Speaker 1: Tions to land see and community. We pay our respect
Speaker 1: to their elders past and present, and extend that respect
Speaker 1: to all Aboriginal and terrest Raid Islander peoples today. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. This
Speaker 1: is the podcast for ordinary people who want to do
Speaker 1: extraordinary things. Hello and welcome back to the Rising Conker Podcast.
Speaker 1: It is your host, Georgie Stevenson, lawyer turned to entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: business owner, new mum wife, all the things. Honestly forget
Speaker 1: my intro every time. Guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: I have a very exciting episode for you. We are
Speaker 1: chatting one of the things that it gets me every time, guys,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you're going to resonate with this topic.
Speaker 1: But before we get into it, a little recap. I
Speaker 1: had a lovely relaxing weekend. I actually had such a
Speaker 1: stressful week last week. Last week was huge, guys. Poor
Speaker 1: Atia was staying back late every afternoon, slave drive and away.
Speaker 2: I've had my whip out.
Speaker 1: No, we just have had a lot on so I
Speaker 1: feel like my weekly updates are always about work. But
Speaker 1: I oh, I had I told you guys about my
Speaker 1: pedal and pop collection. That is actually launching if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this in real time tomorrow the fifteenth of
Speaker 1: June is my Postcards by Georgie winter collection with pedal
Speaker 1: and pup. Very cute. You know my style. She's comfy,
Speaker 1: she's versatile, and you'll wear these pieces for seasons to come.
Speaker 1: So if you do need a bit of a winter wardrobe,
Speaker 1: a refresh makes you go check that out.
Speaker 2: And then also.
Speaker 1: Last week we announced that we have a brand new
Speaker 1: dessert range happening at Naked Harvest. So this is something
Speaker 1: we've been working on for yolks, honestly so long to
Speaker 1: perfect a like healthy dessert, especially because in n hah,
Speaker 1: we're really really strict on gluten free, dairy free, vegan, refined,
Speaker 1: sugar free, all those things, while still having added benefits
Speaker 1: that you know with stress and helping you sleep. And
Speaker 1: then it's got to taste good. We go through lots
Speaker 1: of samples and it's it's a big process, but we
Speaker 1: have got here. We're so proud. We are releasing a
Speaker 1: mug cake and moose. I think that goes live on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my brain, guys, my brain, So yeah,
Speaker 1: like all that was happening and so I really really
Speaker 1: deserved a little relaxing we can and honestly didn't do
Speaker 1: too much, just spend time with little Slivy and Tim.
Speaker 1: I mean Ivy. Oh my god, I call her Slivey.
Speaker 1: That's like an at home nickname. You guys probably think,
Speaker 1: what did she just say? But it was good, it
Speaker 1: was well needed. But I'm so excited about this episode.
Speaker 1: Let's get straight into it all right, guys, today we
Speaker 1: are chatting imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: What does it mean about you? What does it mean
Speaker 1: in that situation? And how we can not get rid
Speaker 1: of it? Because I think imposter syndrome is healthy. An
Speaker 1: give me a little snoppet there, but how we can
Speaker 1: process it? That's so interesting. He's like, what are we
Speaker 1: talking about? I'm like healthy, No, I think it's really healthy.
Speaker 1: But first, what is imposter syndrome? So, guys, Imposter syndrome
Speaker 1: is basically when you feel like a fraud or a
Speaker 1: you know, imposta, or you feel not good enough or
Speaker 1: very out of your comfort zone when you were doing
Speaker 1: something new. And I feel like I have felt this
Speaker 1: basically every time that I have done something new, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like this feeling of who am
Speaker 1: I to do this? Almost like I'm not qualified to
Speaker 1: do this?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is that how you would explain a post syndrome a dog?
Speaker 1: Before we started tear out tooth so smooth, guys, before
Speaker 1: we started recording, I said, to a tear, let's give
Speaker 1: you a nickname. I want to call you like a tear.
Speaker 1: You can call me g okay or georsh. What if
Speaker 1: you prefer what should we call a tear? Guys? Come, Actually,
Speaker 1: let's put something on our stories.
Speaker 2: I always go and they called me tee tow.
Speaker 1: No, that's a rudfic. We're not going t toowl like
Speaker 1: they just couldn't say your name properly. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we just landed up on te tail. A tear
Speaker 1: is a beautiful name, though, so maybe we just keep it.
Speaker 1: But if you guys have a great nickname for a tear,
Speaker 1: come to the story. Not a dog. I love a dog.
Speaker 1: It makes you sound like you do rap or something.
Speaker 2: Do rap?
Speaker 1: You know what? I often do? Though, I call people
Speaker 1: by their first name, like, for example, my partnership's manager, Jacinta,
Speaker 1: I call her j And it's still to this day.
Speaker 1: Every time I go, oh, Jay said this Cooper goes,
Speaker 1: who's J And I'm like jcinta. I've called her Jay
Speaker 1: the whole time. I love that, So we could call
Speaker 1: you A that's like pretty little liar vibes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know A Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, I kind of like a butt. Come to
Speaker 1: our stories. We're going to put a little questions thingy.
Speaker 1: Let's give it to your nickname and be a nickname,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: A dog?
Speaker 1: Until then, what would you say? Imposter syndrome is or
Speaker 1: feels like.
Speaker 2: Almost uncomfort but worse because I feel like you can
Speaker 2: get it confused with just being uncomfortable because it does
Speaker 2: happen out of your comfort zone. But I think it's
Speaker 2: a lot worse than just being a little bit uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: and it really comes down to you questioning who you
Speaker 2: are and almost like how do I even have the
Speaker 2: right to be doing this?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why why are people listening to me? Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: I think I agreed, because I think it's more than
Speaker 1: just being uncomfortable and being out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1: It's also the like you said, like I don't have
Speaker 1: the qualifications to be here, or I don't deserve a
Speaker 1: seat at this.
Speaker 2: Table, exactly like you feel a bit like a fraud,
Speaker 2: Like you're like, I'm cheating everyone.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is sitting around me by being here one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. And this has actually come up recently for
Speaker 1: me and I wanted to do an episode on it,
Speaker 1: and it's come up for me because as you guys
Speaker 1: probably have seen on my socials if you don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing another collab with Pedal and Pup.
Speaker 2: Wow, I love it. The clothes are so cute. What
Speaker 2: is that was like a sound effect that it was you?
Speaker 2: I feel like like.
Speaker 1: The applaud hand ready, guys, I hope I got the
Speaker 1: right button. Great, thanks a dog. So my Pedal and
Speaker 1: Pup collection is going live tomorrow if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this when this potty goes live. And I filmed, not filmed.
Speaker 1: I did the photo shoot for this a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and yes, just quickly. The color is so beautiful, guys.
Speaker 1: And it's a winter collection that's very much inspired by
Speaker 1: the winter locations that I dream about visiting. So you
Speaker 1: guys know, well maybe you don't, but me and Tim
Speaker 1: had this really amazing Europe trip booked right literally by
Speaker 1: you Si. Yeah, and then we didn't get to go
Speaker 1: because of COVID and then.
Speaker 2: We have a child now, so there goes that.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's probably not going to be on the cards
Speaker 1: for years until Ivy Girl is a bit older. But
Speaker 1: like I just I love overseas winter locations, like so
Speaker 1: in the collection there's names like Aspen and like Colorado
Speaker 1: and yeah, so just beautiful winter locations and it's called
Speaker 1: Postcards by Georgie and basically just all the locations I
Speaker 1: want to go winter. But it's a winter collection, and
Speaker 1: it is a mini collection, so there's only about way
Speaker 1: say mini, but there's like fucking fourteen pieces. Anyway, if
Speaker 1: you don't know what I am talking about, go to
Speaker 1: my socials. I have so many social posts on that
Speaker 1: and I'm so bloody excited. But anyway, it goes live tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And we did the photo shoot three weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: as we were driving up the driveway to this beautiful
Speaker 1: house we were shooting at, I had my EA Ellie
Speaker 1: in the car because she was doing content for me
Speaker 1: that day, and she's like, how do you feel. Actually
Speaker 1: we were like driving this so we weren't even driving up
Speaker 1: the driveway yet, and she's like, how do you feel?
Speaker 1: And I was like I feel so nervous, Like I
Speaker 1: felt so nervous, I felt sick, and I just said
Speaker 1: to her, I don't know, like like who am I
Speaker 1: just feel like who am I to be doing a
Speaker 1: fashion collection? Like I just felt so out of my bounds?
Speaker 1: And I said to her, So I have done a
Speaker 1: collection with Pedal and Pup, But for some reason in
Speaker 1: my head, I made up this story that Pedal and
Speaker 1: Pup wanted to do it with me because I was pregnant,
Speaker 1: so it was like a bump friendly colle and I
Speaker 1: really made the story up in my head that it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they chose me because there was very limited people pregnant.
Speaker 1: There were my dog, g dog. There wasn't many people
Speaker 1: to pick from, so of course, you know, picked me,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, I kind of put that
Speaker 1: collection as like, oh yeah, like I was one of
Speaker 1: the very limited people pregnant at that time, and I'd
Speaker 1: worked in part for a very long time and we
Speaker 1: had a great relationship, so it made sense. But that
Speaker 1: was the only reason why they picked me. So when
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a second collection with me, not pregnant,
Speaker 1: just you just for me, I just felt so like undeserving.
Speaker 2: So I note, I do love your style though, thank
Speaker 2: you are Tea.
Speaker 1: And well that's another big thing too, is like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm a fashion influencer, Like people would not
Speaker 1: come to my page for my style. Like I think
Speaker 1: I inject a lot of fashion in my socials because
Speaker 1: I love fashion. Yeah, and I wouldn't even say I
Speaker 1: have like the most standout style, Like I love basic things.
Speaker 1: I love things that you can wear over seasons, that
Speaker 1: are sustainable. Yeah, you know, my vibe has very much
Speaker 1: changed as I've become a mum. And yeah, so like
Speaker 1: there was this huge part of me. I was driving
Speaker 1: there and because I've been on a photo shoot with
Speaker 1: them before and there's like fifteen people. It's hair and maker,
Speaker 1: there's models, like you know the location when we shot,
Speaker 1: I just know it's like next level, and I just
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh my god, everyone's here for me.
Speaker 1: They want to do a collection for me, and I
Speaker 1: just felt so unworthy. So like I literally thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we're going to do the shoot and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be disappointed with me. I know, its a syndrome, sucks,
Speaker 1: I know, but it was so ridiculous. And then Ellie
Speaker 1: kind of said the same thing, and she was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking And she said, She's like, I
Speaker 1: actually love that you said this because I think as
Speaker 1: an outsider looking in, I would have never thought you
Speaker 1: felt like this.
Speaker 2: No, never would have guessed no.
Speaker 1: And I and I think that's why I wanted to
Speaker 1: speak about it, because it is so normal and even
Speaker 1: someone like me who has literally done a collection, who
Speaker 1: has done this thing before, like I, all.
Speaker 2: Of a sudden, it just hit you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can hit you at really random times.
Speaker 1: And so I literally had to like put some hype
Speaker 1: music on and like pep talk myself and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like how fucking dare you say those things when you've
Speaker 1: worked so hard? And yeah, maybe you're not like a
Speaker 1: fashion icon, but you have a style and you know,
Speaker 1: people obviously enjoy that style. Otherwise your first collection wouldn't
Speaker 1: have sold out. And you know, I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: pet myself up. And the hard thing is imposter syndrome,
Speaker 1: like it always it always comes back. And you would think,
Speaker 1: by the time you have accomplished so many things, or
Speaker 1: you know, got to a certain level in your career,
Speaker 1: in your family life and anything, you would think, oh,
Speaker 1: but by the time I get there, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to feel these feelings.
Speaker 2: Because I'll know I'm worth it because I'll Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the hard truth is it always comes up, and
Speaker 1: for me, it's always when I'm about to go to
Speaker 1: the next level or achieve something pretty great that imposter
Speaker 1: syndrome seeps in and confronts me. So that's why I
Speaker 1: said at the start a tea that's like, it's actually
Speaker 1: a little bit healthy, because I think it's like I
Speaker 1: now can understand it and kind of get it before
Speaker 1: it cripples me and go, fuck, I must be going
Speaker 1: to the next level. Fuck, this must be really great.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I wouldn't feel like this. Yes, I've definitely felt
Speaker 1: like this numerous times in my life. So I really
Speaker 1: felt like this when we were starting Naked Harvest because
Speaker 1: again I was like, who am I to start a business?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an influencer. I don't start businesses. I
Speaker 1: work with businesses. Who am I to start a business?
Speaker 1: And I think it's when you put yourself in a
Speaker 1: certain box and you give yourself like a label, a label,
Speaker 1: and you give yourself like I'm an influencer, I'm this.
Speaker 1: I'm like I just said, I'm not a fashion icon.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fashion influencer, Like why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: And I think when we can stop labeling ourselves and
Speaker 1: kind of strip it back, and I think, like lean
Speaker 1: into this idea that we are always evolving. This is
Speaker 1: I'm about to go off on a ramp. But do
Speaker 1: you guys remember back in the day, and like, do
Speaker 1: you remember back in the day where influencers would like
Speaker 1: jump on their stories and say they wanted to pivot
Speaker 1: and do something different and almost have to apologize for it.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I bring it up is
Speaker 1: because I did this, did you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When I was so a lot of people, I really
Speaker 1: leaned into the like I'm, you know, a law student,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a lawyer. So a lot of
Speaker 1: my youtubes it was like day in the life of
Speaker 1: a law grad and everyone kind of knew me as
Speaker 1: this like fitness and health girl, who was you know,
Speaker 1: going to be a lawyer.
Speaker 2: And very career, very balance it with your health kind
Speaker 2: of yes.
Speaker 1: And so I also had a lot of people give
Speaker 1: me feedback of oh, I love following you because you
Speaker 1: actually have a career and you actually have a job.
Speaker 1: You're not just an influencer. Doing fitness health, who's got
Speaker 1: all the time in the world, and like, yeah, all
Speaker 1: these certain things that I then took their you know,
Speaker 1: comments and feedback and then put myself in the box
Speaker 1: of I am this certain person. So when I actually
Speaker 1: wanted to quit my job as a you know, family lawyer,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go off and do something else,
Speaker 1: I literally put a YouTube I think on IGTV, like
Speaker 1: I could go back and find it, basically being like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I know I just finished my law degree. I know,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, I actually don't want to do law.
Speaker 1: I want to do this. And it's like this weird
Speaker 1: apology video that I did because I felt so accountable
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, and I felt so bad for evolving,
Speaker 1: and like how weird is that?
Speaker 2: It is so weird? And I feel like people do
Speaker 2: that to others around them too. Yes, Like obviously yours
Speaker 2: was on a way bigger scale because you had a
Speaker 2: following that you needed to in quotation marks apologize to
Speaker 2: for changing. But people who do that anyway, like if
Speaker 2: you're quitting a job and you're telling your friends like
Speaker 2: I'm changing industries or like it's this whole thing where
Speaker 2: where it's a bigger deal than it should be. Almost.
Speaker 2: It's not just like like, oh, I've got this new job,
Speaker 2: I'm super excited.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think it really is that old mentality
Speaker 1: where straight out of school you pick what you're going
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: For the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I know, do you remember feeling that pressure in grade
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve?
Speaker 2: But you know it was weird. I just got told
Speaker 2: in like grade eight, oh, you should be an engineer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is that white?
Speaker 2: Why did you? I was thirteen and they were like,
Speaker 2: you're you're really good at science and maths, and you
Speaker 2: seem to enjoy it. I would recommend this and that
Speaker 2: I carried that.
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because I got told I should be
Speaker 1: an actor, like she's dumb as dog shit, but she's
Speaker 1: so dramatic. Look at me now, bitches. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: totally in troubled.
Speaker 2: You good and yeah, so you I carried that from
Speaker 2: thirteen to now.
Speaker 1: I still want to be an engineer. I was trying
Speaker 1: to say, I didn't think you were.
Speaker 2: No, I I've converted it to a minor guy.
Speaker 1: Good to know, thanks idea, yeah, thanks, I dog yeah,
Speaker 1: but one hundred percent, like we are told you're good
Speaker 1: at this, You're good at that. You should be this.
Speaker 2: This is what you're going to do.
Speaker 1: This is your one path, and this is what you're
Speaker 1: going to do for the rest of your life. And
Speaker 1: you better love it or like, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you don't love it, You're going to do it.
Speaker 2: You're not making money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was very much like my dad's approach too,
Speaker 1: And I think you you really, you get swayed. You
Speaker 1: get swayed by this, and I think that's why there's
Speaker 1: this weird thing that if you are doing something that's
Speaker 1: not only out of your comfort zone, but maybe in
Speaker 1: a different industry or maybe if you're pivoting or you're
Speaker 1: doing something new, we get this weird feeling of like
Speaker 1: who am I to.
Speaker 2: Do this exactly? And especially when things aren't a job
Speaker 2: your parents would unders stand.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's like me and Mel were saying the other day.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't think my parents even still now
Speaker 1: understand what I do. And oh my god. It was
Speaker 1: so sweet. So her dad came to the warehouse and
Speaker 1: he was like, oh my like he was first of
Speaker 1: all quite shocked with like how big it was, and
Speaker 1: that like, you know, Mel had this whole team under her,
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, Mel, this is so this
Speaker 1: is so good like I did, and like Mel's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my job, like I'm a boss ass bitch
Speaker 1: and you could tell like he just didn't understand. He
Speaker 1: didn't understand. And then I think it was really great
Speaker 1: for him because he saw it was like actually a
Speaker 1: physical company, you know, like yeah, it's a warehouse and
Speaker 1: there's products and and didn't touch it and see it.
Speaker 1: You can touch and see it. But I think often,
Speaker 1: like you know, a job as an influencer or social
Speaker 1: social media, like people just don't understand and they don't
Speaker 1: think it's even anything.
Speaker 2: Even when I told people I was coming to work
Speaker 2: at a pot They're like full time, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that's like three of us
Speaker 1: I know. And yes, and the podcast makes money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. This is such like a random side note, guys,
Speaker 1: but can I just say, if you're someone who listens
Speaker 1: to this potty and you don't skip the ads, thank you,
Speaker 1: because that's how a tea gets paid. Like, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, you guys get hours of free content
Speaker 1: and it's you've just got to listen to a little ad,
Speaker 1: so please don't skip me ideas like please, And so
Speaker 1: I think this whole episode like, let's normalize this imposter
Speaker 1: syndrome because I think we're all going to feel like
Speaker 1: it and it doesn't actually matter how qualified you are,
Speaker 1: you're going to feel it like regardless, and I think
Speaker 1: that's even it. Like I did a whole law degree
Speaker 1: and then you know, when I got my law grind position,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, who am I to
Speaker 1: do this like this? And like it's it's ridiculous and
Speaker 1: honestly logically doesn't make a lot of sense, but when
Speaker 1: it does it ever, Yeah, exactly. Do you have any
Speaker 1: examples of when you felt on poster syndrometeria.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot, and I
Speaker 2: think it happened. And it's such a weird thing because
Speaker 2: you forget when you felt that way after you've moved
Speaker 2: past it. Yeah, but I think when I applied for
Speaker 2: this job, I felt it quite a bit because I obviously.
Speaker 1: You I have no idea about podcast you're like for
Speaker 1: the tech person at R and C. Now, literally like
Speaker 1: I listened to podcasts and I loved them, but back
Speaker 1: end didn't have much knowledge just to can't do attitude
Speaker 1: and even just like being in a completely different industry
Speaker 1: to what I was in, because I obviously had transferable
Speaker 1: skills and that is what I just had to keep
Speaker 1: reiterating to myself when actually making this application. But obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of those thoughts came in where it was
Speaker 1: like who am I to turn around and be like
Speaker 1: I'm the right person for your podcast? And even like
Speaker 1: sometimes helping on episodes, I feel it a little bit
Speaker 1: because I'm like, why would people want to listen to
Speaker 1: what I have to say?
Speaker 2: Kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, that's so interesting. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: makes sense. But to me, like when I think of
Speaker 1: your interview, you literally walked in the room and I
Speaker 1: knew straightaway that you were right for the position. You
Speaker 1: didn't even have to say too much. And I just
Speaker 1: was like, yes, this girl her vibe and isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 3: And I was there like I don't know what to say,
Speaker 3: Like I could definitely tell you were nervous, right, I
Speaker 3: think it's normal in an interview, absolutely, but yeah it's
Speaker 3: like when I, you know, read your resume and then
Speaker 3: just how you showed up and then also your.
Speaker 1: Bloody vision board, like you just see we're doing vision boards.
Speaker 1: If you guys didn't know, a Tia did a vision
Speaker 1: board for me as like where she sees the podcast
Speaker 1: in five years or something, and that honestly got her
Speaker 1: the job, like a physical vision board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so much fun to make as well.
Speaker 1: I could imagine do you have any other times anyway?
Speaker 1: So go back and then how did you kind of
Speaker 1: combat We'll get into my tips of combating imposter syndrome?
Speaker 1: How did you do that? In that moment?
Speaker 2: I think for like applying for the job, it was
Speaker 2: very much just like recognizing my achievements through my work
Speaker 2: experience as well as the fact that I'm doing a
Speaker 2: degree in marketing that I just had to sort of
Speaker 2: lean on the very logical things rather than actually worry
Speaker 2: about getting rid of the feeling because I don't think
Speaker 2: you can very easy or I haven't found a technique
Speaker 2: that works for me to be able to just get
Speaker 2: rid of that feeling straight away. But I, because I'm
Speaker 2: quite logical, will just lean on I have these transferable skills,
Speaker 2: I have this experience, I've done these things in the
Speaker 2: past that are slightly different, And yes, it's a different industry,
Speaker 2: but I can pivot and also just always having I
Speaker 2: guess that attitude in a work sense when it comes
Speaker 2: to imposter syndrome of I can do anything that I
Speaker 2: put my mind to, so it doesn't matter because I
Speaker 2: will work harder than maybe someone who I think is
Speaker 2: more qualified than me.
Speaker 1: I love that kind of thing, and that's honestly how
Speaker 1: I think about things too. Like I honestly felt like
Speaker 1: an imposter my whole law degree, because even though I
Speaker 1: got an op to get into law straight away, I
Speaker 1: just felt not smart enough because I wasn't your typical
Speaker 1: UNI student.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what I used to do is.
Speaker 1: As soon as we got an assignment, I would go
Speaker 1: to the library and get all the books on that topic.
Speaker 2: I was like, you've worried all the books, get them.
Speaker 4: The whole ofa No, I would return them, but I
Speaker 4: would start the assignment like as soon as we got it,
Speaker 4: so like it could be four weeks before it was due,
Speaker 4: which I like.
Speaker 1: And so like you're saying, I would just go, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in the work, yeah, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure I deserve my spot here. Even though I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that because I didn't feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: naturally smart or whatnot. So I'm like, it actually doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that I feel this way because I know I
Speaker 1: can put in the work and get to you know,
Speaker 1: where I want to be. Yeah, I think like something
Speaker 1: also I've realized, and I think it's it's honestly just
Speaker 1: about practice. And I think once you go through one
Speaker 1: impostera syndrome and then you get over it, and like
Speaker 1: you said, it's here, you often get to the point
Speaker 1: where you forget about it. What I really do is
Speaker 1: like think back to that time and go, well, if
Speaker 1: I did it, then I can do it now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And honestly, like so it was some tips to get
Speaker 1: over imposta syndrome. Obviously, if you you know, wanted to
Speaker 1: do if you wanted to start a business, how you
Speaker 1: can kind of get there is maybe you do a
Speaker 1: small business course that just gives you some foundations, some
Speaker 1: you know, some some kind of I guess quote unquote
Speaker 1: qualification to then do that thing that just kind of
Speaker 1: makes you feel more stability. I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's just like a bit more of a
Speaker 2: physical thing to prove your.
Speaker 1: Yes, to prove yes. And like, for instance, I think
Speaker 1: back when I had this really weird thing when I
Speaker 1: pivoted didn't do law. I actually did when I brought
Speaker 1: out my ebook. So I brought out this ebook and like,
Speaker 1: now looking back, that was such a small project to them,
Speaker 1: what I've now done with things. But to me, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is this huge thing
Speaker 1: and who am I to do this? And I was
Speaker 1: so in my head about it. And I actually hired
Speaker 1: a business coach and I, you know, I talk about
Speaker 1: this a lot in my manifesting course, where I hired
Speaker 1: a business coach and I was literally earning sixty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year and my business coach was like forty thousand.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: For six months, I would vomit. Yeah I did, like
Speaker 1: I felt. I felt six but sick. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like betting on myself and so that yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: like I spent forty thousand dollars on a coach, but
Speaker 1: I think it was something ridiculous, like I tenxt what
Speaker 1: I then spent on a business coach, because it's almost
Speaker 1: like I was betting on myself and I was showing myself, well,
Speaker 1: if I do that, of course I can accomplish and
Speaker 1: it'll come back. Yes, it's going to come back tenfold.
Speaker 1: And that's like you know, money mindset. That's a whole
Speaker 1: other episode. But basically I kind of joke to people
Speaker 1: all the time that I honestly paid that coach forty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for her to tell me I was good enough.
Speaker 1: Oh no, like I'm not joking, Like she was definitely helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like now look back, it's not like she taught
Speaker 1: me anything.
Speaker 2: Profound about Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was honestly more her instilling and each week
Speaker 1: me showing up to a call and her going of
Speaker 1: course you deserve a seat at the table.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: She was helping me be an authority within the space.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes it honestly takes paying someone money
Speaker 1: and them, you know, telling you or coaching you, or
Speaker 1: investing in a course. And like I also joke about
Speaker 1: this with my manifesting course of in my course, you know,
Speaker 1: even though with the marketing, I'm like, you know, achieve
Speaker 1: your dream life, which is your dream car, or buying
Speaker 1: a property like all these like lavish you know, physical
Speaker 1: luxury items. But honestly, the gist of the course is
Speaker 1: I make you feel worthy, which you then attract those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And that's that's something that my mum's always said,
Speaker 2: is that sometimes there will be a certain person that
Speaker 2: you need to learn a certain thing from and that
Speaker 2: might cost a bit of money, but no matter, Like
Speaker 2: you could have someone in your life telling you the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. Yes, but you're just not gonna hear it.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna register because that is not who you're
Speaker 2: supposed to learn that from.
Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. And that's why if you would
Speaker 1: have asked me, oh my god, so you wasted your
Speaker 1: money with this business coach, and I'm like, fuck no,
Speaker 1: look what I've now achieved. And it took you know,
Speaker 1: paying this person huge sum of money, but also her
Speaker 1: just telling me I was worthy enough, and I had
Speaker 1: to do that to get to this point. But the
Speaker 1: whole thing is, yeah, hearing the right things at the
Speaker 1: right time, and also I guess, feeling like worthy enough.
Speaker 1: So if you can do little things or maybe big
Speaker 1: things to help with the imposter syndrome and feel like
Speaker 1: you were worthy enough. So for example, you know, once
Speaker 1: I got my hair and makeup done for that photo shoot,
Speaker 1: the Pedal and Pop photo shoot, I was like, fuck course,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be. I'm not joking.
Speaker 2: Hair and makeup and like I ten just like fix
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: I was like, looked at me. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I look good today. But do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it can be something small, it can be something big,
Speaker 1: but find what it is that just makes you. So
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to an interview and like maybe you
Speaker 1: dress like, you know a bit like boss lady or
Speaker 1: you just you show up. This is it. So show
Speaker 1: up as the person that you want to be in
Speaker 1: the future, but show up as her now, Like that's
Speaker 1: the energy you want to be into. Combat imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretend you're already there.
Speaker 1: Almost like fake it until you make it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we're not actually faking it because you deserve to be there. Yes,
Speaker 1: And honestly, we could even go like if you guys
Speaker 1: listen to the Expandeds episode a couple episodes back, like
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you need to listen to us stories
Speaker 1: or immerse yourself and content where someone has achieved something
Speaker 1: being from where you are and it's like we all
Speaker 1: start somewhere. I guarantee you that person that you look
Speaker 1: up to has felt these feelings and been in a
Speaker 1: situation where they are the exact.
Speaker 2: Same as you exactly, and like when you hear those stories,
Speaker 2: it sounds like massive quantum leaps. And even though sometimes
Speaker 2: it is a massive quantum leap, sometimes it's a lot
Speaker 2: of hard work. Sometimes it's a mix of both. There
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily anything that qualifies you to do something in
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: Guys, we are so sorry. There's literally a plumber in
Speaker 1: the next room, and so we're just going to keep
Speaker 1: recording because I feel like we've got momentum here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I apologize for the little tap to the.
Speaker 2: Other thing that really helps me with imposter syndrome. And
Speaker 2: I have a bit of a name for it. I
Speaker 2: like coined, coined. I actually don't know if I've coined it,
Speaker 2: but it's mine. I'm taking it. Is like recognizing your
Speaker 2: mountain of value is what I'd like to call it,
Speaker 2: And it's your life experiences and the people around you
Speaker 2: and the things you learn and the thoughts you have
Speaker 2: create your own mountain and value, and everyone's is different.
Speaker 2: So you might want to, for example, release an ebook
Speaker 2: on manifesting, and Georgie, you've released an ebook on manifesting,
Speaker 2: But because both of you have different mountains of value.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to stop you from releasing an ebook on
Speaker 2: manifesting just because your mountain and value is different. It
Speaker 2: actually might make it make more sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I love to say here and
Speaker 1: one hundred percent you've coined this term and we're going
Speaker 1: to use it. I love it. Mountain of value. Well,
Speaker 1: that's even something. So before I release the Rise and
Speaker 1: Conker project, I you know, like there is there's a
Speaker 1: thousand manifesting courses, there's a thousand self development courses. But
Speaker 1: I was like, no one has because the way again
Speaker 1: that I like, you know, Mark and tell you about
Speaker 1: the project is every time I want something in my life,
Speaker 1: I apply this exact same formula that is like nothing
Speaker 1: I've seen in anything else. It's nothing that I've seen
Speaker 1: in anyone's other teachings because it's very not so much
Speaker 1: personal to me. But I just have been through so
Speaker 1: many you know, achievements and doing things that I've like
Speaker 1: kind of perfected this formula, and that's what I teach
Speaker 1: on the project and in the project, I very much say,
Speaker 1: you know, like this is how I do it. Here's
Speaker 1: some other ways how I do it, but always make
Speaker 1: it personal to you and what feels good to you,
Speaker 1: and I give you those sorts of tools. But that's
Speaker 1: so right, Like there's going to be like you can
Speaker 1: never reinvent the wheel exactly, all the wheels are taking,
Speaker 1: all the wheels are done, there's only four, so like
Speaker 1: you can never reinvent the wheel. But no one has
Speaker 1: your experiences, your life experiences, your qualifications, your personality, the
Speaker 1: way that you do things, So it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: someone's already done it, or it doesn't matter if if
Speaker 1: someone has done something a specific way, if you were
Speaker 1: feeling called or if you're feeling really led to do
Speaker 1: something and you feel imposter syndrome, it's like you're meant
Speaker 1: to do this.
Speaker 2: You're literally meant to do it, and because you're going
Speaker 2: to do it differently, that's why it'll work for you.
Speaker 1: And because you're going to do it differently, that's why
Speaker 1: it's going to work for you. Love Mic drop Yeah,
Speaker 1: end of the episode.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: I think also, you know, like a big part of
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome is this worthiness component components huge. So I
Speaker 1: think if you constantly are in imposta syndrome and you're
Speaker 1: constantly in this state of who am I to do this?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a posta and a fraud star.
Speaker 1: I think you need to work on your worthiness component.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I don't need to.
Speaker 1: Wasn't meaning you.
Speaker 2: And I think I think it's super common.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, we could go into
Speaker 1: worthiness in a whole episode. But like Ata says, like
Speaker 1: no one has your experiences, your life lessons, and so
Speaker 1: if you're constantly not feeling worthy, it's maybe you need
Speaker 1: to see a therapist. Maybe you need to unpack the trauma,
Speaker 1: the you know, the whys of why you feel like this,
Speaker 1: because it's just going to keep coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and especially if it's a very common thing
Speaker 2: or you find it seeping into a lot of different
Speaker 2: aspects of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think also if you can feel imposter syndrome,
Speaker 1: if you can feel that feeling and then change it
Speaker 1: and rewrite the story. Yeah, like I said, when I
Speaker 1: felt it the other day at the photo shoot with
Speaker 1: Pedal and Pup, I you know, put music on. I
Speaker 1: literally pep talk to myself, like I said, affirmations, I
Speaker 1: had to rewrite the story. So another big thing is
Speaker 1: instead of feeling imposter syndrome and being like, fuck, this
Speaker 1: is not good and seeing it as a negative. Can you
Speaker 1: swap that and go, I must be onto something good.
Speaker 1: I must be ready for my upgrade. I must be
Speaker 1: ready to go to the next level and choose to
Speaker 1: feel those feelings instead of being anxious excitement, Like, can
Speaker 1: you swap those feelings around and really lean into that?
Speaker 1: Because I think any sort of growth or evolution, you're
Speaker 1: just going to feel like that. Like that is so natural,
Speaker 1: because anytime you haven't done something, you feel like a fraud,
Speaker 1: you feel like you're not good enough, and then you
Speaker 1: do it and you're like, h wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes even when you've done it before and
Speaker 2: you're just doing it slightly differently black with your pedal
Speaker 2: and pop collection, you'll still get the feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I had to work through my limiting beliefs and
Speaker 1: you know, go through rewriting the story all over again,
Speaker 1: like it's never ending. But also how great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing that I thought would be interesting
Speaker 2: to touch on is how do we know the difference
Speaker 2: between imposter syndrome and when our intuition is telling us
Speaker 2: that you're actually not in the right place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great question. I think for me. Do you
Speaker 1: mean in regards to you feeling so anxious and nervous
Speaker 1: that this isn't the right choice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost with my engineering degree, I had to
Speaker 2: work through like, am I feeling out of place because
Speaker 2: I'm different because i Am not the typical person to
Speaker 2: do this and I'm not that smart guy who did
Speaker 2: suicide seek subject at school? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, every engineer looks the same once, be honest,
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 2: All named Dan.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so correct. I actually had a
Speaker 1: girlfriend in high school, Marianna who shout out to Marianna
Speaker 1: she won't listen to the podcast, who was an engineer,
Speaker 1: and she was just like sweet, really short, little Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, and she was such a badass. And are
Speaker 1: seeing her at UNI with all like these nerdy guys
Speaker 1: who were just frothing her because she was so fucking hot,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, so sidetracked though, Sorry, all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah sir, go back to just like this feeling
Speaker 2: of am I feeling out of place because it's imposter syndrome?
Speaker 2: Or am I feeling out of place because this is
Speaker 2: not my place?
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, so the difference here is you would have
Speaker 1: felt out of place, but I'm guessing not have been
Speaker 1: excited about engineering. Yeah, you answered your own question. So
Speaker 1: free instance, with a pedal put photo shoot, I felt
Speaker 1: out of place. I felt undeserving, but I was so
Speaker 1: excited about my collection. I had poured so much love
Speaker 1: and energy, and either way, I knew I was going
Speaker 1: to do it. It's just if I in that moment
Speaker 1: felt like confident or not. So it's like, you still
Speaker 1: need to be excited and nervous, but for the thing,
Speaker 1: it's not just a total negative feeling, if that makes sense. Yes, So,
Speaker 1: for instance, I would in that scenario go, Okay, if
Speaker 1: I had all the qualifications in the world, would I
Speaker 1: still go and do this thing and love it?
Speaker 2: I love that. The best question to ask if you.
Speaker 1: Were the smartest person in the world are tire, would
Speaker 1: you still go and be an engineer? Does that excite you?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you do not care about the water pressure
Speaker 2: in parts? Guys?
Speaker 1: Is that an engineer?
Speaker 2: That was the moment I knew it wasn't right for me.
Speaker 2: I was doing a prack and the guys got excited
Speaker 2: about the water pressure changing in pipes, and I was like, Wow.
Speaker 1: This isn't what have I done?
Speaker 2: That was literally the moment.
Speaker 1: And that was the moment love. Yeah, so I would
Speaker 1: say you still need to be ask yourself, if I
Speaker 1: had all the qualifications in the world, would I be
Speaker 1: excited to do this thing? I love that. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap it up here. In conclusion, we
Speaker 1: all feel impostera syndrome. It is so normal, especially because
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you listen to this podcast, you're
Speaker 1: a go getter. You're out there living your best life,
Speaker 1: and this is going to come up a lot. But
Speaker 1: if you want to continue to push boundaries, if you
Speaker 1: want to continue to grow and evolve and be your
Speaker 1: bad self, you've got to get comfortable with imposter syndrome
Speaker 1: because it's going to keep coming up. And it is
Speaker 1: totally normal. And it's up to you whether you, you know,
Speaker 1: swap the narrative and actually make this really exciting thing
Speaker 1: love And just know all the people you look up to,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they feel the exact same feelings. It's exciting.
Speaker 1: If you feel on poster syndrome, it's fucking exciting.
Speaker 2: It's a good thing.
Speaker 1: You're growing. Thanks, guys, thank you so much for listening
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