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Speaker 2: Got anything good? Hey? This is the Christian O'Connell show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Now. Over the last four days there's been a ongoing

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Speaker 1: mess legal bs involving Adelaide and the AFL and the

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Speaker 1: player as it ranking, And yesterday on the show, we

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Speaker 1: were talking about this when it looked like it was

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Speaker 1: going to be a five game ban, and then the

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Speaker 1: club worked starting to prepare statements and they were talking

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Speaker 1: about Snoop Dogg and all kinds of other things, giving

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Speaker 1: mitigating circumstances why that word was used. And I actually

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Speaker 1: feel like we owe you are an apology rear because

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Speaker 1: when I went home, I felt really bad because there

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Speaker 1: are too many voices like mine, all the media commentators

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Speaker 1: a community. It's actually I want to hear your voices

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Speaker 1: because you know four well the power of that word

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Speaker 1: and those slurs and why there are bands in place

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Speaker 1: for behavior like that. I actually felt like on the

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Speaker 1: show yesterday we let you down. I want to know

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Speaker 1: what you're taking is. It's not like, whenever there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a gay story, we need to go to

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Speaker 1: our chief gay correspondent, chief of Gay's Rio. But I

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Speaker 1: actually think it's really important. Actually the most important voices

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Speaker 1: in order of this are those in the gay community

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Speaker 1: to tell us really how they feel, not how Eddie

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Speaker 1: McGuire feels, or even me for that matter. So Rio,

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Speaker 1: if you're happy to, i'd really know what do you

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Speaker 1: think about this? But now the band is down to

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Speaker 1: four games?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, thank you. It's been a I would say

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Speaker 2: it's been an upsetting week. Like it's just on a

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Speaker 2: just personal level. I've loved footy my whole life. I've

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Speaker 2: followed the Swan's my whole life. I've played footy my

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Speaker 2: whole life. It's just upsetting for a whole week to

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Speaker 2: be reminded that there are elements of the game that

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Speaker 2: maybe don't accept you or that don't make you feel welcome.

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Speaker 2: And for I still have a very you know, that

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Speaker 2: wide eyed view of footy like I did when I

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Speaker 2: a really deep, you know, almost childlike level. And to

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Speaker 2: week with this kind of stuff has been pretty upsetting,

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Speaker 2: to be honest. But the most frustrating thing about it

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Speaker 2: isn't the four weeks or the five weeks or the

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Speaker 2: you know, getting hung up on you know, should we

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Speaker 2: wait finals games differently to a regular game for this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff, because I think the whole conversation has

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Speaker 2: missed a very important element of it. And it's not

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Speaker 2: the football impact, the impact on Grand Final Day or

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Speaker 2: the Adelaide Crows or rankin that's all anyone's spoken about

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Speaker 2: for the whole week. I think there's a human impact

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Speaker 2: that people just hasn't been talked about for seven days.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is there are gay players in the AFL.

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Speaker 2: Clubs are on record about that. There's a four Call,

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Speaker 2: four corners sort of documentary on it that came out

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Speaker 2: last year, The Gay Yeah, it was brilliant. There are

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Speaker 2: gay players in the AFL that do not feel comfortable

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Speaker 2: the place that they work, playing the game that they love.

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Speaker 2: And it's because of things like this. This has happened

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Speaker 2: five times this year where these slurs have happened, and

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Speaker 2: people wonder why don't people feel comfortable coming out? It's

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Speaker 2: because of things like this. If there were you know,

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Speaker 1: Having they wouldn't employed, they fired, should.

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Speaker 2: Be exactly, and my heart made That was just where

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Speaker 2: my heart went to this whole week. Those players there

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Speaker 2: that have to be sort of living a lie essentially

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Speaker 2: for me personally, especially as someone who is really lucky.

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Speaker 2: part of it. And actually, the the monday after my

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Speaker 2: the in between time waster, in between the long ad break.

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Speaker 1: Aria just came out in the studio off air, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is amazing. I wish i'd

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Speaker 1: you it's just an invite. So I've never been to

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Speaker 1: environment that we are all parts of, where everybody's welcome

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Speaker 1: and all voices are welcome. You should be hiding away

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Speaker 1: any part of who you are. It's not like it's

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Speaker 1: for you to come out like that, really in the

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Speaker 1: just felt yes, and I do an apology rio is

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Speaker 1: because I just thought, you know, we could talk about

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Speaker 1: it from our point of view, but our point of

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Speaker 1: view is irrelevant. You know, I don't speak for the

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Speaker 1: gay community. You know what that's like. And I can

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Speaker 1: imagine how this is incredibly hurtful. You're right, not that

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Speaker 1: maybe the reduction from five to four just embarrassment of

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Speaker 1: the AFL saying it's five games. There's precedent here, then

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Speaker 1: a club going can we have three? And then what

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Speaker 1: negotiating over this? And then I know, there's these medical

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Speaker 1: But surely there can't be any mitigating circumstances for using

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't know enough probably about Isaac's personal

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Speaker 2: difficult to certainly think of a situation where we would

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Speaker 2: make it acceptable. To be honest, I'm not particularly hung

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Speaker 2: up on the going down from five to four. I

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Speaker 2: know the precedents there and all that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: It's the impact, Yeah, it's the impact. I think, Oh,

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Speaker 2: just prefer people to you know, this has happened. Can

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Speaker 2: improve it beyond worrying about weeks and punishments and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. I would love I would much rather Isaac

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Speaker 2: wouldn't use that word again or go talk you know,

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Speaker 2: every single club has a gay element of their like

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Speaker 2: a gay cheer squad. Go and hang out with the

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Speaker 2: for your club and who live for you and your club.

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Speaker 2: Go have a chat with them for a week. Go

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Speaker 2: hang out with them, and I promise you they won't

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Speaker 2: see that sort of action and that sort of conversation

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Speaker 2: do I have to choose between chasing my dream and

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Speaker 2: living a lion and hiding my true self? Like to me,

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Speaker 2: that's that's much more important to me than the weeks

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Speaker 2: that's what I'd really love to see come from this.

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Speaker 2: And to be honest, unfortunately I haven't really seen much

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Speaker 1: Beautifully said rio you you're talking about that it's just

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Speaker 1: not a safe space for people, is it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for it, but I'm sure you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hear words like that, you know, And then they wonder

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Speaker 1: and scratch the hands away. Right while there are no

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Speaker 1: openly gay payers. You see this week, an entire week,

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Speaker 1: a terrible decision by a terribly run organization. At times

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Speaker 1: it is rio. Thank you so much for giving us

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Speaker 1: the real perspective what we need to hear this week.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, there's a lot of mums and dads

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Speaker 1: be people listening right now who are struggling with their

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Speaker 1: seen this week and this huge kind of everyone on

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Speaker 2: I think this is exactly the reason why we need

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Speaker 2: to have Pride rounds, Why we need to you know,

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Speaker 2: have people I see people in comments getting pissed off

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Speaker 2: because there are rainbow flags in the Swan's cheer section.

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Speaker 2: They keep politics out of sport, blah blah blah. Well

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Speaker 2: people are still saying these horrible words professional players five

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Speaker 2: times this year. The fact that we're having this conversation,

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Speaker 2: the fact that we're even talking about Isaac Rankin, is

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Speaker 2: as much as probably a harrowing week this has been,

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Speaker 2: I have you know, I've found a huge sense of

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Speaker 2: of thing. So I would I still think it's the

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Speaker 2: so much, So I would say, you know, it will

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Speaker 2: are able to feel confident enough to sort of step

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Speaker 2: out into ourselves. The you know, the easier it's going

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Speaker 2: to be for everyone. So yeah, don't don't give up

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Speaker 2: on the AFL as well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Reren beautifully said okay, we'll take a break back

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Speaker 1: in a moment. Thanks mate. Christian O'Connell show go On

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