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Speaker 1: It is Brook Illingworth. Good morning to you, Brook.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going, Katie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Really well? Now, Brook, I understand that you're going

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Speaker 2: are you at, well Brook?

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Speaker 1: I think that that is a very fair call to

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Speaker 1: that detail. Thank you very much for having a chat

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Katie, appreciate you helping us. Thank

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Speaker 1: Out, no worries at all, Thank you. Brooke