1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. As always, You're joined by 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: journalists Kate Amy and Sophie Torber. Coming up on the episode, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: the super Bowl performance that everyone's talking about, Weed Disac 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's new documentary, the Shock Bachelor decision That's caused 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: a race row, and the revival of YouTuber Shani Grimman. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: We're so excited to get into today's episode, and Amy, 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: you have quite an interesting story to tell us about 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: a bit of confusion that happened at the shops today. Yeah. Well, 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: I just went in too quickly pick up some foundation, 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: and I felt so awkward because the lady gave me 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: a really strange look, and she asked me if I 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: needed a pump and I was like, no, no, that's 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: all good, and she kept looking at me really odd, 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh god, have I walked in at 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: my pajamas? Like why is she looking at me? So? Yeah, 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: did I do a Sophie where most shorts inside out anyway? 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: And then she asked me, she said, did you come 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: in yesterday? And I was like no, She said, I 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: swear you did. Us said, well, I'm a triplet. Maybe 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: it was one of my sister and it was it 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: was Kate, and she remembered exactly what color foundation Kate 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: had got. Yeah, I actually dragged Reese in there with me, 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: and I didn't want him to stand near the counter 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: because anyone that shops at Mac knows that the foundations 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: aren't exactly cheap. And he stood there and it was 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: so funny when he heard that they cost fifty four dollars. 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: He was like, oh my god. I nearly died when 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: they said the price. And he's like, how often do 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: you get a new one? I was like, oh. Now, 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: moving on to our first topic, Shakira and j Loo 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: sent the Internet into meltdown with their racy Super Bowl 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: halftime performance. While Shakira got tongues wagging. Literally, it was 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: a massive win for diversity and empowerment and showed a 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: big adjustment to the NFL's PR strategy. Now, Kate, there's 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: a lot more behind this performance that's really interesting. Can 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: you just fill us in to understand the importance of 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: this performance, We've really got to go back to last 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: year's Super Bowl. Now, Maroon five were picked to headline 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: this super Bowl, which was paid in Atlanta. Now, Atlanta 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: is a city in America that has about fifty one 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: percent black and African American people, and it was also 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: central to the civil rights movement in the nineteen sixties, 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: so the decision to pick on all white pop group 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: was very hard for many people to understand. In fact, 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: it actually turned out that there was a petition to 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: get Maroon five not to perform at the Super Bowl. 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: And of course this is all off the back of 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: reports that superstars like Rihanna Usher and Mary J. Blight 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: all passed on the opportunity to actually perform at last 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: year's Super Bowl, And from my understanding, it's due to 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: the fact that there was a lot of thoughts that 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: the NFL are quite racist. These racist allegations began rearing 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: their head in two thousand and six when NFL player 54 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernik decided to kneel during the national anthem. His 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: decision to kneel down was based on him wanting to 56 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: bring attention to the racial inequalities within the US justice system, 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: and he claimed that the issue was bigger than football now. 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: This incident sparked a year long controversy within the NFL, 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: which spilled over into the mainstream, with some people arguing 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: that they were siding with the peaceful protests, while others 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: thought it was like really disrespectful to the military. So 62 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: one important supporter of Kaepernick was of course Jay Z. 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Now it's quite controversial because Jay Z actually surprised fans 64 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: when he entered into a partnership with the NFL officials 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: via his Rock Nation firm, and he was actually appointed 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: the organization's live music entertainment strategists. So this is where 67 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Jalo and Shakira come in. So thanks to jay Z, 68 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: he's actually been able to choose the musical acts that 69 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: are coming through. So obviously this is a huge pr 70 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: stunt for the NFL. I actually think it's a great move. 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: It's very clever of them to bring in jay Z 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: and then of course get the Latino crowd excited with 73 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the likes of j Loo and Shakira, And to be honest, 74 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: I think it's an extremely clever move for the NFL. 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how much has everybody been talking about it today? Yeah, 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: I totally agree, And I think what is most important 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: is the fact that the NFL has actually looked at 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: the audience that is in the city that they're performing in. 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: So the Super Bowl was held in Miami and now 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Miami has a seventy percent population of Latinos, so I 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: think that is just so incredible that they've actually thought 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: about it. Hey, let's actually provide some performers that mean 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: something to them. And also another big thing is the 84 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: fact that the Latino audience is actually growing a lot 85 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: in American football. Well raise aside. As a woman, I 86 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: found it amazing to see two women who were actually 87 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: over the age of forty. I mean, j Low is fifty. 88 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: She looked incredible and they shone in that performance. Everyone's 89 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: been talking about them. And what was so refreshing for 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: me being thirty is to see people like that one 91 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: looking so amazing. You can be like, wow, I could 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: look like that when I'm fifty, but to see that 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: you know the tone that you're not washed up if 94 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: you're over forty. I for one, was in awe of 95 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: the two of their bodies. How incredible do they look? 96 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: There was a lot of skin on show. I just 97 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: thought it was so refreshing, though, to see that these women, 98 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: even though they're in their forties and fifties, they were 99 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: being seen as like very athletic, amazing dances. It wasn't like, oh, 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: you guys are passed it like you shouldn't be wearing revealing. 101 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: I definitely not passed it at all. They would be 102 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: battling it out with the twenty year olds on a 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: dance floor. I think they were. They looked better than 104 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: some twenty year olds. I was bloody jealous. Their figures 105 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: are incredible. I think Jlo actually caught a lot of 106 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: attention on Instagram a couple of days before the Super 107 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Bowl because she came out in this amazing crop top 108 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: and high waisted pants, and all the comments were about 109 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: how toned her arms were and how her abs were popping. 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. I'm wondering if a lot of that 111 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: workout has come from the Hustler move. I feel like 112 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Jalo walked into that stadium with a lot to prove tonight. 113 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: After being snubbed by the Oscars for her work in Hustles, 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: she had a lot to prove, and she definitely proved 115 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: all of her critics wrong. Everyone is talking about her, 116 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: but it was definitely interesting that she decided to come 117 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: out on a pole, which was like, how the hell. 118 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously her strong arms are holding a but 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: that was very impressive. I've got to say one special 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: moment that really stood out was when Jaelo's eleven year 121 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: old daughter came out and did a duet with her 122 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: mum alongside a choir. What made it particularly special was 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: Jaylo was wearing this big, like fluffy flag and one 124 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: side was the American flag and the other side was 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: the Puerto Rican flag. So just again, the messaging the 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: NFL were pushing was very strong, and as I mentioned, 127 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: Twitter has just gone crazy with memes galore about this topic. 128 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: The one which has gone absolutely viral is Shakira when 129 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: she stared at the camera and did what has been 130 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: described as this kind of lecky licked death stare and 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: this has Have you seen these memes, They're just all 132 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: over the place. My favorite one is around Pingu staring 133 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: at it. There's a snippet from Pingu where he does 134 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: the same thing and it's bloody hilarious. There's also one 135 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: with a lamb doing the same thing. It's so bloody funny. 136 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Do you guys think though, that any women in their 137 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: fifties were at home watching where their hutsman's and were 138 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: just like, well, fuck off, Like well, it's funny to 139 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: say that because Milwaukee Buckstar Giannanas I'm not even going 140 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: to pronounce his last name, Adams Kumbus. He had a 141 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: tweet that went viral after suggesting his girlfriend might not 142 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: have approved to his reaction of the performance. The tweet 143 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: has already wrapped up forty nine point nine thousand retweets 144 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and three hundred and twenty nine thousand likes in four 145 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: and a half hours. Well, okay, I know, off, Mike, 146 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: you were telling us that this is part of the 147 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: NFL strategy to get more women to watch, but I 148 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: think a lot more men would have been tuned into 149 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: the halftime show. Well, I think there was something for everyone. 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it has come out that the NFL's female 151 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: audience goes up to about forty nine percent of the 152 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: total audience during the Super Bowl, So I mean from 153 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: a female perspective, I loved watching it through the dancing, 154 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: the singing, the costumes, and aspirational perspective. And I'm sure 155 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: men were loving perving on j Low and Shakira. What 156 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed was the fact that we are showcasing 157 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: women in their fifties and forties. There is, however, the argument, 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: are we only showcasing them because they look like women 159 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: in their twenties and thirties. At the end of the day, 160 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I did think that the performance was quite sexual, and 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I could see that that sort of argument that maybe 162 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: women are only sort of praised when they do behave 163 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: that sort of way and when they do look younger 164 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: than their years. But then I couldn't help think, well, 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: fucking go girls, Like if I had a banging body 166 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: like that at fifty, I'd be out there too. And 167 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't know all I could take was girl power 168 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: from that performance. Well, I suppose I kind of took as, Oh, 169 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: if I actually work out every day when I'm mar age, 170 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: I could get like that. And she also said one 171 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: of her tips is never missing a workout, and I thought, geez, 172 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm never going to miss out a workout again. The 173 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: funny part is I'm actually missing a workout to record 174 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: this podcast. So now moving on to the peak and 175 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: the pit of the news cycle, Sophie, what's been your 176 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: peak this week? Now? The peak for me has to 177 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: be that I'm calling it. Shiny Grimmin is back and 178 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: back in a big way because she is ready to 179 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: start sharing about her life again. About bloody time now. 180 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: She rose to popularity for sharing everything about her life, 181 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: from her boyfriend to how she lost her guy, her 182 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: embarrassing Pooh stories, and she has confessed to her fans 183 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: that she has not been sharing as much but would 184 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: like to start getting back into it now. I think 185 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: it came from the fact that she was going through 186 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: some old videos on her computer that she discovered at 187 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: her family's house and maybe got a bit nostalgic and 188 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: realized how much bigger she was back then. Will She 189 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: also mentioned that she'd been listening to some inspirational podcasts 190 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: and some advice around content creation, so maybe she's actually like, shit, 191 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: I can't just post any old crap online and get 192 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: mass views. Well. It was interesting to hear though, that 193 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons she hasn't been sharing is because 194 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: of the bullying comments she was receiving. So I did 195 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: feel a bit bad for Shine in that respect that 196 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: she felt like she had to sort of step out 197 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: of the spotlight. So I can't wait. And there was 198 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: a really funny scene in her latest YouTube. Yeah. Well, 199 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: she decided to go to one of the prettiest streets 200 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: in Brisbane for those who live in Brisbane, it was 201 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: on James Street and that's where all of the fancy 202 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: clothing stores are in Beautiful Rest and she made his 203 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: little sister, who's about ten to eleven, get out and 204 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: take photos of her. But what was hilarious is she 205 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: said she would give her sister five dollars for every 206 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: great shot she got of her. Well, I don't know. 207 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: I took it as five dollars per photo and she 208 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: could probably be taking about nine, so it could be 209 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: quite licrative. She did clear that up, she said, it's 210 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: not per photo on the camera roll, it's per photo 211 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: that I use on Instagram. Well, they did go out 212 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: shopping later and it did say much she was buying 213 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: her lots of stuff, so I don't think she missed 214 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: out too much. Now onto the pit. It has to 215 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: be the media's treatment of Mitchell Orville and Chloe Zepp. 216 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Now for those who haven't read anything about it, a 217 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: food critic for the Australian newspaper hit out at the 218 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: two influences because basically, their PR team put out an 219 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: email talking about the news that Chloe and Mitch were 220 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: having a baby, and we're asking if any brands wanted 221 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: to reach out and do some sponsored content with them, 222 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: which from a PR perspective is a very normal email 223 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: to send out. Now, this food critic made it sound 224 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: like the pair were asking for free products, when in 225 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: fact it was a collaboration. Now, I think what a 226 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't grasping is the fact that a 227 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: collaboration is a two way agreement. So the brands that 228 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: would be entering this agreement with the two influencers, they 229 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: would be receiving exposure on their huge platforms. So I mean, 230 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's just a brand agreement. 231 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: And to be honest, what I thought was that it's 232 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: going to be a lot more lucrative for the company 233 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: than is for the cost of the product. And it 234 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: actually really pissed me off because Chloe and Mitch haven't 235 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: had an easy time falling pregnant. They did have a 236 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: miscarriage a while back, and they brought great awareness for miscarriages. 237 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: They really weren't shy about talking about it. And then 238 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: for some dickhead that doesn't even understand social media marketing 239 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: that come out and say that really annoyed me. And 240 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: the other thing as well, as Mitchell has been doing 241 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: some incredible work for the Bushfires. He created a T 242 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: shirt and some Jumpers, which I think raised over two 243 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for different charities involved in the bushfire. 244 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: So it's sad that his good work isn't being recognized. 245 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: And I kind of say, these two are not poor. 246 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: They're not living by free products. If anyone's in the 247 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: house to it on YouTube, you will see that they 248 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: are not struggling to pay their bills. And this isn't 249 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: the first time this food critic has actually called out 250 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: other influences, I think for trying to get free bees 251 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: from his restaurant. And I feel like saying, mate, just 252 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: get over it. This is how the world works. Now. 253 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: It's and the newspapers that are printing stuff about it. 254 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: It's like, don't you guys realize this is just how 255 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: the pr and influencer world works. Well. As Mitchell said 256 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: in his rant online, this guy gets paid in free 257 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: food that he reviews, So what's the difference. Now, moving 258 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: on to our next topic, it's the doco that all 259 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift fans have been waiting for. The much hyped 260 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: Miss Americana Netflix special dropped on Friday night, and it's 261 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: got everyone talking. The documentary profiles everything from Swift's troubled eating, 262 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: to her Grammy snub, to dealing with haters and sharing 263 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: her political views. So, Sophie, what did you think of it? 264 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved the fact that it was about Taylor Swift, 265 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: but there were few elements in the documentary and the 266 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: storytelling that I should thought could have been better. But 267 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: my top thing to take out of the documentary was 268 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: the fact that Taylor Swift hadn't tried a burrito until 269 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: she was twenty six years of age. I love that 270 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: there's so many huge themes that are going on in 271 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift documentary, but that's the most fascinating. It 272 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: is funny because looking at the documentary sort of a 273 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: work of art, there were parts that I didn't enjoy. 274 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: I absolutely must say I love the documentary and I'd 275 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: recommend it, but from the perspective I suppose, maybe a 276 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: journalistic perspective, I feel like it was slow in parts 277 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: and especially at the start, and it made me think 278 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: if I wasn't a Taylor Swift fan, what I have 279 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: pushed through it? Because I've watched similar docos. There was 280 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: the Kevin Hart doco, and I liked that it was 281 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: put in episodes and a doco series. It would have 282 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: been interesting to see if Taylor's had been in that format, 283 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: because I feel like it did start off a little slow. 284 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah well, journalists have called the documentary the Awakening of 285 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and it did seem to take a while 286 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: to get to that awakening during the film, and perhaps 287 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: that was purposely done because it might have shown her 288 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: thought process along her journey. Well, I totally agree with 289 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: that point. I feel almost bad to critique it because 290 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: it was so good, But from that critical analysis, it 291 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: was important for them to build up that narrative about 292 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift because there were so many clips of her 293 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: shown in her early days and she did seem very 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: sort of all American, and there was that theme of 295 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: always wanting to impress and being the good girl, and 296 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: that juxtapositioned especially with scenes of her from her Reputation album, 297 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: were amazing to see. Yeah well, she did talk a 298 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: lot about her eagerness to please and for the affirmation 299 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: through applause or fans, and something that touched me was 300 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: she said, my entire moral code is a need to 301 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: be thought of as good. It also showed her thought 302 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: process in the car and she said a women taught 303 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: to seek approval at an early age and has that 304 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: held her back in ways that a man would simply 305 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: brush off. And we do hear her obviously speak about 306 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: that a lot in her recent song The Man, and 307 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: it did make me think because I feel like, at 308 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: an early age, as women, you are told to just 309 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: be quiet, keep smiling, don't make any waves, and that's 310 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: the perfect good girl. I totally agree in that respect. 311 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: I think it's this ingrained thing. I don't know if 312 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: it's specifically that someone's like, right, you don't say anything. 313 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: It's just this kind of understanding as a woman, I 314 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: suppose when you're growing up. You know, when they showed 315 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: those clips of Taylor Swift and she was talking to 316 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: the American talk show host and she was very proud 317 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: about the fact, Oh no, I shouldn't comment. I've totally 318 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: seen myself do that in the past, where you don't 319 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: want to make waves and you feel like people aren't 320 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: going to take on board your opinion. It's only when 321 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: you get older you realize how fucked that narrative is. 322 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: And going back to her eagerness to please, one pivotal 323 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: theme in the documentary is, of course, when Kanye West 324 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: infamously crashed her Video Music Award acceptance speech back in 325 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and at the time, she was 326 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: just a teenager, and she described this incident as a 327 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: formative trauma. She said, for someone who based her whole 328 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: belief system on getting everyone to clap for you, the 329 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: whole crowd booing is a pretty informative experience. I was 330 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: really sad to see at the start of the documentary 331 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: when Taylor Swift got really upset in her car. It 332 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: was a scene she walks out of her house and 333 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: there's just hundreds of people around screaming, and I love 334 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: it because she just walked to the car, got in 335 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and she's like, I know, that's not normal. I thought 336 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: that was hilarious. So once she gets in the car, 337 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: after making this funny remark, she starts talking to the cameras. 338 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: She's looking through her phone at photos of herself from 339 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: a recent appearance, and this is where she divulges that 340 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: she was suffering from an eating disorder a few years earlier, 341 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: and she starts to talk about her relationship with food 342 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: and exercise and how it did become really unhealthy. And 343 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: I do remember photos of her looking very thin, and 344 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: I remember reading in the magazines that she'd just been 345 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: doing a bit of extra pilates, and foolishly, I kind 346 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: of believe that because to me, Taylor Swift seemed so 347 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: confident in herself, and she kind of seemed like the 348 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: last person to I suppose have an eating disorder. I 349 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: guess you felt like she wouldn't fall into the trap 350 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: that other women fell into, because she did seem quite 351 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: confident in her own skin. But did you see that? 352 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: Did you feel that so? Were you kind of surprised 353 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: at how she appeared to loathe her body? Yeah, I 354 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: was quite shocked by it. She did admit in the 355 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: documentary she got down to a size zero and she's 356 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: now back up to a size six, and she said 357 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: it's better to think you look fat than to look sick. 358 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: And what I thought they should have addressed in the 359 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: documentary was Taylor wanting to put weight back on because 360 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: she realizes she's a role model. I don't know, I 361 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: feel like they didn't touch on that topic enough. It 362 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: kind of seemed like a bit of a I don't know, 363 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: they kind of seemed to breeze over a little bit 364 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: in that documentary. I mean, but the thing is she 365 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: might not have been thinking that way because I don't 366 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: know if people were holding Taylor Swift up to this 367 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: high account because of what she looked like. I don't 368 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: know if there were young girls just wanting to be 369 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: thin because they wanted to be like her. I don't 370 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: like that said. I think she's a huge She's definitely 371 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: a role model, but I don't know if she's feel 372 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of people look up to her because 373 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: of her music, not just the way that she looks. 374 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: And I too go hand in hand to be honest, Yeah, 375 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: but I don't know whether she got down to such 376 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: a skeletal weight that people were concerned. Well, she was 377 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: a size of zero, which is very small, I know, 378 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: but side zero in America is different to size, like 379 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: to what you're thinking, Like a size zero, I think 380 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: is about a size six. Well, I think there were 381 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: a size four. Once you look back at the photos 382 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: with hindsight, she did get ridiculously thin. No, no, I agree, 383 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: she did get ridiculous. She did get very thin, but 384 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: it's only in hindsight, Like at the time, did you 385 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: think there was something wrong? I just thought I thought 386 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: she was naturally thin. Yeah, what was also quite alarming 387 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: was the comment when she was watching back footage of 388 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: herself from the single Sorry from her single Me, and 389 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: she said, I have a really slappable face. And I 390 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: felt like that was such an indication of her listening 391 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: to troll comments. And that was what really did surprise me, 392 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: because sometimes you think these celebrities are at such you 393 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: know that they're so big that they wouldn't have time 394 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: to read the comments. But it just showed such a 395 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: human side to her that I don't know, I feel 396 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: like I've never seen that side of her before. No, 397 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: And that's what really surprised me as well. When she 398 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: was talking about her weight, I was so shocked that 399 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: I don't know when I look at someone like Taylor Swift. 400 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: I suppose because I look up to her and I 401 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: think she's amazing. I feel like she's got a lot 402 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: of fans that would be telling her how great she is. 403 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: But it's always funny that you tend to listen to 404 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: the negative response and not the positive one. She did 405 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: also make an interesting comment that she believes some people 406 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: get stuck at the age they became famous, and she 407 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: said it took her a while to catch up to 408 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: being twenty nine, and I found that really interesting because 409 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: she's always struck me as someone who is very mature. 410 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I suppose if you're having 411 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: everyone do things for you and you know you're not, 412 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of showed in the documentary that 413 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: a lot of her friends were having kids and married 414 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: and maybe she felt a little bit left behind. It's 415 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: funny because I took her comments to be totally different, 416 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: because you know, when you hear people talk about Taylor 417 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: Swift and they're like, oh, I liked her when she 418 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: was singing Love Story, I almost took it as that 419 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: was the peak of her fame and that people expect 420 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: her to be like that. It's funny that you took it. 421 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I can see how you could have 422 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: taken it the other way. It was kind of refreshing, though, 423 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: to hear that she wasn't ready for kids because being 424 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: thirty also, I don't want kids anytime soon, so it 425 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: was kind of refreshing to hear a career driven woman 426 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: that didn't feel ashamed to say that. She also did 427 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: speak about how her life's very planned out for her, 428 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: and you know, a tool be locked in two years 429 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: in advance, so it is hard for her to make 430 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: those big life decisions. Something that did strike me in 431 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: the documentary was that sense of loneliness. I don't know 432 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: if you felt that. It was following when she won 433 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: the Grammy and she was talking about how this was 434 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: her biggest dream and it was her goal to win 435 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: a Grammy and she said, shouldn't I have someone to 436 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: call right now? I did get a sense of loneliness 437 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: in that part of the documentary, But I feel like 438 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: there was a lot about her life that wasn't shown. 439 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: It did show her friendship with Abigail, but it didn't 440 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: really show her friendship with other high profile people that 441 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: have been around and she has had a lot of 442 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: relationships obviously that weren't shown because she's no longer with them. 443 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: I did enjoy an insight into her relationship with her 444 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: current boyfriend, Joe Olwen. They look like the most perfect couple, 445 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: and I was kind of pleased to see that he 446 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: wasn't really featured in it. I think it was done 447 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: in a clever way. Yeah, it was clever because obviously 448 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: she pointed out that something that set their relationship apart 449 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: was that they wanted it to remain quite private. And 450 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: the way they kind of weave that into the documentary 451 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: by showing a clip of her singing a song to 452 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Joe and mouthing I love you, but we still didn't 453 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: see him, And then we saw her embrace hug him 454 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: after one of her concert. It was just kind of 455 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: those little, nice, cute, little snippets. It was just what 456 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: we needed it, but didn't reveal too much about their relationship. Well, 457 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this, but people are 458 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: going nuts online because she was spotted with an alleged 459 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: engagement ring and some people think that they're secretly married. 460 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: And this rumor came about when she dropped her latest album, 461 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: Love It, and there's a song called paper Rings, and 462 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: there's numerous references to marriage and all that kind of thing. 463 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: Do you think that they could be secretly married? To 464 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: be honest, I think it's all a bit of a 465 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: beat up because she's in the news at the moment 466 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: and they're trying to grasp its straws to make a 467 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: story out of nothing. Well, apart from Joe, another interesting 468 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: point that the doco touched on was a sexual assault 469 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift, which for me was a real turning 470 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: point in the documentary. Yeah, it was at this point 471 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: that Taylor started to realize that so many of the 472 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: issues she had been facing alone were actually institutional problems 473 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: that affected women everywhere. It was quite cleverly put together 474 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: with the graphics. We see her talking about the fact 475 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: that the court case was a lot more troubling than 476 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: the actual incident itself. So, for those who don't know, 477 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: Taylor was at a meet and greet and this DJ 478 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: and his I think it was his wife came to 479 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: do a meet and greet with her, and there's a 480 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: photo which clearly shows this guy groping Taylor's ass. And 481 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: the most astonishing point of this story is that this 482 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: guy then got sacked by the radio station he worked for, 483 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: and he then sued Taylor Swift. I think it was 484 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: for around a million dollars for losing his job. She 485 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: countersued him for one single dollar. And you know, Taylor 486 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: was dragged into this huge case, and as Sophie said, 487 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: it was I think the case itself was actually worse 488 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: and more infuriating than the act itself. It was touching 489 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: because they showed a clip of her a year on 490 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: and she was talking to her fans at a concert 491 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: about how she was so lucky that she was believed, 492 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: and there's so many women who go through court cases 493 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: or similar situations and their voice isn't heard. I found 494 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: that quite an emotional part of the documentary. Yeah, one 495 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: point that really stood out to me that Taylor made 496 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: was about the court case itself, in terms of how 497 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: the prosecution tried to tear her testimony apart. And I've 498 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: been involved in a case where it could have gone 499 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: to court, and I was warned by lawyers about possible 500 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: things people can bring up about you to try and 501 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: destroy your character. And this is a really scary situation 502 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: for women out there because most of the time, I 503 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that women aren't believed. And 504 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: there are plenty of cases out there that a sensitive cases, 505 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: sometimes involving sexual assaults or just other awful incidents that 506 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: women have to go through. And what's quite frightening with 507 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: the legal system is that women can go up there 508 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: and want to tell their story and want to tell 509 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: the truth, and there's someone who is being paid big 510 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: dollars to intimidate them, ruin their reputation and tear them down. 511 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: And it's crazy because they will throw anything and everything 512 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: at you to try and get you not to speak out. 513 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: So this pivotal moment in the documentary did then lead 514 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: into the moment where she told her management team that 515 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: she wanted to begin to wade into politics. One of 516 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: the most explosive scenes was when Taylor was sitting with 517 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: her management team, quite symbolic. They were two old white 518 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: men and she was sitting with her mother, and she 519 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: was telling them that she passionately wanted to start speaking 520 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: about politics and what was important to her. You know. 521 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: One of them was her dad, I do know again 522 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: with her dad, and she was furious because Marsha Blackburn, 523 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: who is a Republican who she describes as being Trump 524 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: in a wig, became the favorite for a US Senate 525 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: see in her home state of Tennessee. She basically stood 526 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: for everything that Taylor was against. And in the past, 527 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: Taylor revealed how she'd been very careful not to voice 528 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: her political opinions in public, and having come from the 529 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: country music world, she was constantly reminded by her management 530 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: of the backlash that the Dixie Chicks faced in two thousand, 531 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: after the lead singer, Natalie said she was ashamed of 532 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: President George W. Bush. It was such an interesting insight 533 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: into how the music industry works because I think sometimes 534 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: we can often be naive. You know, when you see 535 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: a tweet go out from Taylor Swift, you kind of 536 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: just think that she's sent it out. You don't really 537 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: think of all of the management team that are behind 538 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: the decision to do so. So I found it crazy 539 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: as a viewer to see this huge star, Taylor Swift 540 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: having to basically have a yelling argument to get her 541 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: point across that she was willing to make this decision 542 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: to stand up and hopefully get young voters in Tennessee 543 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: to actually vote against this woman. On the other hand, 544 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: I could actually see from a business sense where her 545 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: father and that other man was coming from, because they 546 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: said to her, Taylor, you're gonna heart like you could 547 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: possibly have your audience if you come out and make 548 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: these political claims. On the other hand, I was like, 549 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: fucking go, Taylor. I loved that. That was probably my 550 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: favorite part when she just stood up, and I loved 551 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: that her mum just sat there and backed her as well. 552 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: It was really interesting to see her thought process throughout 553 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: the documentary as well, because she explained that she was 554 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: trying to deprogram her own ingrain misogyny as well, and 555 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: she did make the comment I want to wear pink 556 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: and tell you how I feel about politics, and I 557 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: don't think those things have to cancel each other out. 558 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: So it did kind of show how she'd evolve because 559 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: we did see her in the early stages rocking up 560 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: in a horse and cart with a sparkly princess dress on. 561 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: So she's realized she can still be that person, but 562 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: she can be vocal about her political views and feelings. Well. 563 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: At near the end, there was this amazing scene where 564 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: she was talking to the camera and then she apologized 565 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: after she said she went on a bit of a 566 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: rant about her own views. She's like, I'm sorry, and 567 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: she's like, no, I shouldn't have to say sorry. This 568 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: is my house, Like I'm giving you my views in 569 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: my house, which I paid for. I thought that was amazing. 570 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: I was so glad they left that grab in because 571 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: I think as women, we become so apologetic for everything. 572 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: It's ingrained in us to apologize if we say our 573 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: point of view because we've been taught not to ruffle 574 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: any feathers and not say anything. So I hope there 575 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: is a generation of young women that watch that and go, No, 576 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say what I think and I'm not 577 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: going to apologize for it. Moving on, the Bachelorette New 578 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Zealand has set tongues wagging after pulling a batchey world 579 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: first and appointing two female bachelorettes. However, the bold move 580 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: has outraged some fans and prompted a race route online 581 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: Amy Can you tell us what happened? Well, it's actually 582 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: pretty crazy what's happened. There's already been four episodes of 583 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: The Bachelorette New Zealand, and The Bachelorette cast doctor Lesina 584 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: as the lead, and the Bachelorette franchise was actually praised 585 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: for this decision because, as I mentioned, she's a doctor, 586 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: she's a woman of color, and she's in her thirties 587 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and so she's a very strong lead. And what they've 588 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: done now is they've bought in a twenty year old 589 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: second Bachelorette. And I think the guy's eyes almost popped 590 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: out of their heads because she's a former contestant on 591 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. She's been in three other reality shows in 592 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: New Zealand and America. So she's quite well known, and 593 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: fans are outraged at the fact that this doctor Lesina 594 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: can't just be the lead on the Bachelorette. People are saying, well, 595 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: why is it that a woman of color has to 596 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: share the lead with another young blonde woman. Why can't 597 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: she just have her moment? It seems like it is 598 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: an afterthought of the producers. I mean, it would be 599 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: interesting to compare the ratings for the first few episodes. 600 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: It could have been out of pure desperation to keep 601 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: the show on track that they add someone in. I 602 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: don't think it was the right decision to do. I'm 603 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: sure if they gave Lesina some time for the audience 604 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: to get to know her, but that's the story to evolve. Well, 605 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing. They're claiming that they've had this plan 606 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: all along. But I find it's so odd to introduce 607 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: it into the fourth episode of the show because you're 608 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: already invested in the relationships. And it's quite interesting because 609 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: at first I thought, oh, it must be bullshit. But 610 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: they've given her a mix of men, so half of 611 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: the men are sort of in that late twenties to 612 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: early thirties age group, are the same as hers. And 613 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: then there's a whole load of men that were put 614 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: in that are early twenties and they're all sort of 615 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: questioning why are we in here? So the new blonde 616 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: girl is going in and she gets to pick from 617 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: the same batch of men. Yeah. So basically the way 618 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: it works is if one of the women has a 619 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: strong relationship, that guy's kind of off limits to the 620 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: other one. But you can tell they're trying to pit 621 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: them against each other because if they're both interested in 622 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: a guy, they can both date him as well. And 623 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: the reaction from some of the men was appalling. There 624 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: was one character which is clearly the douchebag of the 625 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: New Zealand series, and he was like, ah, so do 626 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: I get to like have both of them? And he 627 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: was eluding the whole time that he was going to 628 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: have a threesome with the women. It was disgusting. It'd 629 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: be a good way to weed out all of the 630 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: dickheads on there. I would be very interested to see 631 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: if they would pull this sort of shit if it 632 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: was a male bachelor. I feel like we'd give them 633 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: male bachelor the chance to be the star of the show. 634 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: There was a series in America where they actually had 635 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: two bachelorettes on the first night of the show, and 636 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: the men had to pick which bachelorette they wanted to 637 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: be in the whole series. But we've never actually seen 638 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: a series with men vying for two different bachelorettes in 639 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: the same series. Am I understand that the backlash has 640 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: been pretty big online. Can you talk us through some 641 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: of the comments that people have been leaving. Yeah, well, 642 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: fans aren't happy. One fan tweeted, really, can brown girls 643 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: not have anything of our own? Lacina deserves better and 644 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: she deserves it all, and then another tweeted, oh we 645 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: thought we were going somewhere with a beautiful brown bachelorette 646 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: taking center stage for the first time. We thought, And 647 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: another tweeted, I am done with the Bachelorette New Zealand. 648 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Women of color are at a significant disadvantage on reality 649 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: dating shows. There are very few women of color leading 650 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: ladies on these shows, and that's right over the whole series. Worldwide, 651 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: there's only ever been one woman of color chosen as 652 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: the bachelorette, and that was in the American series, and 653 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: that was Rachel Lindsay and her series was amazing and 654 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: she was a great Bachelor at she and the guy 655 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: she picked are still together and from what I hear, 656 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: her series was one of the most popular in America 657 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: with the highest ratings, so it was obviously a winning formula. 658 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: It's quite amusing because the Bachelorette New Zealand bosses have 659 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: hit back at all of this backlash and they put 660 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: out quite a lengthy statement. It's quite funny because they're 661 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: trying to make out as if it's a real, sort 662 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: of like girl power move that they've put in these 663 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: two women, and they've sort of denied any wrongdoing they've said. 664 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: Rather than pitting the women against each other, this season 665 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: brings in a real friendship. We think viewers will be 666 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: excited to see The Bachelorette New Zealand focuses on two strong, 667 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: successful women. With three to four episodes a week. The 668 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: season can explore with Lasina and Lily's stories and they'll 669 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: be there to support each other through the trials of 670 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: modern dating. Oh sorry, that's just bullshit. What friendship group 671 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: do you have that you'll date the same guys? Oh no, 672 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to cause the biggest bitch fights ever And 673 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: that's what that is. Clearly what they're hoping because sometimes 674 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: when I watch The Bachelorette, it gets a bit boring 675 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: because the guys sometimes don't give much. That's why the 676 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: Bachelor is so popular because everyone loves seeing the girls fighting. Well, 677 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: the women have actually gone on record and confirmed that 678 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: they will be there for each other, supporting each other. 679 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 1: But we'll just see if some hobbie comes in there 680 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: they're all fighting over. I actually really hope that they 681 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: do put this on maybe the ten Now or whatever 682 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: it is, the ten app that's always that's always like 683 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: the voices are always out of sync. I'm sorry though, 684 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: if this was an a if this was a move 685 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: to unite women, they would have done it from the 686 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: star and they wouldn't have shocked Lesina. Well, do you 687 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: know what's funny? I just before we and this show, 688 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning the Bachelorette that they've brought in Lily. 689 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: She's actually an Australian girl and as I said, you 690 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: found fame on Bachelor New Zealand in twenty seventeen where 691 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: she actually won the show. But she's since been on 692 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: that Bachelor Winter Games in the US, and that's where 693 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: she met Courtney Dover, who was on the Australian Bachelorette. 694 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: Sounds like she's a bit of an ali ojen. She's 695 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: at a shot. Maybe she should just go to the 696 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: pool of people in the real world. That's right. As 697 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you will have noticed, there was three voices to start 698 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: with and two to end with. We have had to 699 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: finish this podcast late into the night to make sure 700 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: it's out for you on Tuesday morning. Yes, as we 701 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: were filming this, our cousins arrived to go out for 702 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: dinner with us, so we didn't They didn't leave until recently. 703 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: It's now eleven o'clock at night and Kate had to 704 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: race off because she's got an important work breakfast. So 705 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: we're sorry you couldn't hear Kate's thought on Taylor Swift. 706 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's devastated. 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