1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: and Kate. Now on today's show Ja Da Tunc, she 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: finally responds to the weekended drama. We discussed Molly May's 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: decision to share her new home following that infamous robbery, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Plus did Tammy Hembro have anything to do with Kylie 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Jennett changing her son's name? But first, Sarah's day has 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: divided opinions after sharing a postpart and body update eight 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: days after giving birth to her second son, Malachi Kate, 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Can you tell us more well? On Tuesday, Sarah said 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: she had been inundated with people asking her for a 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: postpartum body update, and she explained she was happy to 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: oblige as she had been taking everyone on her pregnancy 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: journey with her. Sarah then added this disclaimer, but. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: I just feel like the older I get, the more 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: I'm on social media. Like when I first started Instagram, 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: it was really about like showing my shredded apps and 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: like showing workouts and things like that. But I think 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: now that I'm nearly thirty, and like I've seen a 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: lot of my friends go through childbirth and just like 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: seeing their postpartum recovery, I'm a lot more I guess 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: sensitive to everyone's journey and I never ever ever want 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: someone to come onto my feed and feel negative about 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: their own body. So like there's that fine line of 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: like I want to share everything and be transparent, and 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: like I showed you all of my pregnancy workouts and 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: like me working out, so it makes sense to show 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: what I'm looking like now, but like I don't want 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: anyone to compare. It's like I feel like there's like 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: you're damned if you do, damned if you don't kind 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: of thing. 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Sarah then shared videos of her posing in front of 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: the mirror in a sports bra and high waisted bike shorts. 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: The videos were very reminiscent of the body updates she 36 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: used to give on her project Comebacks back in the day, 37 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: so for those who didn't see it, there was a 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: lot of posing going on and showing off her body 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: at different angles, and Sarah looked very lean and fit, 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: with clear app definition and a thigh gap. Sarah went 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: on to announce that in a twist of what she 42 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: called irony. She and her physio Charlotte from Flow Physio, 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: had joined forces to create an ebook called The Pregnancy 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: Workout Guide. Sarah finished off with another disclaimer, saying, well, 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: she didn't want to take away from her hard work, 46 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: consistent workouts, and healthy eating during her pregnancy. She wanted 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that there were a number of factors at play. 48 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: She went on to list genetics, hormones, lifestyle, sleep, support, labor, 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and other health factors. She then added ps at this 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: point with Fox, I started to put on weight while breastfeeding, 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: so I won't be surprised if I start gaining a 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: bit more to support my milk supply and lack of sleep. 53 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I was taken aback at how contradictory the messaging was 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: from Sarah, because first she gave a disclaimer where she 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: said she was sensitive to other mothers postpartum journeys and 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to make anyone feel bad or compare themselves 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: to her, and then in the next breath, she's flogging 58 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: a pregnancy workout guide so people can look as good 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: as her postpartum. I also found it really bizarre how 60 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: she talked about her consistency with workouts and healthy eating, 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: because she was commended by her follow for being raw 62 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: and honors this pregnancy about not keeping up with her 63 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: workouts and also eating junk food. I also think it's 64 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: important to point out that the e book going live 65 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: soon is no coincidence. 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: A lot of strategy. 67 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: Would have gone into this ebook, including planning the best 68 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: time to release it, and of course the best time 69 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: is when Sarah is going through her postpardon journey and 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: looking fit. And I think this ebook really signals that 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Sarah is officially moving into the mummy vlogging space. After 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: she had Fox, she said she didn't want to be 73 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: a part of that space, but I think now she's 74 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: ready and she understands she needs to grow. 75 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: With her followers. 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: Plus it's a very lucrative space to be in. I 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: don't think it will be long until we see Sarah 78 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: bringing out her own baby range just playing Devil's advocate here. 79 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: The program in question is developed by a physio who 80 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: does obviously have experience in the field and expertise, and 81 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: it does seem like it is going to be a 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: Pilates book, so it is something that is a little 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: bit low intensity for mums who do want to get 84 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: back into exercise, so in regards to it, at least 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: it is written by an expert, and some women do 86 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: want to gently get back into exercise. However, I do 87 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: disagree with the way she posed it in saying, oh, everyone, 88 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to be so sensitive to mothers on this journey. 89 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: But then she showed herself in the mirror looking incredible 90 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: in the next breath. 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: It all was just very odd. It seems genuous. 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: It just seemed disjointed and really muddled, and I do 93 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: really wonder isn't fair to level this sort of criticism 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: at a woman who has only given birth a week 95 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: or so ago and is going through so much. Sarah 96 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: opened up that during the labor she, Kurt, and Fox 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: were all sick and they are still sick a week after, 98 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that they are dealing with 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: a child who has an undersclothed health condition. Is this 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: really a time that we need to cut Sarah some slack? 101 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it is quite clear that she has a 102 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: complex relationship with her body. She has admitted publicly to 103 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: having issues with eating and disordered body image before. 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: So should we kind of go a little bit easy 105 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: on her and. 106 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: Shared a bit gently because the amount of abuse I 107 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: think she's receiving in her DMS at the moment is 108 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: really appalling. Oh and I completely sympathize with Sarah in 109 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: that regard, and it's quite clear that she could be 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: struggling with mental health and her body image at the 111 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: moment based on her past issues with it. However, she 112 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: has consciously made a decision before she was even pregnant 113 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: to create this pregnancy workout guide, and as I mentioned before, 114 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: a lot of strategy would have gone into the promotion 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: of this guide, and it's clear a big part of 116 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that is using Sarah's postpard and body as a way 117 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: to sell the book. And the reason she is showing 118 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: her body eight days after giving birth isn't because she's 119 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: trying to keep people up to date with her pregnancy journey. 120 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: It's ultimately to make money from this ebook, and she 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: clearly has a lot on her plate. But the fact 122 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: that she's prioritizing the promotion of a pregnancy workout book 123 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: is a little bit disturbing to me, and it really 124 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: continues on this trend of monetizing her pregnancy and it 125 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: just doesn't sit right with me. I totally agree Kate, 126 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: because what the e book does is it praise on 127 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: women who have just given birth and aren't feeling good 128 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: about their bodies. And the last thing these women should 129 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: be doing is thinking about their bodies and comparing themselves 130 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: to Sarah. But unfortunately, there are studies which show forty 131 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: six percent of new mums are frustrated with their post 132 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: birth physeeke. And the reason behind these unrealistic standards is 133 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: the traditional media and now influences obsession with sharing images 134 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: of toned women who have quote bounced back weeks after childbirth, 135 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: and this just really makes mums feel helpless and hopeless. 136 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: And while it's not Sarah's fault that she has a 137 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: body that is deemed ideal by the mainstream media, she 138 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: knows that her body is enviable at this stage of 139 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: her postpart because I was joking and saying her body 140 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: looks better than mine, and I obviously haven't just had 141 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: a baby, and she is using her image to sell 142 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 1: this e book. 143 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: And I would normally like to give Sarah the benefit 144 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: of the. 145 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: Doubt, but her last book also cause controversy because she 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: was accused of praying on women with disordered eating and 147 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: I feel like this new e book is preying on 148 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: new mums who aren't happy with their bodies. I do 149 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: also want to point out something that I suppose a 150 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: lot lot of us don't think about, and I did 151 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: do a story on it a number of years ago 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: when I worked it today tonight, and it was the 153 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: shaming that also goes on of mums who do bounce 154 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: back so quickly. So I interviewed Sophie Gwiddlin about her 155 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: comeback after having twins, and I used comeback in inverted 156 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: commas and she copped a lot of criticism for working 157 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: out during her pregnancy and working out after it and 158 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: the fact that she looked so good only a week after, 159 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: similar to Sarah, and I think that we do need 160 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: to be careful because for some moms, the reality is 161 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: that they do return. 162 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: Quite quickly to their regular for Seke. 163 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: But in saying that, I think that the way that 164 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: these women go about promoting that they need to be 165 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: really careful because that isn't the reality for everyone and 166 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: it is something that can be very triggering. The thing is, 167 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: I don't think everyone would have been as alarmed if 168 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: she was just giving body updates. Everyone is very used 169 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: to Sarah's body updates. However, it's because she's linked these 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: body updates to selling a product, and to be honest, 171 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing just makes me feel really sad. I 172 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: just feel like social media is making women's pregnancy bumps 173 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 1: a bit of a fashion accessory. And while it's great 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: we are embracing pregnant bodies, it's usually only one type 175 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: of pregnant body that is allowed, and that is the 176 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: stick thin body with a cute little bump. And I 177 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: heard a really interesting conversation on Mama Mia out Loud 178 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and it was all about 179 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: how being pregnant seems to be the only time when 180 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: a woman is allowed to have a belly, and I 181 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: totally agree because I was thinking about it. I always 182 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: make jokes like, oh, when I'm pregnant, I'm going to 183 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: wear all those tight dresses that show off your bump, 184 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't feel, even though I am thin, 185 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: that I can wear them now, because if I have 186 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a bloat, then that's embarrassing. 187 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: And you're always having to suck in in. 188 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Photos or wear spanks to cover up your stomachs, and 189 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: you just only have to consider how popular abs are 190 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: on social media. You know, that is the height of perfection. 191 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: And as soon as women give birth, after having you know, 192 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: their bump that's praised, they're then expected to regain flat 193 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: stomachs so quickly as if they'd never had a bump before. 194 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: And I've even noticed with Sarah she was really showing 195 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: off her bump a lot on social media. However, as 196 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: soon as she has given birth, her bump has been hidden, 197 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: like her stomach is hidden. She's wearing high waisted pants, 198 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: and it's just so sad this shift in behavior. 199 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: Stomach hidden, but her abs are. 200 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a very fitness thing, like everyone always 201 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: wears the high wasted pants because a lot of influencers 202 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: like Olivia Rogers has shown Yeah, you can contort your 203 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: body to make it look like your abs are popping, 204 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: but your belly might not be flat underneath, which is 205 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, but those are the angles that 206 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: we're seeing on social media. 207 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: This is a week postpartum. I worked out very differently 208 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: with this pregnancy than I did with Fox, for multiple reasons. 209 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: I'll get into it later, but I actually feel like 210 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: my uterus has gone down quicker this time, which is weird. 211 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: Maybe it has something to do with my labor. You 212 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: guys will see it soon. 213 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: After nearly two months since giving birth to her son, 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner has revealed she's had a change of heart. 215 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: The billionaire announced on Instagram story she's changed her son's name. 216 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Kylie wrote, FYI, as son's name isn't Wolf anymore. We 217 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: just really didn't feel like it was him. Just wanted 218 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: to share because I keep seeing Wolf everywhere. So despite 219 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: revealing Wolf is no longer the name, Kylie left us 220 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: all hanging by not revealing the new name. Now, the 221 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: announcement has sparked an interesting theory, Kate, can you tell 222 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: us a little bit more? Yeah? So, So many people 223 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: believe Tammy Hembro might be the reason for the name change, 224 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: and we've discussed previously on the show how it was 225 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: clear Tammy wasn't thrilled about Kylie's name selection. For those 226 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: who aren't across this story, Tammy's son's name is Wolf, 227 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: and apparently there is no love lost between Tammy and Kylie. 228 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: The pair used to be friends, and Tammy infamously attended 229 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Kylie's twenty first birthday party and was photographed being stretched 230 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: out to an ambulance after allegedly collapsing. However, things changed 231 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: when rumor started circulating that Tammy allegedly slept with Kylie's ex, 232 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Tiger Now. The rumors emerged after Tiger released a sexually 233 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: explicit song, which Tammy has confirmed was about her Now. 234 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: One of the verses in the song goes, go Tammy, 235 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: keep dancing, you nasty no pandies. 236 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: Sommi went on. 237 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: To say her and Tiger were just friends now. Three 238 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: years on, Tammy made a swipe at Kylie's name selection, 239 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: so only hours after Kylie announced the name Wolf, Tammy 240 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: shared a photo of her own son, captioning the photo 241 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: my Wolf. Tammy also joked with fans on her TikTok 242 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: account that she was going to call her next baby Stormy, 243 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: which is obviously a swipe at Kylie, who has a 244 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: daughter called Stormy, and fans are speculating that Kylie saw 245 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: all of these comments and got turned off the name. 246 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: On Twitter, someone wrote, can't believe Kylie Jenna decided Wolf 247 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: wasn't her son's name anymore. Tammy really won. Another wrote, 248 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: let's be real here, Kylie didn't like that Tammy had 249 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: the name Wolf. 250 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: Before she did. 251 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: Now I am very interested to see what this new 252 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: name is. But apparently this isn't a new trend with 253 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: famous people changing their babies names. Yeah, Sophie Kaisha originally 254 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: and nowns her daughter's name as Betty before having to 255 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: publicly come out and say that they change it to Florence. 256 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: Amy Schumer and Chris Fisher were also forced to change 257 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: their son, gene Attle's name when he was one year 258 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: old after discovering it sounded like genitals together. His new 259 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: name is David. 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: Sorry, his middle name his middle name. 261 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: So, Sophie, is Brandon going to be changing his name 262 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: now that we've discovered that his name is literally BJ Hancock? 263 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: Well we need to discover I knew it when I 264 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: started going out with him. So his parents were quite 265 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: young when they had him, and yeah, they called him 266 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: Brandon James BJ Handcock. Are you going to have a 267 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: little bit more tacked when it comes to naming your child, Sophie, 268 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: I think you've always got to be careful when there's 269 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: a cock in your name of the. 270 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: Names that come up with. 271 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: That's why I reckon brand and should pull Laura Henshaw 272 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: and take my last name. It's actually pulling a Dalton Graham, 273 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: isn't it now? 274 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: Just going back to Kylie. 275 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: I actually think that she did change the name because 276 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: of all the backlash with Tammy. However, I could completely 277 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: understand wanting to change the baby's name once it was born, 278 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: because you come up with all these names and then 279 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: you see the baby and it might look totally different. 280 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: Her baby might not look like a wolf. 281 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: See. I don't think that Tammy Hembro is even on 282 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner's radar. She is. 283 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: I don't think it would have bothered her in the slightest. 284 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: I think if she. 285 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: I think what's happened is that they've the whole pregnancy, 286 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: they've been like, yeah, let's call him wolf, and then 287 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: he's come out and he doesn't look anything like Wow. 288 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: So people have said that you can't pronounce wolf properly. 289 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: It's wolf with an L. It sounds like you're saying 290 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: wolf like a dog. 291 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 292 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: Well, so we're not going to have We're not going 293 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: to have We're not going to have wolf handcock. 294 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: No, that's me the trothed Sorry, I'm actually spoken for. 295 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: Sorry. 296 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Two months after facing backlash for calling out a 297 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: small tourism business for not refunding her honeymoon accommodation. Jard 298 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: A Tunci has opened up about how she felt following 299 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: the controversy. Firstly, Sophie, for those who aren't across the scandal, 300 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit more of an. 301 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: Overview to bring you up to speed. 302 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: In January, jar Day faced heavy criticism after calling out 303 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: a small tourism business for refusing to offer her a 304 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: full refund for her postponed honeymoon. Jarda said she tried 305 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: to counsel her Hunter Valley honeymoon in August last year 306 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: after making the decision to postpone her wedding due to COVID. 307 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: She explained that she and partner Lockie had put down 308 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: a two thousand dollars deposit with a premium rental company 309 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: called Weekender Now. Jar Day then posted a selfie looking 310 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: pretty glum and tagged the Weekender's Instagram account and then 311 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: put them on blast. She accused the business of taking 312 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: advantage of people in the middle of the pandemic and 313 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: said they're taking her money because they can now. This 314 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: is despite the fact that the company gave jar Day 315 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: the option to see if the room could be re 316 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,479 Speaker 1: rented Celebspelchek then weighed in, accusing jar Day of weaponizing 317 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: her audience to leverage a refund from the small business, 318 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: despite the fact that she wasn't entitled to one in 319 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: the terms and conditions which were on the weekender's website. Now, 320 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: jar Da famously hit back at Celebspellcheck, saying she's entitled 321 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: to a refund and that the small business is not 322 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a charity. Jaday then continued by saying that she called 323 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: out the business as a last resort and that it 324 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: worked out well for them because they ended up getting exposure. Now, 325 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: choosing to come up against celeb'spellcheck appears to have been 326 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: a very bad decision for jar Day. The next day, 327 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: celebs Spellcheck shared a racist comment jar Day had made 328 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: previously about an Uber eats driver. In the post that 329 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: dates back to twenty seventeen, jar Day complained on Uber 330 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Eats's official Facebook account about annoying non English speaking delivery drivers. 331 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: She then complained about the app's GPS system, as well 332 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: as writing that when foreigners are delivering, it takes twice 333 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: as long for her to receive her then cold food. 334 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: She said, it's. 335 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Really annoying that you have so many non English speaking 336 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: delivery people who can't follow basic delivery instructions. Now, what 337 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: made this ten times more awkward is the fact that 338 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: jar Day had done a string of influencer work with 339 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Uber Eats in the past. Now, following this controversy, she 340 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: then issued an apology, writing on Instagram that she was 341 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: sorry for the hurtful comments. Now we do go into 342 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: this saga in even more detail in a past episode, 343 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: which we will include a link to in the show notes. Now, Amy, 344 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: after two months, jar Day has finally broken her silence 345 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: about this issue. 346 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: What did she say? 347 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: Well, she has gone into more detail about how she 348 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: felt after the Weekend to scandal in her secondary account, 349 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: which is called the Real jar Day Tunti. She held 350 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: a Q and A where a follower asked, how do 351 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: you feel posts that Weekend to drama. Jar Day responded 352 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: saying it has been one of the worst periods of 353 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: her life. She said she spent four weeks crying, hating herself, 354 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: hating her life, hating her job, and hating the industry 355 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: she worked in. She also said that in the public eye, 356 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: there's hardly any room for forgiveness. She said, it's tough 357 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: when thou of people are being influenced by biased headlines 358 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: and falsified stories, so interestingly, She also said she felt 359 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: silenced as many people told her not to share any 360 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: comments on the matter, and she's presumably referencing her PR 361 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: team who told her not to speak. Jar Day went 362 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: on to say that while people emphasized to her that 363 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: she was not the victim, she felt like the victim 364 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: after receiving hundreds of comments and messages from people saying 365 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: horrible things about her. She also said she was followed 366 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: by paparazzi after the incident and shamed about her body. 367 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm so as you were reading that out, it was 368 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: making me so mad, Like, obviously it's not cool to 369 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: be followed by paparazzi or to receive trolling comments. 370 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: But the way she said that she had. 371 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: No right of reply when she already put so many 372 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: things out there about it, she put out apologies, and 373 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: also the fact that she said that the headlines were 374 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: biased and falsified. 375 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: How were they biased and falsified? You started this. 376 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: Argument with the Weekender people literally reporting on what you 377 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: have put on the public record. I just don't get 378 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: it at all. These people do not like being held 379 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: to account. It's very frustrating. I mean again, I feel 380 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: for her over the trolling, but it goes both ways. 381 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: She was sending her stands onto a small business. She 382 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: is the one that instigated this type of trolling behavior 383 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: in the first place. That's the thing. There are quite 384 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: a few layers through the response. I also found it 385 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: quite interesting where Jada says that the situation made her 386 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: hate her job and hate the industry she works in. 387 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: And this is a tough one because, as you say, Kate, 388 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: we do sympathize in what would be quite a tough situation. 389 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: It would be awful to face that sort of criticism 390 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: and backlash after an incident like this. However, she was 391 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: quite happy to inflict upset onto a small business who 392 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: had faced financial hardship during the pandemic, and as many 393 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: of her followers have since pointed out, influencers aren't forced 394 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: to stay in the public eye. If they are no 395 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: longer being fulfilled or enjoy the role of an influencer, 396 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: they can get a job away from the spotlight as 397 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: an influencer. Just like any job, you aren't guaranteed that 398 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: position for life. If you perform badly in any sort 399 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: of regular job, you get fired. So as an influencer, 400 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: your role really is reliant on whether your audience likes 401 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: you and wants to engage with you. And unfortunately, if 402 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: you behave in a way that people don't agree with, 403 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: they're well within their right to unfollow you and not 404 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: want to have a bar of your context. I one 405 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: hundred percent agree with what you just said, Sophie, but 406 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: I also feel like a lot of the people who 407 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: are making these kind of comments, like yourself, they actually 408 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: haven't been through someone piling on them and harassing them. 409 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: And the thing is, after experiencing it with the podcast, 410 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: sometimes will get inundated with troll messages. It does make 411 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: you feel really bad. And even though she has done 412 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: the wrong thing, I do sympathize a little bit with 413 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: her because it is such a shit situation. You know, 414 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: she knows that she fucked up, And now I think 415 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: she does know that she's fucked up because she's playing 416 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: the victim card here. And while I don't condone trolling messages, 417 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: and I do understand firsthand how awful that would be 418 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: to deal with, but for Jarda to suggest in this 419 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: post that it's some mindless attack on her because people 420 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: dislike her is untrue and it's not a reflection on 421 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: the real situation because she needs to face the consequences 422 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: of the situation. There are awful racist comments that are 423 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: out there. She kind of brought on a bit of 424 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: it herself by coming up against Celeb's spellcheck. I mean, 425 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: the whole post was completely tone deaf. I feel like 426 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: she's very much trying to position herself as a victim, 427 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: and she discusses how she's trying to better herself, but 428 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: not once in this lengthy post did she acknowledge the 429 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: impact that she actually could. 430 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: Have caused to this small business. 431 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: She's just not very self aware in any of this, because, 432 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: as you said, so, if she didn't touch on any 433 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: of her learnings from the racist uber posts, it was 434 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: all positioning herself as the victim and everyone had to 435 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: feel sorry for her. If I was advising her from 436 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: a pr perspective, I would have been like, do not 437 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: answer this question about the weekender. Put it behind you. 438 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Do not act like you're the victim. If you are 439 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: going to acknowledge the question, keep apologizing, keep them happy. 440 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: That's the only way people are going to start forgiving you. 441 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit like l Darby at 442 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: the moment. She had that scandal at the start of 443 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: the year, and we have not heard from her at all, 444 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: and I assume she is mounting some type of comeback. 445 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: But I think that's how you do it. You have 446 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: to go offline for a little bit and don't bring 447 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: it up again unless you are going to apologize. But 448 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: as soon as you place yourself as a victim, it's 449 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: going to put people's backs up again. That's the thing. 450 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: I was so confused when she said that she felt silenced, 451 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: and obviously it was in reference to the team that 452 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: was managing her, because I actually feel like her team 453 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: didn't step in soon enough. They should have been on 454 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: the ball and got her to remove her original post 455 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: about the weekender immediately, and they also should have instructed 456 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: her not to engage in a back and forth exchange 457 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: with Celeb's Spellcheck. And just a tip for any influencers 458 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: who may be listening to the podcast, you want celebs 459 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: Spellcheck on your side. Why would you ever wave a 460 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: red flag at her? She clearly had the receipts just 461 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: waiting and ready to go. When Jaday exposed herself badly 462 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: to the public. And when Jarday is talking about being silent, 463 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: she was silent at the wrong time. She antagonized the 464 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: situation in which her team should have told her to 465 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: be quiet and stepped in for some sort of crisis 466 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: management talks and actually formulated a genuine and heartfelt apology. 467 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, perhaps she could have donated to a struggling 468 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: small business or communities who were doing it tough during 469 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic. And instead of trying to explain why everyone 470 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: else is in the wrong, Jarday should have just taken 471 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: complete responsibility for her own actions. And it's no surprise 472 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: that since the saga, Cadbury has come out saying that 473 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: they will no longer work with her. They said that 474 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: Jarday's view doesn't reflect their values, and they continued by 475 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: saying they have no plans to engage with jar Day 476 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: in the foreseeable future. And I am really interested to 477 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: see what other brands follow suit with this. 478 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm talking in middles right now because I just don't 479 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 4: even want to say it, because I still not got 480 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 4: the keys yak to our new house. 481 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: Fresh from purchasing her dream home, Molly mag has surprised 482 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: her followers by announcing she launching a new Instagram home account, 483 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: as well as a moving series on her YouTube channel. 484 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: This comes after the creative director of Pretty Little Thing 485 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: previously vowed to keep her home offline. Now. This followed 486 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: a burglary where thieves made off with eight hundred thousand 487 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: pounds worth of her belongings. Now, so she seemed pretty 488 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: ecstatic to finally have some good news to share with 489 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: her followers. Yeah, it was really nice to see her 490 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: so happy because she has had a really bad past 491 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: six months. She did face severe backlash for those controversial 492 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: twenty four hour comments that we previously spoke about. She's 493 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: also had a number of health scares and as you mentioned, 494 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: the apartment that she shared with her boyfriend, Tommy Fury 495 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: was also robbed. 496 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: And it's clear that it has. 497 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: Been quite a journey for Molly and Tommy. They have 498 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: been looking for three years now, and during that time 499 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: they said they viewed hundreds of houses and put in 500 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: offers and also pulled out of offers. So the fact 501 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: that they have found a house that suits their huge 502 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: expectations is quite a big deal. Now, Molly explained that 503 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: the house isn't exactly a renovation job, which they thought 504 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: they were going to get, but they will be making 505 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: a couple of changes to make it perfect. Is this 506 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: like Saffron Barker's house that was perfectly fine, but she's 507 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: decided to knock down every single wall. Well, I don't 508 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: think the renovations are going to be that big, because 509 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: they said that they planned to build a gym not 510 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: through bathroom walls, to create large on suites, and also 511 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: transform a bedroom into her large dressing room. It's so 512 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: funny because I've been looking for houses and I'll be 513 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: ecstatic if there's only two bedrooms because I think no 514 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: one will want the house. Like it's funny the different 515 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: expectations people. 516 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: Have, or when you've got millions and millions of dollars, 517 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: I think you've got high expectations. 518 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: And as all influences and celebrities seem to do, Molly 519 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: is throwing out all of the old furniture and buying 520 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: everything new. So she has enlisted the help of an 521 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: interior designer and said that she is starting from scratch. 522 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: And it was quite interesting because during the vlog, she 523 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: took viewers along to the two storage units where her 524 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: furniture from her old apartment lives, and this was from 525 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: their original apartment in Manchester, which got so after the 526 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: house got robbed. Her manager, Fran, who literally seems to 527 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: run her whole life, she immediately got all of the 528 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: furniture out and put it into storage. So apparently Molly 529 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: and Tommy are going to be temporarily using this old 530 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: furniture while the renovations are being done in their new home, 531 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: and then they will be getting rid of it all. Also, 532 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: did they get the new apartment fully furnished or something. Yeah, 533 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: it was fully furnished when they moved into it, and 534 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: because they didn't plan on being in that apartment long, 535 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: it suited them really well. And I think also Fran, 536 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: her manager, didn't want to have lots of old furniture 537 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: there to remind them of their memories of the old apartment, 538 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: because they seem quite scarred by the robbery. I did 539 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: notice that their massive teddy Bear had been put into storage, 540 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: and that's what Molly seemed most connected to. I do 541 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: love the fact that she loves soft toys, so I'm 542 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: glad the robbers didn't take the teddy bear. Well, the 543 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: teddy bear she rectified. The situation has been brought back 544 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: to her current apartment. What I also did quite enjoy 545 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: is that Molly admitted that she's so excited to move 546 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: into a new house that she's literally driven past the 547 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: new house every single night for the past three months 548 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: and parked out the front. And she said that the 549 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: original owner must think she's a real creet. See I 550 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: do that with houses that I go out and see. 551 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: I'll find myself just driving past them and I haven't 552 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: even bought them, And you just think, can I imagine 553 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: myself living here this? Yeah, but you don't have a 554 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: range Rover, So like n obvious. Now, Molly May really 555 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: did surprise her followers when she announced that she is 556 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: starting a home account called Molly Mason and also sharing 557 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: the house journey on her YouTube channel, including a tour 558 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: that she will be doing of her current rental on 559 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: YouTube now following the robbery in October, Molly previously did 560 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: a tell or video where she told her followers she 561 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: would no longer be doing house tours in her rental 562 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: or in her new house that she eventually buys. So 563 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: Molly said on YouTube that she knows she's going to 564 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of opinions about her backflip, but she's 565 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: sick of the awful experience stopping her from doing something 566 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: she's dreamt of. Here's what Molly had to say. 567 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: I'm going to pass something up on the home account, 568 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: maybe on the story, just to say not like a disclaimer, 569 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 4: but I know I'm going to get a lot of 570 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: opinions about having a home account after what happened with 571 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: the burglary. 572 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: At Are you guys okay with what. 573 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 4: Happened with the burglary at the apartment? I think a 574 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: lot of people will have been expecting me to literally 575 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 4: not show an inch of the new place. But since 576 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: this house search started, I've dreamt of having a home account, 577 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: and I feel like to let previous events and a 578 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: horrible situation like affect what we decide to do in 579 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: the future, and like to just, I don't know, like 580 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 4: stop me from doing things I want to do, Like 581 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 4: why would I do that? I'm just honest. I wrote 582 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 4: down a list of like having a home account, of 583 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 4: the things that I would need to implement if I 584 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 4: was going to do that, and then the things that 585 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: I wouldn't need to worry about if I didn't have 586 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: the home account, and I decided, you know what, I'm 587 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: just going to start one because the things that I 588 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 4: need to change in order to have it, I was 589 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 4: going to do any way to the house in terms 590 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: of like security and whatever, and things that I definitely 591 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 4: won't be showing. I'm only going to be showing little snippets. 592 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 4: It's not going to be anything. 593 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 1: Crazy now Crazily, in the two days that Molly's home 594 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: account has been live, she's already attracted eight hundred and 595 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thousand follow so it's clear there is a big 596 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: demand for this account. Now. There is a trend of 597 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: UK influencers running home accounts, and presumably it is quite 598 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: lucrative to promote or collaborate with homewares products or launch 599 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: their own homewares range. So a lot of people believe 600 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: that's why Molly has launched this account. And it's important 601 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: to touch on the fact that Molly said she'll be 602 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: implementing twenty four hour security at her new house and 603 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: also only show snippets of. 604 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: The home now. 605 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: During this flog, I loved it because Molly actually took 606 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: us along to visit the house and you could see 607 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: the lengths her staff were going to to make sure 608 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: no one could work out where the house was so 609 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: one of her staff members actually put the blinds down 610 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: so you could not even see through the windows once 611 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: inside the home. That being said, though, the room itself 612 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: that she was showing was very unique. 613 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: So this room is going. 614 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: To become Molly's dressing room, and it had pastor green 615 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: walls and very signature artwork and very unique light fitting. 616 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: So if that house was featured on an online rear 617 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: estate page, you'd be very quick to pick out the address. 618 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: She is not buying a house from their equivalent of 619 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: real estate dot com dot au. 620 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: This is a house that they list mansions on there though. 621 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: No but this I feel like because of all the 622 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: issues that Molly and Tommy have had, Fran would have 623 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: gone out and seek this house. Have you not seen 624 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the show lux listings? They have not, Bud, She's not 625 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: going online. 626 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: To get this house. 627 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: I assumed it would be privately listed. That being said, 628 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: the UK newspapers are already reporting specific details about the house, 629 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: and these are details that Tommy and Molly have not shared. 630 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: They are reporting that the couple paid four million pounds 631 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: for the house in Cheshire, which both six bedrooms and 632 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: spans five thousand square feet, and we can see from 633 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: Molly's homepage that the house has a grand entrance, complete 634 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: with double front doors, marble flooring, and an elegant staircase. 635 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: A saurce said that Molly loved the bohemian influence, which 636 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: is reminiscent of her travels to Ibetha, Tulum, and Mexico. Now, 637 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: what do you guys think about Molly made hus to 638 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: go public with their new house. I was pretty surprised 639 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: by the announcement. However, when I saw Molly's vlog I 640 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: did kind of agree with her. Why can't she have 641 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: the account? If she does have twenty four hour security 642 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: set up, if she is careful with what she shares, 643 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: why should she not be allowed to share stuff about 644 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: her home which she clearly wants to share with her 645 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: following because of this incident. 646 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. 647 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Celebrities really are only limited to a certain level of 648 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: privacy anyway, because they are continually followed by paparazzi who 649 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: follow their every move throughout the day and post photos 650 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: of them on their street near their houses. So I 651 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: feel like whether Molly decided to post about her house 652 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: or not, people probably would have found out where they live. 653 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: And as you say, Amy, the huge game change is 654 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: the fact that they have twenty four hour security around them. 655 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: And the security has been a fixture of Molly's vlogs 656 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: in the past because I remember watching a video where 657 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: you could literally see the security guard in the background 658 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: patrolling the yard constantly. So it's really great that they 659 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: do have a security team around them. And the reality 660 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: is she's not going to be posting the floor plan 661 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: of her house. She's going to be super careful what 662 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: she shares well, and that's the thing I also feel 663 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: for Molly because as an influencer, part of her job 664 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: is sharing her life with her followers and being open 665 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: and transparent about things, and buying a home is a 666 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: huge moment in anyone's life. Not to mention an influencer 667 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: when their career is about sharing these milestones and highlights. 668 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: And it's a really hard balance for influences between not 669 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: showing too much but not showing too little. And the 670 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: fact that the home account has only been out for 671 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: two days and has already generated eight hundred thousand followers, 672 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: it really says a lot help. 673 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: You're smart. 674 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Something here. 675 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: No I don't know, I. 676 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Mean, I just you know, wear a specialist gallery. Perhaps 677 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: if you knew what you were looking for, I could 678 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: help you. Someone else you could help me. 679 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to know buy smart. 680 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 4: I'm a collector and that. 681 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Sort of modern stuff. 682 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: Peaks. 683 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 4: Come downstairs, we'll see what we can do. 684 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: You only work in a shop, youn a, you can 685 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: drop the additive. 686 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: Yesterday, Instagram announced a big change to the platform. Amy, 687 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm dying to know what this change is. Well, as 688 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: of Thursday, Australian Instagram users now have the ability to 689 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: access two different feeds on Instagram. So the good news is, 690 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: chronological ordering of the Instagram feed is now back if 691 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: you choose to use it. So, so if you'll be 692 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: happy about this because Instagram used to display a chronological feed, 693 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I do remember it, yeah, and everyone loved it. But 694 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen it switched over to the algorithmic feed 695 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: and they received a lot of backlash by doing this. 696 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: So head of Instagram Adam Missouri took to Instagram reels 697 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: to make the announcement and explain that there are now 698 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: going to be two new ways to sort and check 699 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: your Instagram feed. So you now have the option to 700 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: view following and favorites. So when you select following, you'll 701 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: be able to view the posts of everyone you follow, 702 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: starting with the most recent post. Now, the Favorites feed 703 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: is also in chronological order, but this feed is made 704 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: up of your favorite fifty accounts, so you can pick 705 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: up to fifty accounts. This seems like a lot of 706 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: admin having to sit there and choose the top fifty accounts. 707 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: I definitely think that Instagram is threatened by TikTok, and 708 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: it's easy to see why it is the most popular 709 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: app at the moment. What I think super interesting is 710 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: whether these news feeds are going to affect influencer's reach 711 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people are going 712 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: to go on and favorite their friends rather than their 713 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: favorite influencers. Do you think that you'll favorite friends of influencers. 714 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: I reckon. I favor a lot of influencers, to be honest, 715 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: because I don't feel like a lot of my friends 716 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: post that much on Instagram. I mean, it is really 717 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: important for me to see my friends post, but then again, 718 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: I more catch up on Instagram. I don't know if 719 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: it's just because we run this podcast, but I catch 720 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: up on Instagram to see what influencers are up to. 721 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: But I think people are sick of influencers, and they're 722 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: sick of influencer ads, and I feel like that's one 723 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: of the reasons why Instagram is bringing back this chronological feed, 724 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: and also why they're focusing on who your favorite people are, 725 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: because sometimes you do miss out on seeing posts from 726 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: your friends, and that's the whole reason why social media 727 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: got so popular, because you want to hear about our 728 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: actual friends. If what you're saying is correct, I do 729 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: wonder if this is a move by Instagram to try 730 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: and take some power away from influences. And I also 731 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: wonder what it means for Instagram advertising, because I'm wondering 732 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: if you click on your favorites list, does that mean 733 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: that ads don't show up in that section? Do they 734 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: only show up in the generic feed? Well, it's kind 735 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: of like last time Instagram did an update and they 736 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: cheekly threw in that every four or five posts there 737 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: was a sponsored post, So I'm sure it'll be something 738 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: along the same line as that. Well, what's really interesting 739 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: is that despite Instagram's decision, there has been a lot 740 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: of discussion online about how social media platforms really have 741 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: zero interest in giving users a default chronological order and 742 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: the reason behind this is because algorithmically ranked feeds are 743 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: more engaging and therefore they keep users scrolling for longer 744 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: on the platforms, which means they view more ads, which 745 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: translates into. 746 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: More for the platform. 747 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: So a lot of people have actually raised their eyebrows 748 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: at Instagram's decision to bring back the chronological order, and 749 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: many people are speculating maybe it's just to keep the 750 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: winges happy, because there are some people who have been 751 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: hounding the head of Instagram for this change back to 752 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: the chronological feed. See. I really want them to bring 753 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: back the tab where it shows what people like, because 754 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: that's where all the juicy details were from. I remember 755 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: being single and keeping an eye on a couple of 756 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: people to couple defeat one person. 757 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: Let's be honest. 758 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, ah, sometimes others about what they were liking. I mean, 759 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: it just gets a lot of guys and girls in trouble. 760 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: Really, it's a bit toxic. It's toxic, but I loved 761 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: it on there. Let's let's you know, we all love that. 762 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: Everyone loves keeping an eye pop and also it was 763 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: really good to show up the people. 764 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 3: Who were on those like follow like it. 765 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they always say your friends like liking 766 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: this random shit constantly, Like at three am, so and 767 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: so is liked fifty random papes. So sing from over 768 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: in a different country that had nothing to do. Yeah, 769 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: bring back that. Yeah, if you're listening anyone from the Instagram, 770 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: please bring that back. 771 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 3: I would love it. 772 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: Well, I'm kind of looking forward to the change because 773 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: there's so many accounts that I do miss, and it's 774 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: going to be really interesting because maybe we're going to 775 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: see lots of influencers suddenly go down in likes, because 776 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: you know when you realize that you're following someone and 777 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: you're like, what am I following this person? If you've 778 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: got to go in and do all this admin work 779 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: of choosing your favorites, I know I'm going to be 780 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: deleting some accounts. Do you remember They've got something It's 781 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: like some tab on Instagram and it shows the accounts 782 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: that you least interact. 783 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do go to that. I'm like, why am 784 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 3: I following this? 785 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: The other thing as well, is I feel like Instagram's 786 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: almost listening to me because I remember having a complete meltdown, 787 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: sort of Mikaela Tesla style, when they did get rid 788 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: of the likes and then miraculously they brought them back. 789 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 3: We'll have to see if they bring back that stalker. 790 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: Like option that you that you follow hopefully. 791 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 792 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's all we have time for today. 793 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for today's so 794 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: if you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 795 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple podcast and Spotify And we'd 796 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: love it if you could mention the show to a 797 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: friend because it does help us grow. 798 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: Our listener base. 799 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: And if you want to join in the conversation, you'll 800 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: have to head to our Facebook community, which has Outspoken 801 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: the podcast community. 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