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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: once answers now homeschool.

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Speaker 1: It has become I don't know if trend is the

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Speaker 1: right word. It's certainly on trend in a lot of

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Speaker 1: places at the moment, booming across Australia. The trend is

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Speaker 1: only heading up. And yet it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: that is perplexing, confusing. Everyone says, I think I'd like

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Speaker 1: Actually I should to say everyone. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: say there's no way I could do it. In my family,

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Speaker 1: we are homeschooling two of our children, and new data

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Speaker 1: highlights that more and more people are choosing this option.

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Speaker 1: I decided that I'd reach out to the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Australia's largest CA to twelve homeschooling organization. It's called Yuka

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Speaker 1: Euka Yuka. I need to highlight at the outset this

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Speaker 1: is not a sponsored podcast. Two of my kids do

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Speaker 1: use the Yuka system though, and I figured if I

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Speaker 1: was going to reach out to any one, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to the biggest and the one that my

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Speaker 1: kick off this conversation today, I'm joined by Brett Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Brett is the CEO of Yuka and Brett, thanks for

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Speaker 1: giving me some time today. I'm really excited to ask

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Speaker 1: all of the hard, curly, tricky questions about homeschool.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Well, justin thank you very much, glad to be here,

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Speaker 3: and feel free to fire anything at me and I'll

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Speaker 3: do my absolute darnness to help you out. Really looking

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Speaker 3: forward to having this conversation with you.

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Speaker 1: Want to start with the personal Tell me about your family,

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Speaker 1: kids and whether they're homeschooling or not.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I have a very small family at this

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Speaker 3: children really do, from my perspective, change the way you

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Speaker 3: look at the world. The answer to is my daughter homeschooling, Well,

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Speaker 3: start school for something my co founder actually said to me, Well,

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Speaker 3: on our podcast where we talk about you know, homeschooling

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm the co founder and CEO of the

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Speaker 3: largest homeschooling you know organization in the country, got tens

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Speaker 3: many different ways on how you can teach and educate

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Speaker 1: more general conversation about homeschooling. It seems to be having

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Speaker 1: are the trends that you're seeing at Yuka and why?

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Speaker 1: So I'm interested in some specifics around that trend, but

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Speaker 1: more particularly, why are more and more families opting out

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Speaker 3: From it data perspective, twenty four percent of our students

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Speaker 3: this day and age, your children are exposed to online

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Speaker 3: twenty four percent due to bullying. We've got about twenty

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Speaker 3: really working for them for academic reasons. We've got eighteen percent,

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Speaker 3: So about thirteen percent utilize homeschooling for special needs or

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Speaker 3: Seven percent of families are traveling families. But the main

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Speaker 1: I have two more questions about homeschooling. One of them

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Speaker 1: and that is socialization. How do students that are studying

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Speaker 3: many of them are more socialized. Socialization doesn't mean how

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Speaker 1: That's the wrong with getting some expert advice from you

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Speaker 1: My second youngest daughter is going into grade ten next year.

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Speaker 1: Year nine was going to be a year off school,

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest misconception about the homeschooling that you would

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Speaker 3: The beauty about homeschooling is you can build it around

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Speaker 3: I think things like, you're in all fairness, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Lightning around Numberfore, scariest thing about starting to home school

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Speaker 1: Homeschooling in five years. What's changed now?

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Speaker 1: Two more, Every homeschooling parent should know finish the sentence.

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Speaker 2: That you're doing the best that you can with what

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Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is, again, as parents,

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