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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast. Flex and Frooms on kit.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be quick for me, take your time, Edge Edge,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate edging. Really, this spends how much time I've got?

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<v Speaker 1>How much time do you usually kill yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Give myself? Yeah, I'm not getting into this. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get paid enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know you were frud She's like freaks. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no fruit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm no fruit.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't start me sis. You are wearing a tangerine No

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm bad? Did we talk about this last time?

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<v Speaker 3>Went?

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<v Speaker 1>When for me? Searching for content, She'll start to solict

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<v Speaker 1>out with Brooki and I are wearing fine. The way

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<v Speaker 1>she looks at us, it feels that there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>disdain and judgment that you can't even accept the compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time she looked at Brookie and said this amazing

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<v Speaker 1>like beaded intricate headband, and she through me looks her

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<v Speaker 1>dead pain in the eye and said, you're wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>headband with crusty microplastics and thought that wasn't offensive. She's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Get into the podcast. It's done. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into the podcast. This is Flex and Frooms on Kata.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knew would be debating body odor on the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Froom show. But listen to this. It's a DM

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<v Speaker 1>from Jade. They say, we've had a couple of really

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<v Speaker 1>hot days lately and there's one guy in the office

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<v Speaker 1>that has been lacking deodorant. Great phrase, sans dio. It

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<v Speaker 1>got me thinking everyone has an individual scent, but why

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<v Speaker 1>does everyone's bio smell the same? I'm gonna disagree off

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<v Speaker 1>the jump off the dough bo. There's different strains, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There's different strains, different mutations. And this is why I

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<v Speaker 1>spent twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one arguing about

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<v Speaker 1>hygiene on the internet, because I was being assaulted with

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<v Speaker 1>different degrees of scent.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the worst, I would say, is the dorito

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<v Speaker 2>when someone opens their arms up on a tram and

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<v Speaker 2>you just smell double cheese dorito.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA I'm like, I would say, what has to be

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<v Speaker 1>worse than that is the kind of BO that you

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<v Speaker 1>know has been cultivated over a lifetime. Like the sheets

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<v Speaker 1>don't get washed, the bin in the room does not

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<v Speaker 1>get emptied, the mess piles up and you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>the bo's layered This is not just one day stink

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<v Speaker 1>from last October. This shirt, they've worn it seventeen times

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty twenty one, and it's gone back in the cupboard,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the cupboard, back in the cupboard, back in

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<v Speaker 1>the cupboard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's scary light yellow underpits. I will say this person

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<v Speaker 2>espouses that all bo smells the same. However, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a friend in.

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<v Speaker 1>A personal story, which is a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>And he would eat a lot of yo chi, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a yogurt chain in Melbourne, Okay, and he'd eats

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<v Speaker 2>so much that he said his bo smell like yochi.

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<v Speaker 1>Which like if you from Melbourne, this is very iconic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would smell his under arms and it smelt

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<v Speaker 2>like a fat free yogurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of like it's how I imagine one of those

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<v Speaker 2>probib you cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was giving you cult. Okay, listen to this. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't use our personal experience as facts, as that

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<v Speaker 1>one guy said, facts not feelings. So Brookie has done

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<v Speaker 1>some research for us. Turns out men and women have

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<v Speaker 1>different smelling bio. I want to want to cite that study,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can keep going. Men more likely to have

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<v Speaker 1>cheese scents females are more likely to have onion or

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<v Speaker 1>greatful or remas. And I will say when I do

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<v Speaker 1>eat onion, can smart coming through? I can smart coming through?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this going to all others? Just going different body puts?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to specify one in particular?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? The research was done by Swiss researchers. Apparently none

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<v Speaker 1>of these compounds are secreted by the body, but actually

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<v Speaker 1>forming sweat on the skin because of the enzymes that

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<v Speaker 1>churn out bacteria. And according to life Hacker it's an

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<v Speaker 1>online publication, it can be quite difficult to detect your

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<v Speaker 1>own body odors because the receptors in your nose shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not dealing with it, please, I'm a star. How

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<v Speaker 1>they shut down after smelling the same sense for too long?

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<v Speaker 1>This is why you can't your house, Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 1>super dangerous other people's houses.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been It's an exercise gear NIKEI one piece.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been shoveled down into a bucket of exercise clothes

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. So if you want to smell it,

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<v Speaker 2>it smells dank.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And I only realized costume change.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's grub grabby marks on it. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know me, I don't think anyway. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into.

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<v Speaker 2>This on air in case you say that I smell.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's ever complained about me smelling.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's how it works. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>The cheese and the onion, that's what I can vouch for.

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<v Speaker 1>Onion. I can definitely vouch for onion. Look, why do

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<v Speaker 1>you think I'm pedantic about my hygiene. I know how

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<v Speaker 1>bad it can get. Okay, I know how bad it

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<v Speaker 1>can get, and that's why you layer, layer, layer, leave

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<v Speaker 1>no stone unturned. If something can smell good on the body,

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<v Speaker 1>let it what I'm working on currently at belly button.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always cleaning at my belly button, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning,

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<v Speaker 1>little not with the fingo. Those cutuibs you can't use

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<v Speaker 1>in your ears, straight down the gullet.

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<v Speaker 2>When you put it, cotton bud in your if you

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<v Speaker 2>put it in too deep, I will say FLEXI is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything better in this life than having a three

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<v Speaker 2>day I'm gonna say a depressive period, three day simfess

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<v Speaker 2>in bed uber eats not my culture, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>just get to experience your own scent and then wash

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<v Speaker 2>it all off.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know what happens underneath. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to I don't want to engage with me raw.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's my biggest fear for the apocalypse. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to see what this smells like. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see what the secretions do. We are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of assistance. Remain hydrated everyone, flexen frims, flexen frimester,

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<v Speaker 1>never miss a beat FLEXI.

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<v Speaker 2>I was recently listening to a podcast. It was recommended

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<v Speaker 2>by a friend of mine who is big into the

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<v Speaker 2>psychology game, and it is by a woman called Glennan Doyle,

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<v Speaker 2>and her podcast is We Can Do Hard Things with

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn and Doyle. This is recommended to me to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with criticism. Not often do I get criticism, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>doing a job like this, you're front facing. You are

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO of your own company, and therefore you are

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<v Speaker 2>pholden to criticism from far fun places. And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>have listened to this because it will give you some

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<v Speaker 2>interesting strategies that you can use when you're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>comments on the internet. So I think, really anybody can

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<v Speaker 2>use this when it comes to feedback from people in

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<v Speaker 2>their family in the life, people that abuse you in traffic,

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<v Speaker 2>and your boss a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>Its four distinct categories.

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<v Speaker 2>So Glennon has shared her sort your male rules. So

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<v Speaker 2>what this means is that you think of all criticism

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<v Speaker 2>you get as a mailbox, and in an ideal world,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have somebody else in your.

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<v Speaker 1>Team a mail room almost yeah, mailroom.

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<v Speaker 2>You would have someone else who will sift through all

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<v Speaker 2>of the comments you get, all of the feedback, all

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<v Speaker 2>of their emails, and they will find stuff that's oither

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<v Speaker 2>a constructive, which, as we know in this internet landscape,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to know what it really is hard when

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<v Speaker 2>you're self censoring. Maybe say five percent of criticism is structural.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's an x amount that is about your appearance,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is a bana never necessary. Another bit is

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<v Speaker 2>about your gender identity. Another one that can go in

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<v Speaker 2>the bin. Sexuality. Another one that's in the bin. These

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<v Speaker 2>aren't things we can necessarily change or want to change.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's personality, and this is a really hard one,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly if people who exist online. She says that if

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<v Speaker 2>someone is critiquing your personality, don't change it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm hearing is that five times out of

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<v Speaker 1>five and a half, don't listen to criticisms and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a point five where you could consider and even then

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<v Speaker 1>you should be in it. No, but I mean her

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<v Speaker 1>point was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about modern times and particularly women in the workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of criticism is about things that we can't change,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're gendered.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she mention criticism that's worth paying attention to. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a small amount. And I didn't really listen

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<v Speaker 2>to enough podcast to guess the bit to discern where

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who thinks your personality is annoying. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of me.

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<v Speaker 1>You said Marc has played You said Mark As played Marcs.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, maybe next week I'll listen to the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>it and come with a few more tips.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay just.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the dome, though, but just off the dome, like,

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<v Speaker 2>have a think, if someone's critiqued.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some areas where you should listen to criticism?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a serious question? For me?

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<v Speaker 2>It would be how you make others feel. I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you can be really honest and not realizing that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people think honesty is the best policy,

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<v Speaker 2>and they forget that sometimes you don't need to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest about certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, being a victim to a people pleaser, that is

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<v Speaker 1>some crazy stuff. A victim to a people pleasing I

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<v Speaker 1>heard of that. No, broadly speaking, it's someone who's hell

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<v Speaker 1>bent on doing something for you or showing up for

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<v Speaker 1>you in a way that you don't need, and they

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel really guilty about it. Oh, you're like, babes,

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<v Speaker 1>please like let me out.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a lot of these, So I think that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a nice interesting thing to talk about later.

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<v Speaker 2>Little ways that people are annoying and ways to how

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<v Speaker 2>do you say, diagnose them?

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<v Speaker 1>And perhaps when we'll have a think about it together,

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<v Speaker 1>areas of criticism worth listening to. Flex and frooms. Do

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<v Speaker 1>we need willpower or just a phone that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>social media? That is the question we're answering today on

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms. We've discussed these final bosses of consumerism.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, we talked about how the

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<v Speaker 1>mini bag trend just reads like maximum saturation. We're carrying

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<v Speaker 1>these things that are meant to be functional and scaling

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<v Speaker 1>them down so small that not even the basics can

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<v Speaker 1>fit in it. Not even a lip gloss, not even

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<v Speaker 1>a key, not even a phone. And so what's happened

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<v Speaker 1>is that the marketplace has responded and said, don't stress,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just make really really small phones. And so people

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<v Speaker 1>are going out and buying these tiny phones in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to their main phone that they can use when they

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<v Speaker 1>want to use their small bag. Can I get a

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<v Speaker 1>who rah hoho rah. Now we've recently come across a

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<v Speaker 1>new development, you know, in the e comm space. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the light phone, and it's designed to be used

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<v Speaker 1>as little as possible. Listen to this meet the.

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<v Speaker 2>Light phone too.

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<v Speaker 3>This cell phone's most remarkable feat is what it doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>It purposely lacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Tools like a camera and Internet browser because in an

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<v Speaker 3>increasingly online world, it's been uniquely created to be used

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<v Speaker 3>as infrequently as possible. Beyond calling and texting, this phone

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<v Speaker 3>can be used as a hotspot and an alarm. Tools

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<v Speaker 3>for music, podcasts, navigation, and a calculator can be added

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<v Speaker 3>to I swapped out my iPhone for a week and

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<v Speaker 3>used this phone instead. I found that the tools it

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<v Speaker 3>does have generally work well, and the ones it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>allow me to be present with my friends, family and

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<v Speaker 3>surroundings in a way I'm simply not able to when

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<v Speaker 3>using my iPhone?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of this product? Would you ever

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<v Speaker 1>try it? So for those of you who don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the visual aid, it kind of looks like a kindle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a black and white device. It doesn't even like

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<v Speaker 1>really give off led. None of the lot just is

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<v Speaker 1>like this paper looking device. What do you reckon about

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<v Speaker 1>the concept?

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it's cool, it's essentially just a phone without

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<v Speaker 2>social media or a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels outdated to me. It feels what's the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of progressive regressive? If phones can do stuff while they're

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<v Speaker 1>in a phone that can't do stuff. You just need

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<v Speaker 1>more self control, That's what I'm thinking. Also, it feels like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, It kind of reminds me of when

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<v Speaker 1>people take social media breaks but don't really think about

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<v Speaker 1>developing better habits. So they take this break, they feel

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<v Speaker 1>really empowered to come on and fall back into the

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<v Speaker 1>same habits, similar to people who take work breaks because

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<v Speaker 1>of burnout. You take this big break, you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>think about making any changes or habits. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>come back to this environment, you don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>manage yourself, and you fall back into the trap. My

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<v Speaker 1>concern with the light phone is that it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>address any of the current issues. You take away the source,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, you're still gonna interact with social media broadly.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you weren't gonna interact with social media broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>then you would just take it off your phone and

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<v Speaker 1>not buy a new phone to not use social media, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I think?

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<v Speaker 2>So if I were them, okay, I would just go

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<v Speaker 2>back into one of my drawers and pick out a

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<v Speaker 2>Motorol eraser yep from twenty years ago, little three G

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<v Speaker 2>three G moment, open it up and use it. I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a podcast I listen to called The Imperfects

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<v Speaker 2>with Ryan Shelton and Hugh von Cyclinton. Maybe I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how to pronounce his name. And Ryan Shelton stopped

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<v Speaker 2>using his iPhone and instead has a flip phone. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big deal. He's always been He's a

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<v Speaker 2>comedian and a creator. No phone, and he's loving it.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently. I've no doubt it'd be cool. In this instance.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like the unique selling point is the no

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<v Speaker 1>social media thing, and you just have a phone that

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<v Speaker 1>does what a phone is meant to do. Your current

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<v Speaker 1>phone does that. It does you just delete the art

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't want on the current phone you have.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what do I know? You know, a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of tape on the back of the camera. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to try it, but you know how like

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<v Speaker 1>when you're testing a new thing just to see, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really use it like you would in your everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing an experiment, so you behave in an experimental way. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like people blue buy garment but don't run. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna sell it taken hand on he Facebook Markplace.

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