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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back. Oh hello, Hello to another episode of

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Speaker 1: felously Failing. To another episode of Fearlessly with Lola Berry

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Speaker 1: with Lola Berry and Matt Sofo. And are you just

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Speaker 1: going to copy everything I say? Are you just going

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Speaker 1: to copy everything I say? Remember that was a game

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Speaker 1: when we were at school. Ah? Yeah, that was annoying.

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Speaker 1: Why do kids do that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I feel like I could nail

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Speaker 2: it with your You like to annoy.

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Speaker 1: Me because you like to annoy me? Fuck you fucker?

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Speaker 1: Wow Wow, better be careful. Can we just have a

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Speaker 1: moment to talk about my recording outfit today? Yes? Do

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Speaker 1: you want to do it? Do you want to describe it?

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Speaker 1: I feel like you should. Well, it's today is Halloween

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Speaker 1: thirty first, thirty first Hotta that we are recording and

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Speaker 1: this app will come out on November first, tomorrow, tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: And you are wearing an absolute mish mash of Halloween clothes,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, you're wearing orange socks with bats on them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the one one big bat, one big ferry bat.

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Speaker 1: And then you're you're wearing black tights with how Alloween

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Speaker 1: spooky stuff and ghosts on them. That's right, It's very funny.

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Speaker 1: It's Halloween boys. And you're in slides as well, socks

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Speaker 1: and slides because I don't like my socks to get dirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: our house is very dirty today. It's just dusty, it's

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Speaker 1: not dirty.

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Speaker 2: We're doing influencer pack, so there's kind of like I'm

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Speaker 2: making these smudgsticks. So there's like flowers everywhere and off

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Speaker 2: carts of white sage.

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Speaker 1: It's just a bit. It's a bit for long. They're

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Speaker 1: looking very good and who So these are getting sent

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Speaker 1: out this week to.

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Speaker 2: Influencers, but I'm also going to do a giveaway and

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Speaker 2: give one to a lucky.

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Speaker 1: Listener and in STA follower.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to think of a comp but I

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Speaker 2: think I'm going to post it, might post it tonight

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Speaker 2: when this EPP comes out, but yeah, it'll just be

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Speaker 2: like a photo on Insta of it and then best answer,

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Speaker 2: we'll get sent an influencer pack, just like an influencer.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, a good idea. Do I get one? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one if you'd like one? Would you

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Speaker 1: like one? Maybe just keep one for us? We can

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Speaker 1: burn it. We can burn. I've made one for our friend,

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Speaker 1: our friends Andy and Sam. Oh, that's beautiful. Around the corner,

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Speaker 1: around the corner, the neighbors. The Woods Boys, the Woods Boys.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this episode today is proudly sponsored No,

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Speaker 1: I'm joking. Is it sponsored by? I was just going

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Speaker 1: to do a funny pre record. Do we want it

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Speaker 1: to be sponsored by? Sponsored by Tesla? Honda? I'd love

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Speaker 1: a Tesla, love a new Honda. Well, we've got a

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Speaker 1: brand new Honda top months old. Now, okay, i'd like it.

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Speaker 1: What about Corn to Sea always free fly? That would

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Speaker 1: be nice. What are the ones you know i'd love like?

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Speaker 1: Sponsor by like Saint Laurent.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, Rolex, I can't get one.

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Speaker 2: The wait list of six years learned I was in America.

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Speaker 2: I've always wanted one.

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Speaker 1: Saint Laurent sponsored by Saint Laurent.

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Speaker 2: Men and women fashion cover both, although it's all about

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Speaker 2: non binary right now. Boys, So we should just get

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Speaker 2: a mishmash of each and just do clothes.

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Speaker 1: You and I I feel like I would rock the

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Speaker 1: boys pretty sure. A lot of saying that Roe is unisex. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: a men's wallet from there. I know. It's very very nice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I think I'm probably true for something. Chrissy

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Speaker 1: Crimbo Crimbo, that's another your boganisms. That's another episode. Yeah

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Speaker 1: all right, so yes, no, there are no sponsors this episode,

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Speaker 1: but the whole point of this episode is about your

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Speaker 1: brand new book. What are the words that you think

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Speaker 1: that I say super bogain? So you say that real version,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when I was in America and hanging out

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Speaker 2: Can we have one quick again? I'm totally off topic again,

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Speaker 2: but I think we've got to keep the candle chatter,

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Speaker 2: you know. I think it's normal. I did my monologue

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Speaker 1: And you actually laughed like I got some laughs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm gonna after now that the audiobook has

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Speaker 2: dialect coach has been helping me with the audiobook, and

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Speaker 2: So I wanted like, the hair is long, it is flowing,

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Speaker 1: Oh God that she says God? What does she says? Like?

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Speaker 2: It's like God gave the God gave the fatties big

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Speaker 1: The energy. It's just like the city that never sleeps.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Anyway, better slip me and ambient do that

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Speaker 1: We's going to keep chatting. Oh, sorry for keeping it

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Speaker 1: ala match a chill normal normal. No, So this episode

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Speaker 1: is about your book. Correct? It is officially out today

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Speaker 1: to day first of no member. Yes, but people have

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Speaker 1: been getting their pre orders already and a few stores

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Speaker 1: have already got their liveries of stock. Too. Interesting thing

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Speaker 2: Basically, bookstock arrives in bookstores on Tuesdays, So last Tuesday

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Speaker 2: started to dribble into bookstores, which was October twenty six by.

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Speaker 1: Time they unpack it.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I didn't want to call it an October

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Speaker 2: twenty six release. For a few reasons. One, we didn't

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Speaker 2: Alboum was in a very heavy lockdown, and so we

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Speaker 2: all the publishers, my amazing publicist Jane, we all decided,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's let's stick to a November one release.

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Speaker 2: So we have now it's had plenty of time to

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Speaker 2: get into bookstores, so it should be fully readily available.

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Speaker 1: Available, and let's go on to an adventure and find

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Speaker 1: some books. Yeah, you and I got it. Good luck,

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Speaker 1: good luck, it's good luck, like text some photos. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing there, doodling during dicks in your.

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Speaker 1: I know, but you're drawing dicks. You're drawing penises, dicks

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Speaker 1: in your diary. The funniest when you go into a

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Speaker 1: describing like you didn't want to do something. You were like,

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Speaker 1: a fetish. Yeah it is. It's a very small fetish,

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Speaker 1: but some some guys definitely like it up there pepe hole. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I am merely a an appreciator and admirer of the

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Speaker 1: It's look, I don't spend much time on the ninety

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Speaker 2: Because when I'm enjoying that area, I focus more on

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Speaker 1: They just got to enjoy the whole thing, must But yes, look,

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Speaker 1: And what did you say the other night? I can't

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Speaker 1: remember fully, but I was like, I'd rather take something

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Speaker 1: dick hole. But yes, there is a subgenre of people

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Speaker 2: You know so much about these kind of topics. I

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Speaker 2: feel like we need to do a sex podcast. You

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Speaker 2: and I just like one one episode where I.

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Speaker 1: Ask you sex questions. Yeah, I feel like if I

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Speaker 1: would probably do maybe like a psychology slash sex something.

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Speaker 2: In case you haven't figured out Boss is a highly

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Speaker 2: sexual being, are you not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? But no, no, let's let's also define that. I'm

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Speaker 1: also like passionate about the subject because I think, honestly

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Speaker 1: like we were very underprepared and uneducated growing up. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: that doesn't prepare you for fucking shit. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had conversations with girls that don't even understand their

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Speaker 1: own cycle, and I'm like, how how do I know

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Speaker 2: We pitched and got Pam McMillan and I was with

430
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Speaker 2: them for ten years. So like nine of my ten

431
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: books up until this time data with Pamic Millen. And

432
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Speaker 2: then this is with a firm, another Melbourne publisher.

433
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Speaker 1: But they came to me.

434
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: And so that's why it's hard to be like, yeah,

435
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: just sit and wait for the call. You cur'tently say that.

436
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Speaker 1: No.

437
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: So but if I was giving advice, because I do

438
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Speaker 2: a lot of as you know, I've done a lot

439
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: of coaching. Right before COVID in Melbourne, and usually I

440
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: would tell people publish it yourself. Do it yourself, because

441
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: it's quite a long process. It's a lengthy process. You

442
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: make royalties, very similar to the music world. So this

443
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: is when you go with the big public down the

444
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: publishing route versus if you do it yourself. Yes you're

445
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: throwing in your own cash, but you're taking one hundred

446
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: percent of their income and you get to control when

447
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: it comes out. You get to control the front cover,

448
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: you get to control the edit, like when you sign

449
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: to a publishing house. In fact, I prefer to be

450
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: with a publishing house. I love it and I feel

451
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: very lucky to be signed to this publisher. You know,

452
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: they do the cover shoot, they organize the design team,

453
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: they edited and although I did bring on my own

454
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: editor for this particular book, and I bought on my

455
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: own publicist for this particular book, and I requested Max

456
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: May to do hair and makeup.

457
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Speaker 1: So I've learned.

458
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Speaker 2: I've learned as I've got older, that you can ask

459
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: for what.

460
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: You really want and the team that you want to

461
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: work with. I've used to be very afraid of that

462
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: when I was a bit younger. Yeah yeah, yeah, well

463
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: someone else has actually asked that, like, how long does

464
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: it take to make a book? Yeah? How long does

465
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: it take?

466
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: Usually it's twelve months, but this was longer because of COVID.

467
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Speaker 2: So usually you sign your contract, you negotiate a contract

468
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 2: for normally like a week or two. I think for

469
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: me it was a bit longer because I did go, okay,

470
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Speaker 2: now I want Max doing hair and makeup. I actually

471
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: had to negotiate for my face to be on the

472
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: front cover, which is really you remember that was like

473
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: scary and like you'd be sitting in meetings being like,

474
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Speaker 2: this is my calling card. I want to be on

475
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Speaker 2: the front cover. And you know you sound like a

476
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: well I thought I sounded like a dick or a

477
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: bit of a whan card.

478
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Speaker 1: But I was like, no, no, no, Like to explain, traditionally,

479
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: on self help books, they it's more about the title

480
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: and the description of the book. It's not as much

481
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: about the author. Is that correct? Correct?

482
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: And like if you think of like even Sarah Wilson's

483
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: written self help more style books about her journey with

484
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: anxiety and whatnot, and I think it's got octopus on

485
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: the front cover something it's not her. I totally understand

486
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: and respect that, but this is also half memoir, and

487
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: memoirs usually will have the author.

488
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Author on the face, Yeah, on the front. Sorry, yeah cool.

489
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: All right, So generally about a year is what you're saying,

490
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: is kind of the process. Yeah, from signing of contract contract. Yeah, okay,

491
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: all right, that's a long time, isn't it. It's a

492
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: long time to work on something and then not actually

493
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: see it like finished.

494
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: A lot of authors, myself included, we often will say

495
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: it's like having a baby, even though I've never had

496
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: a baby, but like if there's quite a long gestation.

497
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Speaker 1: Period, yeah, you're like an elephant gest dating. Yeah. How

498
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: long do they just state for praggers for a year?

499
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: I think it's more than humans. Yeah it is. Yeah,

500
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: we should fact check that, but it is pretty sure

501
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: it's more than nine months. Totally. No, No, it definitely is.

502
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: I remember because I think Happy Place took a year,

503
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: and my business partner was like, that's an hour.

504
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: We've just born a baby elephant. All right, next question,

505
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: and this is a funny one, but I'm sure people

506
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: probably do think this. I like funny ones. Did you

507
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: write it? Yes? I did, I did, I wrote it all.

508
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: But you know, what's really interesting coming from the recipe

509
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: and health writing world.

510
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: I was a rarely where I did write everything. I

511
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: wrote the entire manuscript. I wrote the recipes.

512
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: I'd then send them away to get tested, of course,

513
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: but they were always my ideas and recipes.

514
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: That's apparently rare. Like a lot of cookbook authors and

515
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: shares right there, they employ someone to write their writers.

516
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: So it's not uncommon that authors or published authors do

517
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: have writers or co writers.

518
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Super common, and ghostwriters, So ghost writers, I'm sure this

519
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: is no secret. But my mate Lisal Jones Chicken, she's

520
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: got an amazing book called Body Links, which I actually

521
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: quote in this book, and she had a ghostwriter, so

522
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: they had like three or four boozy lunches together.

523
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: She tell her all their stories.

524
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: And everything she wanted to be in the book, and

525
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: the writer would go and write it together.

526
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Yea yeah.

527
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: And then and a lot of she's had a lot

528
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: of voice memos and a lot of emails like hey,

529
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: when you know you when you went through this thing

530
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: in Sarah Leone, how.

531
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Speaker 1: Did it go down? And her basically it's her stories

532
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: that this girl's just reworded correct into a readable format. Correct,

533
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: But she's not making anything up.

534
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no, but it's she's not

535
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: physically written it. But and that's super common, I imagine.

536
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: I think that's reasonably common with autobiography.

537
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think there's a

538
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: question about this, but I will ask it anyway. You

539
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: had an editor, yes, so explain to me what an

540
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: editor's that's because they fix more than just your spelling

541
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: and your punctuation.

542
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: Yes, So it goes through quite a like before you

543
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: see your book, there's been quite a lot of eyes

544
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: on it, probably more like I'm going to throw like

545
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: twelve out there. Probably, Like, so, you're gonna have the

546
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: owner of the publishing company read it. In my case,

547
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: you're going to have your publisher read it. You're going

548
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: to have a proofreader read it. You're obviously going to

549
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: have your editor. So in this case, I bought an

550
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: editor on board. Shout out to Simon, you're amazing, because

551
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: we had worked together on seven of my past books,

552
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: and he's British, so he's got this beautiful dry wit

553
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: and he was really able to I was really afraid

554
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: of this sounding like a very feminine and hippie wo

555
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: woo spiritual.

556
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Self help book.

557
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we are seeing next to bunches of smuge

558
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: six right here. But my tone is reasonably direct, tough, love,

559
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: no bullshit, and reasonably masculine, one might say so. Initially

560
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: I was paired up with a much more feminine editor,

561
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: and their writing was beautiful, just wasn't me.

562
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: It just wasn't my style. Whereas Simon is, he's got

563
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: that kind of like no bs.

564
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: And you and I are reading a boouse. We've been

565
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: going through the audio book. We were reading a bit

566
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: and I.

567
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Said, I I love he.

568
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Uses this line that I don't use in my vernacular,

569
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: but I love it because he knows it fits with

570
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: my language. He goes, now here's the kicker, which I

571
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: don't usually.

572
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Use, but I would like. I was like, I'm going

573
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: to use it in my own vocabulary. So an editor, basically.

574
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: They will tidy up your whole book. That will restructure.

575
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: So all the chapters were written. I delivered close to

576
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand words. This book is not that this

577
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: book would be sitting probably around sixty or seventy thousand.

578
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: So he'll cut out all the junk, and there's a

579
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: lot of doubling up. You'll tell a story and not

580
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: realize two months down this track that that story you

581
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: already wrote.

582
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Chapters to separate chapters.

583
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Bet the story will be relevant for both, and so

584
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: he'll read it and be like, oh no, no, that

585
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: sits better in success not fear cha. And so he's

586
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: really good as well because he's not attached to it.

587
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: So I, for example, in the Love and Heartbreak chapter,

588
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: I said to him, I go, this feels a bit

589
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: too much like verbal diary and like I'm airing my

590
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: dirty laundry.

591
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: And I said I really don't want that, and he.

592
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: Was like, got it. And so he was really good.

593
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: He was like, hey, this feels personal. Let's just like

594
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 2: either make it less personal and less specific, or do

595
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: you think this needs to be here? And there were

596
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: a lot that him and I kept in that. Then

597
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: the publishers were like, no, no, that's got to go.

598
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: That's got to go, and to the point that I

599
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: like bit back quite a lot. I would be like, no, no,

600
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: this one can go, but this one has to stay.

601
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: And Simon was really really good at keeping so much

602
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: in it, and the end was really hard for me.

603
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: I was very attached to it, and it was right

604
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: at the very end of delivery, I was in LA

605
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: and Simon wrote me the most beautiful email that I

606
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: really got teary over, and he said, hand on my heart,

607
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: this is a beautiful book, and he said, let's let

608
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: it fly. And it was him that kind of really

609
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: helped me let go of it because my trust was

610
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: in him, because we'd work together very solidly for.

611
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Like four months. So to summarize that answer, because it

612
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: was a bit long winded, they basically restructure your writing

613
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: and cut the fat. Yeah yeah, yeah, cool, you gave

614
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: a very long one. Yeah, but people would want to

615
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: know like it's a full career. Yah, totally, yeah, it is,

616
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: and it's a very important thing. I didn't I wouldn't

617
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: even realize that that was a whole job. I would

618
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: just think that you'd just write it and then the

619
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: would just print your words. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no

620
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: no no no. You tell me off that even my

621
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Speaker 1: emails are badly written.

622
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: Well, I guess, like I'm not naturally academic at all,

623
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: but I am a writer. Yeah, so I understand, like

624
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: I always said, a mat just read it out loud.

625
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, I come from the school of every email should

626
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: be one sentence. Get straight to the point. Oh I

627
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: love that fuck around? No love nothing you can't know

628
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: answer in one sentence? Ah right? What else? What else?

629
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: Another question that came in how do you cope if

630
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: you get writer's block? Cool questions.

631
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Speaker 2: So I wrote a lot of this book in Turkey,

632
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: and then I wrote all the editing I did in

633
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: La So it first of all, like your location has

634
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: a lot to do with how well you write. I

635
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: think so in Turquie I felt very creative because I

636
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: was so connected to mother nature. We were walking on

637
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: the beach every morning. We were also in lockdown, so

638
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: I was able to kind of like build a little routine.

639
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: The thing that was really hard when I wrote this

640
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: book was I was also in full time study the

641
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: whole time to remember.

642
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was hard. But as far as.

643
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: Like writer's block, you'll know my advices. Do you know

644
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: what I did when I got Writer's book? We ate snacks, chocolate, chocolate.

645
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I think everyone does that to.

646
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Make me martinis. If it was the evening martinis, No, yeah,

647
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: in the evening oh here yeah yeah. Not in talkie though,

648
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: and we were on the red Wine were.

649
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: That I was saying to Bossy that was the most

650
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: like indulgent, I reckon, I lived, I think I think

651
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: everybody was that first lockdown? Yeah okay, yeah, So what

652
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 2: was the summary of that? Because I missed it.

653
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: So my advice is, well, I like chocolate. How'd you

654
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: change a channel? Though? How do you change a channel?

655
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Usually like get out to nature? Yeah, get out to nature.

656
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: I love to watch a movie because I like watching

657
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: people who are living their passion, you know, like an

658
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: actor acting.

659
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: So will you just put it to the side and

660
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: not think about it or will you go into a

661
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: different environment and think about it in a different space. No,

662
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: just change the channel, change and not think about it,

663
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: put it to the side, clear mind, and then come

664
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: back to it with like just fresh, a fresh perspective.

665
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer in Butcher's Paper. Do you

666
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: remember it talking?

667
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: I'd always get Butcher's Paper out and like I do

668
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: the write the topic or the chapter in the middle

669
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 2: of this paper, and then I do spokes coming out

670
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: of the paper with like what I wanted to cover

671
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: and the stories that mauch that chapter.

672
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: Ah, right, it's very good, boss. Why what was the

673
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: decision to change the direction from your previous books? Oh? Cool?

674
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: I should have asked this earlier, but I thought it

675
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: was a good little segue. Oh no, I go for it. Okay.

676
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: So the first books were all health and wellness based,

677
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: heavily recipe, and then I kind of like, move more

678
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: into yogues.

679
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: But my yoga books didn't sell very.

680
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: Well, so I didn't give up writing by choice. I

681
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: didn't get off of another book deal when two of

682
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: my books didn't sell well. Basically, that's how it went down.

683
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: And I had a great relationship with my publishers, but

684
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: it was an oversaturated genre and I didn't want to

685
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: just keep doing the same thing that everyone else was

686
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: doing either. So I was moving more into yogues, but

687
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: yogs wasn't selling basically, and then I thought, oh, well,

688
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: like maybe ten books, you're done.

689
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Like that's a lot of books. I'm happy with that.

690
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: You know.

691
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: I didn't really think i'd write again, or at least

692
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: not for a long time.

693
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Probably also didn't think you'd write ten books. No god, no, no, no,

694
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: no no, and yeah, and then when this came up,

695
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I thought it. Oh, I was like, I don't really

696
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: want to do recipe again. And that's when my publisher

697
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, we want personal development.

698
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: We want it to be based on the podcast, and

699
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: we want it to be you. And I was like, ah,

700
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: memoir personal development, sign me up. That feels like me

701
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: and like being in my mid thirties. Now we've both

702
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: just turned thirty six, Like I think, oh, well, imagine

703
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: if a twenty year old picked this up and it

704
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: might inspire them. But my other goal is I want

705
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: from like late teens all the way up to like

706
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: seventy to be able to go, oh, I just took

707
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: something from that older You.

708
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Know, this would be a great book for a young

709
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: a younger age group to read as well well.

710
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: Because it's all the lessons I've learned in my twenties

711
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: basically and early thirties, but it's the mistakes and trips

712
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: that I've.

713
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Made totally, totally. That's cool. That's really cool. All Right,

714
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: someone's sensing a fun question photo shoot? Yeah, how did

715
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: that go down? And who was at your photo shoot? Oh?

716
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: This is fun.

717
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So the photo shoot was going to happen in

718
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: Byron Bay, but it didn't kind of the stars in

719
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: the line, we couldn't get the right photographer, right team.

720
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 2: So we were able to get an amazing photographer in Sydney,

721
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: and so it was shot at Sun Studios, which is

722
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: one of the famous big studios in Sydney. And the

723
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: photographer beautiful his name is Peter, and then Max was

724
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: there doing hair and makeup, Max May, and he bought

725
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: his wonderful dog, Frank along, and then I had my publisher, Cali,

726
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: and then I had Haley who was at the time

727
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: kind of like my manager of the digital team that

728
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: looks after me. And Haley has since left, but I've

729
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: been dming and I'm sending her a copy of the

730
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: book tomorrow. Actually, So yeah, I just that was it,

731
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: I think. And then Jane rocked up as with Mate,

732
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: her French bulldog, who wasn't about Frank by the way,

733
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: so Jane was like, okay, yeah, So I actually Jane

734
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: came along right towards the end, and then I went

735
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: out for like a celebratory lunch with Jane and we

736
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: had for.

737
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Laffalls beautiful And on the day that like was the photoshoot, Like,

738
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: were on the day deciding what you were doing or

739
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: was there like a mood board or decision before that

740
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: you were going to do this kind of style and

741
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: set up and it.

742
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: Was all yeah, it was planned to every shot was planned,

743
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: and I.

744
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: That a discussion between photographer, publisher.

745
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: No publisher and me, no publisher and me, and then

746
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: from that, once we got that across the board, then

747
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: basically you kind of like just show the photographer and

748
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, we can do that, and then you

749
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: show her on my and he's like, yeah, we can

750
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: do that. And then basically we shot against a pink background,

751
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: which is what the cover looks like, but also we

752
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: shot and wearing a green top, and then we also

753
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: shot against a yellow background wearing a blue top. The

754
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: shoot was quick, honestly, like I think call time was

755
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: like I don't know, eight seven or eight.

756
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I think we were done by like one. Yeah, so good,

757
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: very cool, very quick. All right, last couple of questions, Oh,

758
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: how we're doing for I think we've been going for

759
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: about forty minutes. Yeah, no, that's not too bad. Yeah, noise.

760
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll wrap it up soon. We've just finished

761
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: the audio book. Oh my my god. That was full

762
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: on so fall on. It's a big process, so fun.

763
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: But how many hours, honestly do you think we spent? Honestly,

764
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. We recorded for

765
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen hours, way more than that. It was

766
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: ten days. Yeah, but we were doing some days two hours.

767
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: Because if there was like a whipper snipper or like

768
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: you could hear kids playing, you'd have to just like

769
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: put the tools down. But I reckon it'd been way

770
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: more than fifteen, way more. I reckon like thirty.

771
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I don't know full on, I guess so frustrated,

772
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: don't I If my stuff it like you did, great.

773
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: If I stuff a lineup like I've just opened a

774
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: line and a book here, and it's like the positive

775
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: stuff makes sense, I starty acting to improve the skill

776
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: set I want to build. I get that, But why

777
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: do I eat the vegan chop chip cookie at the

778
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: checkout when I want to buy broccoli and blueberries at

779
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: the supermarket? And if I drop one word yeah, read

780
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: it on an and then I keep propping the same word. Yeah.

781
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I know. So someone's asked a question about an audiobook.

782
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: Is the audio book the same publishers or is it

783
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: independently published?

784
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: I feel like you would know how to so full disclosure.

785
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: Boss actually recorded the audio for me. Basically they looked

786
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: at me doing it in LA because I had a

787
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: lot of trouble getting a flight home, and so we

788
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: thought maybe I'll be staying in Port and it was

789
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: really expensive, so they were like that's out. And then

790
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: they found a place in Brisbane, but the borders are shut,

791
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: and then we looked at Sydney, but then it's quite

792
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: expensive for a calm and flights blah blah blah. So Bosco. Yes,

793
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: so if you're in Byron Bay, you need a book done.

794
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Although I feel like too much word fu.

795
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless I want to hang out with you for

796
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: thirty hours. Yeah, I know wants someone in my house

797
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: that anyway. So no, So a book publisher publishers books,

798
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: and then what they do is is they approach audiobook

799
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: companies like I think Audible. I think yours is published

800
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: by another one WF Howse or something like that. There's

801
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I think four or five in Australia. I think the

802
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: I think there's four or five big companies that. Yeah,

803
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: the one that you're doing is like a UK company,

804
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: it's a global company. Yeah. So they they kind of

805
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: put it out to like three or four audiobook companies

806
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and then they kind of bid on your book also.

807
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: To be honest, we had to record an audition demo

808
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: to yeah, of course, yeah, so that they'll send that

809
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: out to audiobook companies, and then audiobook companies will be like, yeah,

810
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: we want to publish that, and we'll pay for that.

811
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: And then they will basically pay for the recording and

812
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: pay for the artists and pay for the editing and

813
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: all that kind of business. But they would make money

814
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: off that, and then there would be some sort of

815
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: split between you, like royalty. Yeah, then yeah, there would

816
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: be like maybe if they get fifty percent, and then

817
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: you'd probably get twenty five percent and your publisher, your

818
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: book publisher, would probably get twenty five percent plus. I

819
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: don't I actually don't know. There's no way that I

820
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: begin to beginning like anyway, I don't know how it works,

821
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: but basically that that's how it is. So they pitch

822
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: out to independent audiobook companies, so no audiobook like actual

823
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: book publishers don't publish audiobooks. They're separate companies.

824
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: So that was a really long winded I'm going to

825
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: summarize that. I just wanted to give you a taste

826
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: of your own medicine.

827
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: When will it be released? Do you know the answer?

828
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I know, we have to deliver it by

829
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the sixteenth and November, so I think.

830
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 2: Hang on, doesn't it get delivered tomorrow? Then they've got

831
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: a week or so to do edit requests, and then

832
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: we do edits and then the sixteenth it's all done and.

833
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, what day Tuesday which is the

834
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: second and then they've gotten till the eighth to let

835
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: me know if anything needs fixing, and then I've gotten

836
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: till the sixteenth to fix it and then redeliver it,

837
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm sure it's probably going to get published

838
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: pretty quickly after that. How do you deliver such big

839
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: files like dropbox? Yeah? Drop box we transfer? Yeah, got it? Cool? Yeah?

840
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: When is an audiobook out? I already asked that. Okay,

841
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: this is the final question of today's or aren't you

842
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: doing in aridgie ditch from yourself? What a rigid did

843
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: question from yourself? No, didn't want to, didn't prepare Well,

844
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I've dropped them in. I have you okay, peppered, and

845
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 1: we talked about weird shit for twenty minutes at the start.

846
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to hear me talk anything else.

847
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: But were there any parts, sorry, were there any parts

848
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: that you were afraid were too personal or deep when

849
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: you were writing them.

850
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: Maybe, but they ended it so like it does get

851
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: a heavy edit. So there were stories that, especially in

852
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: the heartbreak section, that I had to be really careful

853
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: so you can get sued. So I had to you

854
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: have to be super super careful to make sure no

855
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: one is named and that it's general enough that it

856
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: doesn't upset or hurt anybody. Although I think, like having

857
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: just recently recorded the audiobook, it's very kind.

858
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: To people that don't deserve it.

859
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: Well, just it's kind to like I talk about going

860
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: through yucky experiences, but I definitely don't make it mean,

861
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? And so I think

862
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: the first round I was probably a little bit more cutthroat,

863
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: to be honest, and then that all got totally pulled out,

864
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: Like there were some funny stories, but they were so

865
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: specific that the person would have known it's about them,

866
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: and you have to pull that out.

867
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, and even if you don't mention their name, the

868
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: publishers are like, we still could get suito this. Yes,

869
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: so you've got to be super careful.

870
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: So we had to pull heaps out that was too

871
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: personal basically, but the lessons are still there. The lessons

872
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: are one hundred percent still in there, and as a result,

873
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: I actually had to own a lot of my own shit,

874
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: because like, I can't call someone else a narcissist without

875
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: understanding what that feels like for me. And so as

876
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: a result, I actually shared stories of when I really

877
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: fucked up and when I was really an arciss because like,

878
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: there's stories about me, so I'm not going to do it.

879
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me being in there. And so it

880
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: probably was a good thing because at thought, it really

881
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: forced me to own a lot more and take a

882
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: lot more responsibility for all of those experiences that were

883
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: more uncomfortable. But yeah, there's a lot of deep stuff.

884
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot about you in there as well.

885
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: And thank you for dedicating the book to me, boss.

886
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: Tell let's share it to the audience. That was the

887
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: hardest secret to Creed.

888
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: Well, when the books were delivered, what two weeks ago

889
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: or a week you go, yeah, you were like, quick,

890
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: have a look through, and you're filming me, so I

891
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: knew there was something that you show me. I was like,

892
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: hear we fucking I was like, God, damn, there's going

893
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: to be a chapter about me or something. And you

894
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: dedicated to me, which is very sweet, very kind of you.

895
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: Thank you boss. Did you feel the emotion I did?

896
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: I felt it in the depths of my cold heart.

897
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: Do you not have a cold heart? You're the opposite

898
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: of a cold heart.

899
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: Can I ask, now that you've listened to the audiobook

900
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: and being part of it, what's your favorite chapter?

901
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh? What is my favorite chapter? Do you know what

902
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: I think? For me getting to the end of it

903
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: when it's the writer, let's do it, like, let's do it? Oh,

904
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: you like the g up at the end? Yeah, I

905
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: really like the g up at the end where it's

906
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of reading through it, you're getting

907
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the stories, you're feeling inspired, and then there's that final

908
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: push of the book, which is like fucking go and

909
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: do it, like stop being a little bitch, just.

910
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's like this I'm not reading the bit

911
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: from but just like there's a little bit in that

912
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: right let's do it chapter and it says you need

913
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: to show up and suck before you can show up

914
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: and shine.

915
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: So it's like be messy.

916
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: It up, you know, then then like go up like

917
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: fall fall, and then get up again, get up against

918
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: that right, It's like that real cheerleader.

919
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the book is about.

920
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: And that's why I get while some of the personal

921
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: deep stuff was pulled, because this book is actually about

922
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: like it's for the reader, it's not for me. And

923
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 2: that's one thing I want to say to anyone listening

924
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: to this, like this book wouldn't exist without you the reader.

925
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: And so sure, a book exists because someone writes it

926
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: and someone publishes it and it gets edited and then

927
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: it physically exists, but beyond that point, without a reader,

928
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. So thank you to you the reader,

929
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 2: because yeah, it would, it wouldn't be here at all

930
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: without without you.

931
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: And I really think it is a book that, especially

932
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: the second half of it, you can go back anytime.

933
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: You can go back a hundred times, and even for me,

934
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: like if I was in my own head, it would

935
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: be like great, go read that chapter. Get out of

936
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: your own head again, like give yourself a little pump up,

937
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: give yourself something to Yeah.

938
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Cool, because it is split into part one and part two,

939
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: and so part one kind of like dissects fear, failure, success, heartbreak, grief,

940
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: like all the fields. And then part two is like

941
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: here's your toolkit. Here's your g up, like you've got

942
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: this and it's that real cheerleader, hype girl kind of

943
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: vibe that it gives you.

944
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: And there are personal stories from the podcast too. What's

945
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: your favorite bit?

946
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: For Ages, it's been human behavior and acting because it's

947
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: like it's the lessons I've learned acting school and it's

948
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: no bullshit, Like it's like do the work, get over

949
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: your own ego, Like it's that real, like it's no filter.

950
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: And that's why I think I'm so drawn to quite dramatic,

951
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: quite full on acting schools, like when I say for long,

952
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: but like it's not soft, it's quite straight down the

953
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: line and direct. For Ages, it was that, but then

954
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: as we were reading it, there were moments where I

955
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like Becoming Bulletproof is a really nice chapter.

956
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: It's about like how to build yourself up so that

957
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: you can take the hits and be resilient but hold

958
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: the hope, you know, Like I love that. You know

959
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: the bit where I talk about hunting for the good

960
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: with the US military and resilience, I think, and I'm

961
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: pretty sure that's in Becoming Bulletproof Resilience.

962
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, Boss, I love you very proud. Oh, he's

963
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: wrapping me up. Guys, I am wrapping you up. We've

964
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: been going for like an hour. We have not we

965
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: have no one wants to listen to us for more

966
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: than an hour. Oh I would. I am very very

967
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: proud of you. Congratulations. It is a very big achievement.

968
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Thanks boss. I can't believe I put up with you

969
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: for twelve months while writing that book. Yeah, you did good.

970
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: And we're about to go to Sydney and were with

971
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: it and do some book signings and hopefully do some

972
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: TV if they'll let me in studio.

973
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: And we're going to Melbourne too.

974
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 2: We are going to go to Melbs too, a little

975
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: bit down the track, aren't wait?

976
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Can't?

977
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: What are you excited for for Malbs? We're both from.

978
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be food restaurants. Where else do

979
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: you want to go? Don't know. I'm not super fast.

980
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: Just got to take that out for his birthday. Yeah,

981
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: I think just absorb a little bit of culture. Culture.

982
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: It's weird, but now that I think about it, we

983
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: haven't lived in Melbourne for almost two years. Yeah longer, no,

984
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: longer no, two years? When did we move March last year? Yeah? Okay,

985
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, two years almost tumming up.

986
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: And we'll be having Christmas kind of salvations with our

987
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: family too, because we're staying in Byron for Christmas. For crimbo, crimbo,

988
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: what are you going to make? You'll be making Christmas lunch.

989
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to do like a five hour

990
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: slow cook lamb something I don't know, maybe or ham

991
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: do I feel no, I don't like ham. I feel

992
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: like we need some seafood we're viron Yeah, okay, we

993
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: can do that, like prawnees my b. Yeah, I get

994
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: some prawnies or turkey turkey. Yeah, Turkey is Christmas and

995
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in America. That's one thing upset about my mom's

996
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: food on Christmas last week. And and a traditional topetta

997
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: or something. It's a petta. Talk about it, Well, it's

998
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: a I think it's a very traditional thing from where

999
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: my mom's from, Puya in Pulla and where's your dad

1000
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: from Calabria, Okay, And it's a it's basically you get

1001
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: like bread and as you know, you kind of get

1002
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: two three old day bread and then you soak that

1003
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: in well you in turkey broth, and then you make

1004
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: layers of like bread, turkey and cheese and then you

1005
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: bake it like a lasagna, like a lasagna, but with

1006
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: bread and turkey and cheese cheese. I actually cheated one

1007
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: year on my gluten free and had it. Do you remember? Yeah?

1008
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: How good is it? As a kid? I fucking hate it?

1009
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this like? Luggy cheesy bread?

1010
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: And now you're like, I don't know what. One year

1011
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, and your mom makes me gluten

1012
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: free fruit. Min Sea's boy might have to reconsider Christmas. Oh,

1013
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: he flip flops back. And I don't know what I'm

1014
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: going to cook yet though, but it depends what we

1015
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: actually do on the day. We do need some dessert too,

1016
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: of course we do. You know what I actually really like?

1017
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: What's that? I really like? Trifle? I make it? I

1018
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: don't know either, but we can figure it out. Oh yeah,

1019
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: we're going to have Noli up here, aren't we. Noel

1020
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: Smith's coming up with beautiful cheddar board his dog. So

1021
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: we'll just remember Noli likes a treat. Noli likes pud pudding.

1022
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: We'll have to buy a.

1023
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: Nice organic one, or maybe I'll just get him Actually, no.

1024
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: No, maybe we'll get one in Sydney next week. A

1025
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: nice one. Yeah, direcking that out yet? Yeah, they'd be out. Yeah.

1026
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: Do you know where the good ones are in Sydney?

1027
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: Why are you saying no? Because maybe we could just fight,

1028
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: like there's a bakery. Do you remember your sister got

1029
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: me no last year gluten free? Oh yeah that was

1030
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. That's from Sydney. Yeah. I don't

1031
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: love PANATONI like you do that? Oh I love it, Tana.

1032
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: All December, you're going to have that dipped in coffee.

1033
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: Fucking breakfast, lunch and dinner doesn't matter, right, Chris CHRISO

1034
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: Boss Crimbo. Remember welcome to Crimbo twenty twenty one. Remember

1035
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: all right, Boss, let's wrap it up. I love you,

1036
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: love you. You're great. You're great. I'm very proud of you

1037
00:56:59,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: you too.

1038
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing the audio book and thanks for putting

1039
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: up with me. You deserve the dedication. Oh god, you're amazing.

1040
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: Yes, and you put up with me. I hope you

1041
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: love it. And to you guys listeners, I really hope

1042
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: you love the book. Yeah. Like I said, it wouldn't

1043
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: exist without you, So thank you. Bye boy.

1044
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1045
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

1046
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: on Instagram.

1047
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry.

1048
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

1049
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate

1050
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: and comment and of course spread the love.