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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Time for the Big issues and joining us

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Speaker 1: Joining us in the studio this morning. Dave Toler, good morning,

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Speaker 1: Great to be with you. Cody and Damien Hale, good

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Speaker 2: Are you very well?

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Speaker 1: And of course the Big Issues brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal Lined operated and community led

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Speaker 1: organization from the top end to Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what there's lots going on.

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Speaker 1: Around the around the northern I'm not around the territory,

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Speaker 1: around the nation share today and I might just take

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Speaker 1: you across firstly to this story which is making news

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Speaker 1: headlines all around the place, and that is the one

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Speaker 1: involving sas soldier Ben Robert Smith, now elite soldier Ben

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Speaker 1: Robert Smith has killed in the heat of battle, but

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Speaker 1: is not an ostentatious psychopath from the likes of a

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Speaker 1: Kopo lips Now who carried out war crimes in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's lawyer say.

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Speaker 1: Now. The first day of the defamation case has heard

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Speaker 1: it is a story of courage and devotion to duty

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Speaker 1: against corrosive attacks by those who forgot soldiers must kill

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Speaker 1: in battle. This court case is everyone like, everyone's keeping

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Speaker 1: a close eye on it, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But some of the details I suppose that are coming out,

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Speaker 1: or some of the stuff that's been really reported, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to know what to make of it. All.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's you know, we expect now, if

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Speaker 3: I wanted somebody fighting to for Australia, you'd want this

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Speaker 3: guy at two hundred and three centimeters. He'd look at

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Speaker 3: an imposing figure on the battlefield. But you know, Australian

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Speaker 3: soldiers over the years, whether you like it or not,

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Speaker 3: have killed people.

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Speaker 4: That's what soldiers are trained to do.

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Speaker 3: And it's very difficult when you're in a theater of

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Speaker 3: way when the people you're fighting don't have any moral

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Speaker 3: it's a warzone and unfortunately war is not a John

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Speaker 3: you could imagine the amped up atmosphere of being an

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Speaker 5: I sort of think though, that the air of political

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Speaker 5: correctness seems to sort of infiltrate every aspect of our

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Speaker 5: it's as much about what happens off the field as

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Speaker 5: no surprise really that our defense forces are getting dragged

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Speaker 2: As well, I suppose detimately.

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Speaker 5: The point Hailey mates, I think is a valid one.

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Speaker 5: You know, you train these people to be in horrific situations,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there are elite forces, there's no doubt about that, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, And I suppose somewhere along the line, we've got

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Speaker 1: I guess the allegation, like to play Devil's advocate here,

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's more that it's not deemed appropriate.

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Speaker 5: But you know, if you're sitting there drunk and you

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Speaker 4: But you know, I suppose that's being stupid.

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Speaker 3: These guys have trained to kill, and that is and

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Speaker 3: on tour. Now, I'm sure that every single soldier would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I I don't disagree with what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: But you know, there is.

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Speaker 1: A reason why this is now ended up in court.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, it will be interesting to Sealy happens.

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Speaker 1: It will be Hey, let's let's move along though, because

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about this Bill of Wheeler family, Dave.

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Speaker 1: That's actually your hometown mate, Bill Wheeler, Wheeler boy the second.

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Speaker 1: I think that most Australians would know about this Bill

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Speaker 5: The point is that they came here illegally and they

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Speaker 2: I just think you're a bit heartless with this.

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Speaker 4: That's the reality.

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Speaker 3: Then Dave told one of my favorite Wheel of products,

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Speaker 5: Pro when lefties start talking about compassion, seriously left you know,

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Speaker 5: the compassionate thing to do, well, how compassionate was to

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Speaker 5: You know, there was no compassion in that. There's no

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Speaker 5: they've been asked to leave. They're still sitting on Christmas Island, not.

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Speaker 3: Here illegally because it's not illegal to seek asylum. It's

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Speaker 4: It's not legal, but it is illegal.

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Speaker 3: To come detention. They've now come the biller wheeler and

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Speaker 5: Allowed to signature to the human rights.

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Speaker 5: And the reality is there's there's a whole process that

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Speaker 4: Stopped the boat.

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy stuff. Why are you doing this stuff?

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Speaker 3: It's no good for you. Put it in your arms.

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Speaker 4: The cause, not the symptom.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you are listening to BIX one O four point

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Speaker 2: Pea still around control.

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Speaker 1: We know that the ABC Managing Director David Anderson has

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Speaker 1: I don't have that article in front of me, but

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Speaker 1: Well, and in this situation, the ABC is managing director

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Speaker 1: David Anderson said the defamation action taken by Christian Porter

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Speaker 5: And it seems that they're involved solely character assassinations.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's only.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not wearing.

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Speaker 3: Dave Tyler. Dave Tyler just loves belting up the aby.

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Speaker 3: You've got a situation now with the Ben Smith Roberts

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Speaker 4: So we're going to see these two. So it depends

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Speaker 5: Kerry stakes Herry's a chairman of the Australian War Memorial.

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Speaker 5: I mean he's already seven.

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Speaker 3: But you want to have a contrast in the reporting

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Speaker 2: Advice to people, don't give a billion dollars channels. That

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Speaker 4: The spectrum.

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Speaker 4: A lot of them started, a lot of them started, and.

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Speaker 1: It does fantastic job. That's just one person I can

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Speaker 3: Channel play school and cesme street play.

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Speaker 1: Channel nine, the NT News here at Mix, it's really

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Speaker 2: In which we report.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Without the I'm serious, without a lot of journalists cut

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Speaker 5: I think we ought to cut Meg's a bit of slack.

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Speaker 4: Exposure and little Archie. I saw him on the news.

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Speaker 4: He hasn't got a lot of color.

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Speaker 1: He's very huge.

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Speaker 2: Well, what, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: They're very close.

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 5: I couldn't hear what they named it.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, it's a mouthful fit that name on a lunch.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's you know, I would

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Speaker 1: Always great to have you two in the studio.

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