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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the twenty fourth of March. It is the second episode

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Speaker 1: of No Silly Questions, So a big day in the

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Speaker 1: TDA office. On today's podcast, I'm joined by TDA journalist

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Speaker 1: Tom Crowley, who's going to provide a bit of an

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Speaker 1: update on the case of Ben Roberts Smith. If you're

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Speaker 1: not familiar, we will give you all the context and

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Speaker 1: explanation that you require, so stick with us. But first

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Speaker 1: we're going to jump into the headlines of the day.

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Speaker 1: Tom take us through what you might have missed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Sara. Starting with the big news yesterday, and that's

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Speaker 2: that women's world number one tennis player ash Barty has

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Speaker 2: announced she is retiring from tennis at the age of

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Speaker 2: twenty five. That's younger than me Zara. She made the

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Speaker 2: announcement in a video on her Instagram page. Bartie said,

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Speaker 2: I am so thankful for everything this sport has given

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Speaker 2: me and leave feeling proud and fulfilled. Her expecting a

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Speaker 2: press conference from her later today where she'll speak a

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Speaker 1: Moving now to politics, and yesterday, opposition leader Anthony Albanesi

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Speaker 1: confirmed that he does not intend to call an inquiry

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Speaker 1: into allegations that late Senator Kimberly Kitching was bullied by

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Speaker 1: her colleagues. Albanizi said that there were quote no complaints

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Speaker 1: from Senator Kitching put in any formal sense at all

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Speaker 1: about issues to.

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Speaker 2: The war in Ukraine, and Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelenski has

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Speaker 2: moving forward. Zelenski also said there are one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: residents trapped in the city of Mariopol with no food,

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Speaker 1: And now to some good news. Researchers in Geneva say

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Speaker 1: a fully paralyzed patient has been able to communicate his

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Speaker 1: thoughts through a brain implant. The patient had been diagnosed

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Speaker 1: with als and had lost his ability to move and speak.

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Speaker 1: The findings have been published in the academic journal Nature Communications.

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Speaker 1: Tom Today we are switching gears a bit and I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about Ben Roberts Smith. If

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Speaker 1: our audience isn't familiar with who Ben Robert Smith is

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Speaker 1: or why he's in the news. Can you just start

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Speaker 2: I sure Kanzara so. Ben Robert Smith is a former

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Speaker 2: Australian soldier who served in Afghanistan. He's a very high

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Speaker 2: profile former soldier. He's had a media profile for several years,

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Speaker 2: and he is suing the Nine newspapers over a series

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Speaker 2: of articles they published in twenty eighteen which mentioned a

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Speaker 2: series of different allegations against him, including allegations of domestic violence,

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Speaker 2: allegations of bullying fellow soldiers while in Afghanistan, and allegations

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Speaker 2: He says that these articles damaged his reputation, including by

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Speaker 2: the papers for defamation. Now, there are a range of

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Speaker 2: different defenses that you can make in a defamation trial.

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Speaker 2: One of those defenses is the truth if you argue

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Speaker 2: that the claims that you're making were true. And that's

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Speaker 2: what the Nine newspapers have argued that these claims they've

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Speaker 2: so the business of the trial is really to examine

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Speaker 2: at adjourn for a little while. It resumed, i think

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Speaker 1: So, as you rightly pointed out, Tom, it's been a

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Speaker 1: fairly tumultuous trial in terms of being affected by COVID

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Speaker 2: a Canberra hotel room, Ben Robert Smith and I quote

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Speaker 2: that was another kind of key piece evidence. Then, earlier

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Speaker 2: which is unlawful. Robert Smith denies both the domestic violence

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Speaker 2: So there's a range of these different kind of allegations

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Speaker 1: The thing that has struck me throughout all of this time,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there would, And that that's a really good Pointzara.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've just sort of given a very long

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Speaker 2: he's of course not on trial. He is suing someone.

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Speaker 2: This whole court case is only happening because he has

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Speaker 2: as you say, as a result of any of these allegations.

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Speaker 2: So he's not on trial for the murder of anyone

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we could spend a lot of time talking

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Speaker 1: We certainly are keeping a close eye on this. And Tom,

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Speaker 1: a bit of a plug for your new podcast that

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Speaker 2: Yes, I can say. The second episode of No Silly

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Speaker 2: Questions is out right now. So when you finish this

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Speaker 2: You're already on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 2: go and listen to it. I've already wasted my ten

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Speaker 2: seconds on that. But today's episode is the first of

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Speaker 2: is kind of like a fun version of a politics

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Speaker 2: things that you might think are too silly to ask about.

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Speaker 2: And today we're starting with what's the difference between left

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Speaker 2: and right. It's going to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: as this podcast goes on, I'm going to be using

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Speaker 2: the Thursday episodes as an opportunity to answer your questions

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Speaker 2: about politics. So go and check it out. I took

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Speaker 2: a lot longer than the advertised time, Zara, but the

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Speaker 2: podcast itself is quite short. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Go and subscribe, Go and leave a review. I'll put

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Speaker 2: a plug in for my podcast while I'm visiting yours, Zara,

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Speaker 2: thank you for letting me.

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Speaker 1: Do that well. Thank god Tom is good at journalism,

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Speaker 1: because it appears, numbers and timing is not his strong suits.

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Speaker 1: So Tom, thank you so much, and Daly Ours listeners,

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Speaker 1: we will see you tomorrow