WEBVTT - What It’s Like Living As A Diagnosed Sociopath

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Fromes. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're back with Flexi and Frumiani and we have a very,

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<v Speaker 2>very exciting guest. We don't have guests on the show

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<v Speaker 2>that often. It's often because we actually prefer the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of our own voices.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even a joke either. I quite like what

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing here. And every time then Brook will jump

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<v Speaker 3>in for a bit of added flavor. It's like the

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<v Speaker 3>Sesshwan chili pepper sess one. You say, I'm the prawn

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<v Speaker 3>and you're the spring onion. A little salt.

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper, okay, was a little salt and pepper, little salt

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<v Speaker 1>and pepper. That's it. You're a little Sultan pepper now that.

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<v Speaker 3>I okay, And we've had enough. In good news though,

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<v Speaker 3>if you ever wanted to talk to a sociopath, a

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<v Speaker 3>real one, not your ex, we have a whole diagnosed

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<v Speaker 3>sociopath coming to chat with us. Maybe this will reveal

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<v Speaker 3>that she's in fact our kin. Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember really quickly when someone DM do you saying

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<v Speaker 2>you're a sociopath?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? That did happen? That really hit different?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a oh it was antisocial personality disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go and chat to your community.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be calling Kaneka Bathra. She is a confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed sociopath. She takes a lot of pride in it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna ask her a few questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Kinika babes, it's flexing fruence. I reckon, We'll get

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<v Speaker 3>right into It' got a ton of questions for you.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, what series of events happens that leads

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<v Speaker 3>a person to go and get a diagnosis for antisocial

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<v Speaker 3>personality disorder aka sociopathy?

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<v Speaker 4>So I can only speak for myself at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>but it would be either a court mandated thing or

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<v Speaker 4>it would be for a mood disorder like a depression,

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<v Speaker 4>usually because a lot of us are significantly depressed, and

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<v Speaker 4>also if a family member seeks it out, so if

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<v Speaker 4>they want you to go into a couple therapy or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever to fix out what you're doing personally. I was

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<v Speaker 4>extremely depressed. So I was given the option of involuntary

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<v Speaker 4>commitment into a psych ward or a voluntary visit to

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<v Speaker 4>a psych and I chose the ladder. And when I

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<v Speaker 4>saw a letter of diagnosis, it said yep, ASPD, MPD

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<v Speaker 4>and major depressant disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the kind of markers or the symptoms of sociopathy? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I thought people use it or misuse it every day,

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<v Speaker 3>just say someone's like got a bad vibe.

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<v Speaker 4>So the markers would be essentially a lack of empathy,

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<v Speaker 4>serious charm, charisma, being able to be superficially glib and grandiose.

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<v Speaker 4>So we make a lot of false promptives, we make

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves seem like the best things from the planet. And

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<v Speaker 4>of course we can use these powers for good or bad,

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<v Speaker 4>because we can pretty much con most people into believing

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<v Speaker 4>most things. And people don't understand that there is obviously

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<v Speaker 4>a mask and when it slips, that's when you see

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<v Speaker 4>the real person and what the actually looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so do you have a mask absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something that you had to develop or is

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<v Speaker 2>that just kind of like has it been no?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, that I was I guess I do have developer.

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<v Speaker 4>As a child, I wouldn't say in recent years. As

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<v Speaker 4>a child, I kind of saw that what I was

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<v Speaker 4>doing would kind of put people off. So I watched

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<v Speaker 4>people who were successful and I would essentially just copy

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<v Speaker 4>them because I knew it will work, work, and so

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<v Speaker 4>I do have a mask of samity essentially where I

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<v Speaker 4>can talk about these issues and I can talk about

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<v Speaker 4>this from you know, a third person's point of view.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I actually told people my thoughts, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think i'd have very many friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because I was going to say, it's like the

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<v Speaker 3>way that you're able to elaborate on what your experiences,

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<v Speaker 3>it's done in such a self aware way. It almost

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<v Speaker 3>sounds really appealing. But then this is there's also like

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<v Speaker 3>an awareness of a mask right now in which you

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<v Speaker 3>have to like, you know, you're doing an interview, so

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<v Speaker 3>you're giving it to us straight in an appealing way.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so fascinating. So what made you start making

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<v Speaker 3>content about it? Though? Because I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not enough to like people just don't understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what's motivating you to let people in on something so intimate.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I've seen so much misinformation spread out across the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>across television, and I was just like, as somebody with

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<v Speaker 4>this diagnosis, you are completely wrong, because I saw an

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<v Speaker 4>interview of someone saying that, so if you've had don't

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy sex, they cannot form relationships with one another. They

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<v Speaker 4>cannot experience emotions, and I just wanted to say that

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<v Speaker 4>this is absolutely patently false. I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 4>like enough enough. I have decided to actually tell people

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<v Speaker 4>it's like to live with this because people think that

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<v Speaker 4>we are all Tad Bundy. Obviously there are shades of gray,

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<v Speaker 4>and while we may do some bad things, we also

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<v Speaker 4>do a lot of good things like fill and the breath,

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<v Speaker 4>which a lot of sociopaths do if they're in a

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<v Speaker 4>position of power, not because of the welfare of others,

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<v Speaker 4>but because obviously it does make them look better.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, maybe it's necessary evils, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe they do it for the tax break.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I hope. Actually, yeah, some of them do

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<v Speaker 4>it for a text break. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I wanted to quickly play a TikTok of yours

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<v Speaker 3>where you were talking about what it's like to not

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<v Speaker 3>feel guilt, which I found like extremely illuminating and really

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<v Speaker 3>awesome to listen to. So we're going to play it

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<v Speaker 3>now for context and then come back to you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a diagnosisiopath and I've never felt guilt, nor do

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<v Speaker 5>I want to. What's the point of feeling bad about

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<v Speaker 5>something you've already done? You can't undo it. Guilt is

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<v Speaker 5>a control mechanism by society. I had a coworker friend

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<v Speaker 5>in my sales job. He was sick and I offered

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<v Speaker 5>to help him with the sales leads. I stole his leads,

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<v Speaker 5>got promoted, and he got fired. It was a good week,

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<v Speaker 5>not necessarily for him. I bet most of you would

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<v Speaker 5>feel bad about it for months. Meanwhile, I enjoyed that

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<v Speaker 5>money on a holiday. I rewarded myself with a nice

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<v Speaker 5>Pritor bag. I'm sure he'll find another job, just probably

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<v Speaker 5>not in sales. Imagine what you could do if you

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<v Speaker 5>didn't feel guilt. Guilt someone's like wasted time to.

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<v Speaker 3>Me when we got to the Imagine what you could

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<v Speaker 3>do without guilt, I said, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>In because you're exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that in a lot of ways, guilt is

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<v Speaker 3>such it's just such like an ambiguous feelings. What are

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<v Speaker 3>we doing it for? Where's the better to em to

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<v Speaker 3>validate themselves for feeling so much guilt? And it's like

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<v Speaker 3>why get over it?

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<v Speaker 4>And it's especially women. Women are prones a feeling so

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<v Speaker 4>much guilt for everything that they do, especially women who

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<v Speaker 4>are you know, mother. They'll put their kids first and

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<v Speaker 4>they'll feel bad if the kid eats after they do,

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<v Speaker 4>which my mom does. Actually, my mom feels terrible if

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<v Speaker 4>I don't eat before she does. She won't eat if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not eating. So I feel like a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>women are put in the position of hating themselves and

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<v Speaker 4>feeling bad absolutely everything that they do if it does

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<v Speaker 4>deserve somebody else, and that it's something I needed to

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<v Speaker 4>speak out on.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the approach you done.

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<v Speaker 2>That is quite a fantastic philanthropic in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your time absolutely, and if we want

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<v Speaker 2>to find you, where do we go?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So I am on Instagram as Pinnica Butcher, I'm on

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<v Speaker 4>TikTok as ogkniker Butcher, and my YouTube is kinico Butcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, You've got it all locked down. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>see that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, See you later, See you later.

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