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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: After such an now abiding win on Saturday night, the

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Speaker 3: Matildas have secured a spot in a semi final. Another

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Speaker 3: public holiday will be on the cards for New South Wales,

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Speaker 3: ither of states around the country. I have to decide

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Speaker 3: those things for themselves. Someone who was there, with the

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Speaker 3: sellout crowd, the atmosphere, it must have been extraordinary, was

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Speaker 3: our Prime Minister, Anthony Alberanezi. He joins us now. Good morning,

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning. It was indeed amazing. I can't recall any

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Speaker 2: sporting event was quite the same tension as twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: spot kicks that took place, and there were three. Of

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Speaker 2: course we had to win it and the third time lucky.

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Speaker 2: It was an extraordinary game.

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Speaker 1: Are you a big soccer guy?

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm mainly I've got to say historically rugby league

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Speaker 2: and AFL in that order. But it was amazing. I

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Speaker 2: was there when we kicked again a spot kick to

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Speaker 2: beat Uruguay to go to the World Cup finals after

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Speaker 2: we'd missed out from nineteen seventy four right through for

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Speaker 2: a couple of decades. But this was something really, really

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Speaker 2: special and I think the whole of Australia being captivated

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Speaker 2: by this magnificent team of women on and off the field.

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Speaker 2: The gesture of Sam Kerr in giving her jumper to

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Speaker 2: that young girl, it was just symptomatic of the character

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Speaker 2: of Sam and the entire team. It is one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why I was really proud that Sam Kerr

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Speaker 2: was our flag bearer at the King's Coronation on behalf

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Speaker 2: of Australia earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about the deal you made with the French

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Speaker 3: president Emmanuel Macron.

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Speaker 2: Well, we did a deal by pytext and correspondence that

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Speaker 2: whoever won, we would back the other team in the

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Speaker 2: semi final. Now it happens that it's versus the English,

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Speaker 2: the old enemy. We're beating them and Rpe retained the

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Speaker 2: ashes and so this will be a good thing. He

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Speaker 2: has honored his word. He's a man of his word,

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel Macron, and he has tweeted out his support for

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Speaker 2: Australia in the semi final on Wednesday night, so he

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Speaker 2: joins every single Australian will be cheering. I think there

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Speaker 2: won't be much happening at eight o'clock on Wednesday night

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Speaker 2: except for the Tillies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be huge.

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Speaker 3: Look, I know we feel it's boring to talk about

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Speaker 3: the voice, but it's so important and there are some

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Speaker 3: people who still aren't sure what it's about. So can

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Speaker 3: I ask you again. I've heard a couple of stories

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Speaker 3: of people saying it's just going to lead to court cases,

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Speaker 3: it's going to lead to money claims. Can you can

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Speaker 3: say convincingly that that is not the case.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely not the case. It is a simple thing.

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Speaker 2: It will lead to one us recognizing Indigenous Australians in

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Speaker 2: our nation's constitution, as all former colonies recognize their first

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Speaker 2: peoples except for Australia. We stand out right around the

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Speaker 2: world has been the only country that still if you

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Speaker 2: look at our founding document doesn't acknowledge that. And secondly,

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Speaker 2: it's just a matter of an advisory group that will

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Speaker 2: be selected by Indigenous Australians to give advice on matters

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Speaker 2: that affect Indigenous Australian step the Government of the day

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Speaker 2: can accept or reject that advice. It's not binding, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a right of veto. But what we know

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Speaker 2: is listening to people about matters that affect them is

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Speaker 2: the key to getting better results, and that is all

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Speaker 2: that this is about.

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Speaker 4: I was reading, you know, a few of the Peta

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Speaker 4: Credlines of the World and the Andrew Bolts, and they're

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Speaker 4: saying that there's a con going on with the voice.

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Speaker 1: There's Petti.

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Speaker 4: Credlin says it's twenty five page document, it's not just

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Speaker 4: a one pager and she was saying that there's devil

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Speaker 4: in the detail in this.

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Speaker 1: But then I read it and I just can't see it.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know.

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Speaker 4: To me, it just makes the Yes thing for me

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Speaker 4: from the get go has always made sense. I don't

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Speaker 4: know why people are so against the Yes thing. It's

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Speaker 4: not like I'm going to suddenly have to hand my

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Speaker 2: That's right? And look, I think it shows the weakness

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Speaker 2: of the No case, the fact that things are just

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Speaker 2: being made up. People can have a look at the

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Speaker 2: question themselves and what the constitutional change will be and

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Speaker 2: it's really clear.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard though, what you're up against, because there's

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of Indigenous people voting no, and some

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Speaker 3: of that has also been shown to be AI generated.

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Speaker 3: Even the No campaign has said no, that's not to

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Speaker 3: do with us, it's AI generated. That's what we're up against.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It's pretty scary, frankly. Some of the no

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Speaker 2: campaign and stuff that's going into people's Facebook posts which

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Speaker 2: is designed to spread misinformation. Some of it AI generated.

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Speaker 2: Some of it generated of course by people like the

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Speaker 2: commentators that you have said. But this will just simply

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Speaker 2: not have an impact on most of your listeners. That

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Speaker 2: won't have any impact on their lives at all, But

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Speaker 2: that just might make things better for the most disadvantaged

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Speaker 2: group of Australians. And Australians are generous people. They want

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Speaker 2: a greater opportunity for Indigenous Australians. This is an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to do that. It's an opportunity to show respect for

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal Australians, but also it's an opportunity for us to

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Speaker 2: feel better about ourselves. And I just say to people,

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Speaker 2: before the apology to the Stolen Generations, there was a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of scare campaigns. There was statements that we

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Speaker 2: couldn't do this because it would result in all these

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Speaker 2: reparations and why should we feel guilty. We didn't steal

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal kids. But guess what we did it and it

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Speaker 2: made the country better and this will make the country

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Speaker 2: the greatest country and Earth just a little bit better

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Speaker 2: when we actually acknowledge the fullness and richness of our

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Speaker 2: history and when we learn the lessons, which are that

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Speaker 2: when we listen to people who are directly affected, you

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Speaker 2: get better results. When you engage with people in Western

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Speaker 2: Sydney about Western Sydney your listeners, guess what, you get

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Speaker 2: better results than if decisions are made simply from Canberra

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Speaker 2: without any proper consultation. And that lesson is there for

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Speaker 2: all to see. And we know that the programs that

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Speaker 2: have really worked, Indigenous ranges programs, justice reinvestment programs that

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Speaker 2: have provided opportunities for Aboriginal Australians, they have something in common,

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Speaker 2: which is that they have that sense of ownership and

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Speaker 4: And also just the very word yes, you know when

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Speaker 4: we have the same sex vote yes, you know, and

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Speaker 4: I think for me to go against yes, it seems

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Speaker 4: just totally wrong. And I'm happy, Like I've read all

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Speaker 4: this stuff and there's nothing that I can see where

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Speaker 4: I'm going to have to pay thousands of dollars to

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Speaker 4: go and visit a national park or I'm going to

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Speaker 4: lose my house.

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Speaker 1: I can't see anything that actually definitively says that that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. And I don't know why people are saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why people being so obtuse about this.

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Speaker 1: I just and I think, is it social media?

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Speaker 4: Is it the silos and the algorithms and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I just don't I can't see that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, James. You remember before the marriage equality

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Speaker 2: survey that was held, the vote that was held around

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Speaker 2: Australia was people were told somehow it would undermine straight

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Speaker 2: people's marriage.

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It had no negative impact on anyone. The world has

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Speaker 2: moved on. It's just more inclusive as a result of

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Speaker 2: that and the negative no campaign, which is led by

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Speaker 2: some of the some of the same people, mind you

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Speaker 2: who involved in in no for that vote also involved

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Speaker 2: in the no campaign. Now and we history, you know,

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Speaker 2: the the the arc of history bends towards justice, and

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Speaker 2: this is about a more inclusive society and just stepping

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Speaker 2: forward and acknowledging if we do things the same way,

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Speaker 2: then we should expect the same outcomes. So nothing to

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Speaker 2: lose here, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Well, Prime Minister's always a treat to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Go Matilda's on Wednesday night and thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Go to Tillies there it is