1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Already. And this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the tenth of September. I'm 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: I'm Sam Kazlowski. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Nepal's government has lifted a controversial social media ban after 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: deadly protests swept through the country, killing nineteen people. Thousands 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: of young demonstrators took to the streets of the capital, Katmandu, 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: demanding an end to government corruption and the reversal of 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: restrictions on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok and other platforms. The 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: protests have been dubbed as the country's gen Z Uprising 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: and represent some of the worst unrest Nepal has seen 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: in decades. In today's deep dive, we will take you 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: through everything you need to know about this social media 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: ban and the protests it inspired, as well as the 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: government response and backflip. But first a quick message from 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: today's sponsor. 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: So, and this is a story that has developed quite 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: quickly over the past few days. I find it really 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: helpful when we do stories such as this one to 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: really get a bit of a snapshot into the political 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: dynamics on the ground in Nepal. Nepal is not a 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: country that comes up in the news cycle a lot. 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Give me a sense of what sparked these protests in 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: the first place. 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this all relates to a decision by the 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: Nepalese government to ban twenty six major social media platforms. 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: Officials essentially had put out a notice for social media 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: platforms to register with its Ministry of Communication. A deadline 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: was set back in August, and essentially the government was 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: arguing that it would set up this infrastructure, these channels 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: to handle hate speech and fake news and crack down 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: on online misinformation and disinformation right as well as fraud. 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: But critics had suggested that this was more about an 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: attempt at censorship, a way to control free speech. So 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: there was that deadline that I mentioned, and on Thursday 37 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: last week, the government announced that it would be blocking 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 2: social media platforms that failed to register by that deadline. Now, 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: this included pretty much every platform you can think of, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: even WhatsApp, x, LinkedIn, and Reddit. So a really far stretching. 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: Ban, so it doesn't isolate a particular company like we've 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: seen in other regulatory efforts. This was a ban on 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: pretty much any social media platform you could think of. 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think it's surprising to see the likes 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: of LinkedIn included in these sorts of vans. But it 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: is important to note, in terms of you know your question, Sam, 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: about a snapshot of Nepal. About half of Nepal's thirty 48 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,119 Speaker 2: million people have Internet access, and more than seventy percent 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: of the country's Internet traffic comes through social media platforms. Now, 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: those who have opposed the ban, including these protesters, have 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: described these platforms as really critical communications channels for many 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: Nepalese families. 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Talk me through that. So that we're talking here about 54 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: more of a demographic argument, then. 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I did not know this before, but 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: was fascinated to learn that about eight percent of Nepal's 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: population that's over two million people live abroad, mostly as 58 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: migrant workers. Now, many families in Nepal rely entirely on 59 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: platforms like WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger to stay in touch 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: with their relatives who work overseas. So when the government 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: suddenly blocked these platforms, it cut off communications for millions. 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: But there's also a really crucial economic stability angle to 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: all of this as well. According to World Bank data, 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: the money that these international workers send home to their 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: families in Nepal, what's known as personal remittances, that actually 66 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: accounts for over thirty three percent of Nepal's GDP. It's 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: the highest that figure has ever been. So there's a 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: really critical economic link between Nepalese families in the country 69 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: and their relatives abroad, you know, financially and from a 70 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: connection communications perspective. 71 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: Which in some ways is universal. I mean in countries, 72 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: both emerging economies and established economies, social media and instant 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: messaging is used for many economic reasons as well as 74 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: keeping in touch with families. And so then this led 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: to the protests that broke out on Monday. Were the 76 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: protest organizers and those who attended the protests were they 77 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: driven just by this social media ban or was this 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: kind of the tip of the iceberg for this group? 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This isn't just about social media access. This 80 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: ban has really become a catalyst for protests that follow 81 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: much deeper seated issues. So we're talking about allegation of 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: widespread government corruption, what protesters have described as a lack 83 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: of economic opportunities for young people that ties into the 84 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: idea that you know, millions of Nepalese people are leaving 85 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: the country to find work, and Nepal has seen frequent 86 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: changes in government since its monarchy was abolished in two 87 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: thousand and eight, so it's really faced a period of 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: political instability pretty much ever since independence was achieved. I 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: mentioned corruption. One protester told local media that videos had 90 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: emerged on TikTok showing kids of Nepalese politicians living lives 91 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: of luxury in a country where the per capita income 92 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: is just over two thousand dollars dollars per year. 93 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: So there's some pretty deep seated and historic anger that's 94 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: coming through in these protests. Social media get switched off 95 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: and then these protests emerge quite quickly. What happened at 96 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: the protests themselves. 97 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: So the demonstration started at nine am local time on 98 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: Monday in central katman Do, and thousands of young people 99 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: had mobilized gathered at that time, many of them students 100 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: in school uniforms or wearing their university logo and merchandise, 101 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 2: and there were holding signs that read things like shut 102 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: down corruption not social Media, unbanned social Media, Youth against Corruption. 103 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: The protest was organized by this group called Hami Nepal, 104 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: which means We Nepal in English, and they'd actually received 105 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: official permission to hold this rally, so it wasn't a 106 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: surprise that demonstrators had turned out. But as the day 107 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: went on, things really escalated. 108 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Well, what you're talking about there is the violence that 109 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: we've seen at the rallies. Was there a moment where 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: things did turn violent. 111 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: Yes, So the protest moved towards the Nepalese Parliament and 112 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: that's where some demonstrators kind of broke through police barricades 113 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: they entered this restricted zone. There was vision circulating showing 114 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: groups of young people climbing the walls trying to enter 115 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: parliamentary building. And it was really at that point that 116 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: authorities reacted with quite strong force. A curfew was imposed 117 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: in parts of the city and police used water cannons, 118 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: tear gas, rubber bullets to try to disperse the crowds, 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: but then, really distressingly and according to multiple reports and 120 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: eyewitness accounts, police began to fire live rounds of ammunition 121 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: at the demonstrators. By the end of the day, hundreds 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: of people were injured and at least nineteen people were dead. 123 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: Seventeen in Katmandu and two in the eastern city of Iahari. 124 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: Talk me through the international response to this. Then live 125 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: rounds on protesters escalates protests no matter where they are 126 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: in the world to attract international attention. What's the reaction been. 127 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: So, the UN Human Rights Office said it was shocked 128 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: by the killings and injury of protesters. It has urged 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: what it called, quote, a prompt and transparent investigation, and 130 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: the UN said it's received several deeply worrying allegations of 131 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: unnecessary or disproportionate use of force by security forces during 132 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: the protests. So the UN has called on Nepalese authorities 133 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: to quote respect and ensure the rights of peaceful assembly 134 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: and freedom of expression. Then we had Amnesty International release 135 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: of statement which said it strongly condemns the unlawful use 136 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: of lethal and less lethal force by law enforcement in Nepal. 137 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: It said the government must genuinely listen to the legitimate 138 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: demands of the youth to end corruption, deliver accountability, and 139 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: ensure civil liberties instead of melting out such reckless violence 140 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: against them. 141 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that government response. Then there were 142 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: clear calls on the government. Have they responded to both 143 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: the social media band and the protests themselves since Monday. Yes. 144 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: So, in the initial aftermath of these deadly protests. On 145 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: Monday night, as the death hole was rising, as this 146 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: story began to make global headlines, the country's Prime Minister KP. 147 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: Sharma Olli called an emergency cabinet meeting. Then we had 148 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: a statement in which the PM said he was deeply 149 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: saddened by what had happened, but ultimately he blamed what 150 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: he called quote infiltration by various vested interest groups for 151 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: the violence. He didn't specify who these groups were, but 152 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: he also said his government was quote not negative towards 153 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: the demands raised by the GenZ protesters. Initially, there was 154 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: resistance within the government to lifting the social media ban. 155 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: We had some MPs saying that they were doubling down, 156 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: that they were not going to wind it back just 157 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: because of this unrest. Some reports suggested the Prime Minister 158 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: himself was strongly opposed to reversing the decision, But ultimately 159 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: it was reversed. 160 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: And that all happened yesterday. Yeah, so the ban is 161 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: now no longer in place. 162 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: Exactly so, less than twenty four hours after the deadly protests. 163 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: The Communications and Information Technology Minister announced that the ban 164 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: had indeed been lifted, telling Reuter's quote, we have withdrawn 165 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: them shut down of the social media. They are working now, 166 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: So all platforms back online. 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Okay. So, and where does this all leave Nepal now 168 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: and the gen Z protesters as they've been described in 169 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: international media. Where do things go for the country? 170 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, the government has announced a high level probe 171 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: committee to investigate the incident that will have to submit 172 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: a report within two weeks to kind of give its 173 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: assessment on what happened, what led to the deaths, analyzing 174 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: the use of force during demonstrations, right, and the government 175 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: has also promised compensation for the families of those killed, 176 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: as well as free medical treatment for the injured. And 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: it is worth noting that the bill cited as the 178 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: basis for the social media ban, it hasn't actually passed 179 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: parliament yet. Oh well, so I'm sure there'll be more protests, 180 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: more demonstration, more action as we wait to see the 181 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: fate of that piece of legislation unfold. You know, these 182 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: issues remain largely unaddressed, and I think it's been particularly 183 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: fascinated to see the voice of young people of gen 184 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: Z protesters elevated on the world stage, and this kind 185 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: of activism really can be a wake up call. So 186 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure this is not the last we will be 187 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: hearing about. 188 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: This one I mentioned before, but I think it's just 189 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: so interesting that the international coverage of these protests really 190 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: is leaning into this phrase of the gen Z protests. 191 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: And it's not the first time in the world that 192 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: we've seen this age group do widespread protests and demonstrations. 193 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: It's the first time I can remember that there's a 194 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: really strong link between those protesting and the generation that 195 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: they represent. Exactly fascinating, really interesting. Thank you so much 196 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: for taking us through that, m and thank you for 197 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: joining us on the Daily Os today. We're going to 198 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: be back in the afternoon with your headlines, but until then, 199 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: have a wonderful Wednesday. We'll ch out to you later. 200 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 201 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalkuttin woman from Gadigal Country. The Daily Os acknowledge 202 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 203 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: Gadigal people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate 204 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Island and nations. 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