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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister of the Northern Territory, Natasha Files. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, before we get into it, we have certainly been

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Speaker 1: talking about territory day throughout the morning, some of those

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Speaker 1: fires that our firefighters had to attend to, some of

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Speaker 1: the injuries, some of the different incidents that we've seen.

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Speaker 1: Are we keeping with those personal firecrackers or are they

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Speaker 1: going to get banned?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, I think I can categorically rule out banning firecrackers.

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Speaker 2: We know that territories love to celebrate in that unique

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Speaker 2: way what is special about us, and large majority of

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Speaker 2: the community did the right thing and certainly everyone looks

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Speaker 2: forward to the first of July each year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that it was nowhere near as crazy

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Speaker 1: is what it has been in previous years in terms

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Speaker 1: of people still letting fireworks off in my area. But

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Speaker 1: I think it sometimes comes down to who your neighbors

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Speaker 1: are and how much they spend on their fireworks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I certainly had that feedback. You know, a

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Speaker 2: couple of people have raised with me that they were impacted.

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Speaker 2: So it's just making sure people do the right thing,

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Speaker 2: and please only let them off during that period we're

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Speaker 2: outside of that, you need to dispose of them. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: if everyone does the right thing and is considerate of neighbors,

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Speaker 2: then you know it certainly will make it easier in

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Speaker 2: the years to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, now we know that this morning the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Government has been out making an announcement local businesses

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Speaker 1: and industry with unique ideas to improve, well to overcome

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Speaker 1: I guess you'd say, workforce shortages in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: being encouraged to apply for support under the Flexible Workforce

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Speaker 1: Solution Fund. So essentially three million dollars. This three million

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Speaker 1: dollar fund is going to be overseen by the Territory

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Speaker 1: Workforce Advisory Group as I understand, and it is basically

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Speaker 1: going to encourage collaboration on projects and activities that help

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Speaker 1: attract and retain the skilled workforce. What exactly are businesses

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we know that there's a number of Territory

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Speaker 2: businesses from hospitality, construction that are struggling to attract and

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Speaker 2: retain workforce and particularly a skilled workforce. To help them

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Speaker 2: with these projects, we've got a significant number of projects,

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Speaker 2: which means there's people in the territory, so not only

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Speaker 2: construction but retail hospitality. So we have put in place

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Speaker 2: a scheme up to three million dollars. Businesses or industry

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Speaker 2: can apply if up to two hundred thousand dollars on

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Speaker 2: a contribution of twenty five percent from them and seventy

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Speaker 2: five percent from government. But what it's about is being

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Speaker 2: innovative looking at ideas to attract workers to the territory. So, Katie,

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Speaker 2: it could be an incentive based scheme, or it could

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Speaker 2: be for example, working with industry to partner and have

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Speaker 2: some industry based overseas and helping get those workers out

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Speaker 2: of that country here on the ground into the territory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so could like could it be you know

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Speaker 1: when you say it could be different schemes, like what

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Speaker 1: are we talking a bit of a bonus if they

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Speaker 1: move to the Northern Territory Financially.

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Speaker 2: It's more around incentives, so perhaps to help them relocate.

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Speaker 2: But eligible projects and activities could include seasonal workforce strategies,

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Speaker 2: levering new technology or innovation, or as I was just saying,

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Speaker 2: delivering direct in country human services and ICT to get

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Speaker 2: and equally within a Australia. So for example, you know, people

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Speaker 2: that we're still in that post Impacts construction phase which

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Speaker 2: was you know, there wasn't many jobs around. Letting people

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Speaker 2: know Australia and worldwide there's lots of jobs here in

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that it's going to be able to

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Speaker 1: compete with what some of those other states are doing

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Speaker 1: the UK and then some incentives when they do move here.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we've got the Territory Workforce Advisory Group, so

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Speaker 2: focused on the territory and what we can do, working

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Speaker 2: be focused into the future on growing our own skilling,

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Speaker 1: Right, Chief Minister, we have spoken a law in not

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Speaker 1: only recent weeks. I think you'd have to say months

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Speaker 1: and anti social behavior across Darwin and Palmerston. So these

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Speaker 1: but that more needs to be done. The Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police Association joined us on the show last week though,

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Speaker 1: and said that more detail needs to be provided about

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Speaker 1: this Public Order Response unit to target anti social behavior.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to make up this unit?

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, we have been out there listening to community

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Speaker 2: end of it. It's not tick this box and move on.

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Speaker 2: This is steps and we will continue to listen to

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Speaker 2: the community and have tailored solutions. That's why you see

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Speaker 2: Essential Australia. But the Public Order Response Unit they'll work

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Speaker 2: collaboratively not only with police, but the public housing Steafety officers,

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Speaker 2: So it's certainly not a replacement for police, but what

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Speaker 2: it's aimed to do is to identify that risky behavior

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Speaker 2: and provide alternative pathways before we have crime in our community.

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Speaker 1: Who are they going to be though? Is it security guards,

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Speaker 1: is it police auxiliaries? Who's it going to be that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, So it's working collaboratively and it's a combination

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Speaker 2: of that. So police, the public housing safety officers, private

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Speaker 2: continue to play a role. So it's not aimed at

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Speaker 2: replacing our police force by any means. What it is

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Speaker 1: I guess the problem is so like we're not talking

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Speaker 2: No O Katie, So there is additional resources. So for example,

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Speaker 1: regarding anti social behavior. So, Katie, it's not about that

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Speaker 1: we've seen a thirty six percent increase in the police

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Speaker 1: sure that they have their resources. But this is about

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Speaker 1: identifying the other mechanisms within our system that can help

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Speaker 1: keep our communities safe. So it's identifying, you know, the

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Speaker 1: then bringing other tiers of government into it. Our council ranges,

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Speaker 2: So Katie, it's about coordinating those resources and making sure

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Speaker 1: Should we just actually employ more police?

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Speaker 2: So Katie, we have got that increase in police budget.

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Speaker 2: Police are absolutely vital and we need to make sure

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Speaker 2: resources to do their job. But this is about these

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Speaker 2: are not easy, single solutions to solve. It's about complex

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Speaker 1: The thing is, though, I know that obviously you are

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 1: listening this morning thinking again, you know, why are we

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Speaker 2: So Katie, it's identifying the problems. It's identifying the solution

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Speaker 2: them need different solutions. So it's identifying who is a

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Alice Springs because you were indeed there

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Speaker 1: last week and announced initiatives which do include lighting a

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Speaker 2: Katie, in terms of Central Australia, we saw some reckless,

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Speaker 2: absolutely appalling behavior for no reason. We saw windows on

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Speaker 2: But what this is about is this is about ensuring

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Speaker 2: police doing their role. But one of the really big

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Speaker 2: parts of this announcement was the Sunset School. So yepur

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Speaker 2: in your college will be extended for twelve months and

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Speaker 2: this is providing a program and a pathway outside the

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Speaker 2: normal schooling and education system. So it's engaging those people

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Speaker 2: it's also providing somewhere for the youth services and also

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Speaker 2: engaging them so that they can provide meaningful contributions, not

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Speaker 2: behaving in a reckless sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean even last week though the Northern Territory Police

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Speaker 1: I need to be careful.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make comment that would see the

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Speaker 2: system interfered with. But eight, ten, twelve, fourteen year olds.

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Speaker 2: We can't turn our back. Their behavior is not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: The community's had enough. But what we need to do

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Speaker 2: seeing that with the youth diversion programs that have been

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Speaker 1: So you've been traveling around now. Obviously you've done the

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Speaker 1: Where do you think that we're failing right now when

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, the announcements that we've made, so the increase

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Speaker 2: we need to make sure that this risky type behavior,

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Speaker 1: Now with that be Secure, will you commit to changing

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Speaker 2: Yes, So, Katie, my understanding is that the announcement we've

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. We know that Friday indeed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Minister Pake, the incoming Minister for Racing, has

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Speaker 2: So their contracts cease on Gene thirtieth, and he's wanting

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Speaker 1: So are they going to have to pay back that

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Speaker 2: So Katie, we certainly at the time identified that we

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Speaker 1: So really, I mean, are we in a situation here

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Speaker 2: So what he's been doing is understanding their contract going forward.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Well, you are the chief minister though at the

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Speaker 2: But Katie, so in terms of that, we know that

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Speaker 2: the dun Cup Carnival the benefit of racing in the territory,

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Speaker 2: but we were very frustrated, as were many listeners at

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Speaker 1: All right. Renal dialysis. Now, last week we spoke to

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Speaker 1: He wasn't alone. Some were actually taken from a specialist clinic,

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Speaker 2: No, Katie and Anti Health have apologized to those patients

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Speaker 2: multiple times a week, you know, as part of their

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen now? Are we going to

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Speaker 2: Yes? So Health have been doing a body of work

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Speaker 1: Right on the seventeenth of July. We know that these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, So I think it's really important for people

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they necessarily have a licensed club. They

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Speaker 1: They can have takeaway alcohol there, can't they correct.

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Speaker 2: And my understanding is that Katie, we've got about six

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Speaker 1: All right, So at this point in time, of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what we're focused on now is working with

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Speaker 2: So how do these communities want to have alcohol in

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Speaker 2: have premises within those communities, Katie that are a dry house,

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be a list of communities which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the information and I'm happy to get some more

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Speaker 2: Some of them are our town camp. So happy to

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Speaker 1: All right, Are you worried though about the impact that

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Speaker 2: Katie, The impact of alcohol across our community worries me

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Speaker 1: Now, just finally, I have had a message come through

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Speaker 2: But I'm happy to get that detail to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might even see if we can catch up

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Speaker 1: can you ask the Chief Minister what contract the Darwin

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Speaker 1: When can we expect Minister Pake to make an announcement

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Speaker 2: Katie. I'll certainly let him know that you are are

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minison Natasha Files, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.