our second
Speaker 2: live show. Looking forward to that. I'll announce when all
Speaker 2: that's confirmed. But coming up if some of the movies
Speaker 2: we got coming up include if you want to get
Speaker 2: ahead in your viewings, we have requested that we kind
Speaker 2: of put out some of the movies so they're not
Speaker 2: as rushed in trying to watch it. To listen to
Speaker 2: the episode, we're going to be looking at Lost in
Speaker 2: Translations soon, We're going to be looking at Puns Druke
Speaker 2: Love soon, one of my absolute favorites. And next week
Speaker 2: on the show Very Funny Man and comedian Ben Russell
Speaker 2: is hosting a new show, a pilot of a show
Speaker 2: that will be on Tenplay. He co hosted with Jennyfricka.
Speaker 2: It's called Time to Die. It's a fantastic concept. I've
Speaker 2: actually seen the episode they made. It's two comedians, in
Speaker 2: this case Tom Cashman and Sonya Diorio, and they basically
Speaker 2: have to write each other the worst set they can
Speaker 2: possibly come up with. Then they have to go out
Speaker 2: and perform in front of a real life comedy club
Speaker 2: those routines that are deliberately written badly. It's called Time
Speaker 2: to Die. It'll be on Tenplay. I think I'm abound
Speaker 2: about the twenty seventh of June. We'll have more details
Speaker 2: next week. But Ben Russell, who Very Funny Man, did
Speaker 2: some Hollywood tours recently the Melbanney International Comedy Festival and
Speaker 2: around the country that we're revolutionary as far as comedy
Speaker 2: is presented. So very funny man, great guy, and he's
Speaker 2: going to be discussing the nineteen eighty two Martin Scorsese classic,
Speaker 2: which maybe gets left behind when we talk about Scorsese films,
Speaker 2: we often focus on Taxi Driver or The Departed, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the King of Comedy.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, check it out.
Speaker 2: Robert de Niro, Jerry Lewis, Sandra Bernard's in it. It's
Speaker 2: an incredible film. If you saw Joker recently with work
Speaker 2: in Phoenix, this is a big touchstone as far as
Speaker 2: an influence that isn't Taxi Driver. So the King of
Speaker 2: Comedy next week with Ben Russell. Can't wait to get
Speaker 2: stuck into it. Until then, take care by
Speaker 10: For now, and so we leave old Pete see Van
Speaker 10: sal and to our friends of the radio audience, we've
Speaker 10: been a pleasant good name.