Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast. Flex and Frooms on kit.
Speaker 1: Don't be quick for me, take your time, Edge Edge,
Speaker 1: I hate edging. Really, this spends how much time I've got?
Speaker 1: How much time do you usually kill yourself?
Speaker 2: Give myself? Yeah, I'm not getting into this. Okay, I
Speaker 2: didn't get paid enough.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were frud She's like freaks. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm no fruit.
Speaker 3: I'm no fruit.
Speaker 1: Don't start me sis. You are wearing a tangerine No
Speaker 1: when I'm bad? Did we talk about this last time?
Speaker 3: Went?
Speaker 1: When for me? Searching for content, She'll start to solict
Speaker 1: out with Brooki and I are wearing fine. The way
Speaker 1: she looks at us, it feels that there's so much
Speaker 1: disdain and judgment that you can't even accept the compliment.
Speaker 1: Last time she looked at Brookie and said this amazing
Speaker 1: like beaded intricate headband, and she through me looks her
Speaker 1: dead pain in the eye and said, you're wearing a
Speaker 1: headband with crusty microplastics and thought that wasn't offensive. She's insane.
Speaker 1: It was Get into the podcast. It's done. Let's get
Speaker 1: into the podcast. This is Flex and Frooms on Kata.
Speaker 1: Who knew would be debating body odor on the Flex
Speaker 1: and Froom show. But listen to this. It's a DM
Speaker 1: from Jade. They say, we've had a couple of really
Speaker 1: hot days lately and there's one guy in the office
Speaker 1: that has been lacking deodorant. Great phrase, sans dio. It
Speaker 1: got me thinking everyone has an individual scent, but why
Speaker 1: does everyone's bio smell the same? I'm gonna disagree off
Speaker 1: the jump off the dough bo. There's different strains, for sure.
Speaker 1: There's different strains, different mutations. And this is why I
Speaker 1: spent twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one arguing about
Speaker 1: hygiene on the internet, because I was being assaulted with
Speaker 1: different degrees of scent.
Speaker 2: One of the worst, I would say, is the dorito
Speaker 2: when someone opens their arms up on a tram and
Speaker 2: you just smell double cheese dorito.
Speaker 1: WHOA I'm like, I would say, what has to be
Speaker 1: worse than that is the kind of BO that you
Speaker 1: know has been cultivated over a lifetime. Like the sheets
Speaker 1: don't get washed, the bin in the room does not
Speaker 1: get emptied, the mess piles up and you can tell
Speaker 1: the bo's layered This is not just one day stink
Speaker 1: from last October. This shirt, they've worn it seventeen times
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one, and it's gone back in the cupboard,
Speaker 1: back in the cupboard, back in the cupboard, back in
Speaker 1: the cupboard.
Speaker 2: It's scary light yellow underpits. I will say this person
Speaker 2: espouses that all bo smells the same. However, I had
Speaker 2: a friend in.
Speaker 1: A personal story, which is a fact.
Speaker 2: And he would eat a lot of yo chi, which
Speaker 2: is a yogurt chain in Melbourne, Okay, and he'd eats
Speaker 2: so much that he said his bo smell like yochi.
Speaker 1: Which like if you from Melbourne, this is very iconic.
Speaker 2: And I would smell his under arms and it smelt
Speaker 2: like a fat free yogurt.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like it's how I imagine one of those
Speaker 2: probib you cult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was giving you cult. Okay, listen to this. Though,
Speaker 1: we can't use our personal experience as facts, as that
Speaker 1: one guy said, facts not feelings. So Brookie has done
Speaker 1: some research for us. Turns out men and women have
Speaker 1: different smelling bio. I want to want to cite that study,
Speaker 1: but we can keep going. Men more likely to have
Speaker 1: cheese scents females are more likely to have onion or
Speaker 1: greatful or remas. And I will say when I do
Speaker 1: eat onion, can smart coming through? I can smart coming through?
Speaker 1: Is this going to all others? Just going different body puts?
Speaker 1: Do you want to specify one in particular?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay? The research was done by Swiss researchers. Apparently none
Speaker 1: of these compounds are secreted by the body, but actually
Speaker 1: forming sweat on the skin because of the enzymes that
Speaker 1: churn out bacteria. And according to life Hacker it's an
Speaker 1: online publication, it can be quite difficult to detect your
Speaker 1: own body odors because the receptors in your nose shut down.
Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with it, please, I'm a star. How
Speaker 1: they shut down after smelling the same sense for too long?
Speaker 1: This is why you can't your house, Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: super dangerous other people's houses.
Speaker 2: This has been It's an exercise gear NIKEI one piece.
Speaker 2: It's been shoveled down into a bucket of exercise clothes
Speaker 2: for a long time. So if you want to smell it,
Speaker 2: it smells dank.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And I only realized costume change.
Speaker 1: I mean there's grub grabby marks on it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know me, I don't think anyway. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into.
Speaker 2: This on air in case you say that I smell.
Speaker 2: No one's ever complained about me smelling.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's how it works. I really don't.
Speaker 2: The cheese and the onion, that's what I can vouch for.
Speaker 1: Onion. I can definitely vouch for onion. Look, why do
Speaker 1: you think I'm pedantic about my hygiene. I know how
Speaker 1: bad it can get. Okay, I know how bad it
Speaker 1: can get, and that's why you layer, layer, layer, leave
Speaker 1: no stone unturned. If something can smell good on the body,
Speaker 1: let it what I'm working on currently at belly button.
Speaker 1: I'm always cleaning at my belly button, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning,
Speaker 1: little not with the fingo. Those cutuibs you can't use
Speaker 1: in your ears, straight down the gullet.
Speaker 2: When you put it, cotton bud in your if you
Speaker 2: put it in too deep, I will say FLEXI is
Speaker 2: there anything better in this life than having a three
Speaker 2: day I'm gonna say a depressive period, three day simfess
Speaker 2: in bed uber eats not my culture, and then you
Speaker 2: just get to experience your own scent and then wash
Speaker 2: it all off.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what happens underneath. I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to engage with me raw.
Speaker 1: And that's my biggest fear for the apocalypse. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see what this smells like. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see what the secretions do. We are a little
Speaker 1: bit of assistance. Remain hydrated everyone, flexen frims, flexen frimester,
Speaker 1: never miss a beat FLEXI.
Speaker 2: I was recently listening to a podcast. It was recommended
Speaker 2: by a friend of mine who is big into the
Speaker 2: psychology game, and it is by a woman called Glennan Doyle,
Speaker 2: and her podcast is We Can Do Hard Things with
Speaker 2: Glenn and Doyle. This is recommended to me to deal
Speaker 2: with criticism. Not often do I get criticism, okay, but
Speaker 2: doing a job like this, you're front facing. You are
Speaker 2: the CEO of your own company, and therefore you are
Speaker 2: pholden to criticism from far fun places. And she said,
Speaker 2: have listened to this because it will give you some
Speaker 2: interesting strategies that you can use when you're looking at
Speaker 2: comments on the internet. So I think, really anybody can
Speaker 2: use this when it comes to feedback from people in
Speaker 2: their family in the life, people that abuse you in traffic,
Speaker 2: and your boss a little different.
Speaker 1: Its four distinct categories.
Speaker 2: So Glennon has shared her sort your male rules. So
Speaker 2: what this means is that you think of all criticism
Speaker 2: you get as a mailbox, and in an ideal world,
Speaker 2: you would have somebody else in your.
Speaker 1: Team a mail room almost yeah, mailroom.
Speaker 2: You would have someone else who will sift through all
Speaker 2: of the comments you get, all of the feedback, all
Speaker 2: of their emails, and they will find stuff that's oither
Speaker 2: a constructive, which, as we know in this internet landscape,
Speaker 2: it's hard to know what it really is hard when
Speaker 2: you're self censoring. Maybe say five percent of criticism is structural.
Speaker 2: Then there's an x amount that is about your appearance,
Speaker 2: and that is a bana never necessary. Another bit is
Speaker 2: about your gender identity. Another one that can go in
Speaker 2: the bin. Sexuality. Another one that's in the bin. These
Speaker 2: aren't things we can necessarily change or want to change.
Speaker 2: And then there's personality, and this is a really hard one,
Speaker 2: particularly if people who exist online. She says that if
Speaker 2: someone is critiquing your personality, don't change it.
Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing is that five times out of
Speaker 1: five and a half, don't listen to criticisms and there's
Speaker 1: a point five where you could consider and even then
Speaker 1: you should be in it. No, but I mean her
Speaker 1: point was interesting.
Speaker 2: It was about modern times and particularly women in the workforce.
Speaker 2: A lot of criticism is about things that we can't change,
Speaker 2: and they're gendered.
Speaker 1: Did she mention criticism that's worth paying attention to. Yes.
Speaker 2: So that's a small amount. And I didn't really listen
Speaker 2: to enough podcast to guess the bit to discern where
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I just don't listen to.
Speaker 2: Anybody who thinks your personality is annoying. And I thought
Speaker 2: it's a bit of me.
Speaker 1: You said Marc has played You said Mark As played Marcs.
Speaker 2: Anyway, maybe next week I'll listen to the rest of
Speaker 2: it and come with a few more tips.
Speaker 1: It's okay just.
Speaker 2: Off the dome, though, but just off the dome, like,
Speaker 2: have a think, if someone's critiqued.
Speaker 1: What are some areas where you should listen to criticism?
Speaker 1: Is that a serious question? For me?
Speaker 2: It would be how you make others feel. I think
Speaker 2: sometimes you can be really honest and not realizing that.
Speaker 2: You know, some people think honesty is the best policy,
Speaker 2: and they forget that sometimes you don't need to be
Speaker 2: honest about certain things.
Speaker 1: Well, being a victim to a people pleaser, that is
Speaker 1: some crazy stuff. A victim to a people pleasing I
Speaker 1: heard of that. No, broadly speaking, it's someone who's hell
Speaker 1: bent on doing something for you or showing up for
Speaker 1: you in a way that you don't need, and they
Speaker 1: make you feel really guilty about it. Oh, you're like, babes,
Speaker 1: please like let me out.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of these, So I think that
Speaker 2: would be a nice interesting thing to talk about later.
Speaker 2: Little ways that people are annoying and ways to how
Speaker 2: do you say, diagnose them?
Speaker 1: And perhaps when we'll have a think about it together,
Speaker 1: areas of criticism worth listening to. Flex and frooms. Do
Speaker 1: we need willpower or just a phone that doesn't have
Speaker 1: social media? That is the question we're answering today on
Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms. We've discussed these final bosses of consumerism.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we talked about how the
Speaker 1: mini bag trend just reads like maximum saturation. We're carrying
Speaker 1: these things that are meant to be functional and scaling
Speaker 1: them down so small that not even the basics can
Speaker 1: fit in it. Not even a lip gloss, not even
Speaker 1: a key, not even a phone. And so what's happened
Speaker 1: is that the marketplace has responded and said, don't stress,
Speaker 1: We'll just make really really small phones. And so people
Speaker 1: are going out and buying these tiny phones in addition
Speaker 1: to their main phone that they can use when they
Speaker 1: want to use their small bag. Can I get a
Speaker 1: who rah hoho rah. Now we've recently come across a
Speaker 1: new development, you know, in the e comm space. It's
Speaker 1: called the light phone, and it's designed to be used
Speaker 1: as little as possible. Listen to this meet the.
Speaker 2: Light phone too.
Speaker 3: This cell phone's most remarkable feat is what it doesn't have.
Speaker 1: It purposely lacks.
Speaker 3: Tools like a camera and Internet browser because in an
Speaker 3: increasingly online world, it's been uniquely created to be used
Speaker 3: as infrequently as possible. Beyond calling and texting, this phone
Speaker 3: can be used as a hotspot and an alarm. Tools
Speaker 3: for music, podcasts, navigation, and a calculator can be added
Speaker 3: to I swapped out my iPhone for a week and
Speaker 3: used this phone instead. I found that the tools it
Speaker 3: does have generally work well, and the ones it doesn't
Speaker 3: allow me to be present with my friends, family and
Speaker 3: surroundings in a way I'm simply not able to when
Speaker 3: using my iPhone?
Speaker 1: What do you think of this product? Would you ever
Speaker 1: try it? So for those of you who don't have
Speaker 1: the visual aid, it kind of looks like a kindle.
Speaker 1: It's a black and white device. It doesn't even like
Speaker 1: really give off led. None of the lot just is
Speaker 1: like this paper looking device. What do you reckon about
Speaker 1: the concept?
Speaker 2: For me, it's cool, it's essentially just a phone without
Speaker 2: social media or a camera.
Speaker 1: It feels outdated to me. It feels what's the opposite
Speaker 1: of progressive regressive? If phones can do stuff while they're
Speaker 1: in a phone that can't do stuff. You just need
Speaker 1: more self control, That's what I'm thinking. Also, it feels like,
Speaker 1: you know what, It kind of reminds me of when
Speaker 1: people take social media breaks but don't really think about
Speaker 1: developing better habits. So they take this break, they feel
Speaker 1: really empowered to come on and fall back into the
Speaker 1: same habits, similar to people who take work breaks because
Speaker 1: of burnout. You take this big break, you don't really
Speaker 1: think about making any changes or habits. I mean, you
Speaker 1: come back to this environment, you don't know how to
Speaker 1: manage yourself, and you fall back into the trap. My
Speaker 1: concern with the light phone is that it doesn't really
Speaker 1: address any of the current issues. You take away the source,
Speaker 1: but like, you're still gonna interact with social media broadly.
Speaker 1: And if you weren't gonna interact with social media broadly,
Speaker 1: then you would just take it off your phone and
Speaker 1: not buy a new phone to not use social media, correct.
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: So if I were them, okay, I would just go
Speaker 2: back into one of my drawers and pick out a
Speaker 2: Motorol eraser yep from twenty years ago, little three G
Speaker 2: three G moment, open it up and use it. I
Speaker 2: know there's a podcast I listen to called The Imperfects
Speaker 2: with Ryan Shelton and Hugh von Cyclinton. Maybe I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how to pronounce his name. And Ryan Shelton stopped
Speaker 2: using his iPhone and instead has a flip phone. And
Speaker 2: this is a big deal. He's always been He's a
Speaker 2: comedian and a creator. No phone, and he's loving it.
Speaker 1: Apparently. I've no doubt it'd be cool. In this instance.
Speaker 1: It feels like the unique selling point is the no
Speaker 1: social media thing, and you just have a phone that
Speaker 1: does what a phone is meant to do. Your current
Speaker 1: phone does that. It does you just delete the art
Speaker 1: that you don't want on the current phone you have.
Speaker 1: I don't know what do I know? You know, a
Speaker 1: bit of tape on the back of the camera. I
Speaker 1: would like to try it, but you know how like
Speaker 1: when you're testing a new thing just to see, you
Speaker 1: don't really use it like you would in your everyday life.
Speaker 1: You're doing an experiment, so you behave in an experimental way. Exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like people blue buy garment but don't run. Literally,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sell it taken hand on he Facebook Markplace.
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