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Speaker 1: When was the last time you had a really hard

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Speaker 1: decision to make. Maybe it was whether to accept a

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Speaker 1: new job offer. Perhaps it was an important decision about

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Speaker 1: the direction in which to take a project, or maybe

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Speaker 1: it was something in your personal life, like whether to

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Speaker 1: leave a relationship. Decisions can be hard, but founder of

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Speaker 1: ever Note Phil Libbon says that hard decisions fall into

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Speaker 1: two distinct categories, and it's really important before making a

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Speaker 1: big decision to work out which of these two categories

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Speaker 1: the decision falls into. My name is doctor amanthe Immer.

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Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist and the founder of behavioral science

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Speaker 1: consultancy Inventium. And this is how I work a show

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Speaker 1: about how to help you do your best work. On

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Speaker 1: today is my favorite Tip episode, we go back to

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Speaker 1: an interview from the past and I pick out my

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Speaker 1: favorite tip from that interview. In today's show, I speak

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Speaker 1: with Phil Libbin about what he has learned about the

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Speaker 1: difference between difficult and unpleasant decisions.

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Speaker 2: That's probably one of my favorite kind of things that

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Speaker 2: I've that I've learned that I've figured out about myself.

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Speaker 2: I found that whenever I think, oh man, that's a

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Speaker 2: really hard decision, like that's a hard decision. Whenever that happens.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I feel like something's a hard decision, I like

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Speaker 2: a little red flag goes off and I ask myself,

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Speaker 2: is it hard like it's difficult to know what the

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Speaker 2: right answer is?

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Speaker 3: Or is it hard like it's unpleasant?

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Speaker 2: And usually the vast majority of time, when I forced

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Speaker 2: myself I think through that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, I know what the right answer is.

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Speaker 3: It's just unpleasant.

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Speaker 2: So probably ninety percent of the decisions that I perceive

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Speaker 2: as quote unquote hard, they're not actually difficult to know

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Speaker 2: what the right answer is. I know what the right

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Speaker 2: answer is. They're just unpleasant. They're scary. There's something about

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Speaker 2: him that that's bad. And once I kind of identify

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Speaker 2: which one it is, then then things become clear.

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Speaker 3: Not easy, but clear.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, if a decision is unpleasant, you should still do

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Speaker 2: the right thing, regardless of whether it's pleasant or unpleasant.

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Speaker 3: You just have to deal with the unpleasantness.

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Speaker 2: But I think what I used to do is really

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Speaker 2: conflate those two things, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people conflate that. I think a lot of people conflate

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Speaker 2: difficult decisions with unpleasant decisions, and they pretend that it's

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Speaker 2: hard to know what the right answer is when really

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Speaker 2: it's just an unpleasant answer. Uh. And yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 2: like a that's probably my favorite, like management hack or

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Speaker 2: life hack.

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Speaker 3: It's just like something's a hard decision hard how.

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Speaker 1: And when you have an unpleasant decision to action? How

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Speaker 1: do you approach that conversation?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: It mean it's very situation right, it depends on what's

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Speaker 2: what's unpleasant about it and how, and but ultimately you

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Speaker 2: just you have to do the right thing and you

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Speaker 2: have to do the right thing. Like I very much

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Speaker 2: dislike words like fearless. I think for a while it

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Speaker 2: seems to it seems to be receding, it seems.

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Speaker 3: To be in remission.

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Speaker 2: But for a while, like if you years ago, everyone

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Speaker 2: was like something something fearless, something something, it was like

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 3: Way overused word.

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Speaker 2: And I think fearless is really like people. Fearless people

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Speaker 2: are just genuinely stupid. They really don't have any fear.

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Speaker 2: Then they're clearly too dumb to understand what the danger is.

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Speaker 2: I never try to be fearless. Being brave is about

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Speaker 2: experiencing fear. Like if you're not afraid, you're not brave.

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Speaker 2: You're just dumb, so you have to you know, you

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Speaker 2: experience the fear and the trepidation, and you allow yourself

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Speaker 2: to experience and you just do the thing that you

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Speaker 2: have to do anyway, because that's that's the right thing

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Speaker 2: to do. It's not easy, but it's simple.

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Speaker 1: Ever since hearing this tip, I think about it all

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Speaker 1: the time. When I'm faced with a big decision, the

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Speaker 1: very first thing I ask myself is whether it's difficult

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Speaker 1: or just unpleasant? And this has saved me an inordinate

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Speaker 1: amount of time and headspace when it comes to decision making.

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