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Speaker 1: It's safe to say that the Northern Territory community has

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Speaker 1: been absolutely heartbroken by the events that had unfolded in

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Speaker 1: Nightcliff last week and the loss of Linford Fike. Now

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier this morning, I received an email

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Speaker 1: from Auntie Billa Warrelay doctor Bill Worrelay Now she joins

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Speaker 1: me on the line. She is a senior Larakia elder.

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Speaker 1: She's a Larakia academic in residence. Good morning, Auntie B.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Auntie B.

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Speaker 1: I felt really emotional when I read the email that

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Speaker 1: you sent through a little bit earlier this morning, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of it that made me feel emotional.

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Speaker 1: But you know you had said that you in your

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Speaker 1: years here, that you've never been scared to live on

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Speaker 1: your traditional land. I mean reading that out brought me

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Speaker 1: to tears, to be honest with you, Auntie B.

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Speaker 2: Well, my children wanted me to leave Dolma, but I've

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Speaker 2: listen my home. I want to be here with the community,

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Speaker 2: to make it a better place for people to live here.

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Speaker 2: Raise the family's here or visits. You know, it's a

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Speaker 2: beaut of place.

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Speaker 1: It is. Auntie B. How did you feel when you

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Speaker 1: heard what had happened last week in Nightcliff.

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Speaker 2: I was so shocked because there's my local shop. I

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Speaker 2: go there all the time. I live with lud Miller.

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Speaker 2: It's just as down road. I love the workers of

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Speaker 2: the staff, a lot of the products they have, so

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Speaker 2: I was there pretty several times a week and for

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Speaker 2: that to have it's affected me deeply. I was going

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Speaker 2: to go into the shop the second time on the

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Speaker 2: day the second time they was people tried to rob it,

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Speaker 2: and I was going to go and put a card

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Speaker 2: to the counter. Im I'm glad I've didn't going because

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Speaker 2: I could have got hurt.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I mean, Auntie b. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: been here your whole life, yeah, seventy five years. You

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Speaker 1: are a senior Larakire elder. You know you deliver welcome

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Speaker 1: to countries, which you know they make the hairs on

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Speaker 1: my arms race they give me goose stumps. You know.

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Speaker 1: I've sat with you on so many occasions at different

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Speaker 1: events where we've both been working, and you know, for

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Speaker 1: you to say that you feel scared to live on

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Speaker 1: your traditional land is a horrifying thought. But you've given

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Speaker 1: some suggestions of what you think the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 1: could be doing at the moment.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think, Katie, I've been suggesting this for years,

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Speaker 2: twenty seven years, effort to spend the money all the

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Speaker 2: time ago to build these maybe three the cross of

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Speaker 2: territory rob commendencies. I could see worth coming that would

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Speaker 2: save so much money and maybe out of it trained

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Speaker 2: our own people to run those boot camps. But they

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Speaker 2: didn't listen. I was ignored. So both sides of Parmit

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Speaker 2: I talked to on many occasions, but you took me

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Speaker 2: out well.

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Speaker 1: Auntie B. I think the suggestion that you're making is

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Speaker 1: you know, is a very good one. I know Jerry

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Speaker 1: would message through a little while ago he said he agrees.

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Speaker 1: You've received many messages of support this morning on this,

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Speaker 1: Auntie B. You know, how do you feel at the

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Speaker 1: moment when you see and experience some of what is

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Speaker 1: going on on your traditional lands and you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the terrible crime that we're saying committed.

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Speaker 2: My initial actions for little time as absolute anger. How

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Speaker 2: dare they come do this on my country? They won't

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Speaker 2: do it on their own country. As much I get

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Speaker 2: people ground me often, why don't you elders do somebody

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Speaker 2: about it? But we're not supportive with it's not safe

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Speaker 2: for us to confront people like that. We want to

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Speaker 2: do something, but we don't government support, key August support.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time to have around table with the

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Speaker 2: government whoever and talk to somebody else. And we've got

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Speaker 2: some really good ideas, but just getting heard is really hard.

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Speaker 2: I would initially I wanted to go to back to

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Speaker 2: traditional punishment. They won't muck around the way they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But it's a combination things. We have to work with them,

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Speaker 2: health trauma, but they must be held the responsible what

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Speaker 2: they've done. And hard punishment is work now without being cruel.

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Speaker 2: Trus in life was tough. We wouldn't have accepted that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Auntie b. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: And you know, and and you are a traditional owner

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Speaker 1: from what you said to me, you do not accept

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Speaker 2: You know there's ways you can you, I mean, you

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Speaker 2: have to look as the mental health and health issues

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Speaker 2: and traum raises fair enough, but they must be confronted

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Speaker 2: what they're doing years ago. Wh you get sit them

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Speaker 2: But they too Many people say that's too hard, you

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Speaker 2: can't do that, and I get ridly cranky. You know,

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Speaker 2: you have to toughen up with this people, young ones

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Speaker 2: and old ones. They have to be And people say,

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Speaker 2: what about the parents. I've talked to so many parents

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Speaker 2: and grandparents. They try everything they can, but the kids

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Speaker 2: to towns and then you know, commit crime. No real

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Speaker 2: punishment that get sent to jail for a while is

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Speaker 2: a holiday camp. You know, good food, clean rooms and

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Speaker 2: condition Wi fi blah blah blah. Stop all that and

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Speaker 2: they won't be so happy to go into care. But

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Speaker 2: you also take care of health and mental health. But

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Speaker 2: I've talked to people in the army. I think they'd

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Speaker 2: There is something wrong. I don't know. You have to

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Speaker 2: get tough, fus.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can't continue on the way that we can

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Speaker 1: now or the way that we are can we anti

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Speaker 1: bee like It's just, you know, it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: That I've lived through many changes of government and people

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Speaker 2: having different solutions. They're not working. So come back to us,

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Speaker 2: talk to us and stop. I've been accused to be

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Speaker 2: mean and nasty because I want to be tough and

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Speaker 2: the punishment what kids do. But it's a moment Western society,

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Speaker 2: it's a joke. They need to be We need to

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Speaker 2: blend the two cultures work together. They're tough traditional way

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Speaker 2: of discipline and control and Western the poor thoughts can't

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Speaker 2: get to do that because we live in two worlds.

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Speaker 2: We have to bring the two worlds together, but make

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Speaker 2: it it discourage them from continually doing and they couldn't

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Speaker 2: cry for go do the time. Be tough. Children's life

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Speaker 2: was tough. It's not easy like this. But too many

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Speaker 2: say you can't do that to children that you're not

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Speaker 2: talking about the same kids. Our kids grow up much

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Speaker 2: toughness and maybe good train men and women, seeing men

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Speaker 2: and women, not elders so much to be in the

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Speaker 2: space of running this camp. And because a different black

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Speaker 2: off her from their own country. Yeah, a bit different,

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Speaker 2: a bit more careful of that. Yeah, But then again

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Speaker 2: they might be so mentally unstable that don't care a

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Speaker 2: black writer the butt. Then they need help. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Auntie B, I really appreciate you having a talk

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Speaker 1: to me this morning. I really appreciate you getting in

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Speaker 1: contact earlier today. I know a lot of our listeners

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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying. One here, Auntie B, your message

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Speaker 1: has hit the mark. Life is sad on Laraichia Land

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Speaker 1: at the moment. Another one, Auntie B. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: your strength. You have nailed it. Hello Katie and Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Auntie B. If she doesn't get the government to act,

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Speaker 1: nothing will. Together with mister Rotoma, they're putting forward ideas

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Speaker 1: that the government must act on. There are just a

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Speaker 1: few of the messages coming through this morning, Auntie B.

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you speaking to me today. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Katie. Other elders from other communities run me,

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Speaker 2: bring me this personally, say please send sciences so home,

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Speaker 2: but I can't make them home. Go home. The other els,

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Speaker 2: very senor elas I know around top end, would be

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Speaker 2: involved in fixing this up. But they need somebody to

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Speaker 2: support us. You know, simple things transport, accommodation, to be together,

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Speaker 2: to talk and once in all, let's sett an example

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Speaker 2: to the rest of the world. Let's get it right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Auntie B. I really appreciate your time. You're

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Speaker 1: a wonderful person. Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you. Glad sounds good.

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