1 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:14,869 Speaker 1: My hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists and listen 2 00:00:14,909 --> 00:00:18,189 Speaker 1: live on the Free I heard a we have a. 3 00:00:18,109 --> 00:00:20,389 Speaker 2: Guest first time here on Willing Woody, which is very 4 00:00:20,709 --> 00:00:24,909 Speaker 2: very exciting. Some of you guys would know either through 5 00:00:25,309 --> 00:00:28,869 Speaker 2: Paul Fisher, the DJ, but obviously very much of her 6 00:00:28,949 --> 00:00:34,029 Speaker 2: own recently co hosts of the podcast Darling Shine New 7 00:00:34,149 --> 00:00:36,989 Speaker 2: Mum Chloe Fisher on will and Woody. 8 00:00:37,069 --> 00:00:40,348 Speaker 3: Welcome mate, Thanks Sky, thanks for having me. 9 00:00:40,668 --> 00:00:42,309 Speaker 2: So good to have you here. So we're going to 10 00:00:42,349 --> 00:00:45,149 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about Always You Very very Shortly, 11 00:00:45,188 --> 00:00:47,509 Speaker 2: which is out now at all good bookstores. Looking forward 12 00:00:47,509 --> 00:00:49,429 Speaker 2: to talking about that, but before we do, you've come 13 00:00:49,468 --> 00:00:51,788 Speaker 2: straight off and ibetha summer with a kid. How the 14 00:00:51,869 --> 00:00:52,989 Speaker 2: bloody hell did that guy? 15 00:00:53,349 --> 00:00:53,629 Speaker 1: Oh? 16 00:00:53,668 --> 00:00:57,229 Speaker 3: Wow, Well, it's definitely Look, it's great for families, but 17 00:00:57,469 --> 00:01:00,109 Speaker 3: it's definitely different when you've got a kid who is 18 00:01:00,188 --> 00:01:02,029 Speaker 3: one and a half and she's a pocket rocket. It's 19 00:01:02,029 --> 00:01:04,709 Speaker 3: a different scene to the scenes that I've been the 20 00:01:04,828 --> 00:01:07,029 Speaker 3: last few years, and the next year will be a 21 00:01:07,029 --> 00:01:10,628 Speaker 3: whole different scene too. Under two. Yeah, it's an interesting one. 22 00:01:11,749 --> 00:01:13,429 Speaker 1: Bobby's her name, isn't it your daughter? 23 00:01:13,549 --> 00:01:13,749 Speaker 2: Yes? 24 00:01:13,789 --> 00:01:16,149 Speaker 1: Bobby does does Bobby get to see daddy on the 25 00:01:16,189 --> 00:01:17,549 Speaker 1: decks Dejane at all. 26 00:01:17,949 --> 00:01:20,709 Speaker 3: Well, you know what, she obviously can't come to the club. 27 00:01:21,389 --> 00:01:24,109 Speaker 3: He doesn't play for three She can't come to the club. 28 00:01:24,269 --> 00:01:26,949 Speaker 3: He doesn't play for three am. Actually, so not even 29 00:01:27,029 --> 00:01:30,269 Speaker 3: I go to the club very often. But we are 30 00:01:30,389 --> 00:01:33,269 Speaker 3: waiting for She's been to like one or two shows, 31 00:01:33,309 --> 00:01:36,389 Speaker 3: but we're really waiting for her moment because it's hard 32 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:38,949 Speaker 3: because it's so loud, you know, and when they're young, 33 00:01:39,029 --> 00:01:42,429 Speaker 3: they really don't want to wear the noise canceling headphones. 34 00:01:42,949 --> 00:01:45,509 Speaker 3: So we're just waiting for the right moment for her. 35 00:01:45,669 --> 00:01:48,909 Speaker 1: So your husband, he starts his gig at three am. Now, 36 00:01:49,029 --> 00:01:50,789 Speaker 1: now I know, I'm a father myself. 37 00:01:50,869 --> 00:01:51,269 Speaker 3: I know that. 38 00:01:51,349 --> 00:01:53,589 Speaker 1: You know, kids up at six am and they want 39 00:01:53,589 --> 00:01:55,789 Speaker 1: to play, they want to hang out with dad. How 40 00:01:55,829 --> 00:01:58,749 Speaker 1: does it go the morning after his three am gigs 41 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:00,949 Speaker 1: when Bobby's going, where's Dad? 42 00:02:01,149 --> 00:02:04,589 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's definitely a juggle. So in our apartment 43 00:02:04,629 --> 00:02:08,269 Speaker 3: in Iviza, there's like a spare room, so generally he 44 00:02:08,429 --> 00:02:12,389 Speaker 3: will creeping, have snacks, get go to the fridge, do 45 00:02:12,469 --> 00:02:14,349 Speaker 3: the snacks, and I will hear him and I'm like, 46 00:02:14,469 --> 00:02:17,389 Speaker 3: do not wake the baby up. And generally by the 47 00:02:17,389 --> 00:02:19,389 Speaker 3: time he creeps into the spare room to get some 48 00:02:19,469 --> 00:02:22,109 Speaker 3: sleep because I don't want him to also wake me up. 49 00:02:22,789 --> 00:02:26,109 Speaker 3: The baby will then wake up, and then she said, Dad, 50 00:02:26,269 --> 00:02:29,029 Speaker 3: it's just like, but you know what, he is a trooper, 51 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:32,189 Speaker 3: Like he doesn't really drink or anything anymore. So he 52 00:02:32,269 --> 00:02:34,989 Speaker 3: gets like a couple of hours sleep and then he's up. 53 00:02:35,069 --> 00:02:37,389 Speaker 3: So he's an amazing dad. He's going, I don't know 54 00:02:37,389 --> 00:02:40,109 Speaker 3: if I could do it, but he really does get 55 00:02:40,189 --> 00:02:42,469 Speaker 3: up and he just gets going with the baby. It's amazing. 56 00:02:43,029 --> 00:02:44,589 Speaker 2: I suppose to go to kind of like make Hay 57 00:02:44,829 --> 00:02:47,269 Speaker 2: while the sun shines a little bit in that DJing 58 00:02:47,309 --> 00:02:50,429 Speaker 2: scene I remember back in well sort of like that 59 00:02:50,629 --> 00:02:54,869 Speaker 2: iconic trait Losing It debuted Coachello in twenty eighteen. Can 60 00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:59,109 Speaker 2: you describe the change in your life since that happened. 61 00:02:59,629 --> 00:03:03,269 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely pretty fast paced. Our life is always go, 62 00:03:03,269 --> 00:03:07,989 Speaker 3: go go, you know. We live between Gold Coast La Abetha, 63 00:03:08,069 --> 00:03:11,709 Speaker 3: and it's crazy for him, Like since we've had the baby, 64 00:03:11,989 --> 00:03:15,149 Speaker 3: it's definitely slowed down a lot for me, but he stays. 65 00:03:15,269 --> 00:03:17,549 Speaker 3: He stays on the road, but we will just be 66 00:03:17,629 --> 00:03:21,229 Speaker 3: based wherever kind of he is. And it's an amazing lifestyle. 67 00:03:21,269 --> 00:03:24,149 Speaker 3: We absolutely love it, Like it does have its you know, 68 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:26,749 Speaker 3: pros and cons. I obviously really miss my family and 69 00:03:26,749 --> 00:03:28,669 Speaker 3: friends a lot, and you know, being home right now 70 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:31,429 Speaker 3: it's just like heaven because we get to just be 71 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:35,069 Speaker 3: in everyone's pockets again. But yeah, it's it is busy, 72 00:03:35,149 --> 00:03:37,029 Speaker 3: but we're such a tight unit. You know. It looks 73 00:03:37,109 --> 00:03:40,269 Speaker 3: crazy and like everyone thinks that he's this like really crazy, 74 00:03:40,309 --> 00:03:43,909 Speaker 3: full on persona, but he's actually a very very chill 75 00:03:43,949 --> 00:03:46,909 Speaker 3: person and when he's not on the stage, he is 76 00:03:47,149 --> 00:03:50,189 Speaker 3: like a full on family man. We actually spend a 77 00:03:50,189 --> 00:03:53,069 Speaker 3: lot of time not with people because we just love 78 00:03:53,149 --> 00:03:56,789 Speaker 3: spending time together and cooking at home. And like our 79 00:03:56,829 --> 00:04:00,469 Speaker 3: friends haven't changed, our family had, Like everything's the same, 80 00:04:00,709 --> 00:04:02,749 Speaker 3: you know, it's just we don't get to spend as 81 00:04:02,789 --> 00:04:04,549 Speaker 3: much time at home home. 82 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:08,829 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Chloe. Another big part of the book is 83 00:04:09,269 --> 00:04:11,989 Speaker 1: something that my wife actually spoke to me a lot 84 00:04:11,989 --> 00:04:16,469 Speaker 1: about because she's an avid listener of your podcast, Darling Shine. 85 00:04:17,109 --> 00:04:18,789 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a bit for those that don't 86 00:04:18,829 --> 00:04:22,948 Speaker 1: know your journey to get pregnant and eventually bringing Bobby 87 00:04:22,988 --> 00:04:23,508 Speaker 1: into the world. 88 00:04:23,748 --> 00:04:28,229 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we started our fertility journey back in twenty twenty. 89 00:04:28,269 --> 00:04:30,709 Speaker 3: We felt pregnant actually the first time, and went on 90 00:04:30,749 --> 00:04:33,149 Speaker 3: to have a miscourage at about five weeks, and it 91 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:34,789 Speaker 3: kind of came as a shock to me because I 92 00:04:34,869 --> 00:04:37,349 Speaker 3: was in my twenties, and I thought, Oh, that's weird, 93 00:04:37,429 --> 00:04:40,389 Speaker 3: Like who does this happen to I knew my mom 94 00:04:40,389 --> 00:04:42,308 Speaker 3: and had one, but like it was very foreign, Like 95 00:04:42,349 --> 00:04:43,829 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, you have to be older to 96 00:04:43,869 --> 00:04:47,549 Speaker 3: have miscourages. No one speaks about this. This is weird, 97 00:04:47,669 --> 00:04:50,469 Speaker 3: Like I feel like it's only happening to me, And 98 00:04:50,509 --> 00:04:54,109 Speaker 3: then proceeded to then another four years on have another 99 00:04:54,149 --> 00:04:57,149 Speaker 3: four miscourages. We lost a set of twins about a 100 00:04:57,229 --> 00:04:59,949 Speaker 3: year and we ended up started going down the IVF 101 00:04:59,949 --> 00:05:03,909 Speaker 3: and the fertility doctor route because it was just not 102 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:07,229 Speaker 3: really working for us naturally, and we did eight rounds 103 00:05:07,229 --> 00:05:09,868 Speaker 3: of IVF, three of them too, and then the rest 104 00:05:09,909 --> 00:05:13,709 Speaker 3: of them didn't work. Basically, what was happening inside my 105 00:05:13,829 --> 00:05:16,389 Speaker 3: uterus was every time I was having a miscarriage, the 106 00:05:16,389 --> 00:05:18,628 Speaker 3: way that my body was healing was healing with a 107 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:22,669 Speaker 3: lot of scar tissue. So the more times I'd feel pregnant, 108 00:05:22,988 --> 00:05:25,389 Speaker 3: the more times it would take, the further along in 109 00:05:25,389 --> 00:05:28,069 Speaker 3: the pregnancy would come about. And then I would lose 110 00:05:28,069 --> 00:05:30,389 Speaker 3: the baby because they were in our mind. And this 111 00:05:30,509 --> 00:05:32,349 Speaker 3: is what I've kind of come to the conclusion is 112 00:05:32,389 --> 00:05:35,589 Speaker 3: that there wasn't enough blood circulation in my uterus for 113 00:05:35,629 --> 00:05:37,589 Speaker 3: the baby to grow any further because there was so 114 00:05:37,669 --> 00:05:42,909 Speaker 3: much scarring. Now, I saw so many doctors, a lot 115 00:05:42,749 --> 00:05:45,629 Speaker 3: of most of them were You're just unlucky, and I 116 00:05:45,669 --> 00:05:49,349 Speaker 3: was thinking, no, I'm not. This is not normal. It 117 00:05:49,389 --> 00:05:52,509 Speaker 3: can't be normal recurrent miscarriage for my age. You know, 118 00:05:52,549 --> 00:05:55,709 Speaker 3: when you're in the fertility trenches, you have to tick 119 00:05:55,709 --> 00:05:58,068 Speaker 3: all the boxes within yourself before you can kind of 120 00:05:58,109 --> 00:06:00,068 Speaker 3: move on to the next steps. We floated the idea 121 00:06:00,629 --> 00:06:03,429 Speaker 3: sorry to See quite a few times, but I just 122 00:06:03,589 --> 00:06:05,549 Speaker 3: wasn't ready to move to that step. I'm like, I 123 00:06:05,589 --> 00:06:08,789 Speaker 3: still need answers within myself. I had to really make 124 00:06:08,829 --> 00:06:10,989 Speaker 3: sure opened myself that i'd been like, I've done that, 125 00:06:11,469 --> 00:06:15,069 Speaker 3: I've ticked that box. If I wasn't doing the background researcher, 126 00:06:15,109 --> 00:06:17,229 Speaker 3: if I wasn't trying to work out what's going on, 127 00:06:17,429 --> 00:06:19,188 Speaker 3: you're not walking out of the doctor surgery and they're 128 00:06:19,189 --> 00:06:22,109 Speaker 3: not doing the research for you, like they're just not 129 00:06:22,109 --> 00:06:25,469 Speaker 3: not only a miscarrit going through a miscarriage, isolating and lonely. 130 00:06:25,509 --> 00:06:28,549 Speaker 3: But the fertility journey is also really isolating and lonely. 131 00:06:28,589 --> 00:06:31,349 Speaker 3: When you have no answers, you are literally pulling your 132 00:06:31,349 --> 00:06:33,669 Speaker 3: hair out, going what the hell is going on? And 133 00:06:33,709 --> 00:06:37,748 Speaker 3: I had this beautiful woman who lives in Queensland that 134 00:06:37,949 --> 00:06:40,629 Speaker 3: offered to be my surrogate and we found her through 135 00:06:40,749 --> 00:06:44,068 Speaker 3: the podcast actually, so we did the psych test, we 136 00:06:44,189 --> 00:06:47,229 Speaker 3: did the lawyer stuff like it literally went on six 137 00:06:47,469 --> 00:06:50,709 Speaker 3: to eight months process that we went through. Yeah, lots 138 00:06:50,709 --> 00:06:53,229 Speaker 3: of zoom interviews. We met her. Paul and I went 139 00:06:53,269 --> 00:06:56,189 Speaker 3: on our really really belated honeymoon like three years later, 140 00:06:56,389 --> 00:06:59,429 Speaker 3: to the Maldives after his IBS A season in twenty thirteen, 141 00:07:00,109 --> 00:07:04,589 Speaker 3: just literally just enjoyed each other. Witched off. We were 142 00:07:04,589 --> 00:07:07,469 Speaker 3: going home to Australia to meet the surrogate in person 143 00:07:07,509 --> 00:07:10,149 Speaker 3: and I hadn't physically I had the big document like 144 00:07:10,189 --> 00:07:12,829 Speaker 3: the agreement, but I hadn't physically signed it yet. I 145 00:07:12,869 --> 00:07:14,029 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I'm just going to I 146 00:07:14,069 --> 00:07:15,829 Speaker 3: just feel like I feel better doing it with her 147 00:07:15,949 --> 00:07:19,269 Speaker 3: in person. And I was reading the document before I 148 00:07:19,309 --> 00:07:22,909 Speaker 3: went to this elective procedure and it says sustain from 149 00:07:22,949 --> 00:07:26,029 Speaker 3: intercourse for the two weeks in the lead up, and 150 00:07:26,069 --> 00:07:31,789 Speaker 3: I thought, well, broken that rule. So we were at 151 00:07:31,789 --> 00:07:34,229 Speaker 3: our honeymoon, but I was just like, you know what, 152 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:36,829 Speaker 3: it would never like, it would just never. It's the 153 00:07:37,029 --> 00:07:39,429 Speaker 3: chances none. But I'm like, I'm not going to waste 154 00:07:39,469 --> 00:07:41,589 Speaker 3: my time and drive from Cool and Dadda to Surface 155 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:43,629 Speaker 3: Paradise to see this document and they're going to make 156 00:07:43,669 --> 00:07:45,029 Speaker 3: me do this anyway, so I might as well do 157 00:07:45,069 --> 00:07:47,229 Speaker 3: one at home, did a pregnancy test Paul wasn't even 158 00:07:47,269 --> 00:07:53,989 Speaker 3: in the country and positive, and I was like, you're kidding. 159 00:07:54,229 --> 00:07:56,349 Speaker 3: So then we actually continued to go on the next 160 00:07:56,389 --> 00:07:59,549 Speaker 3: way to meet the surrogate and her husband to tell 161 00:07:59,589 --> 00:08:04,189 Speaker 3: them that she's no longer needed. And yeah, I mean 162 00:08:04,229 --> 00:08:07,109 Speaker 3: it was petrifying. The whole pregnancy with Bobby was really 163 00:08:07,149 --> 00:08:10,309 Speaker 3: really scary, of course, but we made it to the 164 00:08:10,429 --> 00:08:13,149 Speaker 3: end and it was and we've got her now and 165 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:16,069 Speaker 3: it was just like the biggest blessing in the world. 166 00:08:16,349 --> 00:08:18,749 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I'm grateful I got to labor, 167 00:08:18,829 --> 00:08:23,469 Speaker 3: because that is just a whole nother ball game. 168 00:08:26,029 --> 00:08:29,149 Speaker 2: Again, naturally naturally again, Yes. 169 00:08:29,149 --> 00:08:32,509 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my body just must have like worked 170 00:08:32,549 --> 00:08:35,149 Speaker 3: out what to do. I don't know. I still still 171 00:08:35,189 --> 00:08:37,149 Speaker 3: to this day I don't really have like the full 172 00:08:37,228 --> 00:08:41,269 Speaker 3: on answer as to what the problem like really was. 173 00:08:41,309 --> 00:08:44,789 Speaker 2: It was almost with this stuff. I mean, we had 174 00:08:44,828 --> 00:08:47,909 Speaker 2: a couple of miscarriages as well, certainly nothing as as 175 00:08:48,189 --> 00:08:50,669 Speaker 2: long or as drawn out as yours. But I feel 176 00:08:50,669 --> 00:08:52,509 Speaker 2: like you almost get the sense that there's like, you know, 177 00:08:52,628 --> 00:08:54,949 Speaker 2: kind of like a mystery to all of this, which 178 00:08:55,029 --> 00:08:58,229 Speaker 2: kind of wants to stay a mystery. What a crazy story. 179 00:08:58,309 --> 00:09:00,069 Speaker 1: So happy for you guys, now, how good? 180 00:09:00,149 --> 00:09:02,149 Speaker 2: Yeah? 181 00:09:02,348 --> 00:09:02,748 Speaker 3: I know. 182 00:09:03,029 --> 00:09:05,228 Speaker 2: Well, look if everyone get a copy, Always you by 183 00:09:05,268 --> 00:09:08,029 Speaker 2: Chloe Fisher, out and out all good bookstores, Chloe, good 184 00:09:08,108 --> 00:09:10,389 Speaker 2: luck with the book, long much, good luck with the baby, 185 00:09:11,189 --> 00:09:13,868 Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on the show, and relaxed 186 00:09:14,108 --> 00:09:17,109 Speaker 2: with good luck with the room service, whatever you choose, 187 00:09:18,309 --> 00:09:18,708 Speaker 2: so much 188 00:09:18,748 --> 00:09:20,108 Speaker 3: Guys, I really appreciate it.