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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking this morning about how the mall is

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Speaker 2: meant to be a safe space. You meet up with

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Speaker 2: your friends, get your baby and yourself out of the house.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a weekly visit to do some shopping and

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Speaker 2: just to veg out. It is our town square. But

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Speaker 2: after the tragic events that occurred at Bondi Junction and

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Speaker 2: the media coverage on our screens in our social media,

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Speaker 2: how do we navigate this so called safe space now

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Speaker 2: for our children psychologists? Clinical psychologist Joe Lamble is going

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Speaker 2: to give us some guidance. Good morning, Joe, Good morning guys.

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Speaker 2: So so sad, it is so so sad. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people have been talking about the man who escorted

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Speaker 2: his children from the mall with blindfolds over their eyes. Ironically,

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Speaker 2: that footage has now been seen by everybody. But what

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Speaker 2: foresight to try and protect his children from from all

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Speaker 2: the images that other kids are now being subjected to.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and then that man sounds like was in

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Speaker 1: a shop and being protected by staff who were just

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Speaker 1: amazing right across the center, and then yes, had the

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Speaker 1: sight to try and shield their eyes as they were

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Speaker 1: all escorted out. Yeah, it's incredible what parents will do.

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Speaker 2: So what do we do for the children who well,

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Speaker 2: obviously the children who were there, that's another that's a

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Speaker 2: very traumatic and different story. But what about for everyone

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Speaker 2: else's kids who are watching this play out on television

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Speaker 2: and on their social media screens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the keys and it's so different these days

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Speaker 1: because they are seeing so much more than we would

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Speaker 1: have in when we were that age. I think one

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Speaker 1: of the frightening things I heard was there were teens

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Speaker 1: who were hearing and hearing about this and seeing images

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Speaker 1: before it had got to the media because kids who

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Speaker 1: were there were busy posting things and so kids at

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Speaker 1: homes all over Australia were seeing what was playing out.

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Speaker 1: So it's really important that all parents check in with

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Speaker 1: their kids, what have you seen? What have you heard?

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Speaker 1: And it may be much more than you realize, and

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Speaker 1: they may not be telling you because they may fear

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Speaker 1: that they're going to get in trouble or that you're

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Speaker 1: going to say that's it, get off your phones. But

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Speaker 1: we need to know what they have seen, not then

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Speaker 1: reassure them they're not in trouble, just so we can

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Speaker 1: support them.

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Speaker 2: And how do we support them?

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Speaker 1: Well, the main thing is, you know, all parents know

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Speaker 1: their kids, you know, so some kids really want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it, and they will talk and talk and talk,

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Speaker 1: and we will listen and listen and listen. Other kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, your child is not one to open up,

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Speaker 1: So they're the ones we have to check in on.

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Speaker 1: Don't just wait for them to come to you. Check

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Speaker 1: in on the normal bill when there's little eye contact

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Speaker 1: in the car, beside them on the couch, and just

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Speaker 1: say how you're traveling, you know, what have you seen,

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Speaker 1: how you're feeling. So just don't feel like you'll bring

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Speaker 1: it up and making a big deal out of it

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Speaker 1: if you check in on them, because, as I said,

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Speaker 1: those kids who keep it all inside, they're the ones

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Speaker 1: we really need to be mindful of.

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Speaker 3: Well, we had that call this morning from the dad

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Speaker 3: and his little daughter said, I don't want to go

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Speaker 3: to the shop. He said, I don't want to get stabbed.

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Speaker 3: You what would you do when you get asked that question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be quite common. We're going to

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Speaker 1: look for any of these changes changes and sleep patterns

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Speaker 1: in nightmare, juice, appetite, and definitely this avoidance behavior. Avoidance

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Speaker 1: behavior is very common in traumatic events, because that's it's natural,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. We think, wow, there's danger there, so we

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Speaker 1: want to reassure them by saying, I can understand that.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to say, don'd be silly, don't be silly.

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Speaker 1: Of course you'll be fine. You say, no, that's totally

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Speaker 1: normal that you want to avoid the shopping centdron when

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Speaker 1: it's fine to lay low for now. And then you're

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Speaker 1: just very gently, as we do in any anxiety reducing event,

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Speaker 1: is we just gradually take little steps just to the

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Speaker 1: local shops with them, you know, and you reassure them

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Speaker 1: and we say as often as we can, you are safe,

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Speaker 1: you are safe, you are safe. And so it will

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Speaker 1: take some time and some kids, again according to their personality,

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Speaker 1: according to their situations, some will take a bit longer

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Speaker 1: than others. Some might take months and months.

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Speaker 3: Well, Joe, always a treat to have you on, and

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Speaker 3: it'd be good to have you on under good circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you should book Joe in for a good circumstances

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Speaker 3: chat great idea. It's a good idea, Joe. If you

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Speaker 3: want to get in contact with Joe. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Joe Lamble dot com, she's got our own website now, Joe,

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Speaker 3: Thank

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Speaker 1: You, Thanks guys,