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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning, Satham.

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Speaker 2: You may have read this story on the weekend about

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Speaker 2: the real Lord of the Flies. The Lord of the

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Speaker 2: Flies is a novel and it was made into a

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Speaker 2: great film. The novel was written by William Golding in

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one as a story of boys who were

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Speaker 2: schoolboys shipwrecked on an island, and it's been used many

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Speaker 2: times as an allegory for what happens when we leave

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Speaker 2: our civilization behind, because the boys all turned on each

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Speaker 2: other in a very violent way. So many times.

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Speaker 1: We've always started off, well, they had the conch shell,

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Speaker 1: so what was Then whoever was holding the conch shell

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Speaker 1: got to talk, and Piggy he was. They called him

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Speaker 1: piggy because it was fat. It was fat, and he

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Speaker 1: had glasses. But they he had power because he had glasses,

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Speaker 1: because they used the glasses to light the fire. But

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Speaker 1: then you had the teams divide. You had the hunters

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Speaker 1: and gatherers killed the pig spilet's blood and you had

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Speaker 1: the gatherers like there was the hunters and the gatherers.

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Speaker 2: But then you scratch the surface and it all falls apart.

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Speaker 2: And that's been used for many examples of how we

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Speaker 2: feel about our society. You see it when civil like

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Speaker 2: in the States at the moment, scratch the surface and

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Speaker 2: it'll all fall into our disparate parts, and how angry

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Speaker 2: we all are at each other. And we've always believed

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Speaker 2: that really that's what human behavior was, this thin veneer

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Speaker 2: of civility over the top of our true natures. But

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Speaker 2: there was a story that happened in nineteen a true story.

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Speaker 2: It's true incident in nineteen seventy seven where real boys

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Speaker 2: were shipwrecked and the outcome was quite different. So these

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Speaker 2: boys went to a Catholic school in Tonga. They were

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Speaker 2: boarding school boys, very religious boys. But they were sick

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Speaker 2: of the food, they were sick of the life, and

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Speaker 2: they decided that they'd really go on a fishing expedition,

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Speaker 2: run away for a little while. They stole a boat,

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Speaker 2: went on a fishing trip from the capital of Tonga.

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Speaker 2: They got caught up in a storm and were shipwrecked.

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Speaker 2: They on a deserted island. They sailed for days and days,

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Speaker 2: saw no land, and they thought, what are we going

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Speaker 2: to do? They know it was terrifying for them, but

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Speaker 2: they finally saw some land. They was shipwrecked. There they said,

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Speaker 2: they made a packed, never to quarrel. They were finally

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Speaker 2: rescued by an Australian sea captain who saw some distant

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Speaker 2: hills that looked like they'd been burned, and he thought

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Speaker 2: that's weird. And the boys screamed at him and swam

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Speaker 2: out to his boat, saying well. The first boy he

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Speaker 2: reached the boat said, my name is Stephen. There are

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Speaker 2: six of us we reckon. We've been here for fifteen months.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And here's how they survived for that long. And they'd

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Speaker 2: been left for dead. Funerals had been held for them

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Speaker 2: at home, so they when they got to the island.

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Speaker 2: When they finally found land after days of just floating around,

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Speaker 2: they set to tasks. They set themselves, as the boys

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Speaker 2: said in Lord of the Rings, Lord of Flies, they

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Speaker 2: had tasks. They set up a roster for a garden, kitchen,

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Speaker 2: and guard duty. If they quarreled, they decided they'd have

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Speaker 2: a time out, so they made a packed. As they said,

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Speaker 2: never to fight, and they stuck to that. So they

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Speaker 2: collected water. They made a guitar from a piece of driftwood.

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Speaker 2: One boy broke his leg. The others set it using

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Speaker 2: sticks and leaves and they survived on fish on coconuts.

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Speaker 2: They found some chickens that had been left there from

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Speaker 2: previous tribes hundreds of years ago. And after they were rescued,

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Speaker 2: it was amazing. The local physician checked them out, could

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Speaker 2: not believe how physically strong, that what good condition they

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Speaker 2: are in. That boy's leg had healed perfectly. So when

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Speaker 2: they went back they were arrested because they'd stolen that boat.

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Speaker 2: The guy whose boat it was still held a grunt.

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Speaker 2: So the Australian captain who'd found them got money to

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Speaker 2: bail them out by by saying, this is an incredible story.

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Speaker 2: He got in touch with Channel seven and said, you

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Speaker 2: can have the Australian rights to the story. I'll have

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Speaker 2: international rights to the story and we'll pay to get

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Speaker 2: these boys out of prison. And they did. Channel seven

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Speaker 2: went over in film them. But I've never heard of

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Speaker 2: this story either until now. But I wonder if we've

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Speaker 2: never heard of this story is because it was conflict free.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't fit with the narrative that we want to see.

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Speaker 2: Even on Gilligan's Island there was a conflict. So these

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Speaker 2: boys worked in harmony, said their prayers every night. Fifteen

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Speaker 2: months later went back to it, just went back to

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Speaker 2: their lives and we don't even know about it because

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Speaker 2: it's not probably not dramatic enough.

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Speaker 1: That's why we've got Love Island.

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Speaker 2: That's why we've got Love Island. But we've always thought that,

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Speaker 2: as I said, underneath our human natures is this Royling

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Speaker 2: hatred and aggression. This the true story, Show that that's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily true. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Human nature is actually okay about the band well, particularly

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Speaker 1: when you team them up with Farnham.

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Speaker 2: Don't scratch the surface. I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda Morning