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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was, and joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning we have got the newly

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on being appointed to the ministry.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: It is a great privilege, a great honor, and I'm

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Speaker 4: looking forward to getting stuck in which after two weeks,

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Speaker 4: I know there's a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: There's yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Kezier Puric, the Independent member for Goid, good to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio with us this morning. Katy, Good

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Speaker 1: morning bush people, and of course Jared mainly the deputy

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Speaker 1: opposition later, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Jared, morning Katy, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you what bit of rain heading our

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Speaker 2: way by the look of things, bloody time. It's dark

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Speaker 2: out the dancing in the paddic.

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Speaker 1: Oh my godness, it's working, it's working.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness me.

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Speaker 1: Well, do take care if you are out on the

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Speaker 1: road though, because it does look as though it's quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of rain about. And I know that sometimes

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Speaker 1: people forget to turn their headlights on and forget how

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Speaker 1: to drive, so please remember to look out each other

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Speaker 1: on our roads. Now we are going to kick off

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Speaker 1: this morning with the fact that there's been unfortunately more

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Speaker 1: bad behavior in Alice Springs. I know the NT News

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Speaker 1: is reporting this morning that an Alice Springs resident has

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Speaker 1: taken to social media to appeal directly to teenagers attempting

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Speaker 1: to break into a Braitling home. A resident who said

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Speaker 1: they lived around Lackman Terrace and Dixon Road area posted

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Speaker 1: at about two point thirty on the Action for Alice

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Speaker 1: facebook page that children were attempting to break into their home.

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Speaker 1: Two young kids were trying to open and break all

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Speaker 1: of our windows around the house. The unidentified resident wrote, Lucky,

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Speaker 1: our camera notifications woke me up, and my partner had

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Speaker 1: ran off like little scared kids. They couldn't be older

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Speaker 1: than fourteen. Now, I do want to play for you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of audio from an Alice Springs mum

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Speaker 1: who we spoke to on the show yesterday. Now, unfortunately

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Speaker 1: she was in a pretty horrifying situation. If you miss

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Speaker 1: that interview with this Alice Springs mum who does want

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Speaker 1: to remain anonymous, we'll just play a bit of it

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Speaker 1: for you right now.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: They tried to come into the house to adults inside

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Speaker 6: with about seven little kids. When they left, the pilot

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Speaker 6: of the kids into the car in an attempt to

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Speaker 6: remove ourselves from the situation. They blocked us off on

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Speaker 6: away from them, and they've rocked the back of my window,

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Speaker 6: chip in the back of my car.

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Speaker 7: I've had the kids screaming and terrified, like you know,

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Speaker 7: the oldest kid is like nine. I called the police

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Speaker 7: and I waited for over two hours for them to respond, Like,

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Speaker 7: I don't know where else to look for help. Yes,

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Speaker 7: I'm terrified for my kids safety.

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Speaker 1: So that was a mum who we spoke to on

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Speaker 1: the show yesterday. I mean, you can hear the fear

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Speaker 1: should feel unsafe in their home. Your home should be

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Kady, it's absolutely awful.

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Speaker 4: It's horrendous and the experience that that mum and those

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: Within the Change of Ministry, Brent Potter has taken on

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Speaker 4: the police fort folio, and I'm pretty sure he's heading

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Speaker 3: But we've we've just got to do more.

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Speaker 4: I know that we need more police in our springs

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Speaker 4: and Brent's acutely aware of that.

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Speaker 3: So he'll be down.

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Speaker 4: There and the police will be doing their job. I

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Speaker 4: understand there's already been some arrests, but the police are

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Speaker 4: doing their job and they'll be cha chasing them up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately it's that we always hear from the labor government.

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Speaker 5: We've got to do more. It's a generational thing. We've

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Speaker 5: got to do more. This Labor government have been in

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Speaker 5: eighty in our the last twenty odd years. So these

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Speaker 5: young offenders who are offending now weren't even born when

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Speaker 5: this Labor government came to power, you know, twenty odd

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Speaker 5: government we've got to do more. We've got to plan,

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Speaker 5: We're going to go down and visit, but just not enough.

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Speaker 5: These people down there are living in there. Last year

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Speaker 5: We've had the winter months come through and things died

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Speaker 5: and already the crimes out of control. We've had the

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Speaker 5: police cars get thrown out. We've had that story with

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Speaker 5: for the police to get that. Alice Springs isn't a

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Speaker 1: Been some info that we've just had come through from

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Speaker 1: the police. Detectives from Strike Force Viper have arrested a

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Speaker 1: he's expected to be charged later today. Now, our understanding

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Speaker 1: is that arrest does relate to the woman that we

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Speaker 1: spoke to yesterday. So no doubt police. Police are doing

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Speaker 1: their jobs, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But the lord, it's just that there's so many jobs.

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Speaker 5: Remember, police just do interpret the law, and unfortunately the

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Speaker 5: law here is just not hard enough.

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Speaker 3: These kids have got no consequence.

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Speaker 5: We've got talking about a fourteen year old who's been

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Speaker 5: arrested for stoning someone's cart. You know, where does this

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Speaker 5: a fourteen year old think I think it's okay to

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Speaker 5: it's just unacceptable, and the Labor government do nothing about

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Speaker 5: it other than we all here, we've got to do more.

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Speaker 5: We're going to do this, We're going to do that,

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Speaker 5: We've got to do planet is something. We've had the

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Speaker 5: bail review six months of that and there was no action.

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Speaker 5: You know, the alcohol review came out and that review

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Speaker 5: said that there should be an opportunity for the police

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Speaker 5: to ask for names and for these people drinking in

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Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing and it's going to I suspect it.

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Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't, but it will get worse because,

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Speaker 2: as Jared said, the winter is passed and it's coming

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Speaker 2: into the summer month, so you know, it's not unpleasant

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Speaker 2: and not cold to be outside and running a mark

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Speaker 2: and historically we know from past experience that the summer

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's in fairness to the police, like

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Speaker 2: it took two hours, probably because they had other jobs.

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Speaker 2: You just can't drop a job if you're on a

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Speaker 2: did take that time. But because the police have so

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Speaker 2: many jobs, and they have so many jobs because there's

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Speaker 2: so much trouble now.

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Speaker 1: One thing that the mayor of Alice Springs raised with

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Speaker 1: he said, Katie, there are thirty four community organizations working

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Speaker 1: in this space in Alice Springs, and if those thirty

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Speaker 1: four organizations are doing their jobs and doing their jobs, well,

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Speaker 1: why have we got kids out on the street offending?

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Speaker 2: Katie met a few years back when I did I

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Speaker 2: was on the select committee looking into youth's suicide and

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Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before. We went to Alice Springs to

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Speaker 2: committee and we found out there was something like fifteen

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Speaker 2: I can't remember exact number, but it was a lot

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Speaker 2: of organizations like the churches, the nngos, the land Council

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Speaker 2: There was about fifteen or twenty of these kind of organizations,

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Speaker 2: all getting government and philanthropic funding, and they didn't talk

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Speaker 2: We went to Tenant Creek for the committee and then

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Speaker 2: there was only about six or eight sort of groups there.

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Speaker 2: Half them didn't even know the other half existed. So

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of organizations down there, Like there's thirty

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Speaker 2: don't even know each other. So that's where the money

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Speaker 2: is being squandered because they're all doing a little bit

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Speaker 2: Another one of those agencies, yeah, doing their bit.

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Speaker 1: The other point that he made is that's thirty four CEOs,

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Speaker 1: that's thirty four HR staff members, that's thirty four sort

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Speaker 2: Protect their force no doubt. Yeah, that's just the way

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Speaker 5: CLP and noted that we've called for we need a

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Speaker 5: review of that, how it's going to work, how much

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Speaker 5: but he didn't see any other agency out there helping.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure he mentioned that.

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Speaker 5: So where are these people out there who we know

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Speaker 5: and yet there's over government to be any power again,

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Speaker 5: and the CEOs are there. Why haven't they organized that

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Speaker 5: in the last seven years and started to fix a problem.

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Speaker 5: We know that winter's just finishing, with summer's coming, we

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Speaker 5: know the crime coming up, So why haven't they got

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Speaker 5: we know what's going to happen and get Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 5: government failed, not just the people of Alice Springs, this

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Speaker 5: is happening right across the northern Cherokee. The same stories

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Speaker 1: Thing that did give me a bit of hope throughout

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Speaker 1: the week and maybe I'm naive, but it did give

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Speaker 1: me a bit of hope that the new police Minister

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Speaker 1: had instantly gone out with those with police officers and

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Speaker 1: with the police Association. Now I believe as well that

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Speaker 1: he's going to Alice this weekend or if you're this weekend,

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Speaker 1: very soon.

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Speaker 3: Going to al Springs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I you know, I think it's incredibly

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Speaker 1: important that that happens. But I know that for a

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Speaker 1: lot of residents in Alice Springs that are listening this morning,

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Speaker 1: they'll be thinking, well, it shouldn't have needed a change

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Speaker 1: a change of minister to get some action because this

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Speaker 1: is something that they've been calling for. Let's not forget

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Speaker 1: the years started with Alice Springs in.

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Speaker 2: Christis Katie the other thing the two members. He may

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Speaker 2: And so I'm putting it out there to government, if

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Speaker 4: And what I would say, Katie, is it is good

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Speaker 3: They have arrested the fourteen year old and take the member.

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Speaker 4: For Nelson's point, it is good to see a newly

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Speaker 4: he's also knowledgeable. He was the police Advisor for a

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Speaker 4: with all the data, as much data and as much

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Speaker 5: The thing's going to be with that, Joel, is that

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Speaker 5: I've seen this. This needs to change and the person

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Speaker 4: Remember, for its just talking about cabinet processes of which

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Speaker 4: I've been exposed to now for two weeks. I've got

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Speaker 3: I just have that understand.

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Speaker 4: Who is opening his door to the NTPA to going

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we are going to see though

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Speaker 1: if you're picking up kids that are kids, is there

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Speaker 1: If you've got an offender that you're having to then

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Speaker 1: quite some time, and rightly so, the hospital is busy.

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Speaker 1: But are there ways that we can do things differently

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Speaker 4: I definitely hope so, Curtie and already Brent has brought

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Speaker 4: a suite of measures to the Cabinet table to discuss

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Speaker 4: he hasn't presented them and asked for approval as yet,

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Speaker 4: And we know what happened last year and that was awful, right,

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Speaker 4: And I was in Alice Springs during that period of time.

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Speaker 4: are a suite of measures that we are talking about.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to steal Brent Potts thunder here and

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Speaker 3: And it's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Alice Springs and I know some

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Speaker 1: Would you support this private members bill that Kisi is

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Speaker 2: Like, no one's saying that that's jail time. I don't

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Speaker 5: The government increase the criminal responsibility. So you're talking at

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Speaker 5: They can't be forced to do a diversion program.

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Speaker 3: Not even with this.

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Speaker 2: Could there be some kind of change? I mean, is

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Speaker 4: Any Private member's bill or any opposition bill goes through

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Speaker 4: We've seen a number of different pieces of legislation being

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Speaker 3: You can do things on urgency like.

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Speaker 1: For you, do you think that it's in line with

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Speaker 2: To their choice whether they do a diversion.

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Speaker 1: Program, Like I don't think that that's in line with

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Speaker 2: I think I don't really want to do a division program.

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Speaker 2: Ye're gone a bit more stealing.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying that a victim should have

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Speaker 2: A version, No, but I think I do.

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Speaker 2: My child to try and get all the right track done.

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Speaker 4: And that's actions and consequences.

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Speaker 3: I do that at home with my kids.

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Speaker 4: they're in the different pieces of legislation that are out there.

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Speaker 4: And I agree actions, if you do the wrong thing,

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Speaker 1: And look, I absolutely understand that not every family is

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. At the moment though we

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Speaker 2: Katie, there's still a lack of accountability at the basis

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Speaker 2: whatever that is, whether it means they do a community

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Speaker 5: They need that revolving door of shut out these kids

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Speaker 5: they don't get into trouble. We know, the labor government

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Speaker 5: the message they get us, well we do all we

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Speaker 4: And so case, I think you make a really good

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Speaker 3: Absolutely from Nelson Mandela.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're on the right track, and I

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Speaker 1: Last time screaming at their radios though going the Labour

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Speaker 2: And your two.

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Speaker 5: Years have been in power for a lot longer than's

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Speaker 5: But like I said earlier, this Labor government being in

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Speaker 5: when this when this Labor government come into power, and

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Speaker 5: the messages have just been getting less and less. Consequences

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Speaker 3: With crime going through the roof.

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Speaker 5: We end up with people getting stone in the car,

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Speaker 3: But it's just unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Member understand about the degenerational trauma. Do you understand that

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Speaker 2: Give everybody a quick breather.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine three

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Speaker 1: sixty Now before we get into our next topic of

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Speaker 1: the day, I do just want to make mention of

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Speaker 1: our mate Matt Cunningham he's.

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Speaker 2: Here today, Matt.

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Speaker 1: So he has actually been awarded the Well, he's been

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Speaker 1: crowned the Sir Kent Keith Murdoch Journalist of the Year

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Speaker 1: the News Corps Australia.

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Speaker 2: It's a very prestigious award.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations in addition to his ent yes to be of

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Speaker 1: the Year.

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Speaker 2: What a week for Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: There's a footy player, you'd be getting a part, You're

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Speaker 1: begetting an increase in your contract.

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Speaker 4: Or something with There a reason why he didn't show this,

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Speaker 4: He didn't ask him.

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Speaker 2: This is what happens when you have professionally in your job. Yes,

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Speaker 2: a few journists town that he's done incredibly well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has done incredibly well and rightly deserved. He's

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Speaker 1: been across the nation throughout the year working bloody hearts.

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Speaker 2: So good on him to the referendum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all the coverage of Alice Springs earlier in

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Speaker 1: the year, which we have indeed spoken quite a bit

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Speaker 1: about this morning.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Can I just ad he's one of the funnier journalists

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Speaker 4: in town right because you see him. He's got his camera,

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Speaker 4: he's got his microphone, he sets everything up himself into

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Speaker 4: one man band, and so you'll see him on a

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Speaker 4: corner down on the corner of Cavanah Street or something,

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Speaker 4: and he'll be setting up and then he'll jump behind

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Speaker 4: the camera and then sometimes you'll be wearing a jacket,

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Speaker 4: any shorts and thoughts.

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Speaker 1: The funniest time was when he was out in the

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Speaker 1: rural area and someone thought that he was doing something

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Speaker 1: dodgy and I think they even contacted the police, but

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Speaker 1: they should have just called you keys here and you

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to say, it's just coming in, it's

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Speaker 1: all good.

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Speaker 2: That's dodgy. He didn't trust that town.

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Speaker 3: Rule that you wear a shirt that.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: We will move along because if there is a lot

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Speaker 1: to cover off on this week, and I do want

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Speaker 1: to take you to a very serious situation, and that

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Speaker 1: is our domestic violence funding.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We kicked the week off this morning, or the week

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Speaker 1: off this week on Monday with the Chief Minister, Natasha

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Speaker 1: Files really asking whether the federal government is going to

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Speaker 1: come to the table on this.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We know that the domestic violence Coronial inquest continues, but

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Speaker 1: the federal government has delivered The Northern Territory News was

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Speaker 1: reporting earlier in the week escathing response to repeated please

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Speaker 1: for more funding in the fight against the territory's domestic

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Speaker 1: violence scourge. Now, the Social Services Minister, Amanda Rishworth said

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Speaker 1: the territory was receiving more than its per capita share

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Speaker 1: in a national partnership for domestic violence responses. That's a

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Speaker 1: claim the Northern Territory government and local advocates have disputed.

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Speaker 1: It comes as a four month inquest into the murders

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Speaker 1: of four Aboriginal women continues in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: And you know we have heard the.

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Speaker 1: Coroner has heard that three Territory women are killed each

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Speaker 1: year on average, with more than nine in ten of

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Speaker 1: those victims being Aboriginal, and domestic violence related homicides in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory are seven times higher than the national average.

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Speaker 2: Now that's a report in the Northern Territory News.

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Speaker 1: And we speak about domestic violence very often on this show.

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Speaker 1: We speak about incidents of domestic violence very often, the

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Speaker 1: callouts that police are called to every single day. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to domestic violence, we have to be looking

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Speaker 1: at things differently.

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Speaker 2: And Katie also don't forget there's a mandatory requirement to

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Speaker 2: report domestic violence incidents or suspected incidents or issues, so

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Speaker 2: they there may well be more that's not been captured

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Speaker 2: because one, people don't know about this legislative requirement. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've all got this responsibility. If we think there's something.

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Speaker 3: Wrong should be reasonably wide known.

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Speaker 4: There is a there's mantory reporting if you're aware of

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Speaker 4: an instance.

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Speaker 5: I know it's like that not that well known, but

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Speaker 5: I think people are just had enough of the DV

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Speaker 5: across the Northern Territory. And then the Labor government keep

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Speaker 5: trying to blame the feeds, and the feeds blame the

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Speaker 5: Labor government. Remember One, it's the anti government in charge.

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Speaker 5: They ultimately bus stops with them. Two, the Labor Government

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Speaker 5: is an Australia White Party, so their Labor Party cronies

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Speaker 5: are in power in the FED. So why do I

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Speaker 5: go and say to them and have a bit of

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Speaker 5: communication That doesn't happen obviously because they're trying to pass

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Speaker 5: the buck and blame each other.

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't sound like the FEDS are going to

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Speaker 1: come to the table like it doesn't sound as though

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Speaker 1: they're going to provide more funny more funding in this space.

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Speaker 2: So I guess what it makes Your question.

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Speaker 1: Is how is the Northern Territory government going to make

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Speaker 1: some inroads in this space, because we'd heard yesterday as

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Speaker 1: well at that inquest that this is having an impact

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Speaker 1: then in other ways, even.

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Speaker 2: On the topic that we were talking about a little

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Speaker 2: while ago.

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Speaker 1: This has an impact in so many different ways, and

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Speaker 1: there are people that are working so incredibly hard in

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Speaker 1: this space, but there needs to be more work done, Kate.

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Speaker 4: I think one, we need them to come to the party.

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Speaker 4: We need the feeds to come to the party. Has

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Speaker 4: been about two hundred and sixty million spent on dB

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Speaker 4: and associated stuff. So one, we need the federal government

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Speaker 4: to come to the party because we've got, as you said, Codie,

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Speaker 4: are seven times greater need so needs based funny means

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Speaker 4: we've got seven times it would be you know already

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Speaker 4: get great thought was less than that, right, but it's

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Speaker 4: not and we know the issues around that. As I said,

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Speaker 4: remember for Nelson, be genuine about the conversation. More money now,

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Speaker 4: and what we need is we need to engage through

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Speaker 4: everybody with the federal government around this and prosecute the

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Speaker 4: argument because there are budgets everywhere in every state and territory,

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Speaker 4: there's budgets and we need to prosecute our argument, like

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Speaker 4: I'm doing this when it comes to the dipple and infrastructure,

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Speaker 4: but I'm going to see Catherine King to prosecute the

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Speaker 4: element for more money for roads. We need to prosecute

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Speaker 4: the argument and Kate Warden's irrelevant minister for more money

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Speaker 4: for domestic violence and the hempts to stop this scourge

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Speaker 4: on our commission.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't done that well up until this point, because

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Speaker 1: you would think that they'd understand that.

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Speaker 4: I know that Kate Warden has written continually and extensively

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Speaker 4: to Amanda Riskworth. To the federal government we have a

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Speaker 4: very good relationship with. But it's a contested space when

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Speaker 4: you're coming to budgets anytime you talk.

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Speaker 1: About those budgets, so and when you look at some

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Speaker 1: of the areas and where we blow out the budget.

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Speaker 1: You know, infrastructure is one. I know you've just taken over,

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Speaker 1: but it is an area where we totally blow out

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Speaker 1: the budget quite regularly in different you know, on different projects.

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Speaker 1: Some of those millions of dollars would go very well

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Speaker 1: onto something like domestic violence, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 3: And we need to do both right.

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Speaker 4: We need to one deliver infrastructure projects and to mitigate blowouts.

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Speaker 4: But two we need to work with the FED. We

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Speaker 4: need to argue with the fees to say hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: give us needs based funding.

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Speaker 3: This is a great need in our community.

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Speaker 4: It diverts resources from the police, which means they're not

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Speaker 4: doing another jobs. That's one area. But we need to

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Speaker 4: try and look after those who are impacted and affected

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Speaker 4: by the.

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Speaker 1: Messa situation though, where the Northern Territory government sort of

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Speaker 1: trying to lay the blame on the fedce that we

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Speaker 1: need more money to try and fix this because they're

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Speaker 1: not making in rides.

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Speaker 2: You're not making it well.

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Speaker 5: As you know that the a Chief Minister thought Kate

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Speaker 5: Warden wasn't doing a very good job because she demoted

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Speaker 5: her right if you know that, that's a fact. She's

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Speaker 5: been demoted down and now she's just got these portfolios

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Speaker 5: and the main ones be taken off it. And we

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Speaker 5: know that domestic violence is going through the roof, and

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Speaker 5: we know that this Labor government keep trying to blame

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Speaker 5: other people. But they need a plan because just talking

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Speaker 5: about it, like they always say, we're going to do this,

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about here. Something needs to happen,

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Speaker 5: right now because their domestic violence is a scourged right

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Speaker 5: across the Northern territory. It affects not just that victims,

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Speaker 5: it affects the whole range of other factors. And this

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Speaker 5: labor government are doing nothing about it because the facts

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Speaker 5: it's just going through the roof.

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Speaker 2: I don't I haven't got my mind around why the

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Speaker 2: antigument expects the commonalf government to come and give them

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Speaker 2: more money. And I agree with Jared. If you want

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Speaker 2: to put in to get something from someone, whether it

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Speaker 2: be a bank, finance company, commwalf government, then you do

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Speaker 2: have to have a plan. You have to have a

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Speaker 2: detailed plan as to what you want, why you want it,

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Speaker 2: and where you're going to spend that money. Because if

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Speaker 2: you're getting common of money, is it going to be

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Speaker 2: is it going to be tied money or is it

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Speaker 2: going to be government agent has to equit the funds.

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Speaker 2: I presume they have to quit funds for lots of things.

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Speaker 2: But it's like where are you going to direct the fronds?

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Speaker 2: Like from what you've said about this data that's come

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Speaker 2: out of the Corona inquiry, it's heavily heavily within the

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal population. The domestic violence issue, not exclusively. We're just

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Speaker 2: see too clearly with shootings and the like in our community.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you've got to come up with some

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Speaker 2: detail or anti government. If they have got a plan,

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Speaker 2: let us know what it is so we can take

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Speaker 2: comfort that what you're doing is actually genuinely going to work.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there is no doubt the contributing factors to

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Speaker 2: the high level is alcohol. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Overcrowding of houses, poor houses, people coming from out of

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Speaker 2: bush coming into town, not going home again, creating mischief,

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Speaker 2: more alcohol, and so it goes on and on. Children,

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Speaker 2: children getting beaten up, children being sexually abused for whatever reason. Olcohol, Yes,

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Speaker 2: is one of the as I said, the major contributing factors.

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Speaker 2: But if you want more money from the common world,

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Speaker 2: maybe then you need to explain where it's actually going

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Speaker 2: to be spent. Because clearly the money that's been spent,

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Speaker 2: and I don't take it away from all those people

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Speaker 2: out there who work in this space to help victims

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Speaker 2: and to stop this happening. I don't do that at all.

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Speaker 2: But it's not getting better, it's getting worse. More people

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Speaker 2: are being beaten up and killed.

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Speaker 5: Well, look the government's spending money on my wasteful projects.

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Speaker 5: We've got this shape structure sitting here, there's been here.

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Speaker 5: There's spend one hundred thousand dollars a year on that

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Speaker 5: on just on maintenance, and.

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Speaker 2: That's the wrong plant.

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Speaker 3: We've had.

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Speaker 5: We've had overspends and all sorts of infrastructure that Joel's

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Speaker 5: going to find out about.

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Speaker 3: We've had the.

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Speaker 5: Time playground over here, you know, a million dollars overspend there.

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Speaker 5: What about the priorities of spending that money where it's

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Speaker 5: needed in health, education and the police.

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Speaker 3: What about the art galleries? Again, well, look, I.

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Speaker 1: Do want to move along to another topic that that

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Speaker 1: in some ways alcohol obviously is intertwined with other areas

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Speaker 1: that we've spoken about this morning, and something well we've

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Speaker 1: spoken to earlier in the week. The one of the

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Speaker 1: operators that the owner actually of the matter, Aranka Supermarket

663
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Speaker 1: and Tony joined us on the show to talk about

664
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's twenty five percent cap on alcohol

665
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Speaker 1: sales imposed on corner stores and the fact that it's

666
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Speaker 1: forcing some to shut shop and shut shop you know,

667
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Speaker 1: for numbers of days throughout the week to meet the requirements.

668
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Speaker 1: With fears growing from owners that they could soon go

669
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Speaker 1: out of business. Now, if you miss that interview with

670
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Speaker 1: Tony a little earlier in the week, take a listen

671
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Speaker 1: to what she had to say.

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Speaker 8: We've had moments where we've had to work out how

673
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 8: we're going to pay wages to our staff. We've had

674
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Speaker 8: to cut back on stuff. I've gone without wages for

675
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Speaker 8: probably three months of this year, and probably we'll do

676
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 8: for the next month while week or our bottle shop

677
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 8: is closed for November. It's having a huge impact, not

678
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 8: just financially but mentally as well with their generation and

679
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 8: our market. Yep, it is our life is we are

680
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 8: going to be sacrificed for a twenty five percent rule

681
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 8: on alcohol. I need to see that it's been for

682
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Speaker 8: a reason and I need to know that having a

683
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Speaker 8: huge impact and it's not just been a decision that's

684
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Speaker 8: been made to be seen to be doing something about

685
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 8: alcohol problems in the Northern Territory.

686
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Speaker 1: So that's Tony Kutchky on the show a little earlier

687
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Speaker 1: in the word yesterday.

688
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Speaker 2: This is this is happening more and more. First of all,

689
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Speaker 2: it started with Zakoli with the Lay's shop, and then

690
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Speaker 2: there was I think Noulan boy had a shop or

691
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: one of those places over there, and now this lady

692
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: at Mataranka and see us. There's no doubt about it.

693
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Speaker 2: Because I can't name people. I won't name people, but

694
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: they are specifically targeting the corner store. Oh that's not

695
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: their prime business selling alcohol, they should should sell groceries.

696
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Speaker 2: Well that may have been historically, Move on people. Those

697
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: corner stores, whoever they are, do serve alcohol as part

698
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: of their service to the consumers. And you're going to

699
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Speaker 2: see more of these corner store small shops like at Mataranka.

700
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Speaker 2: There's nothing between Catherine and probably done Mara Tenant Creek.

701
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Speaker 2: You know that because if the store shuts, they also

702
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: take away the petrol. So it's going to have a

703
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: flow on effect into our tourism and our travelers and

704
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: our small business people that go up and down that track.

705
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: And they're not buying booze, they're buying the other goods

706
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: and services that those places provide. Like some of these

707
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: often have a mechanic kind of person. You know, they

708
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: can't cons out because put the wrong fuel in it.

709
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, they're there to service with that kind of stuff.

710
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: So you know, I really think the government needs to

711
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: look at this carefully because you're doing a disservice. Thing

712
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: she'd spoken to us so about is the consequences which

713
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: they didn't think it through when they made this.

714
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Speaker 5: Made this another example their government got the wrong priorities.

715
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Speaker 5: They're going after these small business operators and people out

716
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: there at the corner stores instead of going after the

717
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: actual problem, drunks of people causing the problem. They're going

718
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 5: over these small businesses and mums and dads are they're

719
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Speaker 5: trying to earn a living kind of.

720
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Speaker 2: Stop the alcoholics just a word.

721
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing, you know, That's what she said,

722
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Speaker 1: that people were able to then to drive to other locations.

723
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Speaker 2: To get alcohol. I mean, Joel, do you reckon though.

724
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Speaker 1: Like if we when we talk about harm minimization when

725
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: it comes to alcohol, is something like this twenty five

726
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: percent cap really going to make a difference or do

727
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: we actually need to you know, be looking at things

728
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: a bit differently because you know, we've seen historically throughout

729
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the territory over the years. You know, we didn't have

730
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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy's into market because we're worried about the impact

731
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: that that was going to have. But we already had

732
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: the floor price in place. We've already got the BDR,

733
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: We've already got all of these other measures that if

734
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: they were working well, you wouldn't have to put a

735
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Speaker 1: cap on the supermarket.

736
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Speaker 4: And so Katie, those measures came from Justice Trevor Riley's review,

737
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: which most people are aware of. It was a comprehensive

738
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: review and Justice Riley and his team put together a

739
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: large amount of recommendations, all of which were accepted by

740
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Speaker 4: one at the time. So the government has attempted, in

741
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: its best endeavors, to address this alcohol issue through a

742
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: comprehensive review. I understand the grocery store that has the

743
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: caps and that can inhibit their sales and their opening hours.

744
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: I run a small business myself. I know how hard

745
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: it is to run a small business. I take Tony's point.

746
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: I didn't pay myself wages many weeks when we were

747
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 4: running our cafe restaurant, So it is really hard and

748
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: it can be really stressful. We need to understand and

749
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: acknowledge the scourge of alcohol in our society, and this

750
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: was just one measure from Justice Trevor Riley put in

751
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: place to try and do something about this huge issue

752
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: that we've.

753
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Speaker 2: Got to do so as somebody who has run a business.

754
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: As somebody who's run a business, you sort of go

755
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: imagine buying that business or having that business for three generations,

756
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: having your rules and regulations in place already, you know,

757
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: doing your best to sell and serve responsibly, respecting the community.

758
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: She said.

759
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's different times where they don't open when

760
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: there's a funeral on and things like that, so respecting

761
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: the community. But then the government implementing a rule that

762
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: then totally sort of changes your business model and that

763
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: you're not able to, you know, to operate in the

764
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Speaker 1: same way that you previously had and that been totally

765
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Speaker 1: out of it.

766
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Speaker 4: And that's hardly why there's been these licensed buybacked options.

767
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: And I know there's a number of conversations going on

768
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Speaker 4: in the background, but you know, we'll wait to see

769
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: where that lands. But it has changed the business model.

770
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: Right if you're a grocery store selling booze, then that's

771
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: different to just being intations.

772
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Speaker 1: It's a bit different though, right, Yeah, like matter raka,

773
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: it is very different because you're you know, you're the

774
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: only grocery store there for miles, so it is it's

775
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: a very different scenario.

776
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: You would think hand.

777
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: Look at the house Spring shops.

778
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 5: The house Ring Shops is there with the supermarket, and

779
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: you've got the takeaway literally twenty meters from it, you know,

780
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: the fund the actual selling the same stuff, so they've

781
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 5: got to twenty five percent.

782
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: You don't want to buy it there.

783
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 5: It's the pubble and they go the publish is twenty

784
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 5: fives away and the house Spring supermarkets a great super

785
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 5: Market's got a big selection of stuff and it's got

786
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 5: the alcohol on the side. So that is doing a

787
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: great community service and they might be affected by this.

788
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: Katie Doather thing that perhaps justus Rali and his cohorts

789
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: didn't really think about it and look at properly. In

790
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: the business setting is the grocery corner store is not

791
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: what it used to be. But there are so much

792
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: more competitors in the marketplace now, so it might not

793
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: be that their alcohol sales are going up their grocery

794
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: sales are coming down. You go to any petrol station

795
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: now and you can buy pretty much everything that in

796
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: an emergent situation. You can buy pet food, dog food,

797
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: fishing gear, you can buy sereal, you can buy milk,

798
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: you can buy biscuits, you can buy things those noodle

799
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: things you put in and you get them and eat

800
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: them in five minutes. So the minute noodles.

801
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: About about five.

802
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, I see, but.

803
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: It is the favorite lifelove. It's more than two.

804
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Minutes back to the grocery stores. So the grocery the

805
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: corner stores, they have more competition now, so it is

806
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: it is not that their boot sales are necessarily going up.

807
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: Their grocery sales are coming down, and so that's putting

808
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: it out of proportion. And that's what this review and

809
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Ryder's report didn't take into consideration. It didn't look

810
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: at the market forces.

811
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: And I never know what the market's going to do.

812
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 7: Right.

813
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 4: Market in the last three years, the entire world change right,

814
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: and hence we've got inflation, and when inflations come in,

815
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 4: it's changed the way the market works.

816
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: I do think, like from my discussion with Tony yesterday,

817
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: it does sound as though there needs to be some

818
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: serious work with these with these with these outlets or

819
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: with these stores to try and help them, but to

820
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: try and you know, if you're going to to absolutely

821
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: go down the path or stick down this path of

822
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: the twenty five percent, then you need to sit down

823
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: with those different businesses and be able to hear from

824
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: them exactly the kind of impact that it's having.

825
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: But also you know, like all the corner stores they

826
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: have a liquor license and a bottleshop attached to it

827
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: in the labor held electrics close for a few days.

828
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 4: Because then you're discriminating against location, against a small business.

829
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: Remember the free market.

830
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: On the conservative side of politics are going to let

831
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: the free market go.

832
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: You need to send a strong message to the government.

833
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: Remember for goid can you not be so and see

834
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: rageous they.

835
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: See how their residents subject when they can't get their

836
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 2: milk or their ice coffee, whatever.

837
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: Could immediately stop recording. They're going to season.

838
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: So what I spread over a whole year, That'll be

839
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: one little, one way.

840
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: That I think might help to some degree review.

841
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: It because days are out there.

842
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: You know, these small operators are hurting, so they could

843
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: change it very quickly.

844
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: So common a whole year.

845
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: Remember for not peak, and we're discussing the peaks, and

846
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: so we don't want to plant a market with alcohol.

847
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: That's what we don't want to That's why Dan Murphy's

848
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: was so contested.

849
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: Recording.

850
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: It's the quarterly reporting.

851
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: That's hitting that because at the moment they're in a

852
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: situation where like weekly, you know, they're having to make

853
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: these changes, which is a huge thing for them because

854
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: you don't have the certainty for your customers either.

855
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: They started it and they changed to at the beginning

856
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: of this year. If they went back to annual reporting,

857
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: it would solve this problem overnight.

858
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: Look, we are going to have to take it, but

859
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 5: to fix it immediately back to a year to deal

860
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 5: with the wet season and dry season, tourist season, and

861
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: then review it because it can't keep.

862
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: Working before we're gonna have to go to a break,

863
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 2: I'm afraid.

864
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Well, there's been quite a bit nationally happened this week

865
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: as well. Not only did we have that interest rate rise,

866
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: but we also well we had we had Optus customers

867
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: in a real spot of bother earlier in the week.

868
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: And if you're wondering.

869
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: Whether there are still payphones around the place, one of

870
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: our wonderful listeners throughout the week, she pulled over so

871
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: that she could actually ring from a payphone because she

872
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: was one of those Optus customers who could not use

873
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: the internet, make a phone call, do anything. The impact

874
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: that had on businesses.

875
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Was why for Uber drivers who were lined up with Optics,

876
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: they because they wouldn't been able to use their phone,

877
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: which is where they get all their data from by

878
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: their phone for their bookings, et cetera. I mean, any

879
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: business with Optus would have suffered, whether it be the

880
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: telephone or the internet. And it's really up Optus has

881
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: to explain. You know, how does a major telecommunications coming

882
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Speaker 2: there's only two big ones in Australia to them and

883
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: tells her how is it that they just blew up? Well,

884
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Speaker 2: how about their call today? You know from the CEO.

885
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Oh, we're not going to compensate, but you can get

886
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Speaker 1: some addition, all data.

887
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Speaker 2: Does anyone even use all their.

888
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Data some pre data on weekends?

889
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: Going to doing about this? Forget to see. Let's go

890
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: Gladys Bay of Lin and say, Gladys, what's going going

891
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: on the game.

892
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Speaker 3: Shouldn't it look a bit of pre planning.

893
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Speaker 5: Imagine if the tel and some sort of terrorist to

894
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Speaker 5: tack or something that and they blew up whatever you to.

895
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: Wake up call for me because my life is pretty

896
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Speaker 4: much in my phone.

897
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: I don't carry a wallet anymore. No, not with otors.

898
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: That's the problem. With people is they pay their cup

899
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: of coffee with their phone to help you magic to me,

900
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: but nothing beats still.

901
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: In the cash economy.

902
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Speaker 2: A lot of our listeners are as well.

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Speaker 1: They were saying, Wolfy, that's why you've got to have

904
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Speaker 1: enough enough money in your wallets to.

905
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: Have heiding money, have.

906
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: Any loose change or cash to give my kids lunch money.

907
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: And they've got what they call striggy account got Spriggy

908
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: accounts and they go to school and they can that.

909
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 3: Order that you can tap. Yeah, I mean I'm lucky.

910
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Speaker 7: Now.

911
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: I've actually got a folder in front of my front

912
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Speaker 4: of me with my diary because if I lost my phone,

913
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

914
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Speaker 2: It does show you that it is important. Shows it

915
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Speaker 2: shows the weaknesses of going, you know, with advance of

916
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: digital and technology and everything you know, moving along in life,

917
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: and it just shows where the weaknesses are. What do

918
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: you reckon do your risk assessment on your business? You

919
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: should be looking at that, yeah, or you Evan Joel,

920
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, like with your kids and with your phone

921
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Speaker 2: and everything.

922
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: Well, and I've.

923
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Speaker 4: Actually been given the Ministry for Business and this was

924
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 4: a wake up call for me yesterday thinking I wonder

925
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Speaker 4: whether business have actually got a float.

926
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Speaker 1: You know.

927
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Speaker 4: When I run my business, we always had a float,

928
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Speaker 4: We always had a knife.

929
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Speaker 2: Still would I reckon?

930
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but do that?

931
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe not. And I guess for some people,

932
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Speaker 1: you know, you sort of go. For some of us,

933
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: you never get money out. I always do. I like

934
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Speaker 1: to get one hundred bucks out a week and make

935
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: sure I've got that bit of cash just in case

936
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Speaker 1: it's replied for the kids lunches as.

937
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Well, because well I want the kids to also understand

938
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: how cash. You know, I like that cash is key.

939
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: Basically forget what it does here in Australia. That's bad enough.

940
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: But if people then start to travel and they relied

941
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: upon their phones to pay things without having back up

942
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: cash or a backup credit card just for the trip,

943
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: then you're in serious trouble. And typically the more risky

944
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: countries you go to forget the sort of western bloody

945
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: England's in London's in this kind of place in Canada's.

946
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: But if you travel further afield and you're relying upon

947
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: your phone to pay everything and to receive all your information,

948
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: I think that's poor planning. You should always have. I

949
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: do a little stash of boring old cash, you know,

950
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: to get you out of moose situation, and a physical

951
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: credit card.

952
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: The CEO of Optors survived this though, because you do

953
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: have to question what exactly has gone wrong here and

954
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: are they not maintaining the equipment that needs to.

955
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: Be So there's two big issues in the last six months,

956
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: when the data breach happened and now when there was

957
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 4: no data available and essentially Optors shut down. I would

958
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: struggle to see if the CEO can survive. And it

959
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: reminds me a little bit of Alan Joyce at Quantas.

960
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: You know, with a number of big issues they brought

961
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Speaker 4: forward his retirement and now there's a Senate inquiry into Quantus.

962
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: They should also be looking at the chairman of the

963
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: board of OPTAs because the chairman is at the highest

964
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Speaker 2: level of the directors on that board, and the board,

965
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Speaker 2: if there's any major decisions the same as Quantas, that

966
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: board would have known about it. So if the CEO

967
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: has to take a whole lot of responsibility, and as

968
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Speaker 2: she should be the CEO, then the board needs to

969
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: be looked at as well, because we saw that office.

970
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: And we also saw that with Quantus when Richard Gory

971
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: copped a lot of Flak and my understanding is that

972
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Speaker 4: he won't be seeking reelection Richard Goyder in twenty twenty five.

973
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Speaker 3: So the chair of Quantus is retiring.

974
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: The CEO of Quantus has retired and was forced a

975
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Speaker 4: little bit earlier. I can't see the CEO at Optors

976
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Speaker 4: surviving too much longer.

977
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Speaker 2: But it leaves that not only does people lose their

978
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Speaker 2: business as connections, there's also I don't know what you

979
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Speaker 2: call it, you know, the confidentiality the privacy was with

980
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: the going down of Optus, were the organizations or hospitals

981
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: or whatever that were put in a position of Sue's

982
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: confidentiality issues and privacy issue? Another question is, hang on,

983
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: but it's been good for Telster. Telster shares went up, Yeah,

984
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: I bet they did. We are going to have to

985
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Speaker 2: take a very quick break.

986
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty and that is pretty much it for us this morning.

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Speaker 1: For the week that was in the studio, we've had

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Speaker 1: Jared Jared Nelson.

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Speaker 2: Jared Maley, the member for Nelson.

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Speaker 3: Jared.

992
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: It looks a bit of rain happening out the rural

993
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 5: areas where the map is.

994
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: It's almost there.

995
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: I think we'll make things interesting at footy if it

996
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: doesn't dry out a bit. The Savo Keezier puric. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for your time. And Joel Boud Joel Bodden.

998
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: The minister.

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00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 4: At Darwin Mazda Oval tonight at night the seven pm

1000
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: so if there ain't comes in, calls it all down

1001
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: Nightcliff for playing Palmston.

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00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: I'll be down there. And good luck to Jared's daughter

1003
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: first game snap snap.

1004
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Against Pines in the under fourteen. Yeah, my daughter's in

1005
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: the under fourteen. She's with Tars.

1006
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: You go to.

1007
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: Football that Sandlos gave me, can get.

1008
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: You a share of football with my name?

1009
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, will teach how to kick it? Kezyzy.

1010
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: We'll have to get you down to run some water.

1011
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Hey do that? Hey, I reckon you could do that'd

1012
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: be great.

1013
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all so very much for your company

1014
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: this morning. And you are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four point nine three six eighties the week that was