Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Fromes. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: You're back with Flexi and Frumiani and we have a very,
Speaker 2: very exciting guest. We don't have guests on the show
Speaker 2: that often. It's often because we actually prefer the sound
Speaker 2: of our own voices.
Speaker 3: It's not even a joke either. I quite like what
Speaker 3: we're doing here. And every time then Brook will jump
Speaker 3: in for a bit of added flavor. It's like the
Speaker 3: Sesshwan chili pepper sess one. You say, I'm the prawn
Speaker 3: and you're the spring onion. A little salt.
Speaker 1: Pepper, okay, was a little salt and pepper, little salt
Speaker 1: and pepper. That's it. You're a little Sultan pepper now that.
Speaker 3: I okay, And we've had enough. In good news though,
Speaker 3: if you ever wanted to talk to a sociopath, a
Speaker 3: real one, not your ex, we have a whole diagnosed
Speaker 3: sociopath coming to chat with us. Maybe this will reveal
Speaker 3: that she's in fact our kin. Maybe not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember really quickly when someone DM do you saying
Speaker 2: you're a sociopath?
Speaker 1: Yes? That did happen? That really hit different?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: It was a oh it was antisocial personality disorder.
Speaker 1: Let's go and chat to your community.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be calling Kaneka Bathra. She is a confirmed
Speaker 2: diagnosed sociopath. She takes a lot of pride in it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna ask her a few questions.
Speaker 3: Hello, Kinika babes, it's flexing fruence. I reckon, We'll get
Speaker 3: right into It' got a ton of questions for you.
Speaker 3: First of all, what series of events happens that leads
Speaker 3: a person to go and get a diagnosis for antisocial
Speaker 3: personality disorder aka sociopathy?
Speaker 4: So I can only speak for myself at this point,
Speaker 4: but it would be either a court mandated thing or
Speaker 4: it would be for a mood disorder like a depression,
Speaker 4: usually because a lot of us are significantly depressed, and
Speaker 4: also if a family member seeks it out, so if
Speaker 4: they want you to go into a couple therapy or
Speaker 4: whatever to fix out what you're doing personally. I was
Speaker 4: extremely depressed. So I was given the option of involuntary
Speaker 4: commitment into a psych ward or a voluntary visit to
Speaker 4: a psych and I chose the ladder. And when I
Speaker 4: saw a letter of diagnosis, it said yep, ASPD, MPD
Speaker 4: and major depressant disorder.
Speaker 1: What are the kind of markers or the symptoms of sociopathy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 3: Because I thought people use it or misuse it every day,
Speaker 3: just say someone's like got a bad vibe.
Speaker 4: So the markers would be essentially a lack of empathy,
Speaker 4: serious charm, charisma, being able to be superficially glib and grandiose.
Speaker 4: So we make a lot of false promptives, we make
Speaker 4: ourselves seem like the best things from the planet. And
Speaker 4: of course we can use these powers for good or bad,
Speaker 4: because we can pretty much con most people into believing
Speaker 4: most things. And people don't understand that there is obviously
Speaker 4: a mask and when it slips, that's when you see
Speaker 4: the real person and what the actually looks like.
Speaker 1: Right, And so do you have a mask absolutely?
Speaker 2: Is that something that you had to develop or is
Speaker 2: that just kind of like has it been no?
Speaker 4: No, no, that I was I guess I do have developer.
Speaker 4: As a child, I wouldn't say in recent years. As
Speaker 4: a child, I kind of saw that what I was
Speaker 4: doing would kind of put people off. So I watched
Speaker 4: people who were successful and I would essentially just copy
Speaker 4: them because I knew it will work, work, and so
Speaker 4: I do have a mask of samity essentially where I
Speaker 4: can talk about these issues and I can talk about
Speaker 4: this from you know, a third person's point of view.
Speaker 4: But if I actually told people my thoughts, I don't
Speaker 4: think i'd have very many friends.
Speaker 3: Yes, because I was going to say, it's like the
Speaker 3: way that you're able to elaborate on what your experiences,
Speaker 3: it's done in such a self aware way. It almost
Speaker 3: sounds really appealing. But then this is there's also like
Speaker 3: an awareness of a mask right now in which you
Speaker 3: have to like, you know, you're doing an interview, so
Speaker 3: you're giving it to us straight in an appealing way.
Speaker 3: This is so fascinating. So what made you start making
Speaker 3: content about it? Though? Because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not enough to like people just don't understand, you know,
Speaker 3: what's motivating you to let people in on something so intimate.
Speaker 4: Because I've seen so much misinformation spread out across the internet,
Speaker 4: across television, and I was just like, as somebody with
Speaker 4: this diagnosis, you are completely wrong, because I saw an
Speaker 4: interview of someone saying that, so if you've had don't
Speaker 4: enjoy sex, they cannot form relationships with one another. They
Speaker 4: cannot experience emotions, and I just wanted to say that
Speaker 4: this is absolutely patently false. I was like, this is
Speaker 4: like enough enough. I have decided to actually tell people
Speaker 4: it's like to live with this because people think that
Speaker 4: we are all Tad Bundy. Obviously there are shades of gray,
Speaker 4: and while we may do some bad things, we also
Speaker 4: do a lot of good things like fill and the breath,
Speaker 4: which a lot of sociopaths do if they're in a
Speaker 4: position of power, not because of the welfare of others,
Speaker 4: but because obviously it does make them look better.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, maybe it's necessary evils, right.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they do it for the tax break.
Speaker 4: That's what I hope. Actually, yeah, some of them do
Speaker 4: it for a text break. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, I wanted to quickly play a TikTok of yours
Speaker 3: where you were talking about what it's like to not
Speaker 3: feel guilt, which I found like extremely illuminating and really
Speaker 3: awesome to listen to. So we're going to play it
Speaker 3: now for context and then come back to you.
Speaker 5: I'm a diagnosisiopath and I've never felt guilt, nor do
Speaker 5: I want to. What's the point of feeling bad about
Speaker 5: something you've already done? You can't undo it. Guilt is
Speaker 5: a control mechanism by society. I had a coworker friend
Speaker 5: in my sales job. He was sick and I offered
Speaker 5: to help him with the sales leads. I stole his leads,
Speaker 5: got promoted, and he got fired. It was a good week,
Speaker 5: not necessarily for him. I bet most of you would
Speaker 5: feel bad about it for months. Meanwhile, I enjoyed that
Speaker 5: money on a holiday. I rewarded myself with a nice
Speaker 5: Pritor bag. I'm sure he'll find another job, just probably
Speaker 5: not in sales. Imagine what you could do if you
Speaker 5: didn't feel guilt. Guilt someone's like wasted time to.
Speaker 3: Me when we got to the Imagine what you could
Speaker 3: do without guilt, I said, I'm.
Speaker 1: In because you're exactly right.
Speaker 3: I think that in a lot of ways, guilt is
Speaker 3: such it's just such like an ambiguous feelings. What are
Speaker 3: we doing it for? Where's the better to em to
Speaker 3: validate themselves for feeling so much guilt? And it's like
Speaker 3: why get over it?
Speaker 4: And it's especially women. Women are prones a feeling so
Speaker 4: much guilt for everything that they do, especially women who
Speaker 4: are you know, mother. They'll put their kids first and
Speaker 4: they'll feel bad if the kid eats after they do,
Speaker 4: which my mom does. Actually, my mom feels terrible if
Speaker 4: I don't eat before she does. She won't eat if
Speaker 4: I'm not eating. So I feel like a lot of
Speaker 4: women are put in the position of hating themselves and
Speaker 4: feeling bad absolutely everything that they do if it does
Speaker 4: deserve somebody else, and that it's something I needed to
Speaker 4: speak out on.
Speaker 1: I like the approach you done.
Speaker 2: That is quite a fantastic philanthropic in and of itself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time absolutely, and if we want
Speaker 2: to find you, where do we go?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I am on Instagram as Pinnica Butcher, I'm on
Speaker 4: TikTok as ogkniker Butcher, and my YouTube is kinico Butcher.
Speaker 1: Amazing, You've got it all locked down. I like to
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, See you later, See you later.
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