1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Well as if the scandal which has plagued the Gunner 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,399 Speaker 1: government for more than a week wasn't enough, The Opposition 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: now says the failure of the Gunner government to refer 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: for investigation allegations of threats and intimidation by a labor 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: staffer towards the Member for Braitlink, Joshua Burgoyne, is further 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: proof of the toxic culture in the Chief Minister's office. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: I spoke to the Attorney General and Minister for Corrections, 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Parks and Indigenous Affairs earlier this morning, Selena Rubo, good morning. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning to your listeners. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Minister. Did a member of your staff threaten and intimidate 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: the Member for Braitley. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: So, Katie, I understand that there was an interaction and 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: exchange of words last week. I was unaware until emotion 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: was brought before the House yesterday in Parliament by the 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: Member for Braitling. It didn't name any staff members from 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: any ministerial officers, but as soon as the motion was 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: brought before the House by staff member did identify that 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: they had been involved in an exchange last week on 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Thursday evening. I was completely unaware that anything had occurred. 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: The staff member took absolute ownership of the incident in exchange. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: They had not been aware that the Member for Braitling 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: had been offended by the exchange. They unreservedly apologized and 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: provided a statement which I read out in the House. 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: Again the severity of a motion being brought before the House. 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: The employee that members we were able to speak freely 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: in the house. It is not a place that staff 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: were able to speak to. So I read the statement 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: on behalf of the staff member which had not realized 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: that the interaction in the exchange had been offensive to 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: the Member for Braitling and apologized for that. 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: But did that staff member intimidate the Member for Brightley. 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, there's no clarity necessarily from the motion that was 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: brought before the House yesterday. Katie and the staff member 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: had provided in the statement that they didn't use the 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: language that had been identified in the motion by the 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: memphi Braitling. So again still recognizing that it is improper 37 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: and appropriate for a staff member to speak to an 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: opposition MLA, particularly if there's offense that may be caused. 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: So just working through that yesterday as it came to light, Katie, 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: so I TA Member is absolutely apologetic, but honestly had 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: not realized that the exchange had caused the Memphi Braitling 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: any offense. 43 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: All right. The CLP opposition called for the matter to 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: be referred to the Privileges Committee for disciplinary action, but 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: the government did not allow this to happen and said 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: the staffer had been dealt with internally. As the Attorney General, 47 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: you are the first law officer of the Northern Territory. 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: Why did you not deem this incident as serious enough 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: to be referred to the Privileges Committee. 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: Again, Katie, we were unaware that the motion was being 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: brought before the House. That was yesterday morning. The motion 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: was adjourned off so we could work through the wording 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: of the motion. There were four points to the motion 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: that was brought before the House by the Member for Braitling. 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: As I mentioned, once the motion had been provided to 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,279 Speaker 2: the House, the staff member in my office had identified 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: that it was them who had the exchange with the 58 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: Member for Brailing. We had to work through what the 59 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: details and the interaction the exchange were. Again, we only 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: had the motion before us in front of the House. 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: We hadn't had any identification of whel it was the 62 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 2: member of staff had provided that information and worked through 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: and gone through their details and their story, and it 64 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: seems like it was a heated exchange of words and 65 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: again there's no clarity from the member for brailing its 66 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: words the effect of but there's no particular details in that. 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: We wanted to get the particular details to see what 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: type of consequence and the severity of the exchange. 69 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: So how has that now so how has that staff 70 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: member now journal process? How has that staff member now 71 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: been reprimanded? 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: That been provided a formal warning, Katie, which means if 73 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: there are any further incidents then it would be a 74 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: loss of a loss of the job. 75 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: Minister. There have been some really serious allegations made about 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: the team which you're part of over the last week. 77 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: The COLP claimed that there is a toxic culture on 78 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: the fifth floor of Parliament House. 79 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 2: Is that true, Katie? I don't believe that at all, 80 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: And I mean it's one thing to be saying comments 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: about different teams on the outside, but we've worked extremely 82 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: hard as a Labor government to try and differentiate ourselves 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: from the CLP opposition and the previous chaos days. And 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: we know, yes we were in the last term of 85 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Governor's Labor and of course we've had our rollercoasters along 86 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: the way, and particularly internally with some of the public 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: members of our team in the previous term and now 88 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 2: what's happened last week. But we've absolutely worked extremely hard 89 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: as team members and also our staff who have also 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: been tainted by different accusations which in some instances have 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: not been found true with evidence. 92 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: Minister, with respect, though, we have got a situation right 93 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: now where obviously you've had to just we're pressed for 94 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: time today, Minister, we are very much pressed for time, 95 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: so I want to get to the point here. We've 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: got a situation where there's allegations now of one of 97 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: your staff intimidating and threatening a member of the opposition. 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: We also have other allegations that have been made throughout 99 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the last week. Is there a culture of cover up 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: and bad behavior right now on the fifth floor of Parliament? 101 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: No O, Katie, I don't believe that that's a true 102 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: reflection of the culture we worked very hard to build 103 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: up for the Labor government. 104 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: All right, Minister, moving along, I do want to ask you, 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: because we know that the coorp Oor position is obviously 106 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: bringing this through Parliament today, do you support random drug 107 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: testing for those working inside Parliament House. 108 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: Katie, I think when we're talking about workplace responsibilities, you 109 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: would think that that would cover, particularly under the Code 110 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 2: of conduct when we employee staff, and I think that 111 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: that's strong. I don't believe that gossip and rumor that 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: then goes to I. 113 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: Think we've sort of gone past the point of gossip 114 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: and rumor. 115 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: Unfortunately implicated because of you know, a couple of things 116 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: that have come out and or accusations and allegations which 117 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: haven't been founded in regards to evidence, that then all 118 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: of all of the stuff, or all of the members 119 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: of Parliament would then be tainted with the same brunch. 120 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: So Minister, do you feel as though you feel as 121 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: though you know what's come out in the media over 122 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks is okay and appropriate? 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, Katie, That's not what I said at all. 124 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying when we're talking about codes of conduct of behavior, 125 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: we have two issues. So the issue last year of 126 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: the personal affair and the matter which obviously has played 127 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: out extremely publicly, and you know, I feel for the 128 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: member for Blaine's family in particular, that's one set. But 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: when we're talking about, you know, our culture and toxic 130 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: culture and the actions of staff members and members of Parliament. 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: We hold ourselves to a high standard, Katie, and that 132 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: is through and particularly with our staff, through a code 133 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: of conduct. We hold ourselves to a high standard. And 134 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: then saying just blatantly, oh, yes, everyone should be drug 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: tested because of some perception that people are doing the 136 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: wrong thing, and we absolutely don't believe that that's occurring. 137 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: There's no evidence to the contrary. That's what I disagree with, Katie. 138 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: All right, Minister, let's move along, because there is a 139 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: lot that I want to talk to you about, and 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: I know that you're very much pressed for time, and 141 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: let's be honest, there are some pretty serious other issues 142 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: floating around the territory at the moment. One of those 143 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: is Kakadu. Minister, are you concerned about these reports earlier 144 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: in the week that the relationship between traditional owners and 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: the management is still very much strained. 146 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: Yes, Katie, We obviously were aware of the four Corners 147 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: report which happened on Monday, but being a former local 148 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: member for Jaburu and Kakadu, I've spent quite a lot 149 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: of time, of course in that part of the Territory, 150 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: and particularly last year when it came to a head 151 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: when traditional owners were very explicitly unhappy with the management 152 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: from Parks Australia, which is Auspitz or headed from Canberra. 153 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: I believe that Parks Australia have tried to make some 154 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: adjustments to having some I guess local on the ground 155 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: authority to that particular organization. But what I can say 156 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: is that as a labor government, we are very strongly 157 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: committed to the future of Kakadu and Jaburu and the 158 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: residents in that area. And we do have some great 159 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: joint managed parks that are run through the Northern Territory 160 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: Department of Parks and Wildlife. So again acknowledging there's probably 161 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: a long way to go in terms of Kakadu, but 162 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: the part that the Northern Territory Government plays, we're willing 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: and committed to continue supporting the future of Jabru and Kakadu. 164 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Minister can I ask still in this vein there are 165 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: there was obviously a lot of talk a few weeks 166 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: ago about the introduction of those park fees for Northern 167 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Territory managed parks. Where are things at with that and 168 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: do we know yet exactly what those charges are going to. 169 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: Be, Katie. We do have some changes to the proposed 170 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: fee structure for our parks, and I know we spoke 171 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: in the past we were hoping that would be finalized 172 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: by this time. We're still working through a few details, 173 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: and in particular with our tourism operators and that industry 174 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: sector who run businesses in our parks. So just making 175 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: sure that we are touching all bases and and having 176 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: their important feedback before we release our final fee structures. 177 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: Has there been a decision made yet regarding windows on 178 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: the Wetlands, Katie? 179 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: The window on the Wetlands again a beautiful place and 180 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: in a beautiful part of the Northern Territory. Still working 181 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: through that. It's been temporarily closed, but we're looking at 182 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: possibly having an expression of interest process for that particular 183 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: facility release later on this year and then working through 184 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: that application process of the EOI. 185 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: All right, we'll keep a close eye on that one. 186 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Onto another topic, corrections. Last week we heard from Erina Early, 187 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: the head of the United Workers union, that staff at 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: the jail are unsafe and they may look to take 189 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: industrial action. Have you met with staff and the union 190 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: and what have they said to you. 191 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, So I have met with the union, and 192 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: I've met with the Prison Officers Association on a regular 193 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: basis as well. Katie and I have met with Arena 194 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: and some of the union team. They've been very productive 195 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: in our conversations and our interactions and particularly flagging any concerns. 196 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: Our Acting Commissioner has worked with them over the last week. 197 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: I'll be looking forward to an update next week. Last 198 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: week and meetings again this week. So making sure that 199 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: our corrections officers, who we know do a really tough 200 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: job and a great job at that in venturing that 201 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: they have all the support that they need, and particularly 202 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: if there are any concerns about safety or particularly staffing rosters. 203 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: We know that there's been a lot of long hours 204 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: and it's been a huge year, particularly last year with 205 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: COVID and some changes to be able to protect our 206 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: staff and the vulnerable population that are in the correction facilities. 207 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: So working through any of those concerns and I feel 208 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: like there is a very productive relationship there, Katie. 209 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: All right, Minister, I'm getting the hurry along from your staff, 210 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: so we are going to have to leave it there. 211 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: But I think I've got you on Friday for the 212 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: week that was in. 213 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: STEINAI looking for to it. Katie, good on. 214 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Your minister, thanks very much for your time today, Bet 215 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Thank you. That is the Minister 216 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: for well, she's the Attorney General, she's also the Minister 217 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: for various other portfolios. Selena Rubo there, she's got Indigenous 218 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: affairs as well as corrections and parks. Certainly a lot 219 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: to cover off on this morning, and I tell you what, 220 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: I know that there's going to be plenty of people 221 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: with pretty strong opinions following on from that interview. You know, 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: I had planned to spend quite a bit more time 223 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: talking about corrections in Kakadoo. Unfortunately the Minister did have 224 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: to get to another meeting. But we know that, you know, 225 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: this situation with the scandal that's been playing out in 226 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: the media over the last week or so has obviously 227 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's one side to the discussions that have 228 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: taken place. But then of course we hear yesterday in 229 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: Parliament the colp referring to Joshua Burgoyne Well allegedly receiving 230 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: allegations of threats and intimidation. I know it's my making 231 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people question what kind of culture there 232 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: is right now on the fifth floor of Parliament. Now, 233 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: I've said it a few times this week, but I'll 234 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: say it again. I know that there are plenty of 235 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: really great people that work inside Parliament House, particularly on 236 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: the fifth floor of Parliament, but I've got to say, 237 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: when this type of thing continues and continues to be raised, 238 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: you do need to question what exactly is going on 239 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: when you talk about leadership.