1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: My name's Tatasha Bamblet. I'm a proud First Nations woman 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: and I'm here to acknowledge country te glennyan Ganya nian 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: ar Kaka yah y and binahaka nian our gay In 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Mbini yak um jar doumayagumika umaga ihowaka na waman damon 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: immalan Bimba bang gadabomba in and now in waka ghana 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: on yakraum jar watanadaa. Hello, beautiful friends, we gather on 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: the lands of the Aboriginal people. We thank acknowledge and 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: respect the Abiginal people's land that we're gathering on today. 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Take pleasure in all the land and respect all that 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: you see. She's on the Money podcast acknowledges culture, country, 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: community and connections, bringing you the tools, knowledge and resources 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: for you to thrive. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: She's on the Money. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: She's on the Money. Hello, and welcome to She's on 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: the Money the podcast let's you be pervy about other 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: people's money stories for educational purposes, of course. Welcome back 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: to another one of our money diaries, brought to you 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: by our friends at Sky Wealth, where I get the 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: absolute privilege of sitting down with one of our incredible. 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: She's on the Money community members and talking to them 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: all about their journey. Let's jump straight into it, because 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: this week I got a message and it sounded exactly 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: like this high She's on the money. I grew up 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: seeing money at both extremes. My parents were young and 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: very wealthy. Then almost overnight it was all gone. For 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: a long time after I lived paycheck to paycheck and 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: in a constant state of stress. About four years ago 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: things started to change. I felt pregnant unexpectedly and had 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: to pull my head out. 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: Of the sand. 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: Now, with two kids, I'm focused on building something steady 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: and real. I'm not chasing huge wealth. I just want security, 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: options and a sense of control. For the first time, 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm actually getting there and creating a 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: different kind of future money Darist. This is going to 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: be juicy and good and exciting and also I think, 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: really wholesome. How are you welcome to the show? 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: Thank you? I'm well, thank you? 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Oh how good? 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: All right? 41 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: Before I get into the juicy stuff, because that's all 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: I want to get from this, I'm like, well, what 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: do you mean you were wealthy and then you weren't 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: tell me if I asked you to give yourself a 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 3: money grade from A through to F, what would it be. 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to give myself a C plus. Like I've 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: got some really good money habits now, but I've still 48 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: got some really bad money habits. I still feel like 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: me my partner in the learning and growing phase. But yeah, 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: we're in a much better position today than what we 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: were four years ago, so I'm very grateful for that. 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. All right, I need to know. You 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: need to tell me a little bit more about your 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: money story and the things that have impacted it. 55 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. So my mum had children quite young, well, both 56 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: my parents did. She fell pregnant when she was around 57 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: seventeen and still at high school. 58 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, the stress, the stress. But credit to her, she 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: finished her schooling and she got in university. 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Of course she did. What can't women do. 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: She met my dad shortly after that, and by the 63 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: age of twenty three there was four of us. What crazy, Yeah, 64 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: queen crazy, queen, calm down. I know. So I'm pretty 65 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: sure that life at that time was pretty stressful for them. 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: But do you think four kids? Yeah, basically under five? 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: What I know, it was teral, it was fer I 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: kind of am a little bit envious, but also don't 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: come near me with that energy. I'm scared. 70 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they talk about it now like it was 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: all cough nappies back then, and yeah, I just couldn't 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: even imagine it would have been. 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: So much harder, but also how wholesome. So tell me, 75 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: I need to know more. We had four kids because 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: they didn't know how making kids worked, or they had 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: four kids because they were like, let's just keep going. 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: We're already in the trenches of nappies, we may as 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: well keep going. Like was this intentional? Not intention I've 80 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: just got questions. 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: Knowing my parents, they're not planners. I don't think any 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: of this was planned. I think it always just one 83 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: big party and that's how it ended. So good on them. 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: I love it so grateful that, you know, I've got 85 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: three really great siblings. So yeah, grateful. But yeah, So 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: mum finished university and she's pretty much straight away she 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: got a really well paying job in the corporate world. 88 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: And I feel sad saying this. I don't exactly know 89 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: what that role was, but I do know that it 90 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: just came with all the bells and whistles. So she 91 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: had a company car, she had a fuel card, she 92 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: got to go on lots of international trips, she got bonuses, 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: and she had commissions and things like that. So wow, 94 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: we were living and she had four kids. 95 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: I know, I know, a nineties icon. I know, we 96 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: never just know the suits were hot, you just know. 97 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: I know. I'm just sad we never got to go 98 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: on any of our international trips with but we did 99 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: get some pretty cool souvenirs. So happy for that. 100 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: I mean, as a kid, that's a very good deal. 101 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: On the flip side, I remember my dad went to 102 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 3: a conference in America when I would have been three, 103 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: and he went to Disneyland and he brought back an 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: e your toy that I still have today and I'm 105 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: still obsessed with and it's just like the coolest thing ever. 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: And I used to tell everybody that Dad got it 107 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: for me overseas. 108 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what a flex. 109 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: I don't think kids care anymore about that, but like 110 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: back then, that was a big deal. 111 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love that. I love that. And look, 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: Dad was working pretty hard as well. I don't want 113 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: to give Mum all the credit I do, he was working. 114 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: Who runs the world? Girls? 115 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, So life was pretty sweet. I 116 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: mean that looked like for us, you know, we had 117 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: Fox style, we got takeaway every Tuesday night, we got 118 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: lots and lots of Birthday gifts and Christmas gifts and yeah, 119 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: life just felt really really special at that period of time. 120 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: That's really cool. But also isn't it How do I 121 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 3: say this? Isn't it funny? 122 00:05:59,640 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: That? 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: To me, those were definitely markers of Welsh as well. 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: So like the kids that have foxtail, we didn't have 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: a foxtail, like whooa rich Yeah, what do you mean 126 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: you get takeaway every week? That's crazy? Like for us, 127 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: that wasn't a thing. And if we got takeaway, it 128 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: was like a bit planned like, and there was a 129 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: fair bit of lead up to it, like it wasn't 130 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: a weekly thing, it wasn't even a monthly thing. Like yeah, 131 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: I just look at that and I go, yeah, you 132 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: must have been real rich. Did you have a double 133 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: door fridge? By chance? I don't think we did, but yeah, 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: or maybe not that rich. 135 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: I just remember as a kid feeling like we've made 136 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: it like you have, Yeah, this is great, this is 137 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: how life's supposed to be. 138 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. What happened next? 139 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: They separated. So just before I went into high school, 140 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: they separated and my mum left her corporate role. She 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: just wasn't creaking very well with the trouble and things 142 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: like that, and my dad had entered his own businessamily 143 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: member and that was just a plot. So no, like 144 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: a switch, we just went from being really really wealthy 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: to being really really poor. And also, I think it's 146 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: important to note that during that time where we did 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: have an abundance of cash, my parents did not do 148 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: anything with that money to set us up for the future. 149 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: So they didn't invest it in property, they didn't invest 150 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: it into the share market, and they I don't even 151 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: think they put any into a savings account. 152 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: We just you just don't know what you don't know 153 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: at that time though, And I mean, yeah, to give 154 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: them a little bit of credit. Four kids is really 155 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: hard and four kids is really expensive, so they were 156 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: probably like, you know what, let's live, love, laugh, like, 157 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: let's get takeaway, let's enjoy the moment, because we don't 158 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: actually have that much time with our kids, so when 159 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: we do, we may as well make the most of it. 160 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: And that can make cash disappear so quickly. 161 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that I really do think they just 162 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: wanted us to be happy and did whatever they could 163 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: to make us happy. 164 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I just heard the story of you were 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: definitely very happy. So tell me what's it like having 166 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: your parents separate right before high school. I feel like 167 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: that would have been, you know, obviously the best thing 168 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: for them, But it doesn't often feel that way for 169 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: the kids, does it. No, No, it was really stressful 170 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: for us, and you know, we really felt the tension, 171 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: We really felt the shift in the financial situation. And 172 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, there were times where we were boiling water 173 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: on the stove to heat up at the bath water 174 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: because the gas felle hadn't been paid to heat up 175 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: the bath water. The landlord was coming to the house 176 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: trying to find out where their rent money was. 177 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 178 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: And as kids, you're just like, I don't know, that 179 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: would have been such a weight on your shoulders because 180 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 3: you would have felt like, I don't know if the 181 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: word is secondhand embarrassment, but you were like, they're coming 182 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: after me, but like obviously they weren't, But that's how 183 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: you would have felt. Yeah. 184 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you I think as a child, you do 185 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: feel responsible, even though it's not your fault. You sort 186 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: of take that on and feel like that you've played 187 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: a role in that. So, yeah, that was really stressful. 188 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: And talk to me why that was the case, because 189 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: obviously overnight, you know, your mum didn't take the separation 190 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: well and resigned from her job. But was that, you know, 191 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: because they weren't supporting each other through that period of time. 192 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: And we don't need to get into the nitty gritty 193 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: of their relationship, but you know, sometimes this happens because well, 194 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: now there's two households to pay for, or it happens 195 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: because there seems to be some kind of disconnect between 196 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 3: the fact that, you know, the mum ends up with 197 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: all the kids and all of their expenses and the 198 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: dad rides off into the sunset, Like there are different situations, right, 199 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: What did it look like for you? 200 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: Look, it was toxic and yeah, we weren't spared any details. 201 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: So oh cool, thanks guys. That's not gonna mean that 202 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: I have to pay for therapy later in life. 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: I know they definitely used us the sounding boards, and 204 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: I just you know, I don't hold that against them. 205 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: I think they were in their early twenties and I 206 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: think back to when I was in my early twenties 207 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: and I probably would have done the same thing. 208 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also you don't what you don't know, 209 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: and I'm sure they were trying their best. And you know, 210 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: if we'd asked your mom back then, you know, why 211 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 3: are you telling money darist about this, she would have 212 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: been like, oh, she's the only one that also knows everybody. Yeah, 213 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: like I get a queen. That's also trauma. Let's not 214 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: do that in the future. 215 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 2: And I just remember being at school and I was 216 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: the only kid that in my class that didn't have 217 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: a surf branded pencil case and I didn't have the 218 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: embroidered Polo T shirt. So just feeling like I didn't 219 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: fit in. 220 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: That breaks my heart because it's not the case. But 221 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 3: that's exactly how kids measure value. Yes, yes, oh my 222 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: roxy pencil case that I begged my mom for was 223 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: like my pride and joy. 224 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was so jealous of all the girls 225 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: that had those. But anyway, now I know that those 226 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: little things are just so not important. 227 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 3: They really aren't, and they are not markers of wealth. 228 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: But when you're little, like it's funny the things that 229 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: you cling onto because you go, well, that means they're 230 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: doing well, yeah, yeah, and it's a pencil case. 231 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah literally. 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: Anyway, so tell me what did that look like once 233 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: kind of the dust had settled a bit or did 234 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: it take a few years for the dust to settle. 235 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: It took a few years for the dust to settle, 236 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: Like I finished school and that was a struggle, like, yeah, 237 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: my parents were living paycheck to paycheck and barty and 238 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: but yeah, I got through school and then I moved 239 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: out of home. And I think this would be relatable 240 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: to some people because I didn't like the step mom. 241 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: I was like, get me out of here. 242 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is getting stereotypical. I love it. 243 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah she was crazy and I was out, like 244 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: she didn't like me. So she's still around, she's not, thankfully, 245 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh thank god. 246 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: So dad came to his senses as well. 247 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's been a few crazy since then. 248 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: But so we know it's how to pick and get it. 249 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: Kid. 250 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: When we say we don't like the stepmum, I know 251 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: that's really stereotypical. But when you were moving out, and 252 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: maybe this is more a therapist conversation than it is 253 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 3: the money conversation, but did you feel like, great, I 254 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: have to move out. That's my dad and this new 255 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: woman that he's picking over me in a way, because like, 256 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: I've got a few girlfriends who went through the same 257 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 3: circumstances and they were like, I have to leave, she's 258 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: here and now she's kind of on my turf. What 259 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: did that look like in reality? Did that kind of 260 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: create a divide between you and your dad? 261 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: It did? But he had been single for ten years, 262 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 2: so we had had the luxury of just having him 263 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: all to ourselves and I was the only girl, so right, Yeah, 264 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: so when another woman came along, it was stricy. 265 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, understandably. Yeah. 266 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: I don't think I mattered who it was going to be. 267 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: It was always going to be hard, given that he 268 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: had been single for so long. 269 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but also then she was toxic, so that really 270 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: you didn't help it. 271 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and that relationship was toxic. Yeah. 272 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: Okay, So then what happened? You moved out of home, 273 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: you started renting for the first time. Was that easy? 274 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: Was it hard? Was it confronting? 275 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: That was triggy? I guess one thing that I did 276 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: take away from my childhood was that I always ensured 277 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: that my rent was paid on time because I didn't 278 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: want any landlord knocking on my door. So I did that. 279 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: I made sure I did that every week. But then 280 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: the rest of the money it was just yollow. It 281 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: got spent on I don't even know what. And I 282 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: was living week to week and studying at the same time. 283 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: That's hard, yeah, trying to do placement and keep up 284 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: with life. But during that period of time, I met 285 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: my now ex partner and okay, I got introduced to 286 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: his family, and that was the first time that I'd 287 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: really seen how the other side lived. 288 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: Like. 289 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: His family had the white picket fence, they had the 290 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: well trained. Him and his brother went to private school. 291 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: They did a golden retriever. It was a border collie, 292 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: so same same. 293 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, same same. They had pretty throw dugs and ornaments everywhere, 294 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: and I. 295 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: Was just like, wow, well what is this? 296 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Like I was like I want this, Like 297 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: this is how I want to live my life. This 298 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: is great. And they, like his parents, were very open 299 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: and talking about the fact that they were going to 300 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: retire early. The family all went on an annual trip together. 301 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: Like yeah, they just to me they were living the 302 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: high life. Wow. So once I finished university and got 303 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: an adult job, I started saving pretty aggressively for a 304 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: deposit for a house. 305 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: Oh good job. Yeah, it would have been so easy 306 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: with a partner like that to be like, right, well, 307 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: I'm fine, I'm just gonna match and keep up with 308 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: the Joneses and start spending money on stuff. 309 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: No. 310 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: No, I wanted to contribute to the deposit, so I 311 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: started saving pretty aggressively, and then you know, we got engaged. 312 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: We went to Europe, and then we moved into our 313 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: dream home that we built together, and I just thought, 314 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: I've made it like this. 315 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: You have your own white picket since yes. 316 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I thought, you know, this is it. 317 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: This is my life and this is great. But we 318 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: know that when it's you know, too good to be true, 319 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: it probably is. 320 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes it is. No, why was it too good to 321 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: be true? 322 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: Do I want to know? 323 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: Is this going to make me mad? 324 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: Look? I know this is a finance podcast, but I 325 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: know you do like juicy details. 326 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: So oh yeah, sorry, we just girls. Yeah. 327 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: Two months before the wedding, I got a message. 328 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: Request you got the hey girl message? 329 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: No, no, it was his ex girlfriend and she sort 330 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: of started the conversation with I know you're about to 331 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: get marriage, so I just want to clear my conscience. 332 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: This is what's been going on your entire relationship, and 333 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: she's mad the receipts and the receipts. 334 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's not a girl's girl. I mean, 335 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: do you know what, maybe it is a girl's girl, 336 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: because I don't know how you reacted, but I'm not 337 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: going to immediately like trust the ex girlfriend. Like I 338 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: think I would have needed the receipts to believe that. Yeah, 339 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: Like I think I would have tried really hard to 340 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: tell myself a narrative of like she's just trying to 341 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: ruin my happiness or like something I don't know, and 342 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: like that's probably really toxic to admit to. But at 343 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: the same time, like maybe you needed the receipts. 344 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I think my friends were a 345 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: lot more mad at her than what I was, because 346 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: I was, like, you know what, she just she didn't 347 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: know me anything. At the end of the day, she 348 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: didn't know me. I don't agree with her behavior, and 349 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I wouldn't do something like that, 350 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: But I was more mad at him, and given that 351 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: I did have the receipts, there was no denying. 352 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like that's justified. Did anger? I 353 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: feel like I'm always confused when people are mad at 354 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: the other woman, Like, yeah, you're right, she's not a 355 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: good human. Like, and I don't care what people say. 356 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: This podcast only gets listened to by millions, But I 357 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: don't care what people say if you actively go into 358 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: that kind of relationship knowing that they've got a partner 359 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: that's also on you, Like, that's a choice that you're making. 360 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: You're not probably the type of person I want to 361 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: keep the company of. But again, you're right, that person 362 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: doesn't owe me anything, but my partner he owes me 363 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: loyalty like he does. So I know where my anger's going, 364 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: and I feel like it would be where you placed it. 365 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: Two months before the wedding. 366 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: Two months before the wedding, No, root, Root, what did 367 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: you do? Wow? Obviously I had to cancel the wedding. 368 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: That was the first thing. 369 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: Some girls wouldn't queen, that's very big, Like some girls 370 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: would have been like, no, like he'll change, maybe he'll 371 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: be different when we're married. 372 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 373 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: No, I'm very glad that I did cancel that wedding. 374 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: And look, I think that's sad part about that. I 375 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: was thinking about this today was my dad actually got 376 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: a personal loan out to pay for that wedding, and 377 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, Like I just thought he had 378 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: that spare cash laying around. 379 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: Dad. Yeah, okay, but like thanks dad, you are a king. Yes, 380 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: I don't like your choice in girlfriends, but thank you 381 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: for loving me. 382 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: Still. Yes, yes, and I know he just would have 383 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: wanted to do that like he was, you know, wanted 384 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: to do the traditional thing. And I'm so glad that 385 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: he got all of his money back. Oh he did, 386 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: he did, he did, so thankful for that and I 387 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: hope he paid it off and just close that. But 388 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: I know he probably did you. 389 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: Do anything, Petty, did you like Telly his family, because 390 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: like I would have just taken those receipts street to 391 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: his mum. I'm so sorry. I'm just that person. 392 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: Well, look, it gets even juicier because it does because 393 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: his dad actually had an affair with her mom, so 394 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: you know, keep it in the family, keep it in 395 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: the family, drop it. 396 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: So it was basically intestuous. I loved this for them. 397 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: I'm very cute. Yeah, I'm just so glad. I'm just 398 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: out of it. Like they honestly, they did, they do me. 399 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: I'm glad you are too. You deserve so much more. 400 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: Actually made me realize that, you know, I was so 401 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 2: embarrassed of my life because of what I saw that 402 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: they had. It made me put things into perspective and 403 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: realized that I shouldn't feel that way about my parents 404 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: because they're better people than that, exactly, And. 405 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: I'm really sorry. Like, just because it was toxic with 406 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 3: your situation like that doesn't mean we have to accept 407 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: it anywhere else, Like, oh yeah, what the hell? One 408 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: out of ten rating for him? Also glad you kicked 409 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: him to the curb two months before the wedding. How 410 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: did he respond? Was he like, no, I'm not. 411 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 2: Initially he did the whole I'm going to commit suicide thing? 412 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, do you know what if if anyone ever 413 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: does that, called the cops. Yeah, that's a threat. How 414 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: did you deal with that? 415 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I really can't remember. I feel like 416 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: I blocked it was so traumatic that I've just blocked it. 417 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: And I do have to admit I did stay in 418 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: that relationship for another twelve months because I was just like, 419 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: you canceled the wedding. I feel like we all deal 420 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: with things in different ways. Absolutely no judgment. But for 421 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: anyone listening, if a partner or someone related to you 422 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: ever threatens that, you call the police immediately and you 423 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: take them nothing but seriously, like you need to call 424 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: an ambulance. 425 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: I'm really sorry. If someone is threatening their life, you 426 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: call an ambulance. 427 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Like. 428 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: People should not be threatening that. And if they mentally unwell, 429 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 3: whether they are threatening that for real or they're just 430 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: trying to be manipulative, call them. Yeah, hands down, I'll 431 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: take you seriously. 432 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard you say that on this podcast before, 433 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: and I yeah, I think that's such great advice. 434 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, I just feel like sometimes it gets 435 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: thrown around too flippantly. I'm really sorry, but if you're 436 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 3: going to threaten that as a way of manipulating me, 437 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: I absolutely know you are not. 438 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 439 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my goodness. So another twelve months in this relationship. 440 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: Was it an enjoyable twelve months or a struggling twelve 441 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: months of to make it work when it was never 442 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: going to work. 443 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: It was a struggle, And honestly, my best advice that 444 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: if anyone's ever with someone that cheats and think they 445 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: can make it work, most of the time you just can't, 446 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: and it changes you as a person and you become 447 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: resentful and spiteful, and I just became a really bad 448 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: version of myself. And I'm not proud of the person 449 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: that I was during that twelve months. Well I am. 450 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: She was coming to the conclusion that that wasn't the 451 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: right fit for her and sometimes you need to learn 452 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: a few hard lessons. 453 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But then COVID hit and I think three 454 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: weeks in lockdown together and it was that was done. 455 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 3: Oh we were done. 456 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get forced to actually spend time together 457 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: and we realized pretty recklarly that this was not going 458 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: to work. 459 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: No, but also good and so you break up. It's 460 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: COVID one out of ten. Timing what happens next, Well, 461 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: he was. 462 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: Pretty determined to keep the house and he had a 463 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: real emotional attachment to that house, and honestly, I was like, 464 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: what have I like? I yeah, I don't want to 465 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: be here. It just holds so many bad memories for me. 466 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: And my best friend at the time was just on 467 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: the phone to me and she was like, just get 468 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: here right now. I've got a spare room, I've set 469 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: up a TV in there for you, Like, just pack 470 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: your bags. Let's go stop it. She's like, I've been 471 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: playing house come yes, yes, yes, So I moved out 472 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: and I will give this guy credit where credits due. 473 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: The financial side of things was settled very amicably and 474 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: there was oh god, there's no lawyers involved. It was 475 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: very calm and we're both very happy with the outcome. 476 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: So it ended on a positive note. That's all I 477 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: can ask for. 478 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: He owed that to you, I'm telling you right now, 479 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: after putting you through that amount of stress and making 480 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 3: you cancel a wedding two months before it happened. Yeah, no, no, 481 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: he owed that to you. I'm so glad you got it. 482 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we sat grated in the April. The settlement 483 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: all went through in the July, and by October I 484 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: purchased my home that we're living in now, and I 485 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: love it. Stop it. 486 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: I love that. All by yourself or by myself. 487 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: I had some really good friends help me during that time, 488 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: because I didn't have any family around me, and they 489 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: would come to house inspections for me and ask all 490 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: the questions and helping me put together furniture. And I'm 491 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: just so lucky you to have the friend trips that 492 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: I do. Have because I think if I didn't have them, 493 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be in this position today. 494 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, what I can't again. You deserve those friends. 495 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: Good things happened to good people. 496 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: I think they were just waiting. They were just waiting 497 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: for me to leave. And then they're like great, like, 498 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: let's make sure she's in a position where she's not 499 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: going to go back. 500 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. That's me with a couple of friends, 501 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: and I just go I'll just wait here. That's fine, 502 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: you come to that conclusion, I will be right here. 503 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 3: Like my husband, And this is a complete side note. 504 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: People aren't like Victoria, you're not talking about money. My 505 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: husband says that I like to quote collect strays, and 506 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: they're not necessarily strays. But I will come home from 507 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: work one day and be like, by the way, x 508 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: y Z is moving in with us for a few weeks, 509 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: and he'll be like great, perfect, just because I'm just like, no, 510 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. And I feel so lucky to have 511 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 3: the space for you. Come. It's fine, Like I just 512 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: don't want you to be by yourself, and most importantly, 513 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: I don't want you to go back to them. 514 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: Yes, and it gives you an excuse to just drink 515 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: wine and gossip and talk shit about the guy. And yeah, exactly, 516 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: and that's cathartic exactly. 517 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: So how old are you when you bought this house? 518 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: So that was twenty twenty, which was six years ago. 519 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: So I was twenty eight. 520 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: Okay, so you bought the house that you currently live in. 521 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: But like fast forward, you said you have two babies. 522 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: So still in the blanks, what has happened in the 523 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: last six years? 524 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: I followed suit with my parents. Sorry, twelve months later 525 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: I met my partner who I'm with today. Gorgeous, yes, 526 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: and I think because it was Coryban it was lockdown. 527 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 2: Things got serious very very quickly. 528 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: Oh it's a pressure cooker like it was definitely like 529 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: because you couldn't go out for dinner and spread things 530 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: out and there was no socializing with friends in between. 531 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: You were just like zero or one hundred mate, like 532 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 3: you're in or you're out. 533 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, And within twelve months of becoming official, we 534 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: celebrated it our twelve months together and the very next 535 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: day I gave birth to out out this child. Stop it. 536 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: That's iconic, I. 537 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: Know, I know, and it sounds so crazy. But honestly, 538 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: I have no regrets, Like, no, I love it, happy 539 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: it it happened that way. 540 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: Just to like quickly ask what people might be thinking. 541 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: That was not planned, right, Like you didn't get with 542 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: somebody and then two three months in you were like, 543 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: let's have a baby together. That's not what happened, right, No, 544 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: definitely not. 545 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: I was just at work one day actually, and one 546 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: of my friends was like, oh, I'm pregnant, and I 547 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: was thinking, I'm like, I'm late for my period and 548 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: this has never happened before. 549 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: You were like, that feels relatable. 550 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: Yea. So I phoned one of my friends and I 551 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I am late. And she 552 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: was like, okay, well get a pregnancy test, get a 553 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: bottle of wine, let's meet at your house. 554 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: True pregnancy tested in a bottle of wine. 555 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: I love it. Yes, I know, I know. And I 556 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: did the test and I thought it was negative. 557 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: So I drank the bottle of wine glass. Yeah, yeah, iconic. 558 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: And then it developed and you looked at it later 559 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: on the bench, Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. 560 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: No, no, but we've all been there, Like, don't get 561 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: me wrong. I was trying to get pregnant, but I 562 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: thought I wasn't pregnant when I was with Chemi, and like, 563 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: I went and got a laser facial, you're not allowed those. 564 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: Well pregnant, I had like four margaritas in one night, 565 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: and then a week later I was like, I swear 566 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 3: like I'm not feeling good, like I swear I am pregnant. Yeah, 567 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: I was. I should have double tested or something. 568 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: Who knows. Anyway, Anyway, they're here, they're healthy, just about it. 569 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: And I think it's probably important to note that during 570 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: that twelve months or when I moved out and got 571 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: my own house, I went back to my old habits, 572 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: just ensuring I had enough to bate a mortgage, and 573 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: then the rest was just spent on country road jumpers 574 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: and a daars quills and just meaningless stuff Like I 575 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: wasn't saving during that time, and I definitely wasn't making 576 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: extra repayments when the interest rates were two forty one cent. 577 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: So mad regrets about that. 578 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, But also, isn't it funny when you say that, 579 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: it's so relatable. I think when we talk about overspending, 580 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 3: we often think, oh, it's really big items, but it 581 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: really is a dares and country road, isn't it. Yeah, 582 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: like that stuff adds up. And why is it more 583 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: than eighty dollars? 584 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: Now? What the hell? I know? I know, and I 585 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: don't think I even waited for the spend and say 586 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: it was just like I just want it right uresday night. 587 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's late night shopping. 588 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: Yes, but anyway, it's part of my story and I'm 589 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: doing things differently now. So that's amazing. 590 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 3: Love. And so we have a baby the day after 591 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: our twelve month anniversary. You got to celebrate your anniversary. 592 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: I love that. 593 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 3: Yes, And then now you've got two of them. 594 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so now I've got two of them. Sorry. When 595 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: I gave birth to my eldest child, we obviously hadn't 596 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: planned for it, so we didn't plan for the maternity leave, 597 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: and I had to go into sunder link pay and 598 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: grateful that we have that opportunity. But things were really 599 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: really tight and we were really really stressed. And then 600 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: I was catching up for lunch with a friend. I 601 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: think my son was eighteen months at this stage, and 602 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: she actually told me about your podcast. 603 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: Oh, hello, welcome, this is where I get to enter 604 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: the chat. 605 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where you went to the chat. And 606 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: my partner had been saying things to me like we 607 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: need to get serious and you need to rain any spending, 608 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: and we need to think about our future. But it 609 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: wasn't until yeah, like I was introduced to your podcast 610 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: and I don't know, things were explained to me in 611 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: a fun and exciting, in a relatable way that it 612 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: started to stick and I started to put into place 613 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: and things to ensure that we had financial security for 614 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: our future. 615 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: I adore that, But also, isn't it so strange how 616 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: much pressure it feels, or like how much pressure gets 617 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: put on you by yourself when people are saying things like, oh, 618 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: money direst you need to get it together, or we 619 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: really need to talk about you know, being better with money, 620 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: but not knowing where to channel that energy and also 621 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: not feeling like you've got any of the tools or 622 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: resources like just going out. Oh my god, every time 623 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: time he mentioned it, you probably like, yep, yep, cool, 624 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: no worries, I will, I will, And then you just 625 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: don't know where to channel that energy. And then all 626 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: of a sudden, there seems to be a piece of 627 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: content that is for you and directed at you, and 628 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: you're like, wait, this doesn't need to be as hard 629 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: or as overwhelming. What the hell like, I didn't expect 630 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: it to be as consumable as it was feeling before. Yeah. 631 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: And I think also, like it's really easy to just 632 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: be like, well, we don't know millions, so we don't 633 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: have the ability to do those things and set ourselves 634 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: up for the future. 635 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 636 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: Crazy. So fuss forward, You've entered the shees on the 637 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: money chat. Ye, new personality is into the villa. And 638 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: then what happens You start to get your money story together. 639 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: I start to get my money story together. I purchase 640 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: your Money Masterclass. Thank you. I purchased it on my 641 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: credit card. You gotta do what you got to do. 642 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: I didn't even offer after pay for a reason on that. 643 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: I was like, nah, like, I'm so sorry if you 644 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: have to buy this enough to pay, I'm not letting 645 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: people buy I'm not accepting after pay forgetting that people 646 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: could just put it on their credit cards. 647 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was me. And I also did the thing 648 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: that you say not to do at the start of 649 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: the master class, which is don't go straight to the spreadgey. 650 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: And I was like, I have to go straight to 651 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: the sproadgie. I try. 652 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: I try to tell you. I tried, I tried, but 653 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: you are just me. 654 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: You are me. 655 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: That's exactly what I would do. And you know I 656 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: had to tell you because I knew you would do it, 657 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: because I would do it. Yeah, so that is our bible. 658 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: Now, that is what we live off. That spreadsheet. It 659 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: is so pretty. And yeah, like I'm constantly reviewing our 660 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: insurances every year. Now, I'm obsessed with you love this, 661 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: comparing utilities. We have an emergency savings account, Yes, you do. 662 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: Love. 663 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: I started dabbling in investing and paying extra off the mortgage, 664 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: which is something that's really important for me. 665 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: Yet love, Okay, and then when does baby number two 666 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: come along? 667 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: She came along nine months ago. Now she was planned, 668 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: but yeah, she's our last baby and very very thankful 669 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: for it. 670 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: That's so exciting. And now what's the plan moving from here? 671 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 3: If you've decided okay, that's our last baby, two kids, 672 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: we are done. What does the future look like? 673 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, we have our short term goals and at the moment, 674 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: we're just fixing up our house that we're living in 675 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: and giving it some personality and some love and making 676 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: it a space that we feel really proud of. Medium term, 677 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: we are engaged. We got engaged. Yeah, oh I love love. 678 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: So that's really really exciting. And we don't want a 679 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: big wedding, you know, I nearly want ahead with a 680 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: big wedding and I'm not doing that again. So it'll 681 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: just be something really that's fair. Yeah, something really small 682 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: and intimate and like my vision is that we will 683 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: just book a house for the weekend after we actually 684 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: have the official ceremony and then invital of our friends 685 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: and families and spy pizza, b my alcohol. I don't 686 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 2: want any gifts. Bring your kids, yeah, just super chick. 687 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: Bring your kids is iconic. 688 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 689 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: I know lots of people have weddings and say no kids. 690 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: The kids at my wedding made it, but it was 691 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: just I know that I have kids now, so it 692 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: probably means more. But I didn't have kids then, and 693 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: I was obsessed like just little humans. Their magic. I 694 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: don't know what's in them. Sometimes they're crazy, sometimes they 695 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: ruin things, but mostly magic, I think. 696 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's important to note too that 697 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: my partner's actually not from Australia, so we will be 698 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: going overseas hopefully at the end of next year and 699 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: celebrating with them. Too. You're over there, so that's really 700 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: important for us. 701 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: That's so exciting. But what type of financial planning do 702 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: you have to do for that moving forward? 703 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: Then? 704 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: Is that something where you'll consistently go overseas with you 705 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: and the kids to go visit family. 706 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: Definitely? I love traveling anyway, and I'm so grateful that 707 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: I've been able to give my kids so these experiences. 708 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 2: My first child's been on two international trips now and 709 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: my daughter k son calm down, my daughter's about to 710 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: go on her first one for a birthday, and so, yeah, 711 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: travel is definitely in our future, and I think it's 712 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: really important for my partner to be able to go 713 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: and visit his family often and for our kids to 714 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: have a relationship with his family, Like that's really really 715 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: important to both of us. 716 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 3: Adore, all right, tell me how much money do you 717 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: and what do you actually do for work? 718 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: So I'm a nurse and I work part time seven 719 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: ships a fortnight and I am king between ninety and 720 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars a year before tax plus supernation. 721 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, that's nice, and that's your part time income. 722 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: What type of nursing are we doing? 723 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm an associate nurse, you know, manager. 724 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 3: So she's a big dog. She's a big dog, she's 725 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: a fancy girl. 726 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: Play that. I would not say that. 727 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: You and I both know that's impressive. So you just 728 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 3: sit down, all right, that is very impressive. Talk to 729 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 3: me about your big money goals. Like you mentioned that 730 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 3: you're getting married, but you're also trying to make the 731 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: house somewhere that you're really proud of. But you also 732 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 3: have overseas travel. What are your big money goals? What 733 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: are you currently working towards. 734 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: Look, I think we would love to have a house 735 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: on the beach one day. But given my childhood and 736 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: where I've come from and the roller coaster of a 737 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: life that I've lived, honestly, success to me it just 738 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: looks like being able to pay for my groceries every week, 739 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: cover my bills, give my children some really nice experiences, 740 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: and just not having to stress like that is just 741 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: the ultimate goal. Like I don't need fancy things. I 742 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: don't want designer bags or twenty houses or anything like that. 743 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: I just want to be comfortable and I just don't 744 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: want to have money being a huge stress in my life. Yeah, 745 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: I think that's an everyone's goal. 746 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 3: Well, you say that, but I think that that's a 747 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: really wholesome goal, and unfortunately it's come from negative experiences 748 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: of being like, well, there have been times where we 749 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 3: haven't been able to do that, or there are gas 750 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 3: got cut off, or you know, so many other things, 751 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 3: and unfortunately it has come from trauma. But I think 752 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 3: that just to be able to take things like that 753 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 3: not for granted is actually a really big goal of 754 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: a lot of people's because they just go, oh, well, 755 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: I'm not enough, I'm not this, I'm not that. But like, 756 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 3: just being grateful for the small things means that the 757 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 3: big things mean so much more. Like you will just 758 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: find so much joy in everyday life if you can 759 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 3: appreciate what you already have at home, and that is 760 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 3: just so nice. 761 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I had a moment last week where like, 762 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: I took my son to the dentist for a first time, 763 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: and he's going to need work done, and I was 764 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 2: just like, yeah, fine, let's book it in. And then 765 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: I had a memory of when I went to the 766 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 2: dentist for the first time and I was a teenager 767 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: because honestly, we're barely affortitude brush at that stage, and 768 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 2: I had to get like three or four feelings done, 769 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: and I remember my parents having to be like, we 770 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: can only get one done today, Like we're not going 771 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 2: to be able to get them all done today. So 772 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: just to be able to, you know, take my son 773 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: to the dentist and get the work done that he 774 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 2: needs just feels like, Yeah, that just feels like success 775 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: to me. And I'm super that is success. 776 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 3: That is so successful. I'm obsessed, like what a money 777 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 3: glow up? Like what a money story glow up? Let's 778 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 3: go to a really quick break because on the flip side, 779 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: I want to talk about investing, I want to talk 780 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: about debt, I want to talk about the personal insurances 781 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 3: you touched on. And then I'm pretty sure over this 782 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 3: period of time you've got some pretty good money habits 783 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: that you could share with us. So guys, don't go anywhere. 784 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 3: Our one thousandth episode is coming up soon. To celebrate, 785 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 3: we're giving one clever listener a chance to win She's 786 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 3: Stashed the Cash. Today's mystery word is thousand. Tune into 787 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 3: episodes of She's on the Money between the seventeenth of 788 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 3: June and the third of July and listen out for 789 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 3: the hidden code words. They're are five in total. The 790 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: first person to arrange the code words in the correct 791 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: order will win one thousand dollars. Entries open on Friday, 792 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,479 Speaker 3: the third of July, with details shared live on the pod. 793 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 3: Good luck and happy hunting. All right, money diarist, we 794 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 3: are back and you were introduced to the She's on 795 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: the Money community by obviously the best friend you've ever had. Like, 796 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: what an icon? 797 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: I love her? 798 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: But are you currently investing? If so, what does that 799 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 3: look like? 800 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 2: Yes, so our pull out mown routes for We're fun. 801 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't have a huge extensive investing portfolio, but I 802 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: have one hundred and seventy thousand dollars in my superannuation account. 803 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 3: Sorry what could you just say that again? One hundred 804 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 3: and seventy thousand dollars? Yes, okay, queen. 805 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 2: I haven't made any extra contributions to that, so that's 806 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: just in the defol account you've seem so. 807 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 3: For those of you playing along at home, this interview 808 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 3: is only audio, but I can see our money dost. 809 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 3: She's looking at me like, maybe that's not enough, Queen? 810 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 3: How did you get one hundred and seventy thousand dollars 811 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 3: with no additional contributions at thirty four years of age, 812 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 3: I have. 813 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 2: No idea, like I, I'm just with a debut. That's 814 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 2: the depault. 815 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 3: Oh good, Have you been working since you were two 816 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 3: years old or something? 817 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 2: No, I haven't. But it's in the balanced growth portfolio. 818 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 2: And I know there's a high growth option and I 819 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: know that, and probably this should be switchy. 820 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 3: That's okay, but we pick what we're coming sable with. 821 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 2: But I haven't done anything with it, so yeah, that's up. 822 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 3: Just to put that in context, for a woman aged 823 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: thirty to thirty four, and you're thirty four, the average 824 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 3: super balance sits between forty four thousand and fifty eight 825 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Okay, well that's you're running rings around yourself, 826 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 3: which I am so proud of you for. But the 827 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 3: fact that you then said it's not even in high growth, 828 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: I was like, queen, what, I love that for you. 829 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 3: But that just means you've got an epic work ethic. 830 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: Clearly you've done a lot of hours to recruit that. 831 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 3: Are you working in an area where you get extra 832 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 3: super or is this just literally banking up slowly and consistently. 833 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 2: Before kids, I have been of a workaholic so I 834 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 2: was the one that was always putting myself up to 835 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 2: do the double shifts and overtime and things like that. 836 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Queen, it's paid off. Like you could just literally 837 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 3: have that compound and you will retire comfortably. That is 838 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 3: very exciting. I'm not telling you to change your risk 839 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: profile at all, but what I heard before was that 840 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 3: you just haven't reviewed it, not that you've reviewed it, 841 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 3: and you were like, no, I really like that risk profile, 842 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 3: you said, I haven't looked at it. So what I 843 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 3: want you to do is make the most of that 844 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 3: because and I'm not being dramatic here, it's going to 845 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 3: sound really druma but not caring and not actually taking 846 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 3: that action is going to cost you hundreds of thousands 847 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 3: of dollars when you retire. Like the difference between a 848 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: one percent return. Now, if you're in a different bracket, 849 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 3: like if you did your risk profile and came out 850 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 3: as a growth investor or a high growth investor, the 851 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 3: difference might be up to three percent, But the difference 852 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 3: of that over the next thirty years literally is hundreds 853 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars that you're stopping yourself from gaining. 854 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 3: And I promise you'll wish in hindsight that you've done 855 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 3: something about it. If things are getting a little bit tricky, 856 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 3: so it's free. Just have a look at it. I'm 857 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 3: not saying change your profile. If you're not comfortable with it, 858 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 3: don't do it. But please just look at it, like 859 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 3: I just please, thank you, No, I just look at it. 860 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: Just just go and look at it. And if it's scary, 861 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 3: you can run away, but at least you looked, and 862 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: then go and look another time when it's less overwhelming. 863 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 3: But like, this is stuff that we have to take 864 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 3: seriously and that's free. Like that is free. And in 865 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 3: this economy, I'm sorry, it is so hard to put 866 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 3: money in the right places and feel like we're consistently contributing. 867 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 3: But my queen, you could literally be hundreds of thousands 868 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,959 Speaker 3: of dollars better off just by do win a little 869 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 3: bit of Bravo admin. Well maybe hopefully the kids are 870 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 3: still not Yeah. 871 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. I definitely will, I 872 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 2: definitely will. 873 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: I promise I'm gonna follow you up. I'm so sorry. 874 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, did you go look at your 875 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 3: thing yet? It's so sorry, but also not sorry at all. 876 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 2: That's that, and then I purchased our home, like I 877 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: said in twenty twenty, and that cost me about five 878 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five thousand. 879 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 3: I was about to ask girls, about to say, what 880 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 3: debt are you in? My friend? Is good debt, but 881 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 3: what does it look like? 882 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 2: We currently ow about three hundred and twenty one thousand 883 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: dollars on that mortgage. 884 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 3: Very cool. 885 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: And then a household two doors down from us, which 886 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 2: is similar to this one, that's sold for about seven 887 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 2: hundred thousand. So that's really good to see. Oh, very nice. 888 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 3: I have to be really pervy in the best of ways, 889 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 3: but also maybe like is this bad? Maybe a protective way, 890 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 3: like I love your partner, because you love your partner, 891 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 3: but you told me before I bought the house, like 892 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 3: you know, I broke up with this toxic boyfriend and 893 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 3: then I was able to buy a house and I 894 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 3: did it all by myself. And now the narrative or 895 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 3: the thing that I'm picking up is that you're using 896 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: this house as like a WI tell me about that, 897 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 3: like is this now your house combined? Like is he 898 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 3: paying for the mortgage? And if something happened, like what's 899 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 3: the plan there? 900 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: Yes? 901 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 3: Sorry, if that's an overwhelming. 902 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 2: My history, that's not an overwhelming question. Yes, this is 903 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 2: now our house. This is a house that we pay 904 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: for together. We have another investment property that he owns. Yeah. 905 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 3: Okay, so he's brought something to the relationship and hasn't 906 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 3: just like kind of taken over paying for some of 907 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 3: your mortgage and then if something happened, he'd walk away 908 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 3: with half your house. 909 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 910 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 3: No, like there's another asset floating in the. 911 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: Yes, there is. And then I have about three six 912 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 2: hundred dollars in a raise account. 913 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 3: Okay, that is it. 914 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:56,919 Speaker 4: Pick. 915 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 2: The only reason I picked that is because when I 916 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 2: first started this whole thing, that just felt like the 917 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 2: easiest option totally. 918 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 3: And it's micro investing, so it doesn't feel like you're 919 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 3: biting off more than you can chew, right, Like it 920 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 3: just feels like, Okay, that's a cool gateway drug. 921 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a satin bagette thing. And I know 922 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 2: the things are quite high and all the. 923 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 3: Rest of it, but I wouldn't care. Like, to me, 924 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,919 Speaker 3: that's an investment into your financial literacy. My queen is investing. Yeah, 925 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 3: that's what we want to see. 926 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 2: And I just started off with twenty five dollars a week. 927 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 2: And I justified that because like I was like, I'd 928 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 2: be willing to drop twenty five dollars on a margarita 929 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 2: each week, so oh, same, instead of buying the minorita, 930 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 2: I'll put it into the raise account. So that's it. 931 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 3: I like that we've got margarita money and now it's 932 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 3: thousands of dollars. 933 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do have a share these account and 934 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 2: that's got about two eight hundred dollars invested, all invested 935 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 2: in BDHG and okay, iconic again. I was just like, 936 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 2: I need to pick something easy. I love this. 937 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 3: I think that that is a really clean, nice way 938 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 3: to start your investing journey. And like with your super 939 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 3: you've proven that from little things, big things grows, so like, 940 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 3: look at you go, I'm so excited. Yeah, now tell me. 941 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 3: We've already heard about your debt for your property and 942 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 3: what that looks like. Do you have any other debts 943 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 3: sitting around? 944 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 2: I don't have any consumer debt. I do have a 945 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 2: rewards credit card with a six thousand dollar limit on that, 946 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 2: but that is page for every month and awesome, yeah, 947 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 2: purely for points hacking, and that's paying for us to 948 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 2: go overseas for my daughter's first birthdays and super thankful 949 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 2: for that love. 950 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 3: But that's not really a debt. That's a strategy for 951 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 3: cash flow and maximizing it if you can look after it. 952 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I was looking at what I could 953 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 2: have got with my points, and it was like, the 954 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 2: four of us could go to Bali and back, or 955 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 2: I could have gone first class to Europe. But you 956 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 2: know the sacrifices you have to make of them. 957 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 3: Month It's rude, isn't it. 958 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 2: Put my hands up and I'll do it. I'll do it. 959 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 2: I'll take one for the team. 960 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 3: But you know, kids, unfortunately don't stay kids forever. One 961 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 3: day they're going to be adults and you and your 962 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 3: partner are gonna be able to like clock all the 963 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 3: points and do all of the overseas trips and you'll 964 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 3: be able to tell your kids, oh, we just flew 965 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 3: flows class to Europe again. It's going to be iconic. Yeah, 966 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 3: I love that. 967 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: All right. 968 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 3: Tell me about personal insurance, because you did say that 969 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 3: you review your insurance annually, how you set up to 970 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 3: protect yourself if something were to happen. 971 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 2: When I'm insurances, I did not mean this type of insurance. 972 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 3: And this was when I gave my score of a 973 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 3: c Cluss's okay coming at yah because I. 974 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: Haven't set those up yet. And I did look at 975 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 2: my superannuation and what I would be entitled to if 976 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 2: something went wrong, and it is very, very minimal. 977 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,919 Speaker 3: It's not nearly enough to cover. 978 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 2: No, no, not even a little bit. And I remember 979 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 2: listening to a money diary recently where they had ghosted 980 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 2: Skywald and that was. 981 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 3: Me, like, I was, oh, you've also ghosted sky Wealth. 982 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 3: Well lucky, this is anonymous. I won't tell Phil if you. 983 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 2: Don't, sorry, I will. I will when I go back 984 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 2: to work, I will go back to that conversation and 985 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: call them back. I'm sure I'll be happy to hear 986 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 2: from me again. 987 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 3: If you would like to feel a little bit better 988 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 3: about this. And this is maybe me admitting something that 989 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 3: I shouldn't, but also sorry relatable. Phil is currently chasing 990 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 3: me to do my insurances and it has gotten to 991 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 3: the point where Phil is messaging my husband and he 992 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 3: says literally word for word, He's like, hey, Steve, I 993 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 3: know Victoria is the problem here. Can we please lock 994 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 3: in a time to update insurances because I obviously have 995 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 3: all my insurances, but since giving birth to Cami. I 996 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 3: haven't updated them again and I really need to, but 997 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 3: it keeps being dropped back down to the bottom of 998 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 3: the list because life right. Yeah, so even I am 999 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 3: currently ghosting the sky wealth. 1000 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah so you know what. 1001 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 3: The one thing that I like about them is no judgment. 1002 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 3: I come back and they say, oh, hey, nice to 1003 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 3: hear from you. Not where have you been? 1004 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1005 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so shout out to them. But also I maybe 1006 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 3: MSc as well at the moment for exactly the same 1007 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 3: reasons my queen. 1008 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 2: Well, glad we can relate on that. 1009 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 3: Tell me, let's move on from that, because I think 1010 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 3: we both have work to do there. Tell me, what 1011 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 3: do you think your best money habit is. 1012 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 2: I think my best money habit is now getting caught 1013 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,720 Speaker 2: up in all the pressure around buying the expensive baby 1014 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 2: things and making those you know, crazy parenting purchases with 1015 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 2: my first child, Like, I definitely bought all the expensive 1016 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 2: clothes and I put him hem in swimming lessons at 1017 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 2: four months of age, thinking that it was going to 1018 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 2: be in for by one or something. 1019 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 3: I think he was in thought by one, wasn't it. 1020 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know why I thought that 1021 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 2: he needed to start swimming at four months. 1022 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 3: But anyway, because Australian culture actually pressures you into starting 1023 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 3: your child four months. That's why, my friend, it has 1024 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 3: nothing to do with you trying to dictate that narrative, 1025 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 3: but rather swimming in Australia it's like a cult. Don't 1026 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 3: get me wrong. I think it's really important for them 1027 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 3: to understand how to swim. But we didn't put Harvey 1028 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 3: into swimming until like what he would have been nearly two. 1029 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 3: And the judgment we got for calling up and being like, hey, 1030 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 3: here's true, we would like to start swimming lessons because 1031 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 3: it was the only time that we had so like 1032 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 3: I got pregnant with Cammi and my husband said, when 1033 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 3: you go on maternity leave with Cammi, he'll be off too, 1034 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 3: so that's when we can start swimming lessons. And like, 1035 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 3: our life just wasn't built to find that time during 1036 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 3: the week. And as you would know, kids, swimming lessons 1037 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 3: are during work hours. They're not like practical times for me. Anyway, 1038 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 3: that's fine. The judgment we got they were like, so 1039 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 3: what swim class is he transferring from? And I was like, 1040 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 3: oh no, we've never done it. And they're like never 1041 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 3: done it, and I was like, WHOA, Okay, I didn't 1042 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 3: expect this. Swimming in Australia is a cult. Yes, it's 1043 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 3: important that they learn this skill, but I promise you 1044 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 3: they don't need it at four months. 1045 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 2: They do not need it at four months. And I 1046 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 2: feel sorry recently saying that my son was doing something lessons. 1047 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 2: At second time round, I've learned my lessons. Facebook Marketplace 1048 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,520 Speaker 2: has become my best friends. 1049 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 3: So how good is it? I just bought a new 1050 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: cot on it and it was like less than a 1051 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 3: quarter of the price of what it was brand new. 1052 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 2: Yes, my daughter doesn't wear any country road or sea jumpers. 1053 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 2: I've been able to borrow all the big ticket items 1054 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 2: from friends, so thank you rich friends, Like I've got 1055 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 2: the cot, the pram, the that's mat all from iconic Adore. Yes, 1056 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 2: and I think I spent like three hundred dollars on 1057 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 2: my son's first birthday cake. 1058 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,879 Speaker 3: Three hundred dollars that is a lot on a first 1059 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 3: birthday cake. But again no judgment, probably elite. 1060 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,479 Speaker 2: Look it tasted really good and it looks really good. 1061 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 2: But this time around, I've been looking at TikTok videos 1062 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 2: and the worst mid caakep yep, iconic, that's actually genie. 1063 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: It'll beish I have. 1064 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 3: Actually, this is I think a money win for our household. 1065 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 3: I told my husband you are always going to be 1066 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 3: in charge of our children's cakes because two things are 1067 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 3: going to happen there. One, we're not going to buy cakes, 1068 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 3: so money win. But two, if they look terrible, I 1069 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 3: can be like, oh, isn't it so wholesome? My husband 1070 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,919 Speaker 3: does it, Whereas if it was me that was making 1071 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 3: it and it didn't look good, i'd, you know, kind 1072 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 3: of probably run to the shops and get a replacement. 1073 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 3: So I think it's this genius honestly stacks, it's a 1074 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,320 Speaker 3: convenience tacks. It is, oh my goodness. 1075 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 2: All right. 1076 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 3: On the flip side, what's your worst money habit? 1077 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 2: This is going to sound really niche, but I just 1078 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 2: love buying a six hundred mele coke zero from petrol station, 1079 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 2: even though it is five dollars eighty and I know 1080 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 2: that I just glad it. Yeah, I just spent fifteen minutes. 1081 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 2: I could get a ninety four cent can at horror, 1082 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 2: But no, it's. 1083 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 3: Just not the same. 1084 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 2: It's not the same. 1085 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 3: I'm a diet coke girly and like in my head, 1086 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 3: there's a hierarchy of coke, right, So like I think 1087 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 3: you're crazy because I hate cokesy. I can tell the difference. 1088 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 3: Like diet coke is to me, the elite diet coke 1089 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 3: in two liter bottles. To me, that's like drinking like 1090 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 3: ikin it to milk that's uht milk, Like that's maybe 1091 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 3: powdered milk. Coke in a can that's like pretty fresh. 1092 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,399 Speaker 3: But coke in these little skinny cans, the tiny little 1093 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 3: skinny cans, that's fresh, that's straight from the cow, Like 1094 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 3: that is elite level crispy. 1095 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think you're actually the normal one because I 1096 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 2: recently learnch that diet coke was created for women and 1097 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 2: coke zero with like more for the men. 1098 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know this was a thing. 1099 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 2: It's a thing. 1100 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,399 Speaker 3: I think it's just the preservative or like the fake 1101 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,320 Speaker 3: sugar in it. Like I feel like to me and 1102 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 3: everybody at work, things, I'm insane. They're not wrong, but 1103 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 3: it's not about the coke. I think coke zero has 1104 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 3: a terrible after taste that I can taste for ages, 1105 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 3: and diet coke does not. So the drinking experience for 1106 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 3: me exactly the same, but the after taste. I can't 1107 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,479 Speaker 3: deal with coat ziero after taste? 1108 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:02,880 Speaker 1: What is that? 1109 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 3: Why would you want that? 1110 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 2: Well, don't come at me. But apparently the diet coke, 1111 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 2: the term diet makes it more appealing for women, and 1112 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 2: the flavor of coat zero is more appealing for men. 1113 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I'm still inherently toxic when I'm trying 1114 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,600 Speaker 3: not to be. I love it. 1115 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 2: I love that for me. 1116 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 3: Let's leave that there. Money Diarist, at the start of 1117 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 3: the show, you said, I reckon, I've seen minus. You've 1118 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 3: been through so much. You have been through the absolute 1119 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 3: ringer like and we've had a really long chat and 1120 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for it. But like, you've seen money 1121 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 3: at both extremes, very wealthy and then not even scraping 1122 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 3: by having the gaps cut off and being loaded up 1123 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 3: with that as a child, which feels even heavier, but 1124 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 3: then canceling a wedding and then meeting the love of 1125 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 3: your life and having two babies, like my queen, you 1126 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 3: have a mortgage, you have a house. You seem to 1127 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 3: be the type of person that is grateful for what 1128 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 3: you already have at home, and that is really hard 1129 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 3: to achieve. Do you really think that the person I've 1130 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 3: just done a whole, nearly hours long money diary with 1131 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 3: is a C minus? Like, is that really what that 1132 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 3: person is? I know she hasn't got her personal insurances sorted, 1133 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 3: but like, that's not like that many grades. 1134 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we're going to stick with that. I'm stilling 1135 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 2: my learning. 1136 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 3: And growing bathe and I love it. You can keep it. 1137 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 2: I'll come back to you when it's an age. 1138 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,800 Speaker 3: I might not agree with you, but that is okay. 1139 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 3: I just think you're doing so well, and I'm so 1140 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,239 Speaker 3: proud of you. And I'm really grateful to your friend 1141 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,320 Speaker 3: who introduced you to the She's on the Money community, 1142 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,959 Speaker 3: because now I feel like I have another friend. 1143 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, No, thank you so much, 1144 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 2: and thank you for this community, because yeah, I'd be 1145 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 2: in a much worse opposition if I hadn't discovered this 1146 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 2: potaut I'm obsessed. 1147 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing your story. It was genuinely such 1148 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 3: a privilege. 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