1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gem Nation. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: Every weeknight at six pm you get another dose of 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: us with gem Nation, and then we hand the baton 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: over to our stablemate, Christian O'Connell at seven o'clock. He's 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: got a new podcast called Stuff of Legends where he 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: interviews the likes of Richard E. Grant, Jamila Jamil and 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: even me. My podcast with Christian came out actually this week. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: Any excuse to talk to this man? Christian? 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Hello, guys, is lovely to talk to you. 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: You too. What did Amanda talk about? 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Do you know what? Well, the idea is just to 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: people know because they were like two billion podcasts and 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: the world doesn't need yet another podcast. But I love 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: when you chat to people and you get stories from 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: them and stories that they haven't really told before and so, 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: and this is why Amanda was a dream guest on 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: It Is. I asked people to tell me about the 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: three most treasured objects in their life. And when you 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: start to talk about what it is, it's not about 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: how much it's worth, but straight away it takes you 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: into these stories and it sort of reveals quite a 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: lot about somebody. And Amanda and I had such a deep, 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: moving chat, especially when you're talking about your son leaving. 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: An hour later after Amanda, after leaving the studio, I 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: had to pull over and have a little cry. 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: Well, your daughter was about to leave home. 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: And I just taken her to look at a university. 28 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: She left home this year, three months ago, which is 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: a big it's not a life moment. It felt like 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: a life quake. 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: It's extraordinary, isn't it. And one of the things that 32 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: you and I spoke about was how an image had 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: really helped me. And I don't want to cry again. 34 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: Now I've cried enough about all of this. 35 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: But no, let's do it again so you can see 36 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: Brendan will cry. 37 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mann of crist for both of us. 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: I cried the drop of barometric pressure so that I 39 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: was seeing a kinesiologist who said, put Jack in a boat, 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: and I said, and she said, put all the things 41 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: he needs for a wonderful life. And I started crying 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: and I said, you're going to make me push the 43 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: boat out, aren't you. And I've got and she said, 44 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: you know what, No, you can get in the boat. 45 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: You get in the back of the boat to his 46 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: light that guides him. And I thought, you know what 47 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: I can do? That, and then just recently Christian was going, 48 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: let's turn to the works of the Indigo Girls. I 49 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: heard a song called the Wood Song, and there's a 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: line in that that I think helps me with my 51 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: boat analogy. And they're building a boat. We fill the 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: whole with the heart, weighs it down and keeps it afloat. 53 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: But it says the wood is tired. But the wood 54 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: is tired, and the wood is old and will make 55 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: it fine if. 56 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: The weather holds. 57 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: But if the weather holds, will have missed the point, 58 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: because that's where I need to go. And I thought, 59 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: I can't make calm waters my children. 60 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: You're setting me off again. It was the hardest thing 61 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: to push that boat off in January with my Ruby, 62 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: my first daughter to leave home. And the thing, Amanda 63 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: about the boat thing is actually I've had so many 64 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: emails and people who've been through that, and they understood 65 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: you really sort of understood it for people about the 66 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: boat metaphor. Though my worry was that actually, when you 67 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: really look back about raising our kids, and it's more 68 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: portant we enjoy them rather than try and raise them. 69 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: But I actually wonder if we're ever really in the boat. 70 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: Actually all we're kind of at the sidelines. Even if 71 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we think we're in the boat, I'm not sure. Sometimes 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: if we're in the boat with them, I don't know. 73 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that image for months. It brought 74 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: you comfort, it has haunted me it. Yeah, And then 75 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: at Christmas, my if thought would be lovely to surprise 76 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: you with a painting. Right, I've never had a paint 77 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: before my life. Guess what it was a boat on 78 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: a still empty lake and an empty boat, and I 79 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: look at it every day, and it's your image this whole. 80 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: I get to see it every day when I wake up. 81 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: It's in my bedroom, of that empty boat. That reminds me. 82 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: It's like a little punch in the heart. 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Whereas for me, it actually helped me in the 84 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: thought that if the if the rhythm is rocky, and 85 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: you go in the hard places, that's life. And I 86 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: can't smooth the waters, even for myself. It's hard to 87 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: smooth the waters alone. 88 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: He imagined that you set them off on a Harley Davidson. 89 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I was thinking, and you're in a sidecar, pushed my door. 90 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: It off in a boat. 91 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: It was the fair start. 92 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: I knew I was going to get the Bill for 93 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: something and I cried, I so you've got Amanda, But 94 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: who else are you talking to in this series? 95 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: Well, last season we had we had some amazing guests 96 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: like Matthew McConaughey, Ricky Gervais, Hamish Blake, Celes Barbourn. This 97 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: year we've got Richardie Grant is a fantastic actor, Sean mccarliff, 98 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: Andy Lee, and Eric Banner. Great chat with Eric Banner 99 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: and what are. 100 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: Some of the quirkier things that people say pull their heartstrings? 101 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: That they say their objects. 102 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: The wonderful thing is as they start to talk about it, right, 103 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: it's that they're I get the feeling they're talking about 104 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: this thing for the first time in an interview. So 105 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: the amount of times I've done this and you can 106 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: tell they're like the words are stumbling out and they 107 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: didn't realize how much it meant to them. So many 108 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: times they've interviewed people like you and Mander that get 109 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: very emotional actually when they connect with what's the story 110 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: behind the object that Richardy Grant was talking about his 111 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: journals that he kept from the age of ten, and 112 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: I said, that's an amazing thing. You've kept a journal 113 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: from the age of ten. I know some girls from 114 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: they younger, to try and make sense of the crazy, 115 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: wild teenage years, keep journals, but I don't know many 116 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: guys have done that. He's kept it up to right now, 117 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: and he's in his seventies. But he said, get a 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: load of this story, right, he said, when he was ten, 119 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: he was in a late night car trip. His mum 120 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: was driving with his dad's best friend. He's in the 121 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: back seat with his brother and sister. Suddenly is a 122 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: word that the car has pulled over right, and then 123 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, his mum is in the 124 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: front seat making out with his dad's best mate. And 125 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't mean pashing, I mean wheah. He closes his 126 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: eyes because he can't believe what he's seen, right, it's 127 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: so horrific, and pretends to be asleep when he gets 128 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: home that night. To make sense of what he saw 129 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: his mum making out with his dad's best mate, he 130 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: started to write it down, and that's how he started 131 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: to write a journal every day. So that I like, 132 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: is those stories like that. It's not about the journal, 133 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: It's about a kid trying to make sense of something 134 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable that you shouldn't see in your mum doing with 135 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: your dad's best mate. 136 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: No, wow yeah, wow, yeah yeah, because my kids would 137 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: be the biggest blabbermount. 138 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: In the world. A Dutch put it away. That's the 139 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: olimate cold spoon. 140 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: When your kid pipes in and. 141 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Cold spoon feels like you're safe work. 142 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: It's everyone safe. I heard that you have ever had 143 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: a miseecto me. You'll know, Christian. It's always great to George. 144 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: You can catch Christian O'Connell's Stuff of Legends podcast. It's 145 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app. Christian O'Connell, thank you. 146 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Guys, have a lovely weekend. I'm 147 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: off to go and burn a boat.