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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning to you, and it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a busy morning in the studio with us

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Speaker 1: today making his debut on the week that was Manuel Brown.

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Speaker 1: He's here for the seat of our Refura for Labor.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you on the show, Mate and Arafura

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Speaker 1: representing this morning.

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Speaker 3: Hey, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Good staff. Bill, Yeah, good morning to you. The Treasurer

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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, and good morning to everybody here on the

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Speaker 4: top end.

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Speaker 1: And of course Alice Springs. You know there's few Alice

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Speaker 4: I'm sure, yeah, I think some people tune in online.

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Speaker 3: I know what I certainly do.

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Speaker 5: I bet you do.

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Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley, the Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative

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Speaker 6: You, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And look it's busy morning because Anthony Albanezi and Peter

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Speaker 1: Dutton they're today going to launch into a five week

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Speaker 1: And I think we could probably all tell it wasn't

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Speaker 6: I'm over it already, Katis.

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Speaker 5: And we've only just started.

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Speaker 1: We know, the budget, of course, was always set to

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Speaker 1: Treasurer Jim Chalmers no doubt hoped that that budget he

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Speaker 1: That's about five dollars a week now. We also will

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Speaker 1: Charmers rejected any claims that the tax relief amounted to

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Speaker 1: so this was a little earlier in the week.

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Speaker 5: He said that.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, last night the Opposition leader Peter Dutton, well, he's

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Speaker 5: Those words.

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Speaker 4: Nothing's changed since the budget was handed down, Katie I said,

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Speaker 1: I think from what you could see then from Dutton's

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Speaker 3: Make sure that we're not going.

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Speaker 1: To be a bit cheeky of you then to be

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Speaker 7: Well, I can film my eyes rolling into the back

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Speaker 1: Unless there's some kind of saving for us, you know,

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Speaker 7: But I think what we've seen over the last three

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it's going to be an interesting five weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a long five weeks, I think

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Speaker 1: I've got to take message here from Judith. It says,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Katie and Crystal. If Robin Lamley is on

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Speaker 6: And I saw.

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Speaker 5: Doing a good job. And I tell you what it's been.

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Speaker 1: Certainly it looks as though it's been quite a productive

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Speaker 1: last night the government passed new laws in Parliament giving

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Speaker 1: police stronger powers to enhance community safety. That is what

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Speaker 3: People who were doing the wrong thing.

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Speaker 4: And I said, again, I make no excuses, I make no.

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Speaker 4: And it gives the police that added ability to be

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I support this. I mean, it just makes sense

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Speaker 6: But look, I.

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Speaker 1: It does seem as though there's certainly, you know, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, labor fully support this. You know, the women

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because this is the thing, we do want

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Speaker 3: They work pretty well hand in hand.

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Speaker 3: Which is great to see it.

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Speaker 4: I don't see that changing, but I certainly understand where

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Speaker 1: There was also obviously some domestic violence legislative changes introduced,

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Speaker 3: Back before Parliament.

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Speaker 1: In my yeah, Now, this spill obviously proposing to make

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Speaker 1: critical amendments to several domestic and family violence and Victims

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Speaker 1: of Crime Acts. It is touted as reinstating domestic violence

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Speaker 1: But it is also going to mean that there's increased

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Speaker 1: for victim services, enhancing victim protection, so expanding victim's access

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Speaker 1: as well as modernizing procedures. Now, on the face of it,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we've seen these laws watered down and changed

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Speaker 3: Again we're bringing that back.

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Speaker 4: Look, we've got to do everything we possibly can to

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Speaker 4: I think we've banged on about it all week in Parliament.

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Speaker 4: There's been an eighty two percent increase in the domestic

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Speaker 4: the ability to protect those victims. And if you're going

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Speaker 4: to be consequences because if there's no consequences, it will

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Speaker 4: continue on. Things just won't change. It's like when you're

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Speaker 3: So and we need to do everything we can.

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Speaker 4: And of course the upside is is that extra percent

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Speaker 4: I believe we're putting on the victims levy, So again

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Speaker 4: that's money that's going back to assist victim.

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Speaker 1: How exactly does that work. Is that in the domestic

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Speaker 4: Victims I believe it's in the domestic space absolutely neat.

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Speaker 4: So then that's additional funding that goes back to assist

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Speaker 4: fell away under the previous government. So we're bringing that

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Speaker 4: no apologies for this either again Katie, is we're focused

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Speaker 3: Furation.

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Speaker 7: This was quite hard to follow during the week in

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Speaker 7: mandatory sentencing tougher penalties for perpetrators, which is kind of

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Speaker 7: I'm of the view, Katie, that a lot of these

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Speaker 1: They I reckon they're trying to look after the perpetrator

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Speaker 7: Well, you've got services that actually do provide some services

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Speaker 7: because they are mutually exclusive. You can't I don't think

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Speaker 6: Opposite ends of the spectrum.

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Speaker 5: So I reckon they should be quite a separation.

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Speaker 7: I think there should be a very distinct separation. And

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Speaker 2: Well, from a labor perspective, we sort of we're getting

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Speaker 1: So they're feeling as though they've not been consulted with

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Speaker 2: Coming to us directly, so that they.

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Speaker 7: Should be happy. This is what they don't get, do

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Speaker 7: you know, like they should if they're there for the victims,

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Speaker 7: they should be saying, well, this is a step forward.

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Speaker 7: The Attorney General spoke length about the groups that she

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Speaker 1: To take that into account sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Look, it is a really it's such a tough topic.

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Speaker 1: It's such a terrible issue that we're continuing to grapple

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Speaker 7: Which we haven't made any progress on whatsoever. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think there's been a story of failure,

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Speaker 1: How can we deliver services differently to what we have

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Speaker 4: part of these changes to be able to notify the

446
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Speaker 4: victim so that they're aware of what's actually going on.

447
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Speaker 4: And this hasn't been happening either, So it's about giving

448
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Speaker 4: some more information to the victims so they're aware of

449
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Speaker 4: actually what's going on. For too long, they haven't been

450
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Speaker 4: aware and haven't know what's happing.

451
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Speaker 1: Blows my mind. That blows my mind. Then if you know,

452
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Speaker 1: if it's.

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Speaker 4: Simple things, Katie, and it's making some of those simple

454
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Speaker 4: changes that will provide I suppose, that extra level of assistance.

455
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Speaker 3: To those victims.

456
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Speaker 7: The domestic violence sector, they are obviously the primary advocates

457
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Speaker 7: for victims and sometimes perpetry, but it's not exclusively their issue.

458
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Speaker 7: And I think that there's a lot of people in

459
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Speaker 7: the community that experience domestic violence that never make contact

460
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Speaker 7: with these services. I'm not saying that they don't have

461
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Speaker 7: the expertise and the specialization they do, but it's a

462
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Speaker 7: lot broader than that, and I think that it's not

463
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Speaker 7: just them that should be driving their agenda. I think

464
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Speaker 7: it needs to be a lot broader because domestic violence is,

465
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Speaker 7: it's insidious, it's in a lot of people's homes where

466
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Speaker 7: you wouldn't think it is, and I think a lot

467
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Speaker 7: of people have an opinion on this that wouldn't normally

468
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Speaker 7: connect with the DV serve.

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Speaker 1: I think you're spot on, and you know, I don't

470
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Speaker 1: want to cross any boundaries in terms of friends of

471
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Speaker 1: mine that certainly have been victims of domestic violence, but

472
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Speaker 1: I know that they would actually be really happy with

473
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Speaker 1: those changes in terms of particularly you know, if there

474
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Speaker 1: is a repeat DV offender where they are doing some

475
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Speaker 1: time so that they're able to get away from them

476
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Speaker 1: and have that bit of time where they're safe. So

477
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Speaker 1: you're right, Robin, there is a lot of people that

478
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Speaker 1: aren't prepared to identify themselves or speak out or you know,

479
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Speaker 1: even talk to you know, to domestic violence services about

480
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Speaker 1: the issues that they're dealing with. Yeah, that's exactly right,

481
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: and they can't be forgotten either, exactly now. Yeah, now

482
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Speaker 1: I will sort of stay in this realm, but onto

483
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Speaker 1: a bit of a different path, and that is the

484
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Speaker 1: crime statistics that came out on Friday last week. Now,

485
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government claims that the latest crime statistics

486
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Speaker 1: have shown strong action on crime is delivering real results

487
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Speaker 1: for Territorians. We know that Declan's Law came into effect

488
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Speaker 1: on the sixth of January this year and the Chief

489
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Speaker 1: Minister said that its impact has been immediate. She said

490
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Speaker 1: the number of adults on bail has dropped by five

491
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Speaker 1: percent from one thousand and eight hun undred and ninety

492
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Speaker 1: eight on the sixth of January to one thousand, eight

493
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Speaker 1: hundred and seven on the tenth of March. During the

494
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Speaker 1: same period, the number of adults on remand has increased

495
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Speaker 1: by eighteen percent from oney one hundred and thirty six

496
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Speaker 1: to one thousand, three hundred and thirty eight.

497
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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: The figures released the Chief Minister says show territory wide

499
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Speaker 1: between December twenty four and January twenty five that robbery

500
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Speaker 1: extortion related defenses they were down thirty two percent, house

501
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Speaker 1: break ins were down twenty seven percent, alcohol related assaults

502
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: were down seventeen percent, and domestic violence assaults were down

503
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Speaker 1: eleven percent. Now said this on Monday. To the Chief Minister,

504
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Speaker 1: it's a dicey game playing in statistics when you're talking

505
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Speaker 1: about crime, because you can pick ones that work in

506
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Speaker 1: your favor, there's always going to be some that do

507
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Speaker 1: not work in your favor, and there's always going to

508
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Speaker 1: be victims listening saying we'll hang on a second. I'm

509
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Speaker 1: still a victim of crime. So it's a dicey game.

510
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Speaker 1: But it does, on the face of it, seem like

511
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Speaker 1: there are some positive, positive things happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, and you're right, Okay, the crime stats they

513
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Speaker 4: go up and down depending on.

514
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Speaker 3: The time of the year.

515
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Speaker 4: That's effectively a given. But what we have seen is

516
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Speaker 4: certainly a reduction across the board in the majority of

517
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Speaker 4: the stats. Look, we've still got a couple that have

518
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: gone up, and you'll always see some of the will

519
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: go up, but those offenses against the person, those property

520
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Speaker 4: defenses going down. They're big ticket items and they're key

521
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Speaker 4: to everyday territories. And I specifically speak for Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: This is probably one of the better Christmases I think

523
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Speaker 4: I've had in recent years. There was certainly a better feeling.

524
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Speaker 4: Anc Dataly said, my office got had the front window smashed. Okay,

525
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 4: the glazer you come around to fix that, and I'm

526
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Speaker 4: there giving him a hand. I think it was on

527
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Speaker 4: the twenty eighth of the twenty ninth of December, and

528
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Speaker 4: we're having a chat and I said, how things going

529
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Speaker 4: for you, mate, and he said, well, better than last

530
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Speaker 4: He said, I was doing three windows a day from

531
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Speaker 4: the Christmas break last year, and he said, this is

532
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Speaker 4: only the third wind that I've done.

533
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Speaker 3: So when the.

534
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Speaker 4: Glaziers and the locksmiths at home haven't got much work

535
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Speaker 4: on over Christmas, it's sad for the business. But Katie,

536
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: it makes me happy, that's for sure. So we've seen

537
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Speaker 4: the crime stats move at least in a positive direction.

538
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Speaker 4: The thing we also need to take into account is

539
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Speaker 4: when you look at it, and I always go back this,

540
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: and I said it in opposition, I'll say it again now,

541
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Speaker 4: is that when you look at those offense stats per

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand population, we are still the highest in the country.

543
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Speaker 4: So we've got to keep doing this work and turn

544
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Speaker 4: that whole narrative around and reduce the crime overall. So

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Speaker 4: I don't think we'll ever reach parry Rid the rest.

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Speaker 7: Of Australia, but at the highest rates of crime in

547
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Speaker 7: the country. I mean, for the last thirty years I've

548
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Speaker 7: been in Alice Springs that we've been had the highest

549
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Speaker 7: rates of sexual assault, homicide, DV you name it. But

550
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Speaker 7: you know, we have had a crime crisis. I'd be

551
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Speaker 7: happy to go back to the way it was, even

552
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Speaker 7: it's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 4: Even if we're five times national averages, better than being

554
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Speaker 4: ten times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
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Speaker 1: Well, And this is the thing, you know, it's always

557
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Speaker 1: something we're going to be grappling with.

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Speaker 5: Manuel. I know you and I.

559
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Speaker 1: Spoke a couple of weeks ago actually about the community

560
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Speaker 1: of Maningrida and their need well they really want the

561
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Speaker 1: private security to be able to continue in man and Greta.

562
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Speaker 1: They're a bit worried that if it doesn't, they could see.

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Speaker 5: A flare up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, yeah, And I put the question and got

565
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Speaker 2: the answer as well, and we're just we've got the

566
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Speaker 2: community is funding the program until June, and from there

567
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Speaker 2: we will definitely be be looking at the break ins

568
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Speaker 2: and stuff.

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Speaker 5: And what to do next.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think it's safe to say right

571
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Speaker 1: across the Northern Territory, the issue of crime is, you know,

572
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Speaker 1: it's it impacts so many people and I don't think anybody,

573
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Speaker 1: you know, like can have a real comprehension of how

574
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Speaker 1: it was in Alice Springs and we definitely want and

575
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Speaker 1: hope that it's continuing in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 5: I did yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I spoke on the show, and I think you'll all

578
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Speaker 1: be interested to hear this. I spoke on the show

579
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Speaker 1: to a lovely young business owner. His name's Lockie Reynolds.

580
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Speaker 1: Now he and his partner are Rihanna got broken into

581
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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier this week. They had a group

582
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Speaker 1: of teenagers get into their home in Stuart Park through

583
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Speaker 1: a tiny doggie door. They got in. Now, would you

584
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Speaker 1: believe that Rihanna had her car stolen? Between twelve and

585
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Speaker 1: eighteen months ago as well. One of the people involved

586
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Speaker 1: in stealing her car again on Tuesday night was involved

587
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Speaker 1: last time when it got stolen too, sort of twelve

588
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Speaker 1: to eighteen months earlier. Now, these two are a young couple.

589
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Speaker 5: One of them.

590
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Speaker 1: Owns physiotherapists in Coconut Grove, the other owns a chiropractor

591
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Speaker 1: in Palmerston.

592
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Speaker 5: They are exactly the.

593
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Speaker 1: Kind of people that you want moving to the Northern

594
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Speaker 1: Territory and making an absolute go of the place. Now,

595
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Speaker 1: then when you're broken into, when you have both your

596
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Speaker 1: cars stolen and it's not the first time you've been

597
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Speaker 1: impacted by crime, these are the kind of things we

598
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Speaker 1: have to deal with and we've got to deal with

599
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Speaker 1: them head on or we are not going to keep

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Speaker 1: wonderful professional people like that or anybody wanting to stay

601
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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Katie, and that's why were strengthening the laws that

603
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Speaker 4: have been set watered down over the last eight years.

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Speaker 4: These offenders have been allowed to get away with this

605
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Speaker 4: is so hard for the police to find and catch them,

606
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Speaker 4: and finally when they do, the laws weren't there to

607
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Speaker 4: actually deal and actually have real consequences for these offenders,

608
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Speaker 4: so that's part of that.

609
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Speaker 1: There needs to still be some work in the space

610
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Speaker 1: of youth offending Bill and I don't know exactly what

611
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Speaker 1: needs to happen, but from what I am hearing from

612
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Speaker 1: some of our listeners, that's the area where there still

613
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Speaker 1: needs to be some work.

614
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Speaker 4: Absolutely think we're doing some work on that now. I

615
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: know there's some stuff in the pipeline.

616
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Speaker 3: I think we've got.

617
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Speaker 4: Some reviews to the Youth Justice at coming into Parliament soon.

618
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Speaker 4: I think that was discussed this week. There is more

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Speaker 4: work to do in this space, Katie, and we're certainly

620
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Speaker 4: not showing away from doing that work, so we know

621
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Speaker 4: there's still issues there. Again for youth, there has to

622
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: be some consequences for directions. Otherwise this stuff just keeps

623
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Speaker 4: going on and on and on, and it affects everybody.

624
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Speaker 7: Crime is our biggest impediment to population growth and economic growth.

625
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Speaker 6: It just is.

626
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Speaker 7: And although we're seeing some improvements in terms of crime levels,

627
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Speaker 7: we've still got a long way to go. I mean,

628
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Speaker 7: people don't want to live in a society where they

629
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Speaker 7: feel unsafe.

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Speaker 6: We know that.

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Speaker 7: So a young couple like you just described, that's the

632
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Speaker 7: type of people we've seen come and go from Alice

633
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Speaker 7: Springs at a very high rate for the last couple

634
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Speaker 7: of years. We're struggling to get professional people at all

635
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 7: and tradees and keep them.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I said, said the work. That's some of

637
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: the work's been done.

638
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: We're starting to see it change, but yeah, there is

639
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot more work to do.

640
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 7: And I have to say Alice Springs is always a

641
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 7: little bit ahead of Darwin ahead Hotion, so maybe behind

642
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 7: when it comes to the impact of crime and the

643
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 7: magnitude of crime and everything to do with crime. We've

644
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 7: been there and done it, probably a few years before you,

645
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 7: so we're hearing you. We know what it feels like

646
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 7: and hopefully this time at home.

647
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Speaker 4: It's very much in your small community everybody, and just

648
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: said that the levels, as you said, Robin, are high,

649
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: and of course being a small community it is it's.

650
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Speaker 3: In everybody's face.

651
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: I feel it's your daily topic. Darwin is starting to

652
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: see those levels of crime that we're trying to turn around,

653
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: but being a little bit bigger, it's not probably quite

654
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Speaker 4: as much in your face. Alice Tenant and Catherine as well,

655
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Speaker 4: And something.

656
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Speaker 1: That I think is worth talking about too, is you

657
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Speaker 1: know in your electric for example, Manuel, I know that

658
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Speaker 1: they're like there are a lot of leaders, indigenous leaders

659
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Speaker 1: in your electorate who you know, if trouble does flare

660
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: up there they step up and they help.

661
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Speaker 2: Right, We've got a yeah, we've got this. We've got

662
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Speaker 2: normal layer cultural advisory group and they sit in with

663
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Speaker 2: the with the court judge to to actually pass judgment

664
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Speaker 2: on the on the on the youth.

665
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Speaker 6: And that's happened.

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Speaker 2: This is the second time it's happened. And and the

667
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Speaker 2: way we see it is that you know, when a

668
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: when a youth of friends and now and then gets

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Speaker 2: locked up, it's hidden from his family's communities, cultural ties.

670
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Speaker 2: Right when it happens in the community, it's an extra

671
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Speaker 2: burden and shame job on the family and on the

672
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Speaker 2: individual because everyone's involved, their cultural leaders. They're you know,

673
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: singers and dances, cultural ceremony man, you know, and absolutely

674
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Speaker 2: devastated with with what happened here in Stuart Park. And

675
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Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I'm looking forward to the youth

676
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: youth policies that the cl people think. It's it's all

677
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Speaker 2: about getting them back onto the into society as better people,

678
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Speaker 2: getting them into programs into employment programs and mentoring them.

679
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I look forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, look we're going to take a bit of a break.

681
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 5: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

684
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Speaker 1: sixty and it is the week that was. Now, it's

685
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: always a busy time in here where now the week

686
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: that was is on it. It's always a busy time

687
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: when Parliament sits. Now if you've just joined us in

688
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: the studio with us today, we've got Manuel Brown.

689
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: Bill Yan and Robin Lamley.

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Speaker 1: Now there's been like I keep saying, there's been plenty

691
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Speaker 1: to take in this week. But earlier in the week yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I think it was we heard that the government's going

693
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Speaker 1: to scrap the former Labor government's target of fifty percent

694
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Speaker 1: renewable energy generation by twenty thirty. Now they claim a

695
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Speaker 1: lack of coordinated infrastructure investment, rising power prices and grid

696
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Speaker 1: instability under the previous governments made it clear that attempting

697
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Speaker 1: to meet this target would put an unacceptable financial burden

698
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Speaker 1: on territorians and crippling pre on our aging electricity network.

699
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Speaker 1: The Minister for Mining and Energy and Minister for Renewables

700
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Speaker 1: Jared Maylee saying that he's going to well that basically

701
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Speaker 1: we're in this situation after eight years he reckons of

702
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Speaker 1: labor and they're fifty percent renewables target. Renewables in twenty

703
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: twenty four accounted for less than twenty percent of the

704
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Speaker 1: territory's energy generation, and he said that it's going to

705
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Speaker 1: cost up to five billion dollars to do that fifty

706
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Speaker 1: percent by twenty thirty, which equates to fifty six thousand

707
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Speaker 1: dollars per Jacana household.

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Speaker 5: Well, how did just come up with that figure?

709
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think Jared has been talking to the

710
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Speaker 4: people within the agency on what it would cost. It

711
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Speaker 4: was really interesting because it's not that we're we're not

712
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Speaker 4: anti renewables. We're actually pro renewables, but we're not pro

713
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Speaker 4: renewables at any cost. And to push down the road

714
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Speaker 4: and this target that was put in place would absolutely

715
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Speaker 4: beggar the territory in bank. And I think Alan Languthy

716
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Speaker 4: was on ABC yesterday and speaking about this, and Alan

717
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 4: was the chair of the group that done that report,

718
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Speaker 4: and what he actually said made a lot of sense

719
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Speaker 4: in that in the report they said to do to

720
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Speaker 4: get to this renewable target by twenty thirty.

721
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Speaker 3: The initial investment had to.

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Speaker 4: Be in the actual infrastructure, so the polls and the wire,

723
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Speaker 4: the batteries and all the bits and pieces in the

724
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Speaker 4: background to be able to do this.

725
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Speaker 3: That work was never.

726
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Speaker 4: Done and we're very very close to twenty thirty now.

727
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Speaker 4: The previous government went out and jammed in soul of

728
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Speaker 4: farms and done bits and pieces all over the place

729
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: and actually made the grid really really unstable. And then

730
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Speaker 4: the scrambling to do the catch up work with batteries,

731
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Speaker 4: synchronous condenses and all those other things. That was the

732
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Speaker 4: work that should have been done first. So I said,

733
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Speaker 4: we're happy with the renewables getting to some of those

734
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Speaker 4: renewable targets, but again I'm not going to do it any.

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Speaker 5: Cost we don't have realistically.

736
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Speaker 4: We don't have the money to do it, and could

737
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Speaker 4: arbitrary timeframes. Look, I'm all about setting goals, but not

738
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Speaker 4: garbage goals that you're never going to be able to

739
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Speaker 4: achieve and then blindly push towards those goals at any cost,

740
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Speaker 4: and then of course put our grid in a.

741
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Speaker 3: Place where it's actually.

742
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Speaker 4: Unstas we're we're talking about blackouts brown.

743
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Speaker 1: House and I used to work for the Essential Services

744
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Speaker 1: Minister many years ago when we were in a situation

745
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Speaker 1: where the Casuarina substation had blown up. That was a

746
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: long time ago, and when we were having blackouts and

747
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: we're having all sorts of issues. So it is something

748
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: that you've got to get right now. It's not sexy

749
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Speaker 1: to spend money on infrastructure around power. Let's be really

750
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Speaker 1: blunt about it. Nobody makes those commitments throughout an election

751
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: because it's not really a vote. When I'm saying I'm

752
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Speaker 1: going to spend you know, ten million dollars on a substation,

753
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Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, yeah, what's that going to do for me?

754
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Speaker 1: But the reality is you have to invest in your

755
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Speaker 1: electricity network. You've got to invest in that infrastructure or

756
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Speaker 1: you are going to experience blackouts and various other issues.

757
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Speaker 1: I mean, look for me, I think it's great to

758
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Speaker 1: have a goal of what you want to get to,

759
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Speaker 1: but unless you've got a realistic way of getting there,

760
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Speaker 1: then there's no real point.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's really.

762
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Speaker 1: Easy, sort of ten years ago to say, oh, we're

763
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Speaker 1: going to do this and we're going to do that,

764
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Speaker 1: because you know, you're not going to be the person

765
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Speaker 1: that's in charge to have to do it language he.

766
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Speaker 4: Said in the report. And funny enough, I listened to

767
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Speaker 4: Matti Cunningham about that report that was done and when

768
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Speaker 4: he done, the food and sixty something pages and everything

769
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Speaker 4: was black, Dad except the front page. In the back page, unbelievable,

770
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Speaker 4: So we actually will well.

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Speaker 6: I remember that well.

772
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Speaker 7: And what I would say is, over the last four

773
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Speaker 7: years of the Northern Territory Labor government, they were not

774
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Speaker 7: telling the truth around how they were traveling in terms

775
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Speaker 7: of reaching this fifty percent renewable target by twenty thirty.

776
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Speaker 7: There was not a lot of honesty around what was happening.

777
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Speaker 7: There was a beautiful report done which the government funded

778
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Speaker 7: in Alice Springs. It was a roadmap to reaching renewable targets,

779
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Speaker 7: and that was tabled I think last year or the

780
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Speaker 7: year before. And I remember the government, I think it

781
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Speaker 7: was Evil or Natasha files at the time were very

782
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Speaker 7: closed off, very shut down about how they intended to

783
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Speaker 7: implement the recommendations of this report. And I remember thinking,

784
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Speaker 7: you guys have lost your way. You are not on

785
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Speaker 7: track to reach the target that you've set yourself. You

786
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 7: are not being honest about this to territory. And so

787
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Speaker 7: I agree we need to be aspirational around moving to renewables,

788
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Speaker 7: but we also have to be honest and we have

789
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Speaker 7: to weigh it up. If it's there's an economic costure

790
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Speaker 7: every set you spending gupment.

791
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Speaker 3: We've got to be realistic about it too.

792
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and realistic.

793
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Speaker 7: So yeah, let's keep going, let's keep moving to renewables,

794
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 7: but let's not basically bullshit territories.

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, that fifty percent target was is definitely a

796
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Speaker 2: hard one to get to. In my perspective, we're like

797
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: what I'm I'm trying to like with labor, we're trying

798
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Speaker 2: to mix both. Obviously, have gas, have renewables. And I'll

799
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Speaker 2: give an example with with wear my young in my

800
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Speaker 2: electric because we've got we've got a we've got a

801
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: grid there, you know, solo grid, and what happens there is,

802
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: you know, we've got a diesel powered power plant and

803
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, the power is being used from the grid.

804
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: Therefore the SHIA is using the money that it'll otherwise

805
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: spend on diesel in other programs in the community. So

806
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: working like that in no small thing. But to scrap

807
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Speaker 2: it all together is.

808
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Speaker 1: You know it's not good, not the right thing you reckon.

809
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look I think it's a really hard but I

810
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Speaker 5: mean I do think.

811
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Speaker 1: Look for me, I think there is no point in

812
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: setting a target if you're not actually going to reach it.

813
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: That's like me saying, oh, I'm going to run a

814
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: marathon in two hours thirty knowing I'm never ever ever

815
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: going to get there, you know.

816
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: Like I could do it in two days.

817
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: You want a goal that's actually attainable, you know, mister.

818
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 7: Reporting on how you're traveling to get to that.

819
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: The previous government, the previous government route publicly and in

820
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: Parliament saying they are well underway, we're going to reach

821
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: this target, and now we actually know that it's only

822
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: twenty percent. And again Alle Linguathy yesterday on ABC, I said,

823
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Speaker 4: I've got to give.

824
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Speaker 3: Credit to him.

825
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: He actually said that the twenty percent renewable so far

826
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Speaker 4: I have wasn't done by government. It's been done with

827
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: people putting rooftop solar on. So it wasn't the government

828
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: actually going out and doing the infrastructure stuff. It was

829
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: people putting sold on the rooftops that actually push us

830
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: to that twenty percent. If those people hadn't have done

831
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: that those percentages would be far lower than what's being reported.

832
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Speaker 7: It's hypocritical and that's what I don't like. I think

833
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 7: I think Labor tended to not tell the truth and

834
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 7: the CEOP tends to be too honest. I think you've

835
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 7: got sort of both the parties sitting at either end

836
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 7: of the spectrum, and somewhere in the middle is.

837
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Well and somewhere in the middle where is where the

838
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: normal people are. Yeah, look, we are going to have

839
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: to take a very quick break. You are listening to

840
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the

841
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Speaker 1: week that was. You've just joined us. You've missed out

842
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: on an hour of power as always in the studio

843
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: with us this morning, Manuel Brown, Billyan and Robin Lamley. Now,

844
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: before I let you all go, we also know that

845
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: this week the government officially scrapped the third party Mirrit reviews.

846
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: We also saw a situation where the introduction of the

847
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Sacred Sites changes to the Sacred Sites Bill were introduced.

848
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Speaker 5: What do you make of it?

849
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: All?

850
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 7: You know, be overdue, I think, Katie, you know, I

851
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 7: think it's something that it's a bit of a hot potato.

852
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 7: I'm led to believe that labor hasn't touched the Sacred

853
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 7: Sites Act for years. The CLP are going to try

854
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 7: and put some tighter parameters around how it's managed so

855
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 7: there's more development man, and within reasonable time frames. I

856
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 7: think that's the biggest criticism.

857
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 4: It simplifies a couple of things too. Primarily is it

858
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: some things that small minor where people infringe on a

859
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: sacred site rather than having to go a Supreme court.

860
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: It gives up with the opportunity to actually issue all

861
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 4: fine rather than having to take them to Supreme Court.

862
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: But also, if I own this piece of land and

863
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 4: I say I sell it to you, Robin, I've already

864
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: got my arper clearance.

865
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: You have to.

866
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: Sell that piece of land to you. All the upper

867
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: clearance for that piece of land gage with it. It's

868
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: really common sense, simple approaches.

869
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: What do you recommend you on, Yeah, look at all

870
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: the boils down to consultation with with the with the

871
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: indigious groups and respect. Just go out there and have

872
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: a cap to everyone and make sure I don't leave

873
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: anyone out. It's obviously more to come.

874
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

875
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning, man,

876
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: your brown first time on the week that was mate.

877
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Speaker 5: We appreciate it. Thank you.

878
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Bell.

879
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Katie. It look big, big tides this weekend,

880
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: low tides West hit the snake grins, Troy Luck with a.

881
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 7: Bear, Okay, Robin's rolling her, guys, It's won't be doing

882
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: much fishing.

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Speaker 6: And Alice springs on the frame.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Katie, good on you, Robin, thank you. Wonderful to

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Speaker 1: have you all in the studio. Robin Lamley, Bill Yan

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Speaker 1: and Manuel Brown.